It's been awhile, but it's now time to move on and end stake redemption. 2/26 will be the deadline for stake redemption. BTT redemption will continue later in the 2 month extended redemption period. Nxt AE redemption will end forever on 2/26; your nemstake assets will be worthless after that, so please redeem!!! A new eco nemy starts with you redeeming your stake  Great news, launch is near  LOL, another deadline it was there twice time The developers have never committed to launch deadlines so it will come when it is ready and tested. Um, I beg to differ, December was the official launch time as stated by the lead developer. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg9606979#msg9606979Regardless of your misinformation, I am excited to see NEM on its way. |
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It's been awhile, but it's now time to move on and end stake redemption. 2/26 will be the deadline for stake redemption. BTT redemption will continue later in the 2 month extended redemption period. Nxt AE redemption will end forever on 2/26; your nemstake assets will be worthless after that, so please redeem!!! A new eco nemy starts with you redeeming your stake Is this official? Looks that way to me... |
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no offense, but god in heaven, please no! exactly my reaction. Also agree. Lets not start with this now. But what about the cube?  Just kidding. I see the deadline for redemption as being a ***great*** sign. Thank you xtester for your professionalism. Can't wait to see what this brings. |
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2 mins to create and send a nem multisig tx(one block to create and one to confirm) vrs 10mins for bitcoin(0 blocks to create 1 block to confirm. Based on absolute min amount of blocks and thus time, nem is 5 Times faster(assuming all signers sign in the same block as the tx was initiated)
Assuming NEM actually exists someday. By the time NEM exists banking will be done with lasers implanted in your eyeballs on Mars. Mars is almost italian for March, which is when we are expecting NEM to launch! ! I so funny! |
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What was the big deal about multisig anyway?
Im not sure why the devs wanted to add this before launch, I would have been happy to wait for it to be added later but it is a good feature, but i should also mention that there are other coins currently already using it.
1) devs will be in control of a huge amount of coins and do not want to risk holding them in regular accounts.. 1 hack = devs lose credibility and nem dies. 2) other coins do have multisig, but not blockchain based multisig. there is a MASSIVE difference. 3) the more skeptical investors, or risk averse, will feel much safer investing in Nem knowing they can secure their investment safely with multisig. 4) 3rd parties(exchanges, payment processors et al) will be able to use multisig to secure funds so we wont have any mtgox, bter, bitstamp [and so] type hacks which make the coin stolen look bad even though its nothing to do with the actual coin(most of the time). also we wont ever end up in the position of nxt having to think about a roll back to recover 5% worth of coins that got stolen. having multisig ready for launch was the BEST move the devs could have made. Very Professional post. Can't wait for March. |
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I think that NEMs huge problem is that it wasn't launched in November before the current BTC slaughter and all ongoing ALT slaughter. I know, you might tell how NEM wasn't ready, multisig wasn't ready etc.. and I agree with this, but I think huge opportunity has been passed. Crypto is in a big slump and it will take time for it to get out of this slump. Problem with NEM is that will be launched in the midst of the crypto storm crisis.
It couldn't be launched in Nov as it wasn't ready in Nov. We still don't know when it will launch. Could be another six months of bug fixing. They said March. Who is "they"? No actual dev said March There is a list of "Marketers" on the OP and three of them have said March. "Rocketear, Kotycoon, and Pastmstewr, the only launch date I saw listed was by xTester when it was an "Official" launch date of December 2014. to clarify, the March date was just a rough estimate of when launch might be. None of us 3 actually knows with any certainty when launch will be. The only reason March look like a good date is cos a dev previously said a few(as in 3) weeks after multisig release. So being conservative you can add a few weeks on top of the originally mentioned few week which ends up being around 1st to 2nd or 3rd week in March. Based on the knowledge we have, that is the vest estimate we can give. March is not an "official launch date". It is an estimate based on prior information and on the assumption no major bugs are found. Still have my hopes up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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I think that NEMs huge problem is that it wasn't launched in November before the current BTC slaughter and all ongoing ALT slaughter. I know, you might tell how NEM wasn't ready, multisig wasn't ready etc.. and I agree with this, but I think huge opportunity has been passed. Crypto is in a big slump and it will take time for it to get out of this slump. Problem with NEM is that will be launched in the midst of the crypto storm crisis.
It couldn't be launched in Nov as it wasn't ready in Nov. We still don't know when it will launch. Could be another six months of bug fixing. They said March. Who is "they"? No actual dev said March There is a list of "Marketers" on the OP and three of them have said March. "Rocketear, Kotycoon, and Pastmstewr, the only launch date I saw listed was by xTester when it was an "Official" launch date of December 2014. |
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I think that NEMs huge problem is that it wasn't launched in November before the current BTC slaughter and all ongoing ALT slaughter. I know, you might tell how NEM wasn't ready, multisig wasn't ready etc.. and I agree with this, but I think huge opportunity has been passed. Crypto is in a big slump and it will take time for it to get out of this slump. Problem with NEM is that will be launched in the midst of the crypto storm crisis.
It couldn't be launched in Nov as it wasn't ready in Nov. We still don't know when it will launch. Could be another six months of bug fixing. They said March. |
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dandruff1138, some interesting thoughts you have there. On the one hand it seems like you have it all figured out, on the other, the picture looks quite unlike the real one. To be honest I can appreciate your concerns but please bare in mind that there are some critical things you have to understand about what's being done here. NEM is an organic project, an experiment of sorts in which we test the validity of the decentralization idea and the bottom-up hypothesis while at the same time attempting to build something novel and innovative. The group of people working and contributing to NEM have come to do so through a self-selecting mechanism which ensures that the highest contributors gradually receive a more important position which enables them to contribute even more. Unfortunately there was not enough time for our mechanism to optimize for professionalism, instead it optimized for two of the most important things NEM needs: 1)people who get things done and 2)people we can count on. This is where Pat, Kod, myself and a lot of others come in. However, since this mechanism works through trial and error it is inevitable that you'll be able to find mistakes if that's what you're looking for, but trust me, along with the dev team these guys have put an immense amount of work in this project. This is why they're here, and not surprisingly, to some extent this is why NEM keeps moving forward. Having said that, we do understand there's a part for professionalism and constantly strive for improvement and appreciate thoughtful feedback. In any case, there is a lot of room for people who really want to help and can do things. This is NEM, remember? This is the economy where you can help solve the problems. It all depends on you... and everybody else here.  xTester you never fail to disappoint, |
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Kodtycoon has been a huge contributor but we have seen multiple examples of mistake "posts" where apologies were warrented in other threads/forums Multiple times? Only once ever have I had to apologies for a post and I did so profusely the second I realised I was in the wrong. Please don't blow this out of proportion because you are frustrated. In relation to your last edit, it was realistic, but then the claim rate of stakes was so pour that launch had to be held off until multisig was ready, not to mention that testing wasn't happening at a satisfactory level by the community so the community is just as much to blame for delays as others. I provided examples that were requested. I disagree with your blame on the community but that is where we will have to agree to disagree. My question is can you as a representative of NEM say you are more confident in a March launch date then the official December date? Well then I was a bad example.. You cant use the fact that I made one post which I apologized for as an example of continued "unprofessionalism". I wouldnt consider myself a "representative" of nem to be honest but for the sake of argument I am more confident. But how confident I am about launch is absolutely no representation of when nem will actually launch . When it comes to when we are going to launch I know just about as much as everyone else thats asking. Thank you for your response. Some humility in the future will certainly pay off in the professionalism aspect. You are part of the NEM team according to the OP. As a representative of any movement/company I would expect you to be professional at all times. I have witnessed you in other threads insulting other coins/threads and even discussing your bowel movements and such. All while having a NEM signature and being listed on the OP as n official member of this movement. You would not get away with this in a legitimate business and you should be more considerate of the Movement you represent. That was my only point. Glad to hear that this March date is the real deal. I am very excited... again. Thank you for your reply. |
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Kodtycoon has been a huge contributor but we have seen multiple examples of mistake "posts" where apologies were warrented in other threads/forums Multiple times? Only once ever have I had to apologies for a post and I did so profusely the second I realised I was in the wrong. Please don't blow this out of proportion because you are frustrated. In relation to your last edit, it was realistic, but then the claim rate of stakes was so pour that launch had to be held off until multisig was ready, not to mention that testing wasn't happening at a satisfactory level by the community so the community is just as much to blame for delays as others. I provided examples that were requested. I disagree with your blame on the community but that is where we will have to agree to disagree. My question is can you as a representative of NEM say you are more confident in a March launch date then the official December date? I just spent like 30 minutes typing out as detailed of responses as I could give to you about all the questions you had. At this point I don't think there is much more I can add but you still do not seem satisfied in the answers you have received. As for professionalism, I really hope I am being as friendly and polite as possible. If you have felt negatively about anything I have said, I apologize. I can only answer your questions to the best of my ability. Thank you for your response. |
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Kodtycoon has been a huge contributor but we have seen multiple examples of mistake "posts" where apologies were warrented in other threads/forums Multiple times? Only once ever have I had to apologies for a post and I did so profusely the second I realised I was in the wrong. Please don't blow this out of proportion because you are frustrated. In relation to your last edit, it was realistic, but then the claim rate of stakes was so pour that launch had to be held off until multisig was ready, not to mention that testing wasn't happening at a satisfactory level by the community so the community is just as much to blame for delays as others. I provided examples that were requested. I disagree with your blame on the community but that is where we will have to agree to disagree. My question is can you as a representative of NEM say you are more confident in a March launch date then the official December date? |
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Is March a realistic launch date?
Will we see a more professional culture from those involved with NEM in the future?
Those are my current questions.
Only realistic dates are being given as estimates. So yes, march is realisitc. What that has been done so far do you consider unprofessional ? Well you even admitted yourself as being unprofessional and "shitty" on the NEM Forum, where all the "serious" discussion takes place. You also then claimed to not be a formal member of the team, but you are listed as a "Marketer/helper" on the OP, like it or not you are a representative of NEM, and some of the replies I have seen from you on forums if you were representing a business, you more than likely would no longer be employed by that business. And let us not forget the biggest NEM unprofessional black eye of them all, UtopianFuture, but we have set a stage where we are trying to move beyond that, so in fact I should not be putting that into the equation admittedly, but you did request examples. Kotycoon has been a huge contributor but we have seen multiple examples of mistake "posts" where apologies were warrented in other threads/forums. And we have seen very Sullen responses at times from team members to questions. Trolls or TrollFudders should be responded to professionally or outright ignored. Xtester has been the poster child for professionalism, and I would like a statement of intent from the representatives in this coin that they intend to conduct themselves more professionally in the future, as an investor that would give me much more confidence in this project. Edit* "Only realistic dates are being given as estimates. So yes, march is realisitc. " December was once official and realistic launch date. What makes this date more realistic? |
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We all virtually lost money with those neverending delays. Except those smart enough not to redeem. Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing I am going to tag on to your comment, but I will refrain from name calling. I do believe there is a good possibility that those of us that have claimed our stakes have pushed the market supply down and prices up for those still trading their stake. Anyone who says that is unlikely I would like to hear why. I do believe the delayed launch has hurt NEM. How much I do not think anyone can really gauge that. I do believe the "Developers" are working hard but I have seen an attitude shift in their posts as well. They are almost making fun of themselves at this point, so I think even they are frustrated with the delays and it is starting to wear on everyone, developers, investors, and believers. I myself find myself checking this thread less and less. I am sure many have lost interest at this point. But is there any real way to measure the damage without anecdotal evidence? I don;t believe so. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. The few times I or others have posted concerns about the never ending delays it is reiterated that everyone is going to see this through. I get excited and cheer on NEM once again, but I am starting to have serious concerns as a community member, as I am sure others are getting concerned as well. But I have claimed my stake and have no option but to ride it out until/if NEM launches and see if the roulette wheel lands on Black or Red, or if the ball ever gets rolling to begin with. But I will admit the constant trolling and unnecessary posts are beginning to wear on us all, and I see lots of disdain and even some broken hearts. Developers and community members I appreciate everything you have put into this "movement," but I would do everything I would to avoid a further delay, even if it means some sleepless nights, as I feel it is in everyone's best interest to see this milestone actually happen.Are you somehow under the impression that this isn't already happening ? My only point was pretty soon the investors and community is going to start getting concerned. You have to understand peoples concerns at this point are not unfounded. Like I said I believe in this project and have invested in it, and this coins has had more twists and turns than others I have been involved in and it isn't even live yet... but concerns anyone is having at this point and wavering confidence is to be expected at this point. What concerns could you possibly have? It's not vaporware. The beta is live and running right now and you can use it for yourself. The only difference between now and launch is that you can't dump all your XEM yet. It is very clear many people have concerns, it started with a founding figurehead showing that his ethics and morals of the New Economy Movement was not incapable of committing the sins it was against. Then once a community was won back by a new team, multiple delays and a short window of claim was open for a "unknown period of time" for a November release... pressuring stake claims while continuously extending that window of time for claims. The delaying again with a tight lip on a launch date to not continue the carrot on a stick ride we had already been on for a length of time... Which also just so happened tied up peoples investment so even if those that have lost confidence at this point wanted out, they could not exit. Meanwhile supply has been limited due to claimed stakes and thus pressuring the market that is till unclaimed, which in my opinion is a false market due to that fact. It is possible some people are taking advantage of that "market environment." Here we are and discussing March, 4-5 months beyond that point and it still is not a hard set in stone deadline for launch, while many who have been excited about this movement are starting to grow weary. If you don;t believe many people are, I beg to differ. You state this is not the place for serious discussion about NEM and I am wasting valuable time, then complain about the trolls and non-serious discussion. Not everyone here is capable of BETA testing. Blaming those of us that are incapable of getting involved in the BETA period is very totalitarian, and also goes against the New Economy Movements idealistic values. "You are either a part of NEM or you aren't." So you mean you want your investors to blindly follow every move without any skepticism or critical thinking? is that the community you want? A bunch of sheep? If people are attacked when voicing their concerns then maybe this movement doesn't contain the attributes and ethics it was founded on then. I would think that would be a serious concern in itself. The communities/members concerns should be responded to with compassion and professionalism. What more do you want? The devs and countless prominent members of the community have stated at least 100 times that they are doing everything they can to prepare for launch and that there have been issues holding it up. Initially, launch was going to happen without multisig. But, considering there were a large number of unclaimed stakes and other XEM that is going to have to be held in an account somewhere, multisig then became something that the devs and the overall community decided was necessary before launch could happen. So, development of multisig began. This, in turn, takes time to complete. Multisig ran into some issues, all of which have been highlighted here on these forums with absolute transparency. Now we have finally gotten to a state where beta testing of multisig can begin. So again, what do you want? Do you want NEM to launch with potentially buggy multisig that could possibly result in a catastrophe related to the large amount of XEM that has to be held by the developers? What if there is a critical error in multisig that causes all these XEM to disappear? We absolutely *have* to test multisig thoroughly before launch can happen. This is just reality. If you cannot wait then I don't know what to tell you. Things don't just happen magically because you wish them to. Do you not think the devs would launch right away if it was in any way possible? It's just simply not feasible to launch right now, and that's all there is to it. What I mean by "you are either a part of NEM or you aren't" is that if you are not able to see and accept these obvious facts that are right in front of you, then you obviously have no desire to even be a part of NEM in the first place and just want to dump your stake for BTC or some other alt. That's completely fine of course; it's a free market and you can do whatever you like. But that is literally the only possible reason you could have for wanting to rush launch right now. As an *actual* investor in NEM and part of the community, I in no way want them to launch right now before proper beta testing of multisig. It would open so many potential disasters that I don't know how anyone could advocate for it. This is not some game or random, meaningless software we are talking about here. We are talking about something that involves REAL money and REAL value... REAL money that could disappear in an instant if anything goes wrong. None of us want people's money to disappear in a poof of smoke, and that's why we have to test things first. Once this thing goes live, there is no turning back. What's done is done, and that involves potentially hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of fiat value. This is not something to take lightly. Furthermore, I did not mean that everyone MUST participate in the beta testing. It's just that if you can't or don't want to, then you cannot (with good conscience) sit back and say things like LAUNCH RIGHT NOW because you have no understanding of the implications of doing so. You are very much entitled to your opinion, but when someone like myself comes back with a list of reasons why launch cannot happen right now and that it is a silly, time-wasting argument to make then that's when you need to reflect objectively on why you think that way, or give me and the devs some very good reasons why launch needs to happen this very instant. (Launching for the sole reason that you want to trade XEM is not a good reason, by the way.) "sit back and say things like LAUNCH RIGHT NOW because you have no understanding of the implications of doing so. You are very much entitled to your opinion" You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything of the sort. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about many of the other people here who are advocating for an immediate launch. But anyway, I understand that confidence is waning. It's just that, as I explained, there is literally nothing that can be done about it at this point. All I am trying to say is that if you try out the beta, I don't see why anyone should lose confidence in this project. I mean, you don't even have to try it out for yourself... just look at any of the screenshots of the client in action and you can see that everything is there and working and all that is left is a final bit of testing. I can totally understand losing confidence if the devs were disappearing and not talking and there were no discernible updates being made to the codebase. But that's just not what is happening right now. So please, just try and look at this objectively and understand why there have been delays. Could things have been handled better with the claiming of stakes and such? Of course! But things happened. Nothing can be done about it now, but that does not undermine NEM in any way. The only thing that has hindered is people's ability to trade, which honestly there was no guarantee of in the first place. I really don't mean for this to seem negative or condescending in any way. I really don't. I am just trying to explain how and why NEM is where it is right now and why everyone should still feel confident in NEM as a whole. I know many of you trade and I know it sucks that you can't trade right now, but I can assure you that it was not some intentional plot to prevent you all from trading during this extended delay period. It just happened to turn out this way. Launch is on the horizon, and then you can trade to your heart's content. But anyway, again... I don't mean to convey any animosity in these posts. I am all about trying to promote a friendly community here. I want to try and answer questions as a fellow member of this movement and as a friend. The Internet can be such a nasty place. When everyone is anonymous, people forget how to have feelings and compassion for each other and it's one of the things I want to try and alleviate at least in this community. I'm not a core dev, or even anyone that important in NEM at all, but I'll try to answer any other questions you might have as best I can. Is March a realistic launch date? Will we see a more professional culture from those involved with NEM in the future? Those are my current questions. |
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We all virtually lost money with those neverending delays. Except those smart enough not to redeem. Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing I am going to tag on to your comment, but I will refrain from name calling. I do believe there is a good possibility that those of us that have claimed our stakes have pushed the market supply down and prices up for those still trading their stake. Anyone who says that is unlikely I would like to hear why. I do believe the delayed launch has hurt NEM. How much I do not think anyone can really gauge that. I do believe the "Developers" are working hard but I have seen an attitude shift in their posts as well. They are almost making fun of themselves at this point, so I think even they are frustrated with the delays and it is starting to wear on everyone, developers, investors, and believers. I myself find myself checking this thread less and less. I am sure many have lost interest at this point. But is there any real way to measure the damage without anecdotal evidence? I don;t believe so. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. The few times I or others have posted concerns about the never ending delays it is reiterated that everyone is going to see this through. I get excited and cheer on NEM once again, but I am starting to have serious concerns as a community member, as I am sure others are getting concerned as well. But I have claimed my stake and have no option but to ride it out until/if NEM launches and see if the roulette wheel lands on Black or Red, or if the ball ever gets rolling to begin with. But I will admit the constant trolling and unnecessary posts are beginning to wear on us all, and I see lots of disdain and even some broken hearts. Developers and community members I appreciate everything you have put into this "movement," but I would do everything I would to avoid a further delay, even if it means some sleepless nights, as I feel it is in everyone's best interest to see this milestone actually happen.Are you somehow under the impression that this isn't already happening ? My only point was pretty soon the investors and community is going to start getting concerned. You have to understand peoples concerns at this point are not unfounded. Like I said I believe in this project and have invested in it, and this coins has had more twists and turns than others I have been involved in and it isn't even live yet... but concerns anyone is having at this point and wavering confidence is to be expected at this point. What concerns could you possibly have? It's not vaporware. The beta is live and running right now and you can use it for yourself. The only difference between now and launch is that you can't dump all your XEM yet. It is very clear many people have concerns, it started with a founding figurehead showing that his ethics and morals of the New Economy Movement was not incapable of committing the sins it was against. Then once a community was won back by a new team, multiple delays and a short window of claim was open for a "unknown period of time" for a November release... pressuring stake claims while continuously extending that window of time for claims. The delaying again with a tight lip on a launch date to not continue the carrot on a stick ride we had already been on for a length of time... Which also just so happened tied up peoples investment so even if those that have lost confidence at this point wanted out, they could not exit. Meanwhile supply has been limited due to claimed stakes and thus pressuring the market that is till unclaimed, which in my opinion is a false market due to that fact. It is possible some people are taking advantage of that "market environment." Here we are and discussing March, 4-5 months beyond that point and it still is not a hard set in stone deadline for launch, while many who have been excited about this movement are starting to grow weary. If you don;t believe many people are, I beg to differ. You state this is not the place for serious discussion about NEM and I am wasting valuable time, then complain about the trolls and non-serious discussion. Not everyone here is capable of BETA testing. Blaming those of us that are incapable of getting involved in the BETA period is very totalitarian, and also goes against the New Economy Movements idealistic values. "You are either a part of NEM or you aren't." So you mean you want your investors to blindly follow every move without any skepticism or critical thinking? is that the community you want? A bunch of sheep? If people are attacked when voicing their concerns then maybe this movement doesn't contain the attributes and ethics it was founded on then. I would think that would be a serious concern in itself. The communities/members concerns should be responded to with compassion and professionalism. What more do you want? The devs and countless prominent members of the community have stated at least 100 times that they are doing everything they can to prepare for launch and that there have been issues holding it up. Initially, launch was going to happen without multisig. But, considering there were a large number of unclaimed stakes and other XEM that is going to have to be held in an account somewhere, multisig then became something that the devs and the overall community decided was necessary before launch could happen. So, development of multisig began. This, in turn, takes time to complete. Multisig ran into some issues, all of which have been highlighted here on these forums with absolute transparency. Now we have finally gotten to a state where beta testing of multisig can begin. So again, what do you want? Do you want NEM to launch with potentially buggy multisig that could possibly result in a catastrophe related to the large amount of XEM that has to be held by the developers? What if there is a critical error in multisig that causes all these XEM to disappear? We absolutely *have* to test multisig thoroughly before launch can happen. This is just reality. If you cannot wait then I don't know what to tell you. Things don't just happen magically because you wish them to. Do you not think the devs would launch right away if it was in any way possible? It's just simply not feasible to launch right now, and that's all there is to it. What I mean by "you are either a part of NEM or you aren't" is that if you are not able to see and accept these obvious facts that are right in front of you, then you obviously have no desire to even be a part of NEM in the first place and just want to dump your stake for BTC or some other alt. That's completely fine of course; it's a free market and you can do whatever you like. But that is literally the only possible reason you could have for wanting to rush launch right now. As an *actual* investor in NEM and part of the community, I in no way want them to launch right now before proper beta testing of multisig. It would open so many potential disasters that I don't know how anyone could advocate for it. This is not some game or random, meaningless software we are talking about here. We are talking about something that involves REAL money and REAL value... REAL money that could disappear in an instant if anything goes wrong. None of us want people's money to disappear in a poof of smoke, and that's why we have to test things first. Once this thing goes live, there is no turning back. What's done is done, and that involves potentially hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of fiat value. This is not something to take lightly. Furthermore, I did not mean that everyone MUST participate in the beta testing. It's just that if you can't or don't want to, then you cannot (with good conscience) sit back and say things like LAUNCH RIGHT NOW because you have no understanding of the implications of doing so. You are very much entitled to your opinion, but when someone like myself comes back with a list of reasons why launch cannot happen right now and that it is a silly, time-wasting argument to make then that's when you need to reflect objectively on why you think that way, or give me and the devs some very good reasons why launch needs to happen this very instant. (Launching for the sole reason that you want to trade XEM is not a good reason, by the way.) "sit back and say things like LAUNCH RIGHT NOW because you have no understanding of the implications of doing so. You are very much entitled to your opinion" You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything of the sort. All I want is a REALISTIC timeline. As the last 4 or so time/target dates apparently were not. March was discussed here. Peoples stakes are literally being held hostage until launch. Give us a realistic timeline and mean it and commit. That is all we are asking for. The last few target dates were not met. So I would hope at this point the knowledge gained from this would be enough to set a realistic timeline. So is March the current Target Date developers? Yes or No? If so what timeline are we looking at? Indefinitely? |
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We all virtually lost money with those neverending delays. Except those smart enough not to redeem. Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing I am going to tag on to your comment, but I will refrain from name calling. I do believe there is a good possibility that those of us that have claimed our stakes have pushed the market supply down and prices up for those still trading their stake. Anyone who says that is unlikely I would like to hear why. I do believe the delayed launch has hurt NEM. How much I do not think anyone can really gauge that. I do believe the "Developers" are working hard but I have seen an attitude shift in their posts as well. They are almost making fun of themselves at this point, so I think even they are frustrated with the delays and it is starting to wear on everyone, developers, investors, and believers. I myself find myself checking this thread less and less. I am sure many have lost interest at this point. But is there any real way to measure the damage without anecdotal evidence? I don;t believe so. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. The few times I or others have posted concerns about the never ending delays it is reiterated that everyone is going to see this through. I get excited and cheer on NEM once again, but I am starting to have serious concerns as a community member, as I am sure others are getting concerned as well. But I have claimed my stake and have no option but to ride it out until/if NEM launches and see if the roulette wheel lands on Black or Red, or if the ball ever gets rolling to begin with. But I will admit the constant trolling and unnecessary posts are beginning to wear on us all, and I see lots of disdain and even some broken hearts. Developers and community members I appreciate everything you have put into this "movement," but I would do everything I would to avoid a further delay, even if it means some sleepless nights, as I feel it is in everyone's best interest to see this milestone actually happen.Are you somehow under the impression that this isn't already happening ? My only point was pretty soon the investors and community is going to start getting concerned. You have to understand peoples concerns at this point are not unfounded. Like I said I believe in this project and have invested in it, and this coins has had more twists and turns than others I have been involved in and it isn't even live yet... but concerns anyone is having at this point and wavering confidence is to be expected at this point. What concerns could you possibly have? It's not vaporware. The beta is live and running right now and you can use it for yourself. The only difference between now and launch is that you can't dump all your XEM yet. It is very clear many people have concerns, it started with a founding figurehead showing that his ethics and morals of the New Economy Movement was not incapable of committing the sins it was against. Then once a community was won back by a new team, multiple delays and a short window of claim was open for a "unknown period of time" for a November release... pressuring stake claims while continuously extending that window of time for claims. The delaying again with a tight lip on a launch date to not continue the carrot on a stick ride we had already been on for a length of time... Which also just so happened tied up peoples investment so even if those that have lost confidence at this point wanted out, they could not exit. Meanwhile supply has been limited due to claimed stakes and thus pressuring the market that is till unclaimed, which in my opinion is a false market due to that fact. It is possible some people are taking advantage of that "market environment." Here we are and discussing March, 4-5 months beyond that point and it still is not a hard set in stone deadline for launch, while many who have been excited about this movement are starting to grow weary. If you don;t believe many people are, I beg to differ. You state this is not the place for serious discussion about NEM and I am wasting valuable time, then complain about the trolls and non-serious discussion. Not everyone here is capable of BETA testing. Blaming those of us that are incapable of getting involved in the BETA period is very totalitarian, and also goes against the New Economy Movements idealistic values. "You are either a part of NEM or you aren't." So you mean you want your investors to blindly follow every move without any skepticism or critical thinking? is that the community you want? A bunch of sheep? If people are attacked when voicing their concerns then maybe this movement doesn't contain the attributes and ethics it was founded on then. I would think that would be a serious concern in itself. The communities/members concerns should be responded to with compassion and professionalism. |
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We all virtually lost money with those neverending delays. Except those smart enough not to redeem. Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing I am going to tag on to your comment, but I will refrain from name calling. I do believe there is a good possibility that those of us that have claimed our stakes have pushed the market supply down and prices up for those still trading their stake. Anyone who says that is unlikely I would like to hear why. I do believe the delayed launch has hurt NEM. How much I do not think anyone can really gauge that. I do believe the "Developers" are working hard but I have seen an attitude shift in their posts as well. They are almost making fun of themselves at this point, so I think even they are frustrated with the delays and it is starting to wear on everyone, developers, investors, and believers. I myself find myself checking this thread less and less. I am sure many have lost interest at this point. But is there any real way to measure the damage without anecdotal evidence? I don;t believe so. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. The few times I or others have posted concerns about the never ending delays it is reiterated that everyone is going to see this through. I get excited and cheer on NEM once again, but I am starting to have serious concerns as a community member, as I am sure others are getting concerned as well. But I have claimed my stake and have no option but to ride it out until/if NEM launches and see if the roulette wheel lands on Black or Red, or if the ball ever gets rolling to begin with. But I will admit the constant trolling and unnecessary posts are beginning to wear on us all, and I see lots of disdain and even some broken hearts. Developers and community members I appreciate everything you have put into this "movement," but I would do everything I would to avoid a further delay, even if it means some sleepless nights, as I feel it is in everyone's best interest to see this milestone actually happen.Are you somehow under the impression that this isn't already happening ? My only point was pretty soon the investors and community is going to start getting concerned. You have to understand peoples concerns at this point are not unfounded. Like I said I believe in this project and have invested in it, and this coins has had more twists and turns than others I have been involved in and it isn't even live yet... but concerns anyone is having at this point and wavering confidence is to be expected at this point. |
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We all virtually lost money with those neverending delays. Except those smart enough not to redeem. Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing I am going to tag on to your comment, but I will refrain from name calling. I do believe there is a good possibility that those of us that have claimed our stakes have pushed the market supply down and prices up for those still trading their stake. Anyone who says that is unlikely I would like to hear why. I do believe the delayed launch has hurt NEM. How much I do not think anyone can really gauge that. I do believe the "Developers" are working hard but I have seen an attitude shift in their posts as well. They are almost making fun of themselves at this point, so I think even they are frustrated with the delays and it is starting to wear on everyone, developers, investors, and believers. I myself find myself checking this thread less and less. I am sure many have lost interest at this point. But is there any real way to measure the damage without anecdotal evidence? I don;t believe so. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. The few times I or others have posted concerns about the never ending delays it is reiterated that everyone is going to see this through. I get excited and cheer on NEM once again, but I am starting to have serious concerns as a community member, as I am sure others are getting concerned as well. But I have claimed my stake and have no option but to ride it out until/if NEM launches and see if the roulette wheel lands on Black or Red, or if the ball ever gets rolling to begin with. But I will admit the constant trolling and unnecessary posts are beginning to wear on us all, and I see lots of disdain and even some broken hearts. Developers and community members I appreciate everything you have put into this "movement," but I would do everything I would to avoid a further delay, even if it means some sleepless nights, as I feel it is in everyone's best interest to see this milestone actually happen. |
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Ah so we are bring back old stuff eh? Well in that case; I think we should change the logo back to the cube.  |
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Probably best to just wait a few weeks and buy NEM on an exchange  So should I go ahead and update my blockchain with my NEM client? I haven't done so in like a month haha... |
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