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421  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 07, 2013, 04:03:12 PM
pretty pointless discussion going on..
AM will make new price finding auctions as soon as its necessary, the update tells us it is still not.
Also the guess with 30-40$ cost per stick is propably much too high since the blades cost them around 100$ in production. The margin must be somewhat equal or they wouldnt take the hassle. My guess is 5-10$ for a stick.


 so AM sold 1btc blade for 50btc.    and a .3btc stick for 2btc

 this was pushed into divs payout  and divs have been huge.


All I am saying is 3 income sources;

1) blade sales
2)stick sales
3)mining   

AM will not keep 1 and 2 as high as they have been.  3) is kind of fixed in BTC count 22-30% of the hash. So expect an adjustment in divs and in stock price.

Your basic analysis is correct, but your conclusions assume AM has no gameplan for this scenario.  Any company selling products in a competitive space needs to assume this will happen.  Products sell for premiums when there is minimal competition.  Prices drop to increase sales volume when competition increases and demand lowers.  Margins shrink.  Meanwhile, any responsible company will already have a successor product in the pipeline to bring on the market when the conditions are correct (profit has dropped too far, old inventory has cleared, competitive environment is favorable, etc).  The fact that they sold ~40% of their sticks at top premium price is amazing.  I'm sure they will offer price reduction soon enough to move the rest of the inventory.

At this point, we're looking toward the first conclusion of a product cycle within the ASIC space as competition comes online.  What AM does here is pivotal to investor confidence.  If they have been planning well, we won't see a huge change in business performance.  If they haven't planned for this, we'll see the gap you are predicting.  Place your bets.

I also think the OPs point about the share price dropping is probably not right. The dividends are not going to be this high forever. I think everyone knows this and this is priced into the share price. At the current dividends you have an annual return of something crazy like 52-65%(ball parking). I don't think people are going to be dumping shares in droves because they will only be getting a 25% annual return. Especially when there aren't many actual ways to put saved bitcoins to work. If AM continues to keep their share of the total hash rate constant I don't think the share price will be dropping in any significance.

Huge dividends from hw sales are a nice bonus but a consistent 25% annual return is great compared to most other investment opportunities with your btc.
422  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 06, 2013, 06:38:54 PM
This may be bitcoin 101 that I just missed but it would be great if someone could flush out some justification to what Friedcst said about transaction fees becoming a bigger part of the reward for mining a block. Why is it that this will happen? 15 btc per block seems like a lot in fees. What sort of fee per transaction would that equate to?

We're doing a lot of extrapolation here since the number of BTC issued per block isn't set to halve again until ~ 2017. At today's transaction amounts - aka 50K transactions per day or about 350 transactions per block this would be about .04 BTC per transaction. However, we have to presume that the number of BTC transactions will significantly increase as BTC gains more popularity. Anyone want to take a guess about how many transactions per block in 2-3 years?

Do we have any idea what portion if transaction fees AM is currently collecting on each block in addition to the created btc?

A related question is how is btc designed to continue after all block have been solved? I know this is decades away but I'm curious if this isn't a problem to worry about or if this is something that will be solved eventually.

I guess I'm thinking that since the amount of rewarded btc for every block halves eventually the reward for solving a block wil be .00001 btc and miner will continue because they will be paid a transaction fee. If that's the case then eventually the transaction fees might be a decent percentage of a regular transaction. Seems a little worrisome in the long term to a currency that has a major advantage because of low transaction fees.
423  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 06, 2013, 05:57:29 PM
This may be bitcoin 101 that I just missed but it would be great if someone could flush out some justification to what Friedcst said about transaction fees becoming a bigger part of the reward for mining a block. Why is it that this will happen? 15 btc per block seems like a lot in fees. What sort of fee per transaction would that equate to?
424  Economy / Auctions / Re: [AUCTION] 50 ASICMINER shares (48h auction) on: May 26, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
Hi Gyom

So I'm looking at the results and shouldn't I have 3 shares at 2.5 and 1 at 2.4?  My original 2.4 bid for 3 shares is still the earliest. I bid 2.5 to keep my position figuring I would get the right to the last at 2.4 if there were any left at that price.

Do you understand my confusion.

Thanks
Sngwinner
425  Economy / Auctions / Re: [AUCTION] 50 ASICMINER shares (48h auction) on: May 26, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
3 at 2.5
426  Economy / Auctions / Re: [AUCTION] 50 ASICMINER shares (48h auction) on: May 25, 2013, 07:47:28 PM
Hi Gyom,

I'm curious how this works now that there s a bid for 2 shares above 2.4.  Who misses out on the two shares at 2.4 if the auction were to close at this point?  I would assume it would be the last two shares to be bid at 2.4.  Is that correct?
427  Economy / Auctions / Re: [AUCTION] 50 ASICMINER shares (48h auction) on: May 24, 2013, 03:58:37 PM
3 @ 2.4
428  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER - 18 Direct Shares Fixed-Price Auction on: May 23, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
Ok I understand. Ill wait until I get home and maybe there will be some left.
429  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER - 18 Direct Shares Fixed-Price Auction on: May 23, 2013, 05:34:46 PM
I would like to buy 3 when I get back home from work. Can you reserve them for 7 hours? I need to be at my home comp to actually pay.
430  Economy / Auctions / Re: Auction of 50 shares of ASICMiner (12 hour auction!) on: May 23, 2013, 05:11:45 PM
Dmcdad, do you still have any shares for sale or auction? I would like to purchase 2 or 3 for the prices you got at the auction. Let me know if any are available. Thanks!
431  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: January 06, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
I also want to add to my above request that.  I have experience in using bitinstant to transfer funds to mt gox so I am not a complete newb.
432  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: January 06, 2013, 07:52:43 PM
I would like to be able to post in the thread Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling > Bitcoin Video Poker! 0.005 BTC credits are here! [UPDATED 1/6/2013].

The reason for this is that I have had technical issues with bitcoinvideopoker and it seems that the developer or administrator is fairly active on that site.  Can you please allow me to post in that thread so I can try and resolve the issue.  The problem is that the program is randomly only dealing me 4 card or not dealing me a 5th card after the draw.  This significantly decreases my chances of winning and has cost me probably close to .25 bitcoin.  Thanks for your help so I can try and have this dispute resolved.
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