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40381  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is dying...permanently on: August 14, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
In case nobody else told you, Lady Shazam accepts Bitcoin.

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40382  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is dying...permanently on: August 14, 2014, 03:13:18 PM
Bitcointalk is so much fun, who cares about Bitcoin anymore?

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40383  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 14, 2014, 03:03:09 PM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.

A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today.

Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today.

If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist.

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Did you know, pretty much everyone on earth, no matter what tribe or nation or whatever they come from, no matter what language they speak, no matter how remote and far from modern civilization they are, know of at least one version of the flood story?

This only makes sense because the flood is a large event that happened right before the attempt to build the tower of babel, which caused the nations to become divided because of the curse of tongues (god introduced different languages for the first time in history).

While people lost contact with each other over the years, due to long distance and language barriers, stories of the flood (largest event in human history, ever) passed on through generations. It became a story, a legend, a myth even. But people always passed it on. Some versions changed over time, lost details, added wrong details, but all in all, they have a story about the flood and most stories match with each other.

Is this not at least a tiny bit weird, if the flood was not true?

Just as important, the only clear dating of ancient pottery and such, only extends back to about 4,500 years ago. Carbon dating can't be accurate beyond then, because the nature of the earth was different prior to the Flood. So, scientific values that suggest the earth is millions of years old is completely based in nonsense.

Look at: http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm.

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40384  Other / Off-topic / Re: i hate marketers on: August 14, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
i hate those lying peace of shmuck. marketing is no science. its pure BS that parasites use to gain from the stupid selfish little ignorants that we have become. each time i meet someone working in marketing i despise him and make him understand that he is the cancer of our society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMVVaygH7U#t

You haven't really sold me on your position.

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40385  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 14, 2014, 02:41:03 PM

Who ran away from it?  It supports my position.  You and no one else can explain why socialist liberal nations with the least religion are so happy.

You are still free to make a point if you have one.  ready go.

I wasn't going to do this, but...

Religion suggests that people are not in control of their lives, that they have a higher power to answer to. Often religions suggest or say that there will be punishment for not obeying the higher power. Along with this suggestion goes the impossibility of obeying the dictates of the higher power.

On the other hand, if you have convinced yourself that there is no higher power, you don't have to worry about obeying some impossible-to-obey rules. As long as the higher power does not clearly make itself evident through the things that happen in life, you can live life thinking that the happenings are coincidences that happen to everyone, and you are happy because you don't have the fear involved with the higher power.

The point shouldn't be all about the way people feel. The point should be about REALITY. And the reality is that simple nature around us all points to the fact that a higher power exists. In addition, modern science has proven overwhelmingly that a higher power must have made the universe, simply because there is no other way. The idea of random chance existence flies so strongly in the face of the evidence that, atheism has to be a religion.

This is the one thing that atheists are way ahead of people of other religions in. They have way more faith than people of other religions. Why? Because the existence of a higher power makes way more sense than atheism. So, it takes way more faith to be an atheism believer.

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40386  Other / Off-topic / Re: The most dangerous creature of our planet on: August 14, 2014, 02:21:28 PM


Neither are Bitcoins but I can still buy a cup of coffee with them (BTC).

I'd be more than happy to sell you a cup of coffee for a bitcoin.

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Come to South Africa! I would love to buy something physical like a cup of coffee with my bitcoins. It would be the best tasting coffee ever!!!

Actually, I have a buddy who has been to several countries in Africa including S.A.  I have never been there (Africa), but we talk about it a lot. The clincher is that the economy is down enough that neither of us can afford it right now. We're working on it. Someday.

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40387  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 14, 2014, 01:33:35 PM
From Legatum: "We see, for example, that despite the tumultuous events of the last [five] years, global prosperity is actually still on the rise." Takes a long time to kill off faith in God.

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40388  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 14, 2014, 01:25:01 PM
Legatum scores the world’s countries on entrepreneurship, personal freedom, health, economy, social capital, education, safety & security, and governance.

http://media.prosperity.com/2013/pdf/publications/PI2013Brochure_WEB.pdf

Norway ranks high in economy(#1), personal freedom (#2), and safety(#6) and social capital (#1).  They are #1 in social capital.  That is to say, community, family cohesiveness.   I wonder how they rate so high as family cohevisiveness, community and safety seeing that they are the most likely people to have no religion at all?  How could a nation full of people who just dont see religion as important be happy, into community and cohesiveness, safe, and enjoy personal freedom???   All without religion?   How could that be?

Only the living. The dead would have a different opinion if they could be polled.

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40389  Other / Off-topic / Re: The most dangerous creature of our planet on: August 14, 2014, 01:21:13 PM


Neither are Bitcoins but I can still buy a cup of coffee with them (BTC).

I'd be more than happy to sell you a cup of coffee for a bitcoin.

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40390  Other / Off-topic / Re: The most dangerous creature of our planet on: August 14, 2014, 01:13:24 PM
Peace officers, otherwise know as police or cops.

http://www.copblock.org/

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40391  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 14, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
LOL  I already posted dozens of reasons why they are happy.  No hesitation.  An eglaitarian society desired after WWII was the secret.  Egalitarian - equality and equal rights for all peoples.   No religious bigotry apparantly.

again "freedom to choose the direction of their lives" came out of one of many of my links.   They apparantly chose (in majority) no religion....and yet they are among the happiest peoples on the planet.

Still cant explain that can you?

They're not happy. They just think that they are.

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40392  Other / Off-topic / Re: Places you want to travel to before you die on: August 14, 2014, 12:58:09 PM
out of the world, i want to travel in space, meeting something unique, discover new planet, life ecc...would be fabulous
If only space travel were as cool as Star Trek.  Without a faster-than-light drive of some sort (or one that at least gets close to the speed of light, as I believe that, according to our current understanding of physics, it would take an infinite amount of energy to make matter actually reach the speed of light), it would take many years just to visit neighboring stars.

A person is a wonderful thing. A group of people working together are fabulous. But why would you want to take the scourge of humanity to the stars without cleaning it up here first?

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40393  Other / Off-topic / Re: Places you want to travel to before you die on: August 14, 2014, 12:52:05 PM
At this point, I'd be happy just to be able to move the fuck out of California before the government here passes the "gun control" final solution (demociding all sane law-abiding gun owners). Every day, every categorical infringement, we inch closer to complete disarmament and gas chambers, with a complicit judiciary unwilling to rule in favor of human rights, let alone send the US Marshals to arrest the government violating them with impunity.

Stay and fight. Check the links, and tell others.

http://educationcenter2000.com/Trinsey-v-Paglario.htm

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw

http://voidjudgments.com/

http://www.broadmind.org/

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

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40394  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 01:05:28 PM
If one goes by the Bible, in many passages it is clear that God can do no moral evil.  So, when it comes to something we do not like, one either rejects the message of the Bible, or accepts it.  But to say the Bible is true, and thus God a murderer (as suggested by one in this thread) is foolish.  That is just abstaining from logic, and ignoreing context.

This is such a difficult thing to understand and say. But here goes. Remember that at the Creation, God said that He saw everything that He had created, and it was good. God loved His creation.

When wickedness was found to have entered the universe through Satan, God had a choice to make. That choice was to destroy it all, or else to save it somehow.

The choice was to save it. God sent His Son, Jesus, Who in the power of God, took the God's punishment for man. Jesus could do this, because He became a man, as well as being God.

God did a trick. He injected Himself into the universe, into the form of a man - Jesus - so that multitudes of people could be saved. It cost Jesus a lot - pain and death on the cross, along with the punishment that every person would have received for the evil that each individual does.

Now that we understand this, where is the righteousness and where is the evil? God has turned evil into righteousness through His Son, Jesus.

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40395  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: August 13, 2014, 12:54:43 PM


Such a nice lady, she "inspire" me a lot  Cheesy

I wonder how many kids she has.

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40396  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 12:44:08 PM
Some interesting words in Jeremiah where God defines what He would do as evil. Maybe people get caught up in thinking everything God does is good, instead working toward a good

Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? said the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to them.
Evil is used in two different ways even by us today.  A family loses their house in a lighting storm fire, someone may bewail that befell the family.  But, they are not using it in the same way as a family losing their house because of arson.

What has been under discussion is moral evil, rather than simply a calamity, judgement or such (as I believe you are referring to).

Check out Ezekiel 28:11-19, Ezekiel is talking to the king of Tyre, but he is really talking to Satan. When you put this together with all the other things that the Bible says about Satan, we see that Satan was trying to take over control, wrest it from God.

Now, for Satan to be as good (capable) as God, he had to create something. But there was nothing left to create, because God had already created everything. There was only ONE thing left that Satan could create that God had not created. That thing was destruction. This is why Satan is called "Destroyer" in the Revelation, in both Greek and Hebrew - Apollyon and Abaddon.

The point is, the only way God could overcome Satan is that He had to take control of "destruction," taking it away from Satan. This is the thing God has done, through Jesus. God doesn't like the idea of destruction. But He is using it better than its creator, Satan.

Ultimately, God will use it to destroy Satan. Then He will use it to destroy all the wickedness that Satan caused. All those, both people and angels, who follow Satan and his ideals will be destroyed by God, as well. Finally, God will use destruction to destroy itself, and there won't be any destruction any longer. This will come about when the New Heavens and New Earth spoken about in the Revelation, finally come into being, after the final judgment.

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40397  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 12:22:46 PM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.

A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today.

Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today.

If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist.

Smiley
Every atheist I have ever met has been joyful.  As an agnostic, I am about as happy a person you will ever meet.  My wife says I make her sick how I sing in the shower every morning no matter what.  You have no evidence atheists are not happy.

The sad part about most Christians is that you are more or less right. A Christian usually holds some form of false beliefs about Who Jesus is, what He looks like, what He meant by the things He said as recorded in the Bible, and about God, His Father. You, at least, don't hold any false ideas about God, because you acknowledge that you don't know Him.

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40398  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.

A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today.

Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today.

If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist.

Smiley
40399  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 11:46:42 AM

I am the happiest person you will ever meet. The life of every party.

Now that we have that cleared up...if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now

Atheism is a complete lie. The atheist has convinced himself that atheism exists. Yet, because the atheist has nothing that proves atheism is true, any more than any other religious person has anything that proves his religion is true, atheism is simply another religion.

The thing about atheism that is comforting to the atheist is, he knows by his religion that there is no hope. Most of the other religions offer some form of hope. Hope not experienced can leave one wondering about the exact form that the hope will present itself in. Because of this, the people of many of the other religions have turmoil about their future hope.

The atheist feels peaceful, because he knows that when it is all done, that's the end for him. You poor, hopelessly deluded atheists!

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40400  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?
you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.
Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

Essentially, NOBODY can give anything that supports his/her beliefs, except for ONE vey basic thing. That thing is, EVERYBODY lives by faith. What I mean is, NOBODY knows for a fact what will happen, even in the next second.

We trust, from experience, that life will remain stable for us. But when we examine history and happenings, we see that very often such trust is misplaced.

When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, Japanese people simply couldn't believe what had happened. It was beyond their experience. Their natural trust and faith that today would be similar to yesterday was proven faulty.

Now and again we hear about a jogger in his twenties or thirties, who for no apparent reason, simply falls over dead from a heart attack. We ALL live by faith and trust. NONE of us knows what will happen even in the next second (Hiroshim and Nagasaki). The reason that we feel like we know is because there is an inherent, basic stability in the Universe. It makes us FEEL like we know more than we really do.

Examine the Bible in detail. The history recorded therein contains a thread that runs right from the fall into sin, done by Adam and Eve, to the present. That thread is Jesus and the salvation He provides.

The history and philosophy in the Bible will prove to you that the Bible is truth. But you can't dig out the truth if you don't examine it in detail.

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