Neither are Bitcoins but I can still buy a cup of coffee with them (BTC).
I'd be more than happy to sell you a cup of coffee for a bitcoin.  |
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LOL I already posted dozens of reasons why they are happy. No hesitation. An eglaitarian society desired after WWII was the secret. Egalitarian - equality and equal rights for all peoples. No religious bigotry apparantly.
again "freedom to choose the direction of their lives" came out of one of many of my links. They apparantly chose (in majority) no religion....and yet they are among the happiest peoples on the planet.
Still cant explain that can you?
They're not happy. They just think that they are. |
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out of the world, i want to travel in space, meeting something unique, discover new planet, life ecc...would be fabulous
If only space travel were as cool as Star Trek. Without a faster-than-light drive of some sort (or one that at least gets close to the speed of light, as I believe that, according to our current understanding of physics, it would take an infinite amount of energy to make matter actually reach the speed of light), it would take many years just to visit neighboring stars. A person is a wonderful thing. A group of people working together are fabulous. But why would you want to take the scourge of humanity to the stars without cleaning it up here first? |
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If one goes by the Bible, in many passages it is clear that God can do no moral evil. So, when it comes to something we do not like, one either rejects the message of the Bible, or accepts it. But to say the Bible is true, and thus God a murderer (as suggested by one in this thread) is foolish. That is just abstaining from logic, and ignoreing context.
This is such a difficult thing to understand and say. But here goes. Remember that at the Creation, God said that He saw everything that He had created, and it was good. God loved His creation. When wickedness was found to have entered the universe through Satan, God had a choice to make. That choice was to destroy it all, or else to save it somehow. The choice was to save it. God sent His Son, Jesus, Who in the power of God, took the God's punishment for man. Jesus could do this, because He became a man, as well as being God. God did a trick. He injected Himself into the universe, into the form of a man - Jesus - so that multitudes of people could be saved. It cost Jesus a lot - pain and death on the cross, along with the punishment that every person would have received for the evil that each individual does. Now that we understand this, where is the righteousness and where is the evil? God has turned evil into righteousness through His Son, Jesus. |
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Such a nice lady, she "inspire" me a lot  I wonder how many kids she has. |
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Some interesting words in Jeremiah where God defines what He would do as evil. Maybe people get caught up in thinking everything God does is good, instead working toward a good
Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? said the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to them.
Evil is used in two different ways even by us today. A family loses their house in a lighting storm fire, someone may bewail that befell the family. But, they are not using it in the same way as a family losing their house because of arson. What has been under discussion is moral evil, rather than simply a calamity, judgement or such (as I believe you are referring to). Check out Ezekiel 28:11-19, Ezekiel is talking to the king of Tyre, but he is really talking to Satan. When you put this together with all the other things that the Bible says about Satan, we see that Satan was trying to take over control, wrest it from God. Now, for Satan to be as good (capable) as God, he had to create something. But there was nothing left to create, because God had already created everything. There was only ONE thing left that Satan could create that God had not created. That thing was destruction. This is why Satan is called "Destroyer" in the Revelation, in both Greek and Hebrew - Apollyon and Abaddon. The point is, the only way God could overcome Satan is that He had to take control of "destruction," taking it away from Satan. This is the thing God has done, through Jesus. God doesn't like the idea of destruction. But He is using it better than its creator, Satan. Ultimately, God will use it to destroy Satan. Then He will use it to destroy all the wickedness that Satan caused. All those, both people and angels, who follow Satan and his ideals will be destroyed by God, as well. Finally, God will use destruction to destroy itself, and there won't be any destruction any longer. This will come about when the New Heavens and New Earth spoken about in the Revelation, finally come into being, after the final judgment. |
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PS. I'm not an atheist. An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power. I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.
A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today. Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today. If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist. Every atheist I have ever met has been joyful. As an agnostic, I am about as happy a person you will ever meet. My wife says I make her sick how I sing in the shower every morning no matter what. You have no evidence atheists are not happy. The sad part about most Christians is that you are more or less right. A Christian usually holds some form of false beliefs about Who Jesus is, what He looks like, what He meant by the things He said as recorded in the Bible, and about God, His Father. You, at least, don't hold any false ideas about God, because you acknowledge that you don't know Him. |
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PS. I'm not an atheist. An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power. I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.
A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today. Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today. If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist. |
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I am the happiest person you will ever meet. The life of every party.
Now that we have that cleared up...if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?
Ready go....start not answering the question now
Atheism is a complete lie. The atheist has convinced himself that atheism exists. Yet, because the atheist has nothing that proves atheism is true, any more than any other religious person has anything that proves his religion is true, atheism is simply another religion. The thing about atheism that is comforting to the atheist is, he knows by his religion that there is no hope. Most of the other religions offer some form of hope. Hope not experienced can leave one wondering about the exact form that the hope will present itself in. Because of this, the people of many of the other religions have turmoil about their future hope. The atheist feels peaceful, because he knows that when it is all done, that's the end for him. You poor, hopelessly deluded atheists! |
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To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea? Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.
And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?
you are probably right. Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism. That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much. Makes perfect sense The fact other majority atheist nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship. The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights. Your people have had more than 2000 years/ You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed. Today, and in the future people understand that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same. Even today, people know you are a lying sack of shit when you say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs. Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ? Essentially, NOBODY can give anything that supports his/her beliefs, except for ONE vey basic thing. That thing is, EVERYBODY lives by faith. What I mean is, NOBODY knows for a fact what will happen, even in the next second. We trust, from experience, that life will remain stable for us. But when we examine history and happenings, we see that very often such trust is misplaced. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, Japanese people simply couldn't believe what had happened. It was beyond their experience. Their natural trust and faith that today would be similar to yesterday was proven faulty. Now and again we hear about a jogger in his twenties or thirties, who for no apparent reason, simply falls over dead from a heart attack. We ALL live by faith and trust. NONE of us knows what will happen even in the next second (Hiroshim and Nagasaki). The reason that we feel like we know is because there is an inherent, basic stability in the Universe. It makes us FEEL like we know more than we really do. Examine the Bible in detail. The history recorded therein contains a thread that runs right from the fall into sin, done by Adam and Eve, to the present. That thread is Jesus and the salvation He provides. The history and philosophy in the Bible will prove to you that the Bible is truth. But you can't dig out the truth if you don't examine it in detail. |
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Actually, I've thought of moving to Russia for a long time, now. If she will be my woman, I am on the way. Part of my ancestry is from Russia so I should be able to go. Yeah I know a pipe dream. No chick that hot is not taken, especially there. Somehow, you can see from the look on her face, and the way she holds her body, that she has character. Her character might be undeveloped, but she has it. |
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Actually, I've thought of moving to Russia for a long time, now. |
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To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea? Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.
And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?
Josef Goebells was Adolph Hilter's closest associate and propaganda minister who said (paraphrased).... "Keep repeating the lie... eventually the people will believe it's the truth..". And the only way you can determine what is lie and what is not is to examine the contents and compare them with what is going on around you. As soon as you see somebody censuring your examination, you can bet there are lies involved. You can't tell what the truth is without making careful examination. |
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Your entire childish argument revolves around everyone believing ..... "If The Bible is True..."
You refuse to acknowledge that The Bible has been proved to be nothing but a sack of shit.
Only a mentally and emotionally like you continues debate using The Bible as if it were relevent.
You can not use one fairy tales to prove another fairy tale real.
I know that you,refuse to understand that fact, but you are the only person in the room who is so utterly stupid to refuse to accept it.
The philosophical writings of the Bible fit people better than any other writings. There is a far larger variety of philosophy in the Bible than anywhere else. So far, everything in the Bible has proven to be true. If you consider the Bible to be "nothing but a sack of shit," then you are expressing that people are "nothing but a sack of shit." This is true about people. The Bible is different, because the whole idea of the Bible is to give people a way out of being shitty, through salvation by Jesus. |
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People reject God not nations. Nations today are just different forms of govt, i can't seem to get that through to you. Jesus said nation will rise up against nation not naming them or saying one is a chosen nation
You speak something dangerous here. Why and How? You might love God and other people with all your heart. But put it into practice by not paying your income taxes any longer. The bankers are using your tax money to destroy peoples and nations around the world. And it is partially your fault 'cause you help support the bankers through your income taxes. If God destroys the America for their vicious cruelty expressed through their support of the bankers, you won't survive either. In the event you don't fall into the above, American classification, check out and be sure that whoever you are doesn't fit some nation. Palestine is having problems as a nation, not as individuals. |
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Believing in the Buddha has really led those monks down the path of evil hasnt it? Seriously that may have been the dumbest thing you have ever said. And in the long litany of that has come off your keyboard there is some stiff competition for the award. I suppose you will be the first person to volunteer to put those evil bastards to death.
The evil of believing in the Buddha isn't in the fact of the good living that they proclaim. It is in the fact that they think that anybody can ever be good enough to live forever one way or another. Eternal life isn't something mystical. Rather, it is something ultra-scientific. It is logical. For example, if you could take all the pollution out of our lives, and add only wholesome foods, destroy the inherent degradations in our cells, and think only pure thoughts, we could live for a long time - maybe hundreds of years. The problem is, we don't know what it is like to do this. Buddhism goes in that direction somewhat. The problem with Buddhism is that it doesn't, can't, go far enough, just like Hinduism. While Christianity doesn't go as far as Buddhism and Hinduism in the actual living, practical operations, Christianity goes all the way in preparing people for eternal life. God is ultimately going to destroy this universe because of the evil that has come about in it; God can't stand even the tiniest bit of evil. He is offering us a method in faith in Jesus to gain eternal life in the New Universe He is creating... a Universe that will have no evil in it, no flaws, no capability for potential mistakes, yet freedom, love, and goodness for all who live therein. You are free to make your choice. God might entice you, He might call to you, He slap you around a little, all so that you wake up and join with Him. He is the only way to eternal life. He is doing it for your own good. No matter what you think, history makes it obvious that everyone dies in this life. At least giver yourself a chance. Turn to God. why dont you tell us the context in which an instruction to kill women and children for a belief in another god is OK? Can you do that or will you do the normal thing and allude to some hidden context in some scripture whereby we are supposed to use our ESP to figure out exactly what you might be referring to? I really dont need a response like...."you clearly ignored the context in Chapter/verse" orthe above ":note that you refuse to consider context". Ive heard you say shit like that now for days without actually ever explaining the context that might make murdering people OK. Tell us the context where killing women and children for a belief is OK and dont simply allude to it. When is it OK for me to put my neighbor to death for believing in another god? Why was it OK for people to do it back then? If context matters so much, why have you not yet shared the context that can make killing others for their beliefs acceptable? This seems to be the thrust of your argument...so fucking make it already!!! I anxiously await a detailed description of the exact context that makes it OK to kill people for their beliefs. Do you understand the concept of family? Look at the mafia, for example. If you kill off the parents because God instructs you to, because they won't accept God, you better be ready to completely brainwash the children into not accepting their parents. If you don't, they will rise up someday, and revert to their parents' faulty beliefs, and kill off you and your whole family. The context is God. And additional context is self-defense. |
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More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
Actually, if you read the account, it was not for having a 'different faith'. But, lets go with your error and again ask - what determines that something is murder? Some folks think aborting babies is murder - not all. Some folk think the government executing murderers or rapists is murder - other folkd do not. What makes your interpretation of murder the correct one? Believing in a different god is having a different faith. Believing anything differently means having a different faith. It is not an error. Deuteronomy says (God to Moses) kill people who worship other gods. Worshiping other gods means your faith is different. How many ways do I have to explain something so simple to you? Ah, you are saying this is an objective truth that transcends what humans think? Hmm, interesting.So, what is this source of absolute truth? The absolute truth is found in God. Love God above all things, and your neighbor as yourself. Sometimes loving God above all things might include destroying other people. Sometimes destroying them might be the best thing you can do for them. but be darn sure that you KNOW that it is the best. |
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More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
Actually, if you read the account, it was not for having a 'different faith'. But, lets go with your error and again ask - what determines that something is murder? Some folks think aborting babies is murder - not all. Some folk think the government executing murderers or rapists is murder - other folkd do not. What makes your interpretation of murder the correct one? Believing in a different god is having a different faith. Believing anything differently means having a different faith. It is not an error. Deuteronomy says (God to Moses) kill people who worship other gods. Worshiping other gods means your faith is different. How many ways do I have to explain something so simple to you? Yet, the nations that God directed Moses to destroy, were peopled by people who were turning further and further from God, from the truth of life. So, the destruction was a good thing for them. It only hastened the place where they were going anyway, and gave them peace sooner. |
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