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4181  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 13, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
Wie sicher ist ein 16 Stelliges Brainwallet mit Großbuchstaben, Kleinbuchstaben und Sonderzeichen?
Hat da jemand technische Infos zu?

Kommt darauf an ob die Zeichen rein zufällig ausgewählt sind oder ob ein Mensch sie sich ausdenkt.

Wenn sie zufällig ausgewählt sind hast du ca. 96 bit entropie (16*6). Viele empfehlen 128 bit. Ich würde mehr Zeichen memorisieren als nur 16 und ganz wichtig: am besten auswürfeln, nicht selbst wählen und meinen das sei dann "zufällig ausgewählt".
4182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 13, 2014, 08:27:07 PM
But nevertheless, some shifting from gold into BTC could boost the price.

This has most likely already happened to some extent. A lot of the goldbugs "woke up" to Bitcoin last year. Not sure how many of them actually had the balls to put in so much that it required them to sell metal, though, but it's quite possible it was a few of them considering the metal markets hadn't been as much fun as they used to.
4183  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2014, 08:15:09 PM
the bearishness can you feel it?  Cheesy

I can feel it, yes.

I almost sold in panic at the recent bottom. Might be a sign the bottom is in, but the panic was still manageable, so maybe we have some ways to go yet.

??!??!??!??

lol

maybe I should clarify: When I say "I sell", I really mean: sell my trading stash (or part thereof), which is about 5% of my coins.

So I never sell more than 5%.

EDIT: although I've been trying to change that as per rpietilas divestment strategy... but it's hard.
4184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2014, 08:07:12 PM

I am so fucking pissed at this bitch right now.
She could as well ask for banning all fiat money because dealers on the streets use it... Some people are insanely idiots.  Undecided

Dude, she just lost her son, of course she will be irrational. Don't blame her for having emotions, blame the idiots that overreact to this shit, i.e. politicians and the media.

She attacked something I like. That is not a safe place to stand ...

Her 21 year old son. An adult, capable of making his own decisions without any influence from anyone else decided to use an anonymous website to buy his cocaine with bitcoin instead of driving to his local crack alley to buy some.

I'm sure this was the first time he had ever decided to use? I'm sure he had never done anything like this before? It's only because of bitcoin he turned to doing drugs right?

Also: noone has ever died from drugs (or food) before Bitcoin.
4185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
the bearishness can you feel it?  Cheesy

I can feel it, yes.

I almost sold in panic at the recent bottom. Might be a sign the bottom is in, but the panic was still manageable, so maybe we have some ways to go yet.
4186  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin Buchhaltung fifo, lifo,... (scripte etc, work in progress) on: January 13, 2014, 08:34:33 AM
guckt mal:

https://bitcointaxes.info/

cool, leider nur für USA.
4187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2014, 08:13:49 AM
These bots and 0% exchanges don't help to see any market trends. You can't see if there are more people buying into bitcoin or leaving the market, because the biggest volume is from bots.
Bots are people too. They have money to lose and they want to make profits from trading. Just like human traders too.

this!

Stop complaining about bots. As long as they aren't naked, they are just as "legitimate" as people.
4188  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 13, 2014, 08:07:12 AM
Also, if many wealthy bitcoiners will do it, that will really shake up the gold market and maybe expose all his manipulations, and manipulators..

Some perspective on this:

if 10% of the "value" of Bitcoin (1 Billion USD) was moved to gold, that would be around 25 metric tons (not even taking into account the price-depressing effect of such a sale on the BTC/USD markets).

Compare that to monthly gold imports of China:



So this would equate about a weeks worth of supply for China. Hardly going to "shake up" that market.

If on the other hand 10% of golds value (650 Billion USD) was put into bitcoin, that would probably push bitcoin price to around USD 85,000.

So if both things (bitcoiners diversifying into metals and gold bugs getting into crypto) happen to an equal extent, the effect on bitcoin will be much larger than that on gold.
4189  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 13, 2014, 07:46:04 AM
Ihr meint doch nicht ernsthaft, dass BTC eine staatliche Währung tatsächlich ablösen wird.... Ich brech ab ^^

OT:
Das glaubt wohl niemand ernsthaft. BTC werden nie staatliche Währung werden.

Aber was wird aus unseren Nationalstaaten in Zukunft? Vielleicht gibt's ja mal die Trennung von Staat und Geld ;-)
4190  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 13, 2014, 07:45:15 AM
Zum (Off-)Topic: Irgendwie hecheln hier alle so schwarz-weiß gemalten Schreckensbilder hinterher. Ich vermute eher, dass € und BTC erstmal brav koexistieren werden. Und mit "erstmal" meine ich sicherlich mehrere Jahrzehnte. Ihr meint doch nicht ernsthaft, dass BTC eine staatliche Währung tatsächlich ablösen wird.... Ich brech ab ^^

Hehe. Ich meine noch ganz andere Sachen welche du wahrscheinlich in deinen wildesten Träumen nicht für möglich halten würdest, aber das gehört jetzt hier nicht her, da geb ich dir recht.

Außerdem ist eine Koexistenz doch vollkommend ausreichend? Ich verstehe nicht, warum der BTC - so viele Vorteile er in der Theorie bieten mag - einen Absolutheitsanspruch stellen sollte?

Wieso Absolutheitsanspruch? Allerdings könnte es durchaus sein, daß sich in einem "freien Geldmarkt" eine Hauptwährung durchsetzt... so ähnlich wie derzeit in der cryptocurrency-welt. Sag ja nicht daß es crypto sein wird, aber es könnte durchaus sein, oder?

Warum sollte jemand, der die Vorzüge von crypto erkannt hat auf einmal einem EUR 2.0 oder SDR (special drawing rights) oder sonst einer neuen fiat-währung vertrauen schenken. Crypto hat einfach die besseren Eigenschaften, und wenn unser dezentralisiertes Geld mal seinen Kinderschuhen entwachsen ist, dann ist es auf Dauer einfach das bessere Geld.

Allein die Tatsache, dass die aktuelle Vermögensverteilung des BTC durchaus eine krass abschreckende Wirkung auf Außenstehende haben kann, sollte nicht unterschätzt werden.

Die Vermögensverteilung in der "echten Welt" ist auch nicht anders:



Der thread aus dem ich das Bild hab ist übrigens recht interessant, für denjenigen, der ihn nicht kennt vielleicht lesenswert.
4191  Economy / Goods / Re: Bitcoin Community Gives Back! on: January 13, 2014, 07:25:02 AM
Cool idea.

What's the current estimated market value of that house? You bought it for $50k, but how much could you potentially sell it for today?
4192  Economy / Speculation / Re: large opportunity for Bitcoin on: January 12, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
^And then all of a sudden, they'll find they cut themselves out of it all

hehe,

4193  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 12, 2014, 08:48:31 AM
Great find. I was a gold bug until I discovered Bitcoin, but this is almost enough to make me a gold bug again!


hehe. I think I will continue my (small-scale, both in absolute and also relative terms) diversification from BTC into the metals once BTC price surpasses 1 oz of gold again.
4194  Local / Presse / Re: Presseberichte / Bedeutsame Erwähnungen on: January 12, 2014, 08:46:42 AM

Jo, vor nem Jahr ging's immer nur ums mining. Jetzt geht's immer nur um den Wertanstieg. Vielleicht geht's in nem Jahr dann mal um die Technik und die Möglichkeiten, wenn entsprechende Services existieren (und mit der aktuellen Aufmerksamkeit sieht's ja eigentlich ganz gut dafür aus.)

aantonop meint 2014 wird das jahr in dem es um die technischen Möglichkeiten gehen wird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnYLOg0QR18
4195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 12, 2014, 08:09:46 AM
Might be old news for some/most here, but for me this was a very interesting and informative video:

When Gold and Silver Go Into Hiding


The video explains this system:



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The gold-backed dollar hasn't died, it has only changed its form

and what it's supposedly inevitable failure will lead to

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And so we're faced with a couple of possibilities: either the gold price rises substantially or the futures market breaks. In the case of the latter there will be no more backing of the petro-dollar by gold and the price discovery mechanism will stop functioning. In this event gold will stop flowing altogether, as will oil. But both will be priceless in dollars because the value of the dollar truly will go to zero.
4196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
I have so much fiat Cry
Patience!

All my targets were hit here, waiting for some nice dips.  Cheesy

You say we are going lower now? Still don't buy this rally, huh? I take it you are looking for lower lows and an eventual breakdown?

I dont buy it.

but i have to admit i'm scared.


You once said to me it takes insight and courage to become a bear (or something along those lines). Maybe same is true for becoming a bull?
4197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
Anyway anybody with half a brain probably gets it by looking at this chart:


Of course when you purposefully deny the possibility that what the economic collapse next week bloggers tell you is wrong you might choose to ignore it.

Lol, that article is a hoot.  For instance:

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Or, rather, all the money that's been created is sequestered from the actual economy and may as well not exist for most purposes.

That chart shows the monetary base expansion under TARP and QE1,2,3.  The money is used to buy gov't bonds or other financial assets.  That is the official claim from the Fed.  Either the Fed is lying or the author is an idiot.  If the author is correct, the Fed is lying.  In this case, the money is probably parked in the banks waiting to cover a massive, anticipated run on bank accounts.  Chances are, however, that the author is a moron and the money is simply being injected into the world economy at some unknown rate.

Even if the FED is lying and the author is an idiot the US doesn't appear to head into an area of hyperinflation.
And actually there is an article which explains what the FED actually think it is doing, it's too complicated for me but since you claim to know all about economics perhaps you get something out of it.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/current_issues/ci15-8.pdf

Inflation is inevitable once that money fully enters into circulation.  Precisely where that money went and what it's being used for is not a matter of public knowledge.  But you can bet that it won't just sit somewhere.  All the goldbugs are saying is "They created a tremendous amount of money over a very short period and it will eventually be used.  The question is when and how."

I think I'm not understanding this... doesn't that article state that the bulk of the money (difference between red and blue line) is parked at the fed as "excess reserves"? Does the fed use it for something or does it just sit there? If it just sits there it seems to indeed be a matter of public knowledge, no?
4198  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 11, 2014, 10:30:57 PM
guckt mal wie gut die fibonacci-retractments passen:



erstaunlich, wie ich finde.

kannst du mir ja nächsten Monat mal erklären Wink

haha, ich hab keine Ahnung wie oder wieso das funzt. Aber man sieht deutlich wie der Kurs sehr oft an der 61.5%, der 50% und der 38.2%-linie "abprallt". Einfach mal selber benutzen (bitstamp auf hourly (1h) schalten und dann das fibonacci-tool (oben rechts) vom hochpunkt ($995) bis zum low bei $765 runterziehen.
4199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2014, 07:49:39 PM
Bitcoin keeps waking me up in the middle of the night. What's it doing? What's going on? I'll just check the price on my phone. Oh, and now that I'm up I may as well check the wall and a few graphs... Oh, now I want to stay up and see if there is a price spike at 5:00 AM like has been happening lately... Who needs sleep...

you should really turn off that volatility alert or what you have there. Sleep is important. Maybe put some stop-loss or use some bot so you don't need to be awoken by some bag of rice falling over in China?
4200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2014, 01:16:53 PM


coffee anyone?
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