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4141  Economy / Economics / Re: Goodbye Poloniex, Hello bitfinex on: June 28, 2016, 12:30:55 PM
When bitcoin crashed from $750 to $650 bitfinex was offline for that entire time and people got hosed. Be careful.
4142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Which country will be next to alight from the sinking EU ship? on: June 28, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Main European indices 2 days after Brexit:

4143  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Massive capital injections into Bitcoin are (eventually) good for other crypto. on: June 28, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
Since there is no fiat onramp for any other cryptocurrency other than Bitcoin, we should welcome soaring Bitcoin prices because it means that new actual value is being injected into the crypto ecosystem.  Without this new value injection, we will all be competing for the same sloshing pool of value in perpetuity.  Eventually that value entering the Bitcoin ecosystem will also find its way into other blockchains as well.  
  


Broadly agree - however because of the blocksize debate, there has been a trend for some exchanges to offer alt/fiat pairs. For example you can buy LTC and Ether with fiat on Kraken. If that spreads, then one prop for bitcoin gets removed.
4144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Which country will be next to alight from the sinking EU ship? on: June 28, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
I voted for Italy.

Their economy has literally not grown since 1999 when they joined the euro. They have elections next year and the Five Star Movement which aims to take them out of the EU and euro looks to win. (Five star won the majorship of Rome recently).

The EU is basically just not working for Italy and they need to jump ship to survive, or resign themselves to dying within the EU. They still have some life in them, so i predict they will jump.
4145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Google proves Brexit is just a dumb and emotional action on: June 27, 2016, 06:32:15 PM


The British agriculture is mostly dead. The sector employs just around 1.5% of the British workforce, and this proportion has been going down for the past many years. The agricultural production is on the decline, as GM products from the US are flooding the local markets. Still... the Brexit referendum will have no effect on trade with the US.

Actually, according to the New York Times, last month Britain exported the biggest tonnage of wheat to the USA in twenty years - all thanks to the pound falling as the Leave side moved ahead in the polls. That should improve even more this month.

I personally know of a business that exports healthcare software to the Caribbean that is over the moon at the pound falling - the Caribbean dollar is pegged to the USD and when they buy British stuff it converts back to 8% more sterling. If your costs are in sterling but earnings are in dollars or anything pegged to dollars, this is a windfall.
4146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The destruction of the UK has started on: June 27, 2016, 02:32:57 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/nicola-sturgeon-new-scottish-referendum-brexit

Nicola Sturgeon: Scottish parliament could block Brexit
Scotland’s first minister says she will consider asking MSPs to vote down legislation needed for UK to leave the EU

LOL! What will happen first? The UK leaving the EU or Scotland leaving the FUK?

She hasn't got the legal authority, Holyrood is a sort of glorified county council - and all her posturings in the last couple of days have been about delusions of grandeur (nothing new, she pays herself more than the Prime Minister for looking after fixed spending for the 5 million Scots, whereas the PM looks after 65 million people with responsibility for tax, defence and foreign policy).

Brussels has already told her that they won't negotiate with her, and only if and when Scotland is independent will they talk to her. She doesn't want to call a referendum though because the majority of Scots say they don't want one, they want to wait to see how Brexit actually pans out before making a decision.
4147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does ETH debacle prove the importance of marketing? on: June 27, 2016, 12:56:57 PM
Marketing has played a huge part in Ether's rise and it's "apparent" stability. Just before the DAO got launched every one who had ever posted on the r/bitcoin and r/bitcoinmarkets got spammed with personal messages about Ether.

It was effective in that that's how I first found out about Ether and DAO - through spam! So while people were annoyed at the spamming, and deleted the messages, it was effective in that it drew their attention to something they hadn't heard of before.

As for the price now - it's down to teh sunk cost fallacy. People are holding on to their coins for the same reason those who bought BTC in 2014 for $1000 are holding. They don't want to crystallise a loss.
4148  Other / Politics & Society / Re: All the EU exiters should start a trading community on: June 27, 2016, 12:04:01 PM
Yes just start our own EU...

He was jesting, because the European Economic Area already exists (and Norway and Iceland are members). The problem with the EEA is that at the moment it gets bullied by the EU - of course if big members joined the EEA, the balance of power would then shift.
4149  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase has partnered with Paypal - Officially! on: June 27, 2016, 11:12:45 AM
Bitcoin don't need PayPal. I am really surprise why they are taking this decision lately, indeed PayPal will be more benefited.
By the way it would help bitcoin can join the mainstream in near future then hopefully bitcoin will replace paypal indirectly.

It is to do with customer choice. Coinbase has an interface between bitcoin and the banking system - they've now created one between bitcoin and paypal.

Of course if you could simply pay for everything with bitcoin, you wouldn't need these interfaces - but we can't, the blocks are full, and we need these offchain intermediaries for it all to work.
4150  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin was ‘Good as Gold’ in the Brexit on: June 27, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/27/bitcoin-good-gold-brexit/

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With the Brexit being the worst one-day global financial crash since the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in 2008, Bitcoin gained a tremendous amount of credibility as a safe haven asset that is “good as gold.”

...The British pound nose-dived by 11 percent and UK stocks plummeted 8 percent. A worldwide financial terror caused European stocks to tank by 6 to 8 percent, Asian stocks to tumble by 5 to 10 percent, and U.S. stocks to take a 5 percent hit.

But according to Lee Adler of the Wall Street Examiner, “In the six hours or so from when the [Brexit] results started to trickle in (about 7 p.m. EDT) until it was obvious that the Brexit had become a reality, the Bitcoin price spiked up by about 8.8 percent…”. The move up essentially “mirrored” the 8 percent jump in the price of gold.

Barry Silbert, founder and CEO of the Digital Currency Group and the creator of the Bitcoin Investment Trust, tweeted just moments after the vote: “This is Bitcoin’s coming out party as a global safe-haven investment. Amazing.”
4151  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin was ‘Good as Gold’ in the Brexit on: June 27, 2016, 10:58:14 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/27/bitcoin-good-gold-brexit/

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With the Brexit being the worst one-day global financial crash since the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in 2008, Bitcoin gained a tremendous amount of credibility as a safe haven asset that is “good as gold.”

...The British pound nose-dived by 11 percent and UK stocks plummeted 8 percent. A worldwide financial terror caused European stocks to tank by 6 to 8 percent, Asian stocks to tumble by 5 to 10 percent, and U.S. stocks to take a 5 percent hit.

But according to Lee Adler of the Wall Street Examiner, “In the six hours or so from when the [Brexit] results started to trickle in (about 7 p.m. EDT) until it was obvious that the Brexit had become a reality, the Bitcoin price spiked up by about 8.8 percent…”. The move up essentially “mirrored” the 8 percent jump in the price of gold.

Barry Silbert, founder and CEO of the Digital Currency Group and the creator of the Bitcoin Investment Trust, tweeted just moments after the vote: “This is Bitcoin’s coming out party as a global safe-haven investment. Amazing.”
4152  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Coinbase accepting Credit cards and Paypal on: June 27, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
So I just received an email about their blog post : https://blog.coinbase.com/2016/06/22/coinbase-adds-support-for-paypal-and-credit-cards/
It seems like they are now accepting Paypal for Bitcoin sells and Credit cards for buying Bitcoin. Paypal is only for US users at the moment so I want to ask about the Credit card service , is it worldwide ? If it's the case then what are the fees and how good they are compared to Virwox please ?

Interesting that Paypal is only for bitcoin sells - they are cleverly limiting their risks (people won't be able to try the paypal buyer-dispute scam on them).
4153  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BREXIT WON, you aren't alone on: June 27, 2016, 10:35:11 AM
We didn't do alright, we poured £millions every day into the EU to bail out Germany and other countries, and got nothing of value in return.



This. People voted rationally - they weighed what we were putting in, and what we got out and made a sensible decision. BTW the Dutch are in a similar position - they are pouring money into the EU and getting very little out - I wouldn't be surprised if they decided they want out too.
4154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: UK leaving EU is a peoples revolution on: June 26, 2016, 07:59:29 PM
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No benefits from the EU??? And what about the international exchange of students? What about research? What about tourism? What about international regulation?

All of that can be done and has been done for centuries without the help of a massive beauracratic organisation like the EU, the idea that you actually need them to do this is a complete lie, because, by your own logic, the world simply wouldn't have advanced before the days of the EU.

This this this.

The EU is dying - started dying when Merkel took over Germany in 2005 and started throwing her weight around.

It is a matter of time before it disintegrates, and the UK was smart to get out before it all tumbles down.
4155  Economy / Speculation / Re: Halvening 99% ready, rocket only 2 weeks to go before moon launch!! on: June 26, 2016, 04:06:22 PM
This is looking like the period prior to the Litecoin halvening - a massive pump, and some people took profits, halting the pump. Once the momentum was gone, literally nothing happened when the halvening took place.
4156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Google proves Brexit is just a dumb and emotional action on: June 26, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/leave-remain-brexit-uk-google-trends-what-is-eu-european-union-referendum-what-happens-now

"What is the EU?" is the second top UK question on the EU since the #EURefResults were officially announced

Voters on the day of the referendum were uninformed and didn't take into consideration the real situation. I'm not saying it's why there was a Brexit, because nothing proves that people voting "leave" were the most googling this questions (no data can exist on such affirmation).
It just proves that Britains were not informed on the day they voted, that they didn't grasp the importance of the situation and that they made a hastly, unthought decision.



I would say those are under 18's who were doing assignments on it in school on Friday.

You guys know that kids use Google too, right?

Well if you look at the leave campaign and here at the brexit threads ( under the premise that the ppl who said  that they are UK inhabitants really are) i think moglie's post is pretty much spot on.

There was an opinion poll out yesterday which showed Leave voters were happy with their decision. All adult voters in Britain know what the EU is because we've been literally arguing about it for forty years, constantly. It has been in every newspaper, every day, for forty years.

The people who might not know are the kids in school on Friday doing assignments on the exciting developments unfolding, and some of our non-EU migrant workers who were probably wondering how it all affected them.

I get that some Europeans are terrified that the UK has lit a fire under them, but this decision is final. Britain is fed-up to the back teeth of the EU. The EU is also wrong for our economy - we specialise in financial services, but they've been refusing to allow a single market in financial services for 40 years, mainly because they fear British companies will crowd out local firms. So we lose nothing from extricating ourselves from the corpse that is the EU. Getting out now before the rotting corpse explodes and spews stink everywhere is the smart thing to do.
4157  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The FTSE after Brexit on: June 26, 2016, 03:16:26 PM
I expect there will be lots of ups and down to come. Markets are nervous nellies and love a bit of drama.

We've been through worse in the past. You should have seen the markets during WW2, WW1, and during the Black Death. And don't get me started on the Great Fire of London, the Reformation and War with the Spanish Armada. Roiled the markets, all of them!  Grin
4158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Google proves Brexit is just a dumb and emotional action on: June 26, 2016, 03:13:36 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/leave-remain-brexit-uk-google-trends-what-is-eu-european-union-referendum-what-happens-now

"What is the EU?" is the second top UK question on the EU since the #EURefResults were officially announced

Voters on the day of the referendum were uninformed and didn't take into consideration the real situation. I'm not saying it's why there was a Brexit, because nothing proves that people voting "leave" were the most googling this questions (no data can exist on such affirmation).
It just proves that Britains were not informed on the day they voted, that they didn't grasp the importance of the situation and that they made a hastly, unthought decision.



I would say those are under 18's who were doing assignments on it in school on Friday.

You guys know that kids use Google too, right?
4159  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Spain calls for co-sovereignty on Gibraltar on: June 25, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...
4160  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The destruction of the UK has started on: June 25, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
I don't think anyone English will give a toss if it Scots leave. They have a budget deficit of 10% of GDP and the English taxpayer has to plug the gap.

However for that very reason the Scots are unlikely to leave - it is not as though the EU will give them money to plug their budget gaps.

Same goes for Northern ireland. 26% of NI's GDP is made up of public spending by the English. Again England would cheer if they left, but that is the very reason they won't leave.

And so the UK soldiers on for another 300 years.
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