I'm really wondering now what's the reason he opened that thread ? I mean the site is done and bitcointalk doesn't trust him anyways so what's the point ? currently I really don't understand the situation at all cause I never expected him to show up here , does this thing have anything to do with legal stuffs or is there actually a chance that he is willing to pay these lost funds ? totally agree with you about the newbie accounts tho it's totally shady and most likely fake as well , but what's the point of these positives vouches  I suspect the point is that Dean wants a place to try link to and make people think there's a slight chance he's working on paying back people. It's a nice strategy to try stall people from taking (legal) action against him. He's even gone as far as to extort people saying that any talking bad of him, or taking any legal recourse against will result in them being not paid back. I think the play here is just that if you can stall people, after a few months they're far less angry about it and far less likely to actually do something. It's actually pretty much common of scammers to try placate their victims after the fact. I'd say it easily happens 90%+ of the time. I remember when dice.ninja went dark they deleted absolutely all their accounts everywhere and everything, but still left signed-messages from their cold-storage address promising that people would get paid back (which of course never happened). I think he checks enough boxes to be considered a Narcissistic Sociopath. Had me fooled for years. |
|
|
|
....
In Trumps defense, there's no evidence of him explicitly saying he was doing it because of the election.
Also, after he found out he was being investigated by congress he did explicitly say 'I want nothing, no quid quo pro' to the EU ambassador and then released the funds.
In my opinion it's painfully obvious that his primary motivation was to make his political opponent look bad. ....
Earlier you said ... There is tons of evidence that suggests the main reason he withheld the funds and WH meeting was to gain a political advantage in the next election. For example, why would he make a public statement from Ukraine about opening the investigation a requirement before giving Ukraine a meeting in the White House?.... I replied ... "Evidence that suggests" is not evidence.
You are trying to make inferences as to motive.Now you are saying In my opinion it's painfully obvious that his primary motivation was to make his political opponent look bad. ....It would appear you agree with me? Please clarify. Is there actually evidence, or do we just get to hear your opinion? This may seem trivial but the "witnesses" brought by Adam Schiff also seemed to just have a bunch of Orange Man Bad "opinions", and everyone's really sick of hearing that sort of tripe. There's also a fundamental legal problem with your position, which is that the alleged actions did not occur, so you have no person damaged by the alleged "motivations." It's as if you have some guys talking about burglarizing Democrat HQ (Watergate) but not doing it. The correct charge for this would be a form of conspiracy, would it not? Or do you just want to impeach for your opinion of primary motivation? There is evidence and I have an opinion. I don't see any reason to explain it all again. I understand you disagree with me, think very little of my opinions, believe I'm not capable of looking at the situation rationally due to an extreme hatred of Trump and am a fool for supporting any Democrat. So there's no need to keep pointing it out over and over again. I've also made it clear I disagree with most of your opinions and believe many things you've stated as facts are untrue. There's no need to keep going in circles. |
|
|
|
I owe eddie a signed message confirming BTC.01 on Trump not getting reelected with same terms as suchmoons bet.
Just saying.
Ok don't want this on my todo list any longer. I just stole all the terms from suchmoon/eddie bet in OP and changed the amount. I'm fine with forgetting the arbitrator clause as long as this bet is settled the same as your bet with suchmoon. Let me know if everything looks good and I'll sign it with 1JqxhKj4CdRqFb7mGdXVMYTMy1MQ5qShsn I could've sworn I had it in the staked address thread, but can only find this post at the moment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1243970.msg12951413#msg12951413TwitchySeals's address: 1JqxhKj4CdRqFb7mGdXVMYTMy1MQ5qShsn
eddie13's address: 1vvSrTFiQY7akwbsv3iYPPe9mR3DsEbff
TwitchySeal agrees to pay 0.01 BTC to eddie13 if Donald J Trump wins the 2020 US presidential election, and eddie13 agrees to pay 0.01 BTC to TwitchySeal if Donald J Trump does not win the 2020 US presidential election.
The outcome of this bet will be the same as the outcome of the [url=https://archive.is/wip/pTbBg]bet between suchmoon and eddie13[/url].
Decision logic is
Election result is considered decided by the Electoral College meeting. If the Electoral College elects Donald J Trump the president of the US following the 2020 US presidential election eddie13 wins the bet, in any other case TwitchySeal wins the bet except for the draw conditions listed below.
Conditions for a draw (neither side pays the other side):
If there is no presidential election in 2020.
If Donald J Trump is not on the ballot in at least 26 states.
If the Electoral College doesn't meet by midnight January 31, 2021.
Additional terms:
EC decision is final regardless of popular vote, pledged electors, unfaithful electors etc.
No presidential election in 2020 (martial law, martians invading, etc) means a draw.
Donald J Trump not running for any reason (primaried out, dead, impeached, etc) means a draw even if he wins via write-in.
Any other candidate getting elected (democrat, republican, third party, etc) means Twitchyseal wins.
If Donald J Trump is elected but doesn't get sworn in (dies, goes to prison, moves to Slovenia, etc) eddie13 wins.
Signed 2020-01-04 |
|
|
|
Seems like he only has the screen shot so I ran a ocr app on the screen shot and the script verified the bet on the second row (the first instance of the 'verified' wasn't checked) node nitrodice.js SERVER SEED HASH GIVEN BY SERVER: 611f59a4157101a74ca3f345a5a22fa393ee5f4f4b35018dc450d712fa56f65542b76b42b0d210e e0d915086dfb0dc02b9320569c50f2e40b87a8a4b39745391 BET RESULT FROM SERVER: 828548CALCULATED BET RESULT: 828548 ALL OK - BET VERIFIED! The ocr is a little rough: ■ 27,, 828548 03-Jan-20 03-66-20 El I=1 5 2 28 -2 2 1080040 226650256 fe9e71b01.136f42c1baf202f3aa3b7e7977156867aac5f8bbf.73ecc560669 7673c411a0a2ad982a22be813d5dbb90f1fcf4b95939f5b4598b3b1bca617eecODae042c6cd3e7d64232calle68011f 83ab5dfea6007.262ab2bbd8d7e1f 737
5 2 828548 -2 0 1080044 1339809431 92b1f251621260127040fc7c602757ec780317d9ea62b3492e4852b665e76d62 61159a4157101a74.3f345a5a22fa39.5f4f4b35018dc450c17121a54165542b761342b0d210eA1915(N36cIfb0.2b932056.50f2e40b87a8a4b39745391
470831 3-Jan-20 2 5 2 41.0031-2 2 1080046 1363195872 f.536f 80.2e6671e29a29db471db 13aec78dc863bb989c992e6cdd2f 7184b8 d333f78c6a12dc429daeffe11b1a8f0a97706e3dc713f800501d0.ee7824f4262772387249b20f8e1345695e1c44241ff5cb011b9d62f5c730a64c743a.df096
630934 003-20 0000 El 5 2 630934 -2 2 1080047 1971797310 49e0e0ba606ade23c3ae5bc30090b83e8375d262d06e9b316edd54d86d978745 da5c42c5b5efe75039ab2d1Obd70760c355a22b26d4b953.394bce7aab290f8dd256b6aac7018729975a8c3cb9a52a06278e6bc6edd.edced0ea5999a4bf 1
368081 3200693 0 5 2 338001-2 0 1080053 1505176378 954ec3b6ece28156e7da9e603534ed17e3f5c719468c248ad3f8225587affi7dd 06672c6.4ee004C497267be680fa81c47cf973596b4d3731649.b70d1a03ac57781a356a2778c04e959cc36.67bcb132d7664.7344f8bc.9ba37b56e43
307254 0326-20 0000 2 5 2 31 -2 0 1080057 1403887836 03924008234 €153703d966941834665461362150004485862 ce3ab8f4a4b6e05553884914061.fc36thefib55047292102&77.82bfab920673819785271c270261675d7d04d75,11db347343765ba2d7ffecb40b50e38
693156 334200600 2 5 2 69 -2 2 1080063 13.801470 c67b4c0f05a84c08c36cc7783efc7e3a7477b9638fd32e0a7644ab01a5867730 b178ef623c119465c701398b35cc3064da9a758ac3e3e4558a6bb8baa4f9c52855197e5Wc85defdffb87b5aa1021be5990600dc363aeeecaffd5fb8bb66fa24
893863 053-20 0000 2 5 2 893863 -2 2 1080064 829863996 53.2794163970825336.67cb6666cb821691d7440303930871b31916337 24adbdda6e0405e5c6e23a7daff4dc187018fc2fb5186db5.13dObf0138193823a0e91f9e4bbWe6ed992092cdd26cac750c24b32799271398700400481524b
385213 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 4 -2 2 1080066 1371618624 71f 795eff349baa 1fe9a9df 952.1c766425.05c2bb847133e005ec 12adde 1d b.22f3ebf46.41322bf5e611feda5a6f4.55cf4a7a41111fca40a46dfba8ec51c6a1622b408061d63150012b931224abdd9e9265b59594513ed42d73448ee
23763 0366-200000 2 5 2 23763 -2 2 1080069 1477415063 0766773891e81d99605670566664248.1872e6d6683607439663d6693097 c2e34a81a4dd74fcc23.78b89d4e.2d0e773654c9c2aa1b.258b9a919145981323e981f2ac833aefeenScc73db5e339134d9dcb845d6e4bOded5656cc1W
308141 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 31 -2 2 1080070 1068953043 8/122a924dac4W1c76d9fa29464246804bad808d8ad95b1502cabf 099.7a49 ef03a89874662ab1dcd69bbeaa7.5198340a5M860cc9b5a5f58f5b35bakf1c6f498f3e2c945b6dc71f37a84e6695c731ffedc592d398646dc66ee6b7aa042
877959 30491396 0366-20 0000 003,34:2920 000%900 2 5 2 88 -2 2 1080072 127837872 d36e4dab03dd89bf03348919847d71293577ef0e3146.doee5d1666.84d 03461833444608e20abdoeb1e1541e.3446e9189155c16608w367e53eb81213946360554028485026857875569111628e201315e5d8c366d7e73668c1fde1
30 -2 2 1080074 233575912 b81a5c3c313x1f7a245897b28841a8ba7cf72044aab7d6b8.7cfaf6f8ba34 137a0e32ffeaCtfac53ec7c46c7df9d9a5991:13a703d67accd2304c3537630750e8bdOec9b9c4a95a3442f03023614a3644c65bd3e0d43f07d1152e8e660931be
55 2 97 372 2 1080079 1460293856 ad.3c936d1ef9ff989.aba743d9afa8e8f01318dMa560b..31b4cA363ba bd0c34a0c8Maaf77072a8c53361585c69ac826e8dd4115e481.5d42eff55928e735075c99c13a67ddf1a0d192449c159dddccdf9b53c4374.8.154c8d6f
252006 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 25.2006-2 2 1080084 163582953 5b6bb2478860622defadb9bbb84e3d.61982cf9b1832d66008b8c023a2517c d1d322e0c36Ndf66f25f1b8528cfa597c46effieb9683271b2d9Mb401dbe6f1770329016979bdef7502,122795b3c1f36a180de1156b33ea8104d995fbbc34
721273 0383,20 0000 2 5 2 721273 -2 I 2 1080085 228198479 1305008111306c6b2d26281d50021.80350644b367720d97308140336c4d5 0a0718b9k4b7524e968403c18a9e1b3b5315433d8d843476ef064b565a746930a851bc41a872485f2c2017c05d1113107ef33031d571699d866&141418c8a
798395 303230630 2 5 2 758395-2 2 1080086 1 8482c74d51a63W59ad29bed5a051363545988553c48a.ef928ae87ab74fe4 10.158b2ab0327b6.79ad1231752294b52e871e13728,3601c6f938dc09d2c9c596d9c0a3b71c598fa44aca43e2781950.6dc3090a45d140370784fd2538e
308481 0366-20 0000 2 5 2 31 -2 2 1080088 1498050307 91790832872d6584686696803342198610566-467815414235666f0 ac8072o5638b18e0e443d585251869c20e98b79e90380f0W5ae346a36e24e937536/95A3c188959982e09beac08faf0dc2c7N01340f35090f89ebe3.25e
433135 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 463135-2 0 1080089 239979444 baa6b5ebe0e6c2c996baeaMbbe0d0001c6d11ce1f9ed719f1:1322a33c753fa3d b8a96a227c54ed7569c40c773454c07a2c45bf9b23e7968c1a0c48b7c985421cda4fd1abc7065c326681f5fdb4bf662d7bfebee67e69104aed1bba.7ab2c8
857079 03J,-200000 2 5 2 853079 -2 2 1080091 2066236289 2066636209ee966805783857566d3805.857038e832252613692671eeb 033341b6132d5ffd7802cb8a2eddaa30475d89e2829ddda76ccd88fefa82df242714b794c49dbb441e020213a100ced013.00f071b7863e054d7706042.34
942726 03-Jan-20 00:03 2 5 2 962726-2 0 1080100 320583976 257ac4f56a0c290a92addaf 22f 2d1bb8d64d8efc6a3abc61445381204b9e9a6f e0f9f5353896490def911623b5b1287bb4f..600f78088fdf4e83b434.3c8ffefdd66b6c6c171b251d9a83794e2625278dfda0cd8f4864008a3f1W54d3d
340911 0303,20 0000 0 5 2 34 -2 2 1080102 1628217990 1666acaa2343e832,524.131739499062.366004484501bf66339157d7 4a37dcdc7c0e3d208ad692bf1c655a1ac6b6ba200a7d5ed65ad2ee4e7457747337647aecac4d6520.f612fee384871d944e61d6e1ed1ba3b1b219823a6625c9
305792 03-Jan-20 MOD 2 5 2 365792-2 2 1080104 2078179314 7795.89c7079e7d6b772eddea5fbdfdfd950&15c7e82fe57da355353c71,130 164ec4c2913bda5c66652cbd124c27971d4eb263887a978039650dcc4fe29e42.715abOdf1de9.9b289cf 1acea5d5495.35eaff7b91.4b1d1d33bcf 92c5
803660 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 80 -2 2 1080108 1271600466 c.239b1646914.3d786182139225569619861.84056562062281.9 a8746e6bdO8b3aeedf2b24d45191d3b6178c172b1d9642694f3f7479936179c19240N13002cd650b0363451d44e6657c9401316127cbf87151.7707d48113272
625047 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 62.5047-2 2 1080114 1209152371 5274fe000e2a42db9de2f0d47c65b48b75ebbbd8d3ea6f18713126cbf374W45 2b6d.9fde83def4621f8632afa76044878dd1738aa5..bff6717c178c2294e846b597d0b4471ffe9.257444413c87bb5262.010dfa58a0302475f6bf4
577914 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 58 -2 2 1080115 1368643296 f71d32542742366.4011216fclf5fe5aa017096d721ff45b9aWc9b5e9c6adeb 7af0.69e9ff2b1309709439192232ebf331bda82b2db9ea534adbc0364c070b83od05341e560eSba0af8df4264d18dbc4baacdb3adaed623f81d9b15dca403b
208213 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 208213 -2 2 1080117 1880483694 c3fa04259834ce7dd3f8b.04d75.27cathdO8db3925a0d41ae0835ab273ca 2a4534348eedef6824.1024cebfff20102a402b80d5d3302fa7b2f861864e1c1f9c458703197b77d05d7a11db729a2deb91637b6.03ab4c4c3ed7c68d3d75
520333 416264 03-Jan-20 0000 03Jan-200000 2 5 2 52 -2 0 1080118 1201218516 516396e7471e60e064.993831e0866368dd4648.196b368debdd5448dc84 5210fee4c3c5d3acf37.169e2c3522bb5c4730119497a1a3c6694895dbc234044f19bbf414645efb150c3d773e143c124.57914fa48449aaldc628b348ad
2 5 42 -2 I 2 1080119 601665517 44fef9788e83203ec2c1243bd7074fca90da3ce7e62d949752dc62ibbbOddba6 a49b5bf18c982e356da979de9e5.9cafefOc62adb0e538fccfW98,0411462129e4014bd29c8a7dc7d16bb217e07e41430eda432ef51ee7a465d577c225c
366366 03-Jan-20 0020 0 5 2 37 -2 2 1080120 1856641538 5864030760467d5d2722856e.6146e4cb9cb85835046671f93030e056595 .11,4316ea5081c90853279c594ebf476cdafb26b58372673869d0dacb4c8af21049181ffe2021e6e07e1b4bff35130420f5d8544.ffieba2f048549e1fa84d0
210402 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 21 -2 2 1080129 260412325 3a 109365a.2802435c21b.244f Oc.27965568aa975e1bd7ca.29155afaf 2e397beb 1d 1418cda8fd58e0cfbc 17cc87db68.62ba5bf 78a91c1f426b9e4c3a 1eae927d0eab 125.1028d8c229a3a 1f4ea6d 1daaa3fe26b23.b66383ad45b
239392 239701 03-Jan-20 0000 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 2 5 5 2 2 23.9392 229701-2 -2 I 0 2 1080134 1080138 1139709880 1470652521 2af1e0a29331d9cf022149.eddb62aac5ea60e46w089e0k147eb2bc4ad91264 1366e221cca904b31d8ca4398833ce36994e58f503c112c40ae9bde9339b28ace 76193966477d 1c0b82cdc7ac2d21913b4.978aca6883.75d9e97d48e8a19b2c468554cc1993a 1787d22de94d74.84c7089ce6.6071c71.ed8e2e3decdd7 1acd2d25f0573e1a1b604367c2861a1c1a1f305258b78098f.829c6d4ab1482dd9a96a2fd5971394abbelf93c40e44622c1cfa2.40e800e24f53c7d1bd682486
247432 03,13.0 WOO 2 52247432 -2 2 1080139 482259745 4037cbe29772068693805c7dd46e91131e1361f7838672ace44370003364 a79863194db3c03865aa1115007a91760215318378e42b3591bb9d9bW0958567d6c822a112the108b3421dce1.d.17d8bf96230cae4130828515dbf4619de
74652 0303,20 0602 2 5 2 7.4652-2 2 1080140 972612592 38a2bb2f39411b84e32671a2881f1671.25252fd9Occ5346f77bb0b8581393e 627e64460a321d66409002289789d616ea76c1d9de026c7b82722d20481437b0979d93ef 2e3f1f9a4faa75a8db1e498f7887ab128cdb3f8f 3.7234627947c48a
778562 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 772562 -2 2 1080143 1453870781 e06066.97838071348ce3269a038813e6b786db0451.400924566663178374 12794aa8595dc13002f9c1b7iff314c9d482ffc003a58543242504834d1444064dc7ebd5a720cb294.835e81deficliceb662420eda616666829.6eafe01d81
202604 03-Jan-20 00:03 2 5 2 262604-2 2 1080147 449685062 d7c2391fe8f 27d373eadad67378041dec167731054cd645.7864a7.0ca6f 5a f353260.85422d10413c6fd6fb0b089c62f1e.121aac.aed.e.5f56f35627,18dbOafe277ab287737b736970220.248936c079cbcOc9168647c858bc6
248686 0303,20 0000 0 5 2 248686 -2 2 1080150 755636448 26665.85333913624263646661021506361035036337611374623325c063 b69334.34363872203.4855ee544156ed3620062117964a000ab34e24633332295132838e3632246964620767366c5871969c1776460608334828
486068 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 466060-2 2 1080152 1481467055 893089613b6d09d5c63f5b8d6a8b025ff134.93e4e578dab..0995f9f1c9d9 b754f1179564c78fdbae6a3ec42e43871f604f84bf2391c4320cf8d27c971a.cecd2b75e4931c31139badc4c1482d7b31ff07c789066edThe32f9c479d99809
776415 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 772415 -2 2 1080153 1360603095 17561236986546996091053537e34e507590344777947614e5e3666030613 8a7b2Oddab9a05ac3c00d35c9461.62a7ca36dc274cdda7eb2W825ac434f77122.3c3db39678d2ea64b94f61fc1837861ac2cOdcbd2bbafdad6f922
791035 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 761005-2 0 1080157 1524618114 1a82cc910e04dWc2e9ae028924ff82fe3d7b75.19eed954c3b3a5cf04e74f 6 e8c8e25.7.5067d91.8038681b01.18ed2ecdd.ac44cc60a8f8a932ac9b9f38a36324766b7069735e31d5k9e35.418c80.544243.9da4b19d5044
72779 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 72779 -2 2 1080159 927978913 1f64cOdb81aba019bfb54c2cab4590715f6e181afab.6d2913c06d0:1910b5 bdaf28980f8391a0f8b3ec65e57113981-488&15W9807d5ce751.10ce7da76034395e6d196667845e052470.43H79705f95691baf0&1670fd84d20.8b
569042 03-Jan-20 moo 2 5 2 669042-2 0 1080167 525395783 8aa21abd5c88079646248698866ea84a9673e581e97ba98874f3db39680ea. bb.e.a3d1df9bbdcff5974.2768fc8e012135642dd95b15f266fa6de2950171a4e73b378c63048c7446244fbd3e214cc05ac.aeb5a14.2cd0773cOef2ad7
what is that number? BET RESULT FROM SERVER: 828548 maybe its what im talking about, and they are doing it in another way. I ran the nonce, player seed and server seed through the script they posted. The result was 828548 which meant you should've rolled 82.8548, which you did. So it was a valid bet. Not sure why the bot didn't validate it, but it doesn't mean it was not valid. |
|
|
|
Seems like he only has the screen shot so I ran a ocr app on the screen shot and the script verified the bet on the second row (the first instance of the 'verified' wasn't checked) I was getting every minute of few unverified bets in that site  maybe I something dont understand, and will say something wrong - but this site has generating some kind of "fake" id's, betID's are not going in sequence, but simple making random numbers(watch any screenshot) some time ago another members are made refference and you cannot watch them in web site. so i can't watch bet with that "id numbers", if im wrong tell me how. here you can read something about it, posted some time ago from another user. All users are REAL users on nitrodice db. This does not mean are all HUMAN users. Most of them are "testing" user. Testing speed, creation/deletion user, engine status, betting functionality etc etc.
So... what is your concern about to seeing or not other "humans" playing? How does it affect you gaming experience?
It doesn't affect my gaming experience, because it's shady, misleading and a poor practice, that makes me never want to play there in the first place. Faking volume makes your site appear more trustworthy than it is, it misleads players who might want to come 'whale watch'. It also makes it appear that you don't know what you're doing to an experienced person who doesn't realize volume is fake. It would be trivial for you to test on a private server, or make some "TEST" token that's used only for testing. Here is a bet where a player bets 0.921 BTC (it's a fake player I assume, but test players should still follow your limits, right?) trying to win around an 18x multiplier. You've stated that your bankroll is over $100000, but for the sake of being safe, I'll assume you have quadruple that, which is equivalent to nearly 50 BTC. At a 0.5% house edge, if the bet wins, the house would lose 15.65 BTC, which is over 1/4th of your bankroll, but I'll use 1/4th for safe measure. 25% of the bankroll/0.5% house edge = 50x Kelly. 2x kelly is when the investor/house's EBG (expected bankroll growth) is basically zero, and at 50x Kelly, your EV is positive, but your bankroll is expected to go down very quickly. It shows to the math competent player that your model is flawed, and unsustainable, making it something to avoid. If I did ignore the whole "no easily verifiable bankroll and horrible negative bankroll growth setup", and decided to play here, it would affect my gaming experience. Many people come to dice sites to socialize, in which large activity is needed to happen. A new player looking at your site would see a decently active player base with a number of whales based on the recent bet list, and the speed in which bets come in, but your chat is dead, and the whales are fake. The community had a problem when BetBTC.co faked stats and bets and when FortuneJack faked stats, if that gives you any ideas into why people care. Are you really saying that you see no problem with faking a large amount of betting volume? There are much better ways to test. Please have a look to all comments since the beginning of the thread, all your insinuations were refuted: you can not cover winnings, your server can not support 2000+ bets minute, your website is unfinished etc.
I pointed out that something seems off with the Dicebot bets; the bet IDs made zero sense. I did some more checking, and guess what?
Bet ID 23718 is a bet made by dissenting_metaphor_6 (not enjoy_nitrodice_the_faster_dice like on your video) that bets 0.061393 BCH (not the 1 DOGE like shown on your Dicebot), it lost 0.061393 BCH (again not the 1 DOGE shown on your Dicebot), had a nonce of 1190 (not the 7517 shown on your Dicebot), and rolled 0.00997, which again, is not the 2.3718 shown on Dicebot.
 I expect you to refute this by saying that the Dicebot testing was done on a separate test server, but as shown by your willingness to test betting speeds on your main server, that is unlikely, and does not help prove your point that the main server handles 2000 bets per second. You can't expect a real bettor to be willing to bet on a separate server either, as they would not have a proper record of bets, and cannot verify provably fair manually. If the bet IDs are incorrect, then you should not be publishing and selling the bot on a VPS in it's form; what good is a fast bot if the bets are unverifiable? Here's an archive of the specific bet, for future reference. The other bets don't make sense either! (each linked word in the last sentence is an archive of the bet record that Nitrodice shows for each bet ID I grabbed in the screenshot)
Side Note: Does anyone know of a site where you can archive YouTube videos?
I do understand you put your interest somewhere else but please stop making judgmental assertions with no evidences.
I do believe that this is just grasping at straws, but for full disclosure, not that it really matters, but I do have some BTC invested into other dice sites: 0.5 BTC - Crypto-Games.net 0.15 BTC - Bustadice 0.1 BTC - Bustabit 0.3 BTC - YOLODice ~0.06 BTC worth of BetKing tokens You could argue that I have a financial incentive in making your site fail, which could be true to an extent. However, my share is a very small percentage compared to other investors, and even if your site were to attract 10000 BTC worth of volume in a month, assuming it all went to YOLODice, where I have the highest proportion (0.05% of the bankroll), and luck was 100%, the site would expect to gain 100 BTC in profit (1% edge), and 0.05 BTC would go me, or 0.0325 BTC in net, after YOLODice's commission (35% profits). That's all assuming that your site manages to attract that much real volume; YOLODice has run for 5 months, and has only 19k BTC wagered in all. Primedice, arguably the most popular dice site has only had 6000 BTC wagered in the past month, give or take. So no, I do not have any incentive to smear your website. I do agree that I lacked evidence, but my post was based off of assumptions and logic. You did admit afterwards that the volume was fake, so it's not like I was wrong. I just provided evidence that your Dicebot is either fake, or severely messed up as well, and that your business model is flawed and will bankrupt you should you attract any real whales. How's this for quality?  You also wanted constructive criticism, so my constructive advise is: 1. Stop faking volume, either intentionally (probable) or unintentionally and move to a proper test server 2. Reassess your business strategy so that it is sustainable, and learn about the world of Bitcoin Gambling you plan on breaking into 3. Don't falsely accuse people of having other interests without proof; if you attack everyone that criticizes you, you won't have success 4. Perhaps hold more BTC so that you can have a provably and public reserve of funds Stuff you're doing good with: 1. API edit: fixed typo, improved explanation Ok, I'm convinced the site is a scam. DarkStar knows what he's talking about. Looks like the owner hasn't been active since april. I left him neg feedback: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1715633 Not much else we can do at this point, I guess a flag may be appropriate? I'm not an expert on flags though. |
|
|
|
liberal american trash is dying of and gets replaced by africans and muslims
We get to have a lot more sex though. sex doesnt produce educated hard working people, who then go to war against muslims and their hatred towards everything differen't that breathes. Is there a secret clone factory somewhere that produces educated hard working violent racists? how is being anti islamic state a form of racism, are you some kind of retard, or member of the democratic party in the usa or other western lunatics? or are you just a middle eastern lobbiststs who would like to escape middle east madness himself I'm just trying to figure out how these people are produced without any sex. Isn't sex the only way to produce another person? ofc there is, jesus was born without sex. Actually Mary left her boyfriend because he was an abusive alcoholic that couldn't hold down a job. She didn't know she was pregnant at the time. When she found out she told people it was an immaculate conception because she was embarrassed to be a single mother that had never been married. And now we have Christianity. |
|
|
|
Seems like he only has the screen shot so I ran a ocr app on the screen shot and the script verified the bet on the second row (the first instance of the 'verified' wasn't checked) node nitrodice.js SERVER SEED HASH GIVEN BY SERVER: 611f59a4157101a74ca3f345a5a22fa393ee5f4f4b35018dc450d712fa56f65542b76b42b0d210e e0d915086dfb0dc02b9320569c50f2e40b87a8a4b39745391 BET RESULT FROM SERVER: 828548 CALCULATED BET RESULT: 828548 ALL OK - BET VERIFIED! The ocr is a little rough: ■ 27,, 828548 03-Jan-20 03-66-20 El I=1 5 2 28 -2 2 1080040 226650256 fe9e71b01.136f42c1baf202f3aa3b7e7977156867aac5f8bbf.73ecc560669 7673c411a0a2ad982a22be813d5dbb90f1fcf4b95939f5b4598b3b1bca617eecODae042c6cd3e7d64232calle68011f 83ab5dfea6007.262ab2bbd8d7e1f 737
5 2 828548 -2 0 1080044 1339809431 92b1f251621260127040fc7c602757ec780317d9ea62b3492e4852b665e76d62 61159a4157101a74.3f345a5a22fa39.5f4f4b35018dc450c17121a54165542b761342b0d210eA1915(N36cIfb0.2b932056.50f2e40b87a8a4b39745391
470831 3-Jan-20 2 5 2 41.0031-2 2 1080046 1363195872 f.536f 80.2e6671e29a29db471db 13aec78dc863bb989c992e6cdd2f 7184b8 d333f78c6a12dc429daeffe11b1a8f0a97706e3dc713f800501d0.ee7824f4262772387249b20f8e1345695e1c44241ff5cb011b9d62f5c730a64c743a.df096
630934 003-20 0000 El 5 2 630934 -2 2 1080047 1971797310 49e0e0ba606ade23c3ae5bc30090b83e8375d262d06e9b316edd54d86d978745 da5c42c5b5efe75039ab2d1Obd70760c355a22b26d4b953.394bce7aab290f8dd256b6aac7018729975a8c3cb9a52a06278e6bc6edd.edced0ea5999a4bf 1
368081 3200693 0 5 2 338001-2 0 1080053 1505176378 954ec3b6ece28156e7da9e603534ed17e3f5c719468c248ad3f8225587affi7dd 06672c6.4ee004C497267be680fa81c47cf973596b4d3731649.b70d1a03ac57781a356a2778c04e959cc36.67bcb132d7664.7344f8bc.9ba37b56e43
307254 0326-20 0000 2 5 2 31 -2 0 1080057 1403887836 03924008234 €153703d966941834665461362150004485862 ce3ab8f4a4b6e05553884914061.fc36thefib55047292102&77.82bfab920673819785271c270261675d7d04d75,11db347343765ba2d7ffecb40b50e38
693156 334200600 2 5 2 69 -2 2 1080063 13.801470 c67b4c0f05a84c08c36cc7783efc7e3a7477b9638fd32e0a7644ab01a5867730 b178ef623c119465c701398b35cc3064da9a758ac3e3e4558a6bb8baa4f9c52855197e5Wc85defdffb87b5aa1021be5990600dc363aeeecaffd5fb8bb66fa24
893863 053-20 0000 2 5 2 893863 -2 2 1080064 829863996 53.2794163970825336.67cb6666cb821691d7440303930871b31916337 24adbdda6e0405e5c6e23a7daff4dc187018fc2fb5186db5.13dObf0138193823a0e91f9e4bbWe6ed992092cdd26cac750c24b32799271398700400481524b
385213 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 4 -2 2 1080066 1371618624 71f 795eff349baa 1fe9a9df 952.1c766425.05c2bb847133e005ec 12adde 1d b.22f3ebf46.41322bf5e611feda5a6f4.55cf4a7a41111fca40a46dfba8ec51c6a1622b408061d63150012b931224abdd9e9265b59594513ed42d73448ee
23763 0366-200000 2 5 2 23763 -2 2 1080069 1477415063 0766773891e81d99605670566664248.1872e6d6683607439663d6693097 c2e34a81a4dd74fcc23.78b89d4e.2d0e773654c9c2aa1b.258b9a919145981323e981f2ac833aefeenScc73db5e339134d9dcb845d6e4bOded5656cc1W
308141 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 31 -2 2 1080070 1068953043 8/122a924dac4W1c76d9fa29464246804bad808d8ad95b1502cabf 099.7a49 ef03a89874662ab1dcd69bbeaa7.5198340a5M860cc9b5a5f58f5b35bakf1c6f498f3e2c945b6dc71f37a84e6695c731ffedc592d398646dc66ee6b7aa042
877959 30491396 0366-20 0000 003,34:2920 000%900 2 5 2 88 -2 2 1080072 127837872 d36e4dab03dd89bf03348919847d71293577ef0e3146.doee5d1666.84d 03461833444608e20abdoeb1e1541e.3446e9189155c16608w367e53eb81213946360554028485026857875569111628e201315e5d8c366d7e73668c1fde1
30 -2 2 1080074 233575912 b81a5c3c313x1f7a245897b28841a8ba7cf72044aab7d6b8.7cfaf6f8ba34 137a0e32ffeaCtfac53ec7c46c7df9d9a5991:13a703d67accd2304c3537630750e8bdOec9b9c4a95a3442f03023614a3644c65bd3e0d43f07d1152e8e660931be
55 2 97 372 2 1080079 1460293856 ad.3c936d1ef9ff989.aba743d9afa8e8f01318dMa560b..31b4cA363ba bd0c34a0c8Maaf77072a8c53361585c69ac826e8dd4115e481.5d42eff55928e735075c99c13a67ddf1a0d192449c159dddccdf9b53c4374.8.154c8d6f
252006 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 25.2006-2 2 1080084 163582953 5b6bb2478860622defadb9bbb84e3d.61982cf9b1832d66008b8c023a2517c d1d322e0c36Ndf66f25f1b8528cfa597c46effieb9683271b2d9Mb401dbe6f1770329016979bdef7502,122795b3c1f36a180de1156b33ea8104d995fbbc34
721273 0383,20 0000 2 5 2 721273 -2 I 2 1080085 228198479 1305008111306c6b2d26281d50021.80350644b367720d97308140336c4d5 0a0718b9k4b7524e968403c18a9e1b3b5315433d8d843476ef064b565a746930a851bc41a872485f2c2017c05d1113107ef33031d571699d866&141418c8a
798395 303230630 2 5 2 758395-2 2 1080086 1 8482c74d51a63W59ad29bed5a051363545988553c48a.ef928ae87ab74fe4 10.158b2ab0327b6.79ad1231752294b52e871e13728,3601c6f938dc09d2c9c596d9c0a3b71c598fa44aca43e2781950.6dc3090a45d140370784fd2538e
308481 0366-20 0000 2 5 2 31 -2 2 1080088 1498050307 91790832872d6584686696803342198610566-467815414235666f0 ac8072o5638b18e0e443d585251869c20e98b79e90380f0W5ae346a36e24e937536/95A3c188959982e09beac08faf0dc2c7N01340f35090f89ebe3.25e
433135 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 463135-2 0 1080089 239979444 baa6b5ebe0e6c2c996baeaMbbe0d0001c6d11ce1f9ed719f1:1322a33c753fa3d b8a96a227c54ed7569c40c773454c07a2c45bf9b23e7968c1a0c48b7c985421cda4fd1abc7065c326681f5fdb4bf662d7bfebee67e69104aed1bba.7ab2c8
857079 03J,-200000 2 5 2 853079 -2 2 1080091 2066236289 2066636209ee966805783857566d3805.857038e832252613692671eeb 033341b6132d5ffd7802cb8a2eddaa30475d89e2829ddda76ccd88fefa82df242714b794c49dbb441e020213a100ced013.00f071b7863e054d7706042.34
942726 03-Jan-20 00:03 2 5 2 962726-2 0 1080100 320583976 257ac4f56a0c290a92addaf 22f 2d1bb8d64d8efc6a3abc61445381204b9e9a6f e0f9f5353896490def911623b5b1287bb4f..600f78088fdf4e83b434.3c8ffefdd66b6c6c171b251d9a83794e2625278dfda0cd8f4864008a3f1W54d3d
340911 0303,20 0000 0 5 2 34 -2 2 1080102 1628217990 1666acaa2343e832,524.131739499062.366004484501bf66339157d7 4a37dcdc7c0e3d208ad692bf1c655a1ac6b6ba200a7d5ed65ad2ee4e7457747337647aecac4d6520.f612fee384871d944e61d6e1ed1ba3b1b219823a6625c9
305792 03-Jan-20 MOD 2 5 2 365792-2 2 1080104 2078179314 7795.89c7079e7d6b772eddea5fbdfdfd950&15c7e82fe57da355353c71,130 164ec4c2913bda5c66652cbd124c27971d4eb263887a978039650dcc4fe29e42.715abOdf1de9.9b289cf 1acea5d5495.35eaff7b91.4b1d1d33bcf 92c5
803660 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 80 -2 2 1080108 1271600466 c.239b1646914.3d786182139225569619861.84056562062281.9 a8746e6bdO8b3aeedf2b24d45191d3b6178c172b1d9642694f3f7479936179c19240N13002cd650b0363451d44e6657c9401316127cbf87151.7707d48113272
625047 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 62.5047-2 2 1080114 1209152371 5274fe000e2a42db9de2f0d47c65b48b75ebbbd8d3ea6f18713126cbf374W45 2b6d.9fde83def4621f8632afa76044878dd1738aa5..bff6717c178c2294e846b597d0b4471ffe9.257444413c87bb5262.010dfa58a0302475f6bf4
577914 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 58 -2 2 1080115 1368643296 f71d32542742366.4011216fclf5fe5aa017096d721ff45b9aWc9b5e9c6adeb 7af0.69e9ff2b1309709439192232ebf331bda82b2db9ea534adbc0364c070b83od05341e560eSba0af8df4264d18dbc4baacdb3adaed623f81d9b15dca403b
208213 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 208213 -2 2 1080117 1880483694 c3fa04259834ce7dd3f8b.04d75.27cathdO8db3925a0d41ae0835ab273ca 2a4534348eedef6824.1024cebfff20102a402b80d5d3302fa7b2f861864e1c1f9c458703197b77d05d7a11db729a2deb91637b6.03ab4c4c3ed7c68d3d75
520333 416264 03-Jan-20 0000 03Jan-200000 2 5 2 52 -2 0 1080118 1201218516 516396e7471e60e064.993831e0866368dd4648.196b368debdd5448dc84 5210fee4c3c5d3acf37.169e2c3522bb5c4730119497a1a3c6694895dbc234044f19bbf414645efb150c3d773e143c124.57914fa48449aaldc628b348ad
2 5 42 -2 I 2 1080119 601665517 44fef9788e83203ec2c1243bd7074fca90da3ce7e62d949752dc62ibbbOddba6 a49b5bf18c982e356da979de9e5.9cafefOc62adb0e538fccfW98,0411462129e4014bd29c8a7dc7d16bb217e07e41430eda432ef51ee7a465d577c225c
366366 03-Jan-20 0020 0 5 2 37 -2 2 1080120 1856641538 5864030760467d5d2722856e.6146e4cb9cb85835046671f93030e056595 .11,4316ea5081c90853279c594ebf476cdafb26b58372673869d0dacb4c8af21049181ffe2021e6e07e1b4bff35130420f5d8544.ffieba2f048549e1fa84d0
210402 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 21 -2 2 1080129 260412325 3a 109365a.2802435c21b.244f Oc.27965568aa975e1bd7ca.29155afaf 2e397beb 1d 1418cda8fd58e0cfbc 17cc87db68.62ba5bf 78a91c1f426b9e4c3a 1eae927d0eab 125.1028d8c229a3a 1f4ea6d 1daaa3fe26b23.b66383ad45b
239392 239701 03-Jan-20 0000 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 2 5 5 2 2 23.9392 229701-2 -2 I 0 2 1080134 1080138 1139709880 1470652521 2af1e0a29331d9cf022149.eddb62aac5ea60e46w089e0k147eb2bc4ad91264 1366e221cca904b31d8ca4398833ce36994e58f503c112c40ae9bde9339b28ace 76193966477d 1c0b82cdc7ac2d21913b4.978aca6883.75d9e97d48e8a19b2c468554cc1993a 1787d22de94d74.84c7089ce6.6071c71.ed8e2e3decdd7 1acd2d25f0573e1a1b604367c2861a1c1a1f305258b78098f.829c6d4ab1482dd9a96a2fd5971394abbelf93c40e44622c1cfa2.40e800e24f53c7d1bd682486
247432 03,13.0 WOO 2 52247432 -2 2 1080139 482259745 4037cbe29772068693805c7dd46e91131e1361f7838672ace44370003364 a79863194db3c03865aa1115007a91760215318378e42b3591bb9d9bW0958567d6c822a112the108b3421dce1.d.17d8bf96230cae4130828515dbf4619de
74652 0303,20 0602 2 5 2 7.4652-2 2 1080140 972612592 38a2bb2f39411b84e32671a2881f1671.25252fd9Occ5346f77bb0b8581393e 627e64460a321d66409002289789d616ea76c1d9de026c7b82722d20481437b0979d93ef 2e3f1f9a4faa75a8db1e498f7887ab128cdb3f8f 3.7234627947c48a
778562 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 772562 -2 2 1080143 1453870781 e06066.97838071348ce3269a038813e6b786db0451.400924566663178374 12794aa8595dc13002f9c1b7iff314c9d482ffc003a58543242504834d1444064dc7ebd5a720cb294.835e81deficliceb662420eda616666829.6eafe01d81
202604 03-Jan-20 00:03 2 5 2 262604-2 2 1080147 449685062 d7c2391fe8f 27d373eadad67378041dec167731054cd645.7864a7.0ca6f 5a f353260.85422d10413c6fd6fb0b089c62f1e.121aac.aed.e.5f56f35627,18dbOafe277ab287737b736970220.248936c079cbcOc9168647c858bc6
248686 0303,20 0000 0 5 2 248686 -2 2 1080150 755636448 26665.85333913624263646661021506361035036337611374623325c063 b69334.34363872203.4855ee544156ed3620062117964a000ab34e24633332295132838e3632246964620767366c5871969c1776460608334828
486068 03-Jan-20 0600 2 5 2 466060-2 2 1080152 1481467055 893089613b6d09d5c63f5b8d6a8b025ff134.93e4e578dab..0995f9f1c9d9 b754f1179564c78fdbae6a3ec42e43871f604f84bf2391c4320cf8d27c971a.cecd2b75e4931c31139badc4c1482d7b31ff07c789066edThe32f9c479d99809
776415 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 772415 -2 2 1080153 1360603095 17561236986546996091053537e34e507590344777947614e5e3666030613 8a7b2Oddab9a05ac3c00d35c9461.62a7ca36dc274cdda7eb2W825ac434f77122.3c3db39678d2ea64b94f61fc1837861ac2cOdcbd2bbafdad6f922
791035 03-Jan-20 00:00 2 5 2 761005-2 0 1080157 1524618114 1a82cc910e04dWc2e9ae028924ff82fe3d7b75.19eed954c3b3a5cf04e74f 6 e8c8e25.7.5067d91.8038681b01.18ed2ecdd.ac44cc60a8f8a932ac9b9f38a36324766b7069735e31d5k9e35.418c80.544243.9da4b19d5044
72779 0303,20 0000 2 5 2 72779 -2 2 1080159 927978913 1f64cOdb81aba019bfb54c2cab4590715f6e181afab.6d2913c06d0:1910b5 bdaf28980f8391a0f8b3ec65e57113981-488&15W9807d5ce751.10ce7da76034395e6d196667845e052470.43H79705f95691baf0&1670fd84d20.8b
569042 03-Jan-20 moo 2 5 2 669042-2 0 1080167 525395783 8aa21abd5c88079646248698866ea84a9673e581e97ba98874f3db39680ea. bb.e.a3d1df9bbdcff5974.2768fc8e012135642dd95b15f266fa6de2950171a4e73b378c63048c7446244fbd3e214cc05ac.aeb5a14.2cd0773cOef2ad7
|
|
|
|
liberal american trash is dying of and gets replaced by africans and muslims
We get to have a lot more sex though. sex doesnt produce educated hard working people, who then go to war against muslims and their hatred towards everything differen't that breathes. Is there a secret clone factory somewhere that produces educated hard working violent racists? how is being anti islamic state a form of racism, are you some kind of retard, or member of the democratic party in the usa or other western lunatics? or are you just a middle eastern lobbiststs who would like to escape middle east madness himself I'm just trying to figure out how these people are produced without any sex. Isn't sex the only way to produce another person? |
|
|
|
liberal american trash is dying of and gets replaced by africans and muslims
We get to have a lot more sex though. sex doesnt produce educated hard working people, who then go to war against muslims and their hatred towards everything differen't that breathes. Is there a secret clone factory somewhere that produces educated hard working violent racists? |
|
|
|
|
Post in text form a few of the unverified bets.
Also post all communications you've had with their support.
The vast majority of 'this site is rigged' scam reports are bullshit (it's in most gamblers nature), so don't take the scrutiny personal.
|
|
|
|
there is no point attacking iran, its a low fertility country
He's literally talking about Irans birth rate, in case anyone is wondering. |
|
|
|
liberal american trash is dying of and gets replaced by africans and muslims
We get to have a lot more sex though. |
|
|
|
trying to impeach trump on basis of biden corruption is complete nonsense
There is tons of evidence that suggests the main reason he withheld the funds and WH meeting was to gain a political advantage in the next election. For example, why would he make a public statement from Ukraine about opening the investigation a requirement before giving Ukraine a meeting in the White House?.... "Evidence that suggests" is not evidence. You are trying to make inferences as to motive. reacting aggressive on corruption no mattter and even especially if its caused by your own citizen is an important and valuable mindset of american imperialism, you can't be weak on corruption especially if its your own, america would lose only trustworthyness with its allies, trump did everything wrong stupid demorats, can't admit it, because they don't get a black president's cock to suck. The funds were released in 2017 and 2018, no problem. Biden announced he was running in late April 2019. Biden had a huge lead by June, which was when Trump made his requests and froze ~$400m in military aid that was ordered by congress and approved by the DOD. He wanted the president of Ukraine, a corrupt country, to make a public announcement (on CNN was the plan) that Ukraine was opening an investigation into the DNC and Biden/Burissma in exchange for the $400 million and a White House Meeting. No other investigation requests. Just the DNC and the Bidens. This was all confirmed by career, non partisan officials and officials appointed by Trump under oath. There are also transcripts and emails that support all of the above. In Trumps defense, there's no evidence of him explicitly saying he was doing it because of the election. Also, after he found out he was being investigated by congress he did explicitly say 'I want nothing, no quid quo pro' to the EU ambassador and then released the funds. In my opinion it's painfully obvious that his primary motivation was to make his political opponent look bad. I think it's just second nature for him to do whatever he can to trash the reputation of anyone who stands in his way by any means necessary. |
|
|
|
|
Religion has probably been around since whatever point the mammals we've evolved into became intelligent enough to start making up answers to things we didn't know, like what happens when you die.
Between 1 and 2 million years ago is my guess.
Imagine all the forks and altcoins of religion that have been forgotten forever but influenced todays religion somehow.
|
|
|
|
2) Will Trump be able to convince Boris to join him in this war, if yes will Boris be forced to delay Brexit?. Not positive how it works, but I think if we go to war, NATO goes to war, and UK is part of NATO. I don't think any country could just say 'we're going to sit this one out'. I don't think it will affect Brexit. Not all EU members are NATO members. I don't think the EU is capable of 'going to war'. 3) Does Iran have nuclear weapons and if they do have will they target it on US and their allies.
The Obama deal ensured that it would take Iran about a year to produce enough Uranium to be a real threat, and the deal ended mid 2018, so it's possible I guess, but that's just for the raw material so I think it's unlikely. At the time some people said maybe in a couple years, some said it could take them up to 10 years to develop the technology. 4) Why aren’t the world leaders trying and getting both countries to back off before a full blown war starts.
Some probably are. I wouldn't blame them for doing it privately in Trumps case. Doing it publicly could easily backfire. Turkey and Saudi Arabia share borders with Iran and Israel isn't far, I would imagine they are all working closely with our intelligence. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin was also trying to calm down Iran right now. If we go to war with Iran there will be no real winners. |
|
|
|
I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse. What do you think they're trying to do? If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication? No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant.
I think you're opinion on what they should've done is very relevant to your opinion that they shouldn't have done what they did. My opinion is vaccinations should not be compulsory. This is compulsory vaccination no matter how much you want to imagine the bad thoughts away. People should have a right to choose what goes into their bodies. Bodily autonomy is about as critical of a right as anyone has. The rest of the debate is irrelevant to this fact. Would you be ok if they said "There's a serious measles out break right now. We are declaring a state of emergency. All businesses are closed and everyone should stay in their homes for the next 2 days. If you haven't received the MMR vaccine you should put a red flag on your door and we will send someone to administer it for free." |
|
|
|
"Evidence that suggests" is not evidence.
Yeah. It literally is. |
|
|
|
I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse. What do you think they're trying to do? If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication? Does intent have anything to do with results? It doesn't matter what "I would do". Once again you just pretend this is not compulsory regardless of wide reports of them going door to door, a state issued order clearly stating it is compulsory, and a 2 day curfew where they shut down everything so they make sure you are in your home when they get there. Keep pretending. Slurp slurp.
Honestly just curious what your opinion is. No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant. I think you're opinion on what they should've done is very relevant to your opinion that they shouldn't have done what they did. |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
