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4041  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: October 30, 2013, 11:50:42 PM
you think that mining vendors will live to see BIGGER volumes than ever? WOW...

In terms of hashrate (and thus wafer starts)



Of course unit volumes will skyrocket, almost no one is even shipping 28nm asics yet,  and current prices are at least an order of magnitude above marginal cost.
Dont tell me you thought the network was about to plateau at 5PH ?


Expect KnC maybe who already shipped ~3000 units.

Please make me understand your way of thinking. How do you expect someone to pay for NRE costs for 28nm asics and also sell miners very very cheap? I think a 28nm mask is around the sum of 1 mil $ (no ideea how much is it actually but i know it's expensive) and let's say you don't count any other cost then what company would make such an investment? How do you see such company's business plan?

a 28nm NRE is several million, plus the first wafer orders (and possibly the second order too if you want more in a reasonable time) plus the first batch of all the parts to make the box.. so you're talking minimum $5m to start production!

-- Jez

Thank you. I would really like to see Puppet do some kind of simplified business plan or actually any plan how would a company invest this minimum amount of money and how would they sell their hardware in order to cover expenses and make a healthy profit in order to have those absurd prices per TH.
4042  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: October 30, 2013, 11:42:56 PM
you think that mining vendors will live to see BIGGER volumes than ever? WOW...

In terms of hashrate (and thus wafer starts)



Of course unit volumes will skyrocket, almost no one is even shipping 28nm asics yet,  and current prices are at least an order of magnitude above marginal cost.
Dont tell me you thought the network was about to plateau at 5PH ?


Expect KnC maybe who already shipped ~3000 units.

Please make me understand your way of thinking. How do you expect someone to pay for NRE costs for 28nm asics and also sell miners very very cheap? I think a 28nm mask is around the sum of 1 mil $ (no ideea how much is it actually but i know it's expensive) and let's say you don't count any other cost then what company would make such an investment? How do you see such company's business plan?

Edit:
Take a look at the 6970. Eliminate the GPU and GDDR, and whats left is a BOM of $47 excl the asic (but including a load of stuff you dont need). But you think production cost of a monarch would be, how much exactly?

Do you think R&D is for free? Why don't you take those into your assumption? Apple increase R&D to 3% from 2% previous years...
4043  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-qt error on: October 30, 2013, 10:34:32 PM
So nobody? Do i have to put a bounty to get an answer?

It seems that only saving wallet.dat file didn't work...strange.
4044  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: October 30, 2013, 10:27:44 PM

In all likelihood, mobile socs would have lower yields (far less redundancy), more layers, and far more complicated IO. On the flip side, packaging for low wattage might be easier, but if HF could save money by using seperate chips per die, rather than packaging 4 in one MCM, Im pretty sure they would do it. Really, your low estimate is pretty high. Maybe asic vendors now cant reach that low because they dont have the volume to order directly with the fab, but at some point they will.


I haven't been paying much attention to your posts, but after this one i will. So after the many millions of $ cashed by the many ASIC vendors here and after the many scams and lost money + the 2-4(maybe more?) times as much money outside the forum you still think that the volumes will go bigger than this? People running out of money and ROI exponentially lower every day makes you think that mining vendors will live to see BIGGER volumes than ever? WOW...
4045  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: October 30, 2013, 10:09:36 PM

I don't believe that.  How is it that you got Ciara to tie their own hands and agree not to do business with any other manufacturer of crypto hardware (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "competition")?  I call bullshit.  If your agreement really were exclusive, there would be a statement by Ciara to that effect.  I can find no such statement, and of course there was no official joint press-release.



You have no intelligence to insult.

You are so full of shit I'm surprised nobody has buried you by now.

Nobody cares what you do or don't believe, because you are too stupid to do a simple fact check before accusing others of lying.

Was typing 'CIARA HASHFAST EXCLUSIVE' into Google too difficult, IE an insurmountable challenge for your retarded abilities?

Next time RTFT and get a clue before pulling the Internet Tough Guy act, so you don't get your ignorant whining face torn off again.   Kiss


Read again. He said "no official joint press-release". I think he meant that he was expecting a press-release from Ciara, not from HF's lousy PR.
4046  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Balance for individual addresses on: October 30, 2013, 11:10:43 AM
You can always use the listaccounts command. Ofcourse you'll need to add each address to one account.
And you'll need to use the command line or the console.
The following may also work.
Code:
listreceivedbyaddress 0 true

Thank you, but i find this feature useful in the main client or any other client. Why is it so hard to implement it? What is the actual process for this?

Because you can easily script something yourself using the rpc commands and get all the info you want presented the way you want.
If you don't know how to do it, pay someone. Maybe not the best idea, but it's the most practical one, I think.

From a casual user point of veiw scripting using rpc commands is almost out of discussion. Also that command is good only to see how much i received on my addresses, but if i spend money from them i still can't see how much i have left in different addresses.

It seems weird that only i have this usability problem.
4047  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-qt error on: October 30, 2013, 11:08:10 AM
I moved the wallet.dat to the default location and i deleted the "blocks" and "chainbase" folders (which were copied from my custom location) and i got this error:



I restarted bitcoin-qt and i see that it's synchronizing with network. Will update when it's finished.
4048  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin-qt error on: October 30, 2013, 07:54:48 AM
does it crash with the original datadir?

Yes. What can i do?
4049  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: October 30, 2013, 12:40:30 AM
Bitfury chips actually have 756 cores.

Sounds like they're using "unrolled" (i.e. crappy) cores.

actually the doc says double hash or 768

Not exactly, they say they say each core has two units which "share work" across one "job".  Whatever that means. Presumably a nonce range, so one chip would work on nonce 0xFFFF0001 while the other would work on 0x0001FFFF, or some other distribution.

Regardless of how they share work each "sub core" completes one hash per clock cycle so it isn't like they are only partial work engines.

So 4 * 96 * 2 = 768 hashes per clock cycle. 
At 550 Mhz that is 768 * 0.550 = 442.4 GH/s.

So making an analogy if they are using "unrolled" cores(bitfury) the chips will have 221 GH/s and the power consumption if denying refund(BFL) must be bigger by a factor of 4(BFL missed their power specs by 4 right?) achieving only 2.6W/GH Cheesy
4050  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Bitcoin-qt error on: October 29, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
I moved my bitcoin to another hdd and i run the client with the "-datadir=" option. I ran the client and let it finish downloading the blockchain then i copied my wallet.dat file to that datadir folder. Client works fine (i see balances in the client) until i try to send some money and bam error:



Any help?
4051  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 29, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Thank you KnC for the 0.98 firmware!

Edit: Also thank you ckolivas for your work! Tip incoming!
4052  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: October 29, 2013, 11:07:34 AM
You give me questions, I give them questions and try to be the go-between and get your answers.

Tacotime,

When I placed my early batch 1 order, the Dec 31st clause did not exist. It was added later.

Regardless, by law, they are required to issue a refund if requested, as we have prepaid for a product that has not shipped, and is late. I have politely requested a refund, by email, and I received a response from Hashfast denying that request.

Why are they breaking the law?

Because they have nothing to give you and you can't do anything to them since no CC or Paypal payments Smiley
4053  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: Advanced Mining Technology (AMT) on: October 29, 2013, 11:01:06 AM
Yes we're still alive, just been running around the world the bit taking care of business. We apologize for not updating this forum enough, but all and all, there's that saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, might as well..  you know the rest.

Yes we've been working very hard for the last few weeks, all is good and on track. Boards just arrived, running fine but a bit less than anticipated, we were optimistic hoping to get 64ghs per board, and we still believe we will over the next few weeks, but right now we're really running at 43-44ghs per boardwhich means we'll sink the cost in order to ad extra boards and chips to deliver the per-ordered 128's and 192's ON TIME. That should answer the speculation on that one.

We also built in upgrade options so our cases now have slots to ad extra boards so hopefully you guys will take advantage of that as well. We'll start shipping mid September orders on Monday the 4th. That includes anyone that paid via wire or btc (despite when they paid it) . For the the other guys that ordered end of the September/Early October, your miners will ship from the 4th-8th depending on when you ordered, mid October will ship by the 11th to the 14th, and so on. Making it a total of 24 to 28 days depending on when you ordered, pretty close to like we said give or take a few days. I hope everyone will make some videos and support us after they receive their miners. We'll get our videos together Tomorrow or Wednesday at latest on the 128 and 192.

Also there will be a few other updates coming soon regarding the 28nm chip, methods of payment, things like that. We're most likely not going to work with Paypal anymore because they don't protect us as a Seller nor make our lives anything but ridiculous. We want to be protected as Seller just as much as you want to be protected as a buyer, and according to a few conversations we've had with paypal, our industry is simply not protected.

And live chat is on when we have a few minutes to breath, we can't always be there, its not a 24 hour service. Seriously though we should all thank Jim for going home at night and staying on live chat/handling rhetorical support requests when he can, while Marcy (his patient wife) watches the kids.

We promise to update you a few times over the next few weeks, and at least once a week from this point forward with relevant information.

- AMT




So same problem as cryptx/burnin. They hoped for 64GH and they got 43-44GH.

You have  month typo. It's November, not September Smiley

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We're going to name a free/paid upgrade after you "RoadStress".

I got no beef with you. I'm just sick of all the mining companies that fail. Grats on your Monday shipping!
4054  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Off-Topic on: October 29, 2013, 12:16:31 AM
So until now every ASIC designer with pretty cases failed. A thing to remember.
4055  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon 60gh/s Mini - ROI time?, if ever on: October 29, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
it will produce 2.8 - 5.5 btc before power costs more than it mines.

This is assuming a profitability decline of 35% every 10.x days.   Last increase was over ~40%

What is the interval between diff increases?

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every 10.x days
4056  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where are the new Custom Hardware vendors? on: October 28, 2013, 11:47:53 PM
People are finding out it's not as easy to create a brand new product as they would have you believe, that's what's happening.  Even the people using others IP can't bring products to market (Look at Bicknellski's failed ventures) with all of the parts already laid out for them, much less create anything from scratch.

Surprise!  It actually requires skill, commitment and dedication to create a new product and bring it to market.



Hi Inaba! How many units have you shipped today?
4057  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitburner Fury - Hashrate Protection on: October 28, 2013, 11:39:08 PM
I received SEPA Transfer for hashrate protection refund and refund for missing PSU for Complete mining Kit order.
Thank you!!!

Order number?
4058  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: Advanced Mining Technology (AMT) on: October 27, 2013, 03:33:30 AM
Our design is working now , so I think AMT will manage to deliver in time

Deliver Bitfury, but fail to deliver own ASICs.

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Our Delivery dates range from Oct, 2013 to Dec, 15th depending on the time of the order.

I wonder how "October" orders feel...
4059  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitburner Fury - Hashrate Protection on: October 26, 2013, 01:58:59 PM
I run BBF at 265 at 950mV!
4060  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: October 26, 2013, 09:46:05 AM

@cedivad

As a hero member, you should know what the risks are in bitcoin land.  I didn't get KNC because I was uncomfortable with ordering  from another country.  I weighed the pros cons of HF and purchased a few BJ.   I am still hoping to get my bitcoins back.

I am more interested in getting these miniboards....  who cares about cases and power supplies.... I just want the miniboards. I will treat them like  the new GPU.


It is a too early to be talking law suits... jeeezz....  take a chil pill... smoke a joint.. have a drink... go get laid... something other then what you've been doing Wink

cedivad is refusing to listen to reason these days.

He's in a dissociative fugue state, unable to think rationally, so great is his pique and so massive his sense of entitlement.

Let cedivad bawl like a spoiled little girl told she's not getting a pony for Christmas.

Let him waste money on lawyers and time on premature FTC complaints.

Have a laugh at his expense as the brat sets his hair on fire and runs around screaming bloody murder.

When cedivad sobers up, he'll be embarrassed by his pathetic behavior. 

As he should be.  Mature adults don't melt down and go postal at the first hint of bad news or slight disappointment.

At least he didn't pull a major melt down like Xian... gotta give him props for that at the very least.

As far as exhausting the heat in the case, probably not the best idea, but not a fatal flaw if you have enough air flow in the case itself.  Sometimes you're constrained by the form factor on what you can do.  The best cooling solutions are often the most unwieldy and/or ugly.  Some people don't care about that, but a lot of people do... in fact, there's far more people that care about aesthetics than function, and if you don't believe me, take a look at Apple.  One of the richest companies out there (or the richest?), and it's all built on aesthetics as the primary motivator for their designs.



Thank you for your great insight since you are already the expert at high power ASICs.
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