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October 20, 2013, 11:27:37 PM
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what is the ROI period?

Use http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ to calculate it as it assumes a profit decline into the equation.  Roll Eyes

I got 63 days based on 6BTC @ $170ea 0.15c/kWh power but prices move every day who knows tomorrow or how long it takes to deliver?

I checked too, that's good!

Would you recommend?

That calculator assumes decrease of profitability over A YEAR and the default is set to 60%. Difficulty has been increasing 40% every 10 days or so.



...so it's not accurate?
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October 21, 2013, 12:16:33 AM
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what is the ROI period?

Use http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ to calculate it as it assumes a profit decline into the equation.  Roll Eyes

I got 63 days based on 6BTC @ $170ea 0.15c/kWh power but prices move every day who knows tomorrow or how long it takes to deliver?

I checked too, that's good!

Would you recommend?

That calculator assumes decrease of profitability over A YEAR and the default is set to 60%. Difficulty has been increasing 40% every 10 days or so.



...so it's not accurate?
If we assume ~35 10day periods in a year and compound 40% increases each period that gives roughly a 13,000,000% increase over that year.  Does 13M% increase in difficulty sound like more than 60% drop in profitability?

Of course we very likely won't see 40% increases each period over the next 12 months, however the take away should be that yes profitability will almost certainly drop far more than 60% in a year.

Please correct me if my 13m figure is off, it's been awhile since I've done much math.
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October 22, 2013, 05:00:42 AM
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what is the ROI period?

Use http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ to calculate it as it assumes a profit decline into the equation.  Roll Eyes

I got 63 days based on 6BTC @ $170ea 0.15c/kWh power but prices move every day who knows tomorrow or how long it takes to deliver?

I checked too, that's good!

Would you recommend?

That calculator assumes decrease of profitability over A YEAR and the default is set to 60%. Difficulty has been increasing 40% every 10 days or so.



...so it's not accurate?
If we assume ~35 10day periods in a year and compound 40% increases each period that gives roughly a 13,000,000% increase over that year.  Does 13M% increase in difficulty sound like more than 60% drop in profitability?

Of course we very likely won't see 40% increases each period over the next 12 months, however the take away should be that yes profitability will almost certainly drop far more than 60% in a year.

Please correct me if my 13m figure is off, it's been awhile since I've done much math.

By my calculations At $170/btc and $0.15 / kWh its going to cost more to mine than what you return after around 70 days at 40% increases, so you dont even have to look at it a full year.

Even at the rate as of this posting which is $195 / btc that would only buy you a few more days at 40% increases.

Its almost like the inital calcs were made (intentionally incorrectly) by hardware makers to help push sales.
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October 22, 2013, 05:11:35 AM
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it will produce 2.8 - 5.5 btc before power costs more than it mines.

This is assuming a profitability decline of 35% every 10.x days.   Last increase was over ~40%
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October 28, 2013, 11:51:05 PM
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it will produce 2.8 - 5.5 btc before power costs more than it mines.

This is assuming a profitability decline of 35% every 10.x days.   Last increase was over ~40%

What is the interval between diff increases?
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October 29, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
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it will produce 2.8 - 5.5 btc before power costs more than it mines.

This is assuming a profitability decline of 35% every 10.x days.   Last increase was over ~40%

What is the interval between diff increases?

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October 29, 2013, 12:36:30 AM
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it will produce 2.8 - 5.5 btc before power costs more than it mines.

This is assuming a profitability decline of 35% every 10.x days.   Last increase was over ~40%

What is the interval between diff increases?

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10.x?  10 * what?
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October 29, 2013, 01:40:16 AM
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This hardware is overpriced and a terrible investment.

60Gh will only return 3.5BTC when you factor in missing 1 jump due to 5-7 day shipping from china.

http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=390928787.63809&dcosts=8000&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=60000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=190.75&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=1&action=calc

Why would someone spend 4BTC, to only get 3.5BTC back?

Mining hardware is insanely overpriced from every manufacturer. Why? Because they wouldn't sell it unless they made more selling it then plugging it in themselves.

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