The difference is that God exists outside of this universe. He exists even beyond eternity. So the idea that God is eternal, without beginning or end, is entirely plausible. Now, if the aliens are like this, then they are God.

Here's a website that says that the land area of the United States is 9,181,859.76 - http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/usaareal.htm.

If there were 330,000,000 people in the U.S., and they were split into families of 4 on average, and each family lived in an apartment of 2,000 square feet, there would be 165,000,000,000 square feet of living space used by all 330,000,000 people.

There are 27878400 square feet in a square mile.

Divide the total square feet of living space by the number of square feet in a square mile. The result is slightly less than 6,000 square miles. This is the amount of land that living space would cover.

Stack the apartments in complexes 4 levels high to make room for roads and such between the apartments. This would leave 4,500 of the 6,000 square miles of residence land area for roads and parks and ponds and gardens and whatever.

The point is, even though living conditions might in some way be cramped in the above scenario, they wouldn't be SO cramped that people could not live. There would be over 9 million square miles of land left for everything else - from farming to manufacturing to whatever.

Over 99% of the idea that we are overpopulated is BS propaganda, designed to herd the people into the cities where they can be controlled by big government.

While there are all kinds of other considerations one might take into account, realize that the overpopulation propaganda is not giving you near enough of the true facts and figures.

If we could only do it. Peace and love would bring enlightenment if we could only do it. 

The problem with this is, what was the god that engineered the aliens? And what was the god that engineered that god? And how far back does this go? To infinity? Aliens being engineered by other aliens who were engineered by still other aliens. Where would it all start?

Since there is no CLEAR evidence that this is what happened, and since we don't have any CLEAR evidence of what happened at all, personally, I agree with the written record of the witnesses to the things that happened as they watched them happen in their lifetimes. I agree with the Bible witnesses. Along with this, I agree with the acceptable idea of the universe being a machine, that had to have a machine maker.

This is the point we might have disagreement on, if we took the time to nail it down. I am saying that God IS a personified being, separate from people, while at the same time being existent, as TRUE God, inside of and as all people. How can this be? I don't have a clue. Sounds almost impossible. Yet this is, if explained and understood correctly, what I believe.

I agree that God is existent in all people. But He also is an identity of His own, much broader that the combined entities that people are. 

Back when I used to tinker, I thought about making a car engine that would run really hot. The cooling jacket of the engine would actually be a boiler, that would take the heat from the engine, and run a second, STEAM, engine. All the heat would be captured, even from the exhaust, and converted into boiling water to run a second engine. The heat would be used twice. The steam engine might put out almost as much mechanical force as the main, gasoline engine.

I never did this, as I was only a tinkerer. But think of using a small gasoline or diesel engine as the main engine. If you had good insulation, and if the engines could be built to withstand the heat, you actually might be able to run 10 engines (or any number) off the same heat until too much of the heat dissipated through the insulation.

Exergy is the start of something like this in the computing industry.

See this? This is exactly why old earth science and evolution are a religion. People want to believe old earth science and evolution rather than examining something that makes logical, scientific sense.

Okay. Look at it like this. Imagine that some genius electronics engineer developed a time viewer, where he could look back 100,000 years. And he started showing people, over his time viewer, what it looked like when dinosaurs walked the earth. Do we believe what he is showing us? How can we tell, and when can we tell, that he might have something that is reliable?

Here's when. It's only when his time viewer can trace the history from 1 minute ago, and then 10 minutes ago, and then an hour, and then a day, week, month, year, etc., showing all the things that are happening right now, in our life time, where we can trace it back to the dinosaurs, viewing everything in between if we so desire. Only THEN might we start to believe that he has TRULY developed a time viewer that can show us the past, and that the past is as many years old as scientists have suggested.

The point is, ancient pottery, and old geological features, only suggest things. They aren't a time viewer that is clear enough to make any certain estimates of time and the timeline. There are too many variables that we don't know about, that just might play a much larger role in our understanding of how old things really are.

It is GOOD that scientists make their educated guesses; it helps them to have a point to work from. But also, let them say it exactly the way it is, that they just don't know scientifically what was going on beyond about 5,000 years ago, and that their educated guesses, ARE ONLY EDUCATED GUESSES. They really don't know.

Look, if scientists and researchers had more than a rudimentary understanding of how things work, they would have been able to double and triple our lifespan long ago. So, how can they, from a scientific standpoint, have any kind of an inkling whatsoever, about things that happened billions of years ago, or even that something like billions of years exists at all? They can't and don't. There are too many variables that they don't know about, to even have an idea as to the age of the earth.

How do we know that there are too many variables? We know it because they are looking at the variables right here among us in LIFE. And even though they can examine those variables of life that are right here among us, they still can't figure out how to make people live twice as long - say, to 200 years - to say nothing about being able to DO it. So, why do they think that they can even guess what might have happened way of over 5,000 years ago, in areas that they absolutely can't examine, because those areas are so remote to them, removed from them in time and space?

When they can extend your life to, say, 500 years old, then you can start to believe that maybe they have enough smarts that they can tell how old the earth is, beyond examining the pottery which shows that the oldest reliable records only go back 5,000 years, maybe.

Think and wake up.

Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

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I don't know that the sun does that, but if the sun does it, the process was originally created by God.

If you mean, does God involve Himself directly with each conversion, I don't know how much He has set the process on automatic where He doesn't have to involve Himself with it directly.

If you mean that deuterium can be made from hydrogen that ISN'T heavy hydrogen, I have never heard of that happening. Simply don't know.

Why do you want to know what I think about this? Or were you talking to someone else, and I answered out of turn?

We don't know as much about the sun as we think we do. The Revelation talks about an angel who is powerful enough that he/she/it is standing in the sun.

First, there isn't any neutral. But that's another subject.

I understand why you don't say anything about the scientific observations being far less evidence for popular scientific theories than they are for God. The topic title is about God, not the scientific theories.

It's fun playing, but, scientists should also do something practical with their lives, rather than trying to find God proof. It won't happen... certainly not if what is called science today is any example of the success we are having.

Complete entropy in the universe would spread all the material and energy evenly throughout all space. There would be no stars, no planets, no heavenly bodies, no earthly bodies. All the material would have dissolved into its component energy, and there would be an similarity of existence between all the parts of the universe. Whatever it would be like - we don't know enough about how the dimensions work - it all would be essentially "dead."

That's where the universe is headed. If time and the dimensions remain constant until all the material and energy get to this state, it might take untold billions of years for it to happen. Since time and the dimensions are probably in entropy the same as energy and material, it will probably speed up exponentially, until there is what could be called a reverse big bang, and then, nothing but entropy.

The point isn't the entropy. The point is, we don't have a clue as to what is powerful enough to set things up, making all things to have existence that is so completely opposite of complete entropy as we see in the universe today. The Big Bang is a proposed idea that is based on so many "ifs" and "maybes" that it is science fiction. There are only two things that fit, based on what we know: 1) we don't know; 2) God.

What you are conceptualizing is something like this kind of a heater:

When you folks in the cold country heat your house, you run some kind of fuel through a furnace, to burn it and produce heat. Think about a fuel oil fired furnace. Now, think about this. The fuel oil doesn't care at all how it is burned. As long as it is burned fairly cleanly, it will produce the desired heat.

Get yourself a little, 3 cylinder, Kabota diesel engine. Run the engine off the fuel oil. The fuel oil doesn't care. When the exhaust comes out of the engine exhaust pipe, run it through a heat exchanger, and heat your house.

At the same time, run a generator with the engine, and use the electricity to produce electric heat. Literally cut your heating bill in half.

If you are going to run a computer so hot that you have enough heat to heat your house, why waste the heat? Do what these guys are suggesting, mine bitcoins through a mining pool, and heat your house at the same time.

As I have said several times, and you can prove it to yourself through examination of the foundational scientific writings, the base for ALL understanding that the earth is more than about 25,000 years max, is in ifs and maybes. Check the books written by the scientists who have done that calculations. The say things like, "From this we can surmise that the age of the earth is ... ." The word "surmise" has to do with making an educated guess. The evidence that they use can be interpreted in ways different than the things that they say... even ways that show a young earth.

On the other hand, the more we learn about the activity of the earth and the universe, the more we see an ultra-complex machine. What we don't see is any kind of method that explains how this machine was made. ALL examination of the machine itself shows ONLY a slowing down, decaying, erosion, like a pendulum gradually going to bottom dead center. The science books that talk about these things explain it in this way.

The idea of evolution entirely contradicts the things that we see happening in nature. Evolution is a guesswork idea that flies in the face of the machinery of the universe gradually wearing down. Evolution says things increase in complexity. It is standard science that things wear out and wear down. There is nothing that shows the opposite. There is no evolution.

Machinery is built by a machine maker. The more complex the machinery, the more complex that machine maker. Any one of you, stand there and call a grain of sand into existence out of nothing. Nobody can do it, yet the stuff is here, and the so-called scientific methods suggested for where the stuff comes from are pure guesses. The evidence is overwhelmingly for a God, and a very powerful One.

There are actually refrigerators that use thermocouple action in reverse.

A thermocouple has 2 dissimilar metals welded or otherwise attached together. When heat is applied at the joint, and is convected down the metals, a current is generated in the metals. If the metals are wires attached at the ends, and only one of the ends is heated, the current flows in a circuit around the wire loop.

What is interesting is, if you induce and electric current in the wires rather than heating one of the joints, as the current flows (must be DC), heat is transferred from one of the dissimilar metal joints to the other. Refrigerators have been made that use this process, though the last thing I heard years ago was that they aren't very efficient.

Next step. Transfer an Internet signal from one computer to another, in a way that actually allows a reverse transfer of heat from the other computer to the first one.

From the article: "The un-vetted computer engineer plugged into law enforcement networks and a database of 5 million Arizona drivers in a possible breach that was kept secret for years."

http://www.propublica.org/article/lizhong-fan

What about your state or province or country?

If I understand what you are saying, God doesn't desire for man to have pain. However, if it is a choice between no pain/no salvation, take the pain and the salvation.

The reason behind it all is difficult to understand. It is the method that God is using to correct a race (humans) who turned against Him... so that they can be saved. Why this method? Can't say all the reasons. But it is the best method, or God wouldn't have done it this way.

Death is the end for all of us. We need to remain faithful to God, expecting that He will raise us from the dead in the last day, because of the salvation Jesus did on the cross, and because of the resurrection Jesus did from the grave on the third day.


Keep reading the Bible. Keep the faith strong.


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