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up lagi dong thread ini, buat sharing harga koin IEO sekalian bisa share juga untuk trade. erlond katanya mau Mainnet ya bulan ini? harga ieo 0.00065, harga listing 0.0005 tapi skrg harganya 0.0021 cukup tinggi juga ya dari harga IEO.
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I once thought like that, I think it's quite safe and impossible to hack, but I got hacked, then I also got a scam investment. but from all that experience I learned to avoid fraud. because in my opinion, the experience will make people more aware and concerned. but if everything we do is right and still gets fraud? who is to blame? even big markets often get fraud.
As long as there are markets and there is money involved in them you can be sure that there are going to be frauds all over the place, what you need to do is to protect yourself, and while many times we discuss the ways in which you can protect yourself with the use of technology, we do not discuss how you can protect yourself by just using your common sense, and this is really important especially when it comes to investing in icos that despite all their claims most of them are just scams. Indeed. We cannot stop the people who are scammers and planning to scam or fool other people. It is on us on how we are going to react into different circumstances in the market and how are we going to have enough education in order to identify the real opportunity to a fake one. We should be responsible to ourselves and that will be the key to prevention of any fraud or scams. But we can do something to stop them and that is to share to people that they are not worth it to invest at after we've done our own investigation and we have proven that they are scam, so better to use friends and relatives and share here or in all social media so people could be aware and can find those things once they do their own research. Let's do our part for this to help people not become victim. sooner or later this type of investment will be abandoned by many people, signs such as a decrease in trust is evidence that the public has been aware of the fraud. nothing is safe in this world, there will always be a fraud. experience is very valuable to learn to at least avoid or minimize the great risk of fraud. |
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kalau semisal dikirim ke exchange terus dilacak, emang pihak exchange punya wewenang untuk mengambil itu dana dan dibalikan lagi ke upbit?
Untuk saat ini hanya Binance yang telah mengeluarkan statement bakal membekukan ETH tersebut jika dalam kedepannya aset tersebut dipindahkan ke Binance oleh pelaku. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1199638755306397696?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwSemoga saja langkah yang diambil Binance ini juga bakal diikuti oleh exchange-exchange lainnya, sehingga selain bisa membantu kerugian pihak Upbit maka potensi dump market bisa dihindari, karena dengan jumlah ETH diatas 300K tentu saja bisa menggoyangkan market tapi btw kan ada cara lain untuk jual itu semua tanpa harus lewat exchange yang tidak harus buat akun, seperti binance dex? tidak bisa dibekuin pastinya. dengan binance mengumumkan seperti itu tentu mereka akan berpikir juga untuk kirim ke binance, harusnya tidak usah diumumkan juga ya sebelum terjadi. |
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kalau semisal dikirim ke exchange terus dilacak, emang pihak exchange punya wewenang untuk mengambil itu dana dan dibalikan lagi ke upbit?
Marking pada wallet pelaku sudah dilakukan, ini memberikan kemudahan bagi para penegak hukum untuk melakukan pelacakan. Pastinya hacker tidak mudah melakukan transaksi melalui exchange, apalagi pada exchange yang mengharuskan KYC. ohh iya saya lihat tiap alamat ditandai dengan hacker, jadi kemungkinan mereka tidak bebas untuk menjual di market dan ada kemungkinan juga mereka menjual lebih murah ke orang lain diluar exchange? masalahnya apakah tiap transaksi yang dilakukan oleh alamat yang udah ditandai itu alamat lainnya juga bakal kena tanda? |
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kalau semisal dikirim ke exchange terus dilacak, emang pihak exchange punya wewenang untuk mengambil itu dana dan dibalikan lagi ke upbit? |
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They just create some kind of hype once or twice in a month or week and make their profit with fake exchanges and forget about it, I am talking about the developers of those kind of altcoins which are not performing and these are totally waste for crypto market and also creating confusion for new people who are entering in crypto world so what's your opinions. Useless altcoins must be remove from crypto market if it happens then it would be great and very beneficial for crypto world.
I agree that altcoin is useless and has a small transaction volume in delist from the market. Many projects that are already inactive but still exist in exchangers do not even have transaction volumes and I think if deleted, will make the cryptocurrency market healthy and provide real data about market cap value in fact, they will be eliminated themselves if their project does not develop anymore and the volume is getting smaller, can be seen several examples of big markets, quite a lot of coins are delisted. so all of that will automatically be eliminated with the concomitant decline in trust in altcoins aka shitcoin. |
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I think mostly, initially just trying luck, but when they get luck or victory, they will continue to play until finally addicted. yes, like me who initially just trying. until I played gambling for 3 years, but of course, I play within reasonable limits and can still control myself.
The first time you want trying luck, but finally, you played gambling for 3 years. I guess in the second time you played gamble, you still want to try luck, and in the next games, you always did the same to trying luck. But you didn't realize how long you have been played gamble until 3 years  But fortunately, you can still control yourself and use limits in gambling. I think that many gamblers have the same experience as you and I think that happens too with me. Fortunately, now, I don't gamble too much, and I still want to try playing gambling is for fun only and don't think about winning or losing. because at that time I took full time to focus on crypto, so every day sitting and staring at crypto, and of course, I always want to get some satoshi/bitcoin from gambling. Usually, when I join a gambling bounty, I will use it to gamble again, so I don't worry about losing money. |
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The number one thing you can do is educate yourself on the most basic principles of cyber security which seems like something that not even large Bitcoin investors will do. Cyber security is not rocket science and doing a bit of research before pouring part of your life savings into an internet currency that's irreversible does not seem like bad idea. A lot of fraud stems from hacks and it ultimately boils down to people not being responsible with their funds. You can't just store Bitcoin in a bank and call it a day. A Bitcoin holder is responsible for their own funds and if those funds get stolen, no bank or exchange is going to help them out. On top of storage security, following common sense always goes a long way. This includes NOT storing large amounts of Bitcoin on exchanges which almost always result in losing funds. Exchanges are not meant to be long term storage facilities and should be used very solemnly.
Actually they have educated themselves and many have known about cyberspace security. But they underestimate the important things and believe that their assets are in a safe place while the scammers always have many ways to hack the system. So when holders of these coin holders lose their assets whether in personal wallet or exchanges, they can only blame themselves for their carelessness. I once thought like that, I think it's quite safe and impossible to hack, but I got hacked, then I also got a scam investment. but from all that experience I learned to avoid fraud. because in my opinion, the experience will make people more aware and concerned. but if everything we do is right and still gets fraud? who is to blame? even big markets often get fraud. |
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I think it's actually trying luck too, we consider it as entertainment but on the other hand, we expect victory.
That reason will be acceptable if you don't use much money and not using a long time for a gamble. But if you play gambling for a long time, then that is not trying luck because you expect the luck to comes to your side. But for the first time, I think people are trying luck, but then they forget that luck will not come to you if you are not the right person. So if you want to test your luck, you can play for about 5-10 times and don't use big money to gamble. After that, you should stop and leave the gambling places. Agree with you. Honestly i laughing when read your post, at first some maybe people play gambling to test their luck. And then get curious then play for longer time, in next day on when he want, he will play again. Maybe it already happened to some people who still gambling until now. But if we can control amount money that we used to do it, will be good then. I think mostly, initially just trying luck, but when they get luck or victory, they will continue to play until finally addicted. yes, like me who initially just trying. until I played gambling for 3 years, but of course, I play within reasonable limits and can still control myself. |
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My main reason when doing gamble is for fun and entertainment. Part of it is also to win the game which is exciting on me. As mentioned by others is easy to deposit and withdrawal in an online gambling site also no hassle. So just do gambling for entertainment, not for addiction that will lose your money.
I still don't believe it but doubt people who say they gamble just for the fun in it. Seriously I don't think they are being real to themselves. One don't get up to gamble because they are feeling bored. There are many games out there that one can play without putting money in it when bored but not gambling. I'm one of the people who do gambling just for entertainment. The money that I put in gambling is just an excess money from my salary and I do not treat as profession because my money will be at risks and I cannot guarantee that I will win. I'm playing because I'm bored and I can considered it as my stress reliever. I think it's actually trying luck too, we consider it as entertainment but on the other hand, we expect victory. Your salary looks big so you have excess money to gamble, but to be honest it's very unfortunate to play gambling from salary money. |
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Most people like OP usually buy stuff at the wrong time, and then sell what they should keep, and then they lose everything. As a tip when you're worried and start to become emotional about your investment, you will end up making poor decisions. If you need the money, sell, and find a more stable investment. If you're just greedy, I strongly recommend HODL. most people can't handle this type of market volatility and you probably end up buying at a higher price in the future.
the point of all is not having knowledge, many people panic so they don't know what will happen next. limited funds also sometimes make me want to sell when prices will go down, for fear that if it goes down deep enough and can't buy when the price is very low. Although you get tempted to sell be aware that price goes both ways, up.and down, so when the price falls that doesn't mean it will last forever. It's important to know to make the difference between correction or dump that might last a while and needs to be followed by some actions. Just don't ever panic, that will make you do reckless decisions. of course, if we look at the history of price movements down and up it is certainly common because, in the end, I am sure it will go back to the top, it can even go higher and that is due to several factors to come, such as mass adoption, halving and others. so as long as many developments have positive values, it is certain that prices will continue to increase in the future. |
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Can i ask some advice from trading experts here, How could i trade safely and assure possible profit from my investments?
trading safely comes from experience and from managing risks , you may get some advice here but without knowing how to implement and manage trades , learn concepts of risk management and position sizing , losses are part of trading you cant trade so safely that you avoid all losses only you can manage losses all of that only minimizes a big risk, because the crypto trade is very fluctuating, and much influenced by several factors besides supply and demand. experience and knowledge are very important because from the knowledge you can read what is happening in the market, so you can determine what will be done. |
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o depends on a situation, not all women slowly learning crypto.
It's normal now that females find ways to earn and to invest as they know how hard to manage money and that they need it to make their money works to add in their investments. you said female find it hard to manage money ? but why would they enter crypto trade when trading crypto was more of a money management but i aslo agree on what owen said that not all women are involed on crypto trade or not all people are weak when it comes to money management . some few females are infact now succesful on crypto trading and thier stories were now being published on the news and on online article's just also to give motivation to other females . I do not think that women are bad at managing money or anything like that. They are responsible for running homes and control all the matters inside house. Trading is not about management. It demands a good knowledge of trading and coin. Crypto trading is not a concern of gender at all. Though women are more sensitive but this is not universal. In every different situation, women act accordingly. thats right, even a women is indeed required to be able to manage finances, if they can't do that, I'm sure their household will not be okay. nowadays the era of women's emancipation, so there is no gender difference, it all depends on each other, whether we are smart enough. because in the age of technology women must be able to understand anything about it. |
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yeah as you think I trade based on a lot of my emotions back then I lost about $ 1000, I realized and learned a lot more to be able to analyze the market before entering this market, Because in this market it seems that only good traders can make a profit, so I think when you are confident enough to be a good trader, you can spend a lot of money to trade.
this is why makes investor is really hard to master because when your emotion is not doing well then it may affect your performance on trading and could make everything you do become bad, also this is why many expert traders are always taking their time to prepare everything. This is the whole reason why we are taught discipline and self control. No matter what the situation is, we should train our brain to stay calm. In the trading profession, it is not possible to succeed without developing a cool nature. Every single decision can affect progress in positive or negative way. The significance o this trait increases with bitcoin and altcoin trading as these are volatile assets. Easier said than done but then again, all those things that provide long term benefits are never easy to do. It would be difficult in the first shot but after getting positive results, the brain will automatically start walking on the right path. Holders who truly understand worth of their digital coins don’t end up blundering. This nature should be adopted by everyone but it’s a must for bitcoiners. like a good knowledge, if it goes to negative results, people will panic and can get a big loss. but if you have good knowledge, we should know where the last movement will go, so we can control ourselves from great losses |
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We have seen a overall bloodbath of all the crypto currencies and bitcoin being no expectation, but most of the users had predicted a dump before pump which could possibly happen post halving but isn't it too early that we are witnessing this dump? What do you think has created this dump?
I don't see any reason, but I learn from history, as at the end of the year 2018 has decreased, and usually, before halving happens it will decrease according to what I see, although lately upbit gets hacked but bitcoin actually increases. Another reason might be that some whales sell to get a lower price before halving occurs. |
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Most people like OP usually buy stuff at the wrong time, and then sell what they should keep, and then they lose everything. As a tip when you're worried and start to become emotional about your investment, you will end up making poor decisions. If you need the money, sell, and find a more stable investment. If you're just greedy, I strongly recommend HODL. most people can't handle this type of market volatility and you probably end up buying at a higher price in the future.
the point of all is not having knowledge, many people panic so they don't know what will happen next. limited funds also sometimes make me want to sell when prices will go down, for fear that if it goes down deep enough and can't buy when the price is very low. |
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gambling is bad
yeah so get out of this section because this is bad for you
but at least getting x2 is easy from gambling. so every payday I can get a double.
really?easy to double in gambling?so you should be a millionaire by now? but certainly not as easy as you imagine, for this way I really am waiting for the right moment, because I doing it in sports betting.
are you smoking weeds?on top you said about easiness of making money double but here contradicting the claims? I said it had to wait for the right moment to make it, not that every day I could easily get a double. so I mean for example when there is a big match there I can easily get a double. |
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the results I get from gambling bounty, I usually use to play gambling again, yes sometimes I try my luck to get more. but at least getting x2 is easy from gambling. so every payday I can get a double.
but certainly not as easy as you imagine, for this way I really am waiting for the right moment, because I doing it in sports betting.
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but so far the movements are almost similar to the two previous halving cases, some of which seem to have declined before halving, news of the hack that just happened.
I didn't expect it to make a new ATH, but at least it could again touch $20k, that's really good.
You should be careful before making such assumptions, because this time the prices have already increased a lot, in part due to the hype surrounding the block reward halving. And another thing is that the investors may be a bit reluctant, after the 85% decline we had in 2018. Many of those who purchased Bitcoin at ATH prices are still stuck with their investment and they are looking for a way out. If the prices reach 10K or 12K again, then we may see a lot of sell-off from this group. but that's a fact that you can see it, has it increased even more now? I think this is just recovery because if there is no recovery it can go down even further, and in my opinion, there is no hype from halving for now, but it will start next year. The majority of those who should buy at ATH should have sold above $10k because mid-2019 the price had risen to $13k. |
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I didnt think that halving affects the bitcoin nor market value, years ago as we can observe, the effect of halving makes the price of bitcoin increase, so when it happens, we can see that bitcoin can make ATH or atlease the price will goes up, we can possibly think that by next year it could be a good year in bitcoin. Halving can have some impact, but I am afraid that this time the impact will be more limited when compared to the previous two events. The first thing to consider is that the prices have already jumped by almost 200% so far this year, probably in anticipation for the upcoming halving event. And secondly, the ratio of annual mining output to the total circulating supply will be much lower this time. but so far the movements are almost similar to the two previous halving cases, some of which seem to have declined before halving, news of the hack that just happened. I didn't expect it to make a new ATH, but at least it could again touch $20k, that's really good. |
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