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421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 08, 2013, 08:57:19 PM
Those would definitely work, but that seems a costly and time consuming solution, and as you mention, downtime is a big deal...



I've used these in several custom builds. They're loud at max voltage, but they relocate a whole lot of air. Obviously they're very directional.

http://www.nidecamerica.com/gamma30/gamma30.htm
422  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: September 08, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Obviously. Umm...why?
423  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 08, 2013, 07:20:58 PM
No they are not scam yet. They are trying to deliver their products faster.

Ugh.
424  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 08, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
As far I know people are getting their devices now. So, how they are scam?

...because many ordered them over FOURTEEN months ago and they use over 4x the power originally claimed. If you paid in June of 2012 with BTCs @ $6 you'd have staggering losses that will never be recovered. A 1.5Th/s minirig was over 5000BTC in June of 2012. Nobody has their complete order yet. Do the math on that. It's scary.
425  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: September 08, 2013, 05:52:36 PM
Anyone got another side for hashrate charts? http://www.asicminercharts.com/live/ not working atm?

use bitcoinwatch

then view the chart,  currently its 9% for AM and network runs at 693TH

so 9% of 693TH = 62.57TH AM miner currently Smiley  nothing changed

edit: before it was at 5% , then 4, then 6, then10, then 7, then 5 Tongue  then 10, then 9 now Tongue  , might go down again

I think this has already been covered a couple times, but I'll try again anyway. AM has been talking about franchising for some while now and as a result those charts may not work properly. Recently we've seen coins dumped into the mining wallet from external wallets, which looks like possible franchised mining revenue. Either way those hashrate estimation charts are based upon blocks found so there's a huge random component involved.
426  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: I have $40,000 to invest on: September 08, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
If you want to dabble in mining hardware then bitfury 55nm products for Oct delivery = easy decision. Ignore all the 28nm magical unicorn powered ASIC hype until someone actually makes a real live tangible product AND ships it...hold the vapors. Even then, do not be drawn into a long lead time order queue, these are ROI meat grinders with massive risk and little associated upside at this point.

Exchange some fiat for bitcoin and then exchange some bitcoin for litecoin. Something along the lines of a 90/10 BTC/LTC split. Ignore all the other alts.

Then if you're really feeling adventurous down the road and have done mass quantities of research you can deploy some portion of your cryptos and invest in a few established crypto securities. If you do this last then do so in an absolutely sterile emotionless fashion(or as near as you can manage). This is the unregulated wild west and there are people all over that attempt to cause large price swings just to shake out weak hands and increase their profits at others' expense.

Best of luck whatever you decide.
427  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 08, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
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Welcome to ignore jerk.

I think he may be the mayor there.  He got my vote this morning, also.

Called me "Josh" the other day, then dribbled all over his PC today when I returned the favor.

Blaming the victims of a scammer is ridiculous. Those that did their homework in 2012 detected and sidestepped bfl's thievery completely, but that doesn't make it right to slam on people that understandably ordered after bfl claimed their issues were behind them and that they were IN FULL PRODUCTIONTM. Bfl has looted so many because they're professional crooks and they're exceedingly good at it. Those that think it's the fault of the victims should probably read up on this and other associated conditions and seek help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
428  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 08, 2013, 03:26:40 PM
I actually got the Single I ordered more then 13 months ago. It hashes 55 instead of 60 but whatever, I'm happy to at least have it...

13 months of waiting, this is not for me  Cheesy

But congratulation, it seems you will get the money back beause next month the difficulty will skyrocket with KNC units

14 month here but it is here. 7 days from US to UK standard shipping lol. I feel sorry for people who payed and extra 312£ like retards for 'express shipping' that comes in about a month haha.

I got lucky, i know that. And ill have ROI by end of this month, a little into next maybe. I only paid $1300 for 60GH so im also not a mug like these people paying $2,600 either for 50GH! As i say, if you ordered in 2013 YOU DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET! (Nothing that is)

What a cruel thing to say to other victims of the same scam you fell into. Welcome to ignore jerk.
429  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 08, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
Waiting for a drop to buy in again. Watch there not be one... just my luck.

So buy a call option. Then you needn't count on luck.
430  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs announcing new preorder marketplace on: September 08, 2013, 02:19:32 PM
Will it work like this?

Alice Ellen Krauss (AEK) pays 20 BTC ($12 USD each) in September of 2012 for a 5Gh/s miner preorder.
Tired of waiting in September of 2013, AEK sells her preorder to Carol Grace Miller (CGM) for 3BTC ($120 each), figuring she's $100 ahead, or so.

So AEK gives 20 BTC to the middleman in 9/12.
CGM gives 3 BTC to AEK in 9/13, and AEK calls it quits.

Who's the middleman between AEK and CGM that keeps the other 17 BTC, which are now worth about $2000 total?

Theoretically these were liquidated by bitpay when AEK placed the original order and the proceeds, less fees, were sent on to bfl, but we don't know with any degree of certainty as bfl has never(to my knowledge) defined their arrangement with bitpay.
431  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 08, 2013, 02:04:46 PM
I'd be concerned about friedcat stealing the thunder. Who knows what he's going to do with those ad spots he just bought.
432  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here? on: September 08, 2013, 01:21:14 PM
Dang. Yer rite, I got it stuck in my head there were 10 spots up for auction. Undecided
433  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here? on: September 08, 2013, 05:27:54 AM
Thank you theymos. Take back any bad things I thought about you. Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=284843.msg3105242#msg3105242
434  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: September 08, 2013, 04:42:54 AM
Rut Roh Looks like FC is looking to get the word out about something. Grin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=284843.msg3105051#msg3105051

...and after Josh had fought so hard for those 3 spots too. Cry
435  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 08, 2013, 04:19:41 AM
I think that probably explains AsicMiner's decline, the value (IMO) is declining because people are selling AM to buy ActM and Labcoin. Even though AM has been around longer, the fact is the price/reward ratio between AM and Labcoin are way out of whack.  AM and Labcoin both have 130nm chips, with faster ones on the way. There's no reason for AM to have 50-60 times the market cap.  At 2.1 and 0.038 it's more like 20x the market cap.

AMs market cap based on btct's 24hr avg share price is 26.017x that of LC's market cap based on their current 24hr share price.

AM is obviously the established player here while LC still has a whole lot to prove. If LC can actually bring 200-300Th/s online in 2013 while friedcat brings on 1000Th then their market cap differences will likely begin to close, but lots of folks talk about bringing on huge hashing farms that never materialize. FC has actually done it and I wouldn't care to bet against him increasing AMs hashrate 10 fold or more in Q4.
436  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL - Is this saga finally going to go away on: September 08, 2013, 02:18:04 AM
...because they're criminals?
437  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: September 07, 2013, 11:51:20 PM
I've long thought it best to leave the IPO share price record alone on our spreadsheet as it's a permanent record of our initial fundrasing efforts. I've added the notation on top that states clearly "pre-split", but perhaps it would be better to alter the permanent record to indicate post split share prices. It clearly says "sold 4000", "Shares Outstanding: 51,625", and "pre-split", yet even with charts, forum posts, the OP, news tabs, & motion tabs investors don't realize just how well our shares have done over time. THIS:

We never left the race. We have a higher hashrate than Cognitive, RSM, Labcoin, ActM, and PETA-MINE combined.

Perhaps if I repeatedly type NDA the market will care. Smiley
By "never left the race", you mean shares trading under IPO price?

IPO price:  0.33
Last price: 0.1193
Total paid dividend per share: 0.037
Lost per share:  0.1737  52.6% loss.

Not to mention most shareholders brought shares from you at more higher price than 0.33.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArTS7AD--9SWdDNfb0lRNElqS1k1eGRoWEw2TGM4NlE#gid=0


If I raised btc through IPO, and sit doing nothing, merely paying divdends daliy,though it's scam. I bet it will be a better investment than yours.
It's pity for you, doing a lot useless things is worse than doing nothing.

...is complete and utter dog dung, but is symptomatic of the sophistication level of the average investor in this space.
438  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: September 07, 2013, 11:32:24 PM
NP. I'm considering a motion that would modify our contract to randomly add multiple occurrences of the terms "NDA" "28nm" and "fairy dust". If it passes I'm expecting a major share price rebound. Please keep an eye on us. Wink
439  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: September 07, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
<sigh>

I guess you're unaware that we had a 10:1 stock split then. Your maths are utter fail.
440  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER on: September 07, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
WAIT!

Did you just claim that you ACCIDENTALLY negated voting rights from shares?!? That it was a TYPO? That for no apparent reason whatsoever you'd intended to affirm that which would have otherwise been self evident, but you ACCIDENTALLY added two letters and two spaces and negated shareholder voting rights?

MIND. BLOWN.

The typo of the initial contract is corrected in the motion.

Edit: This is my last post in this thread. I'm stunned that anyone would give this guy a single satoshi. Deprived is brilliant and everyone just attacks him when he points out what should be glaringly obvious. So before I get as frustrated as he is and I too begin insulting investors I'm just going to STFU.

Original Contract

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CryptX Business Goals

CryptX’s primary goal is to provide opportunities for the public to invest in the Bitcoin mining business. The company will do this by offering shares of a PETA-MINE, a hosted mining project with a capacity of 1,000,000 GH/s of hashing power.

CryptX hereby offers an asset (its PETA-MINE) for shares in the profit of the company’s operation. CryptX will offer 100,000 shares, where every share represents 10 GH/s of hashing power.

The PETA-MINE’s hashing power will represent a percentage of the total hashing power of the entire Bitcoin network. This percentage will decrease whenever the hashing power of the network increases. To mitigate this issue, CryptX will reinvest 35% of the mine’s net revenue in additional hashing power. This means that as the PETA-MINE continues to grow, each share will, in turn, represent more hashing power. 65% of the net revenue will be paid to shareholders through a weekly dividend.

Deployment of the PETA-MINE will occur mid December, 2013.

Shareholder Information

CryptX will issue 83,333 out of 100,000 non-dilutable PETA-MINE shares at IPO. Each share represents 1/100,000 of the total hash power of the PETA-MINE, and shareholders will receive a weekly dividend payment every Friday. The PETA-MINE will deploy with a capacity of 1,000,000 GH/s where one share represents 1 GH/s in hashing power.

The company will issue shares in two batches:

The first batch will consist of 50,000 shares. CryptX will sell these shares through BTC-TC at a fixed price of 0.65 BTC per share. The sale of the first batch will close when all shares are sold.
The second batch will consist of the remaining 33,333 shares and will sell at a fixed price of 0.7 BTC per share. The sale of the second batch will close when all shares are sold.
All shares are entitled to an equal percentage of dividends and all shares sold in the IPO are considered voting shares. A total of 83,333 out of 100,000 shares will sell at IPO. No shares beyond these 100,000 will ever be sold or created in the future, so shares can never be diluted.

For every share sold, CryptX will invest in an additional 20% hashpower. All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65BTC/share is recovered in dividends.

Shareholder Protection

The IPO will prove successful with the sale of at least 30,000 shares. If fewer than 30,000 shares sell within 30 days, CryptX will refund the entire IPO to shareholders. What’s more, the fact that no shares beyond those offered at IPO will ever be issued means shareholders need not fear dilution of the value of their shares.

CryptX will invest in an additional 20% hashpower for every share sold. All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65BTC/share is recovered in dividends.

CryptX will regularly update all relevant information about the PETA-MINE so that shareholders can evaluate the performance, capital outlay, and future of the project. It will make this information available through a regular shareholder newsletter, periodic updates to its website (cryptx.com), and a forum it will create on bitcointalk.org dedicated exclusively to CryptX news.

CryptX will pay weekly dividends to shareholders amounting to a percentage share of ownership in the PETA-MINE. CryptX will not change the direction or goal of the PETA-MINE without shareholder votes as per the statutes of BTC-TC.

PETA-MINE Deployment Date

PETA-MINE deployment is scheduled for mid December, 2013. The CryptX management team is well aware of the importance of timing the mine’s deployment. It is also aware of the very poor track record of meeting time schedules in the Bitcoin mining space and recognize that potential sources of such delays include chip failure, PCB failure, or chip delivery problems. CryptX will protect PETA-MINE shareholders against such delays by adding 20% additional hash power for each 30 days the company exceeds its target deployment date.

For example, if CryptX ultimately deploys the mine after mid January, 2014, an additional 200 TH/s of power will be added to the PETA-MINE completely free of charge to shareholders, and each share will be entitled to 12 GH/s of hash power. If the company starts deployment after February 15, 2014, it will add an additional 20% on top of the previous 20%. In that case, each share would be entitled to 14.4 GH/s of hash power.

Dividends

Dividends will automatically appear in shareholders’ Bitcoin wallets every Friday around 15:00 GMT.  Dividends will consist of 65% of PETA-MINE net revenue for the week. Net revenue is defined as the total of all Bitcoins mined minus electricity, hosting, and mine maintenance costs.

The percentage of the net revenue paid in dividends can change if shareholders vote to change it. Such action will only occur if the state of the Bitcoin mining space demands it.

Reinvestment

Every week, CryptX will reserve for reinvestment purposes a percentage of earned Bitcoins equal to 35% of net revenue. These investments will allow CryptX to produce and deploy additional hardware. Time of deployment for this additional hardware will be in the best interest of shareholders.

Because of the unique partnership between CryptX and Cointerra, a world-class semiconductor engineering company, future investments in the PETA-MINE will occur at the most competitive prices. CryptX will also have first access to future chip designs direct from Cointerra.

While the reinvestment percentage is subject to change via shareholder vote, such action will only occur if the state of the Bitcoin mining space demands it.

Terms and Conditions

Each share represents 1/100,000 of PETA-MINE net revenue. Net revenue, once again, is defined as Bitcoins earned by the mine minus electricity, hosting, and maintenance costs. 65% of net revenue will be paid in dividends every Friday around 15:00 GMT. CryptX will then reinvest 35% of net revenue in additional mining capacity. Every shareholder is also entitled to his or her share of net revenue from hashing power reinvestments. The 65%/35% distribution rule will also apply to hardware acquired through reinvestment.

The shares have no voting power. Shares of PETA-MINE on BTC-TC do not represent real world shares of CryptX. The shares are solely a distribution mechanism for rights to profits from the PETA-MINE. Profit distribution will not be dependent on BTC-TC existence; in the event BTC-TC closes down, the equity will be moved to another trading platform. If no adequate platform exists, CryptX will manually transfer payouts to shareholders’ Bitcoin addresses.

The issuer has no right to release additional shares at any time or for any price. Thanks to this limitation, the value of initial shareholders’ shares is non-dilutable. The issuer does, however, have the right to change the price and/or quantity of any scheduled sale batches of shares.

Proposed Contract

Quote
CryptX Business Goals

CryptX’s primary goal is to provide opportunities for the public to invest in the Bitcoin mining business. The company will do this by offering shares of a PETA-MINE, a hosted mining project with an initial maximum capacity of 1,000,000 GH/s of hashing power.

CryptX hereby offers an asset (its PETA-MINE) for shares in the profit of the company’s operation. CryptX will offer a maximum of 100,000 shares, where every share represents 10 GH/s of hashing power.

For every share sold, CryptX will invest in an additional 20% hashpower, with a minimum of 20 TH/s, which will be deployed as early as the end of September. All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until 0.65 BTC/share is recovered in dividends.

The PETA-MINE’s hashing power will represent a percentage of the total hashing power of the entire Bitcoin network. This percentage will decrease whenever the hashing power of the network increases. To mitigate this issue, CryptX will reinvest 35% of the mine’s net revenue in additional hashing power. This means that as the PETA-MINE continues to grow, each share will, in turn, represent more hashing power. 65% of the net revenue will be paid to shareholders through a weekly dividend.

Deployment of the PETA-MINE will start at the end of September 2013.

Shareholder Information

CryptX will issue a maximum of 100,000 non-dilutable PETA-MINE shares at IPO. Each share represents at least 10 GH/s of the total hash power of the PETA-MINE, and shareholders will receive a weekly dividend payment every Friday.

For every share sold, CryptX will invest in an additional 20% hashpower, with a minimum of 20 TH/s, which will be deployed as early as the end of September. All net mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65 BTC/share is recovered in dividends.

All shares are entitled to an equal percentage of dividends and all shares sold in the IPO are considered voting shares. No shares beyond these 100,000 will ever be sold or created in the future, so shares can never be diluted.

CryptX will issue shares in batches of 10,000 with a maximum of 100,000 shares. Each batch of 10,000 shares will be divided in blocks of 2,000 shares. The first block of 2,000 shares starts at 0.65 BTC. Price with each new block will increase with 0.01 BTC.

Shareholder Protection

After 27 September 2013, we won't issue new batches of 10,000 shares. The IPO will continue to run until the last issued batch of 10,000 shares is sold. For example if 6,000 shares are sold on 27 September, a maximum of 10,000 shares will be issued. For example if 15,000 shares are sold on 27 September, a maximum of 20,000 shares will be issued.

CryptX will regularly update all relevant information about the PETA-MINE so shareholders can evaluate the performance, capital outlay, and future of the project. It will make this information available through a regular shareholder newsletter, periodic updates to its website (cryptx.com), and a forum it will create on bitcointalk.org dedicated exclusively to CryptX news.

CryptX will pay weekly dividends to shareholders amounting to a percentage share of ownership in the PETA-MINE. CryptX will not change the direction or goal of the PETA-MINE without shareholder votes as per the statutes of BTC-TC.

PETA-MINE Deployment Date

First deployment is scheduled for the end of September 2013. The CryptX management team is well aware of the importance of timing the mine’s deployment. It is also aware of the very poor track record of meeting time schedules in the Bitcoin mining space and recognize that potential sources of such delays include chip failure, PCB failure, or chip delivery problems. CryptX will protect PETA-MINE shareholders against such delays by adding 20% additional hash power for each 30 days the company exceeds its target deployment date.

For example, if CryptX ultimately deploys the mine after mid-January, 2014, an additional 20% of power will be added to the PETA-MINE completely free of charge to shareholders, and each share will be entitled to 12 GH/s of hash power. If the company starts deployment after mid-February, 2014, it will add an additional 20% on top of the previous 20%. In that case, each share would be entitled to 14.4 GH/s of hash power.

Dividends

Dividends will automatically appear in shareholders’ Bitcoin wallets every Friday around 15:00 GMT.  Dividends will consist of 65% of PETA-MINE net revenue for the week. Net revenue is defined as the total of all Bitcoins mined minus electricity, hosting, and mine maintenance costs.

The percentage of the net revenue paid in dividends can change if shareholders vote to change it. Such action will only occur if the state of the Bitcoin mining space demands it.

Reinvestment

Every week, CryptX will reserve for reinvestment purposes a percentage of earned Bitcoins equal to 35% of net revenue. These investments will allow CryptX to produce and deploy additional hardware. Time of deployment for this additional hardware will be in the best interest of shareholders.

Because of the unique partnership between CryptX and Cointerra, a world-class semiconductor engineering company, future investments in the PETA-MINE will occur at the most competitive prices. CryptX will also have first access to future chip designs direct from Cointerra.

While the reinvestment percentage is subject to change via shareholder vote, such action will only occur if the state of the Bitcoin mining space demands it.

Terms and Conditions

Each share represents minimum 10 GH/s of PETA-MINE net revenue. Net revenue, once again, is defined as Bitcoins earned by the mine minus electricity, hosting, and maintenance costs. 65% of net revenue will be paid in dividends every Friday around 15:00 GMT. CryptX will then reinvest 35% of net revenue in additional mining capacity. Every shareholder is also entitled to his or her share of net revenue from hashing power reinvestments. The 65%/35% distribution rule will also apply to hardware acquired through reinvestment.

The shares have voting power. Shares of PETA-MINE on BTC-TC do not represent real world shares of CryptX. The shares are solely a distribution mechanism for rights to profits from the PETA-MINE. Profit distribution will not be dependent on BTC-TC existence; in the event BTC-TC closes down, the equity will be moved to another trading platform. If no adequate platform exists, CryptX will manually transfer payouts to shareholders’ Bitcoin addresses.

The issuer has no right to release additional shares at any time or for any price. Thanks to this limitation, the value of initial shareholders’ shares is non-dilutable. The issuer does, however, have the right to change the price and/or quantity of any scheduled sale batches of shares.

https://btct.co/security/PETA-MINE
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