It is so funny, many people want to release the fund, so they should check this thread for the answer.  If they all read it and start to think with brain, they will not hope SebastianJu releases the fund. Who wants to release the funds? It are just kooke and wasserman, majority in the thread trust SJ to hold the coins. |
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So dev want all funds to be released to him before releasing a Wallet? What a fraud!
Escrow please do not release any funds to this fishy dev with no real team. The agreement
was already been made and you said it a lot in the thread that Escrow will release funds in parts
as development progress. so why this sudden change of mind?
Release your fishy basic wallet as you planned to. I need my ICO icoins. I wish i has invested when
Escrow got added to the process of the ico. You are hurting your own project if you dont do what you
mentioned on here.
You can send SebastianJu a message with proof of your investment and your thoughts about how wasserman99 and his invisible unknown team are handling things during the ICO and since the ICO is over. Just add a signature to one of your addresses you used to deposit along with your deposit address of the ICO, he is waiting for more investors input on what to do with the escrow funds. EDIT: Doesn't matter you enrolled in phase 1 without escrow, so did I. But we could help out the other investors from phase 2. he cannot release anything if there is no coin...so wsserman99 first need to deliver the coin and pay the signatures and other bounties. @placebo first of SebastianJu hold the funds on seconds phase ICO Second his not going to release anything without a solid Road-map or a beta wallet SebastianJu is protecting the second phase investors.
Yeah I know and I'm glad he is holding on to it. But he asked for input from investors here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16116203#msg16116203The more people backing him up the sooner there will be a real roadmap or we know it's all a scam and we can move on. The first phase ICO people are fucked  Yes I'm probably fucked...  |
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So dev want all funds to be released to him before releasing a Wallet? What a fraud!
Escrow please do not release any funds to this fishy dev with no real team. The agreement
was already been made and you said it a lot in the thread that Escrow will release funds in parts
as development progress. so why this sudden change of mind?
Release your fishy basic wallet as you planned to. I need my ICO icoins. I wish i has invested when
Escrow got added to the process of the ico. You are hurting your own project if you dont do what you
mentioned on here.
You can send SebastianJu a message with proof of your investment and your thoughts about how wasserman99 and his invisible unknown team are handling things during the ICO and since the ICO is over. Just add a signature to one of your addresses you used to deposit along with your deposit address of the ICO, he is waiting for more investors input on what to do with the escrow funds. EDIT: Doesn't matter you enrolled in phase 1 without escrow, so did I. But we could help out the other investors from phase 2. |
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Perhaps pay everything back and redo everything again from scratch? No wallet or anything has been made yet, so if all investor funds are returned, then everyone is happy .. Opair basically still only has an idea so they lose nothing if they pay everything back and get a second chance of doing things right from the get go ..
Then I still want to be compensated for wearing a signature for 6 weeks, let's say 0.02 a week...  |
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wasserman99
when will we get payment for the signature campaign?
That is still unknown, they are holding back for no reason. They will keep claiming they need a good plan on how to release the escrow funds first before proceeding paying out the signature campaign. Even if they have stated that signature campaign will be paid even when all escrow funds will be refunded. Their logic makes no sense whatsoever, therefore the trust from investors drops massively. The longer this drags on the more people who invested in phase 2 will ask for a refund. |
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Only if you invested in phase 2 from which the coins are send to the escrow address. |
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did I read correctly that the sig campagin is 7 btc???
I am sorry, but if thats the case, I want my ICO refund back. no way I am investing in an ICO for that much btc going to the campaign.
if anything total btc for the campaign should be no more than 0.5 btc total going to the campaign. As you can see, if we are having this discussion, that means they failed miserably at that campaign.
All best suggestions should be taken by the project team and then ask the investors ONLY to vote on it.
I had brought this up about the vote broken down to who invested and by how much on the Opair slack channel.
The same way you do when you invest in stocks.
It was BTC7 from the start, well BTC7 in XPO at first. but in investors interest they decided to pay out in btc because many people might dump the coin if it hits a exchange. The shares I got are way less then I received on other ICO's and signature campaigns. That the ICO didn't raised enough is because Opair team wasn't being transparent from the start and raised so many red flags that investors stayed away. I wanted to invest a lot more but after a lot of hassle I decided not to. |
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How about this: dev gets a block explorer and wallet up and all/most funds would be released? Signature bounty is of least concern right now.
With this much BTC raised, getting a wallet and block explorer up will take trivial amounts of funds. This should not affect what you plan to do with the escrowed money.
I agree, but depends on sebastianju to accept or not. And several have made proposals or opinions but none are valid according sebastianju, because it can not confirm that the opinions or proposals are from real investors, so we are in a complicated situation for this as we said before. Just wait until the escrow make any decision. Regards It's not that hard to prove a btc address is theirs, I signed mine within a minute. |
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Guys, I see alot of posts of accounts that want me to release the coins to wasserman99. Unfortunately the only persons I can trust to be real persons are investors that showed some sort of proof of their investment and wasserman99 as the dev. It seems there are other threads about OPAIR where the vibrations are completely the opposite and they can't post here. In any case this is nothing I could base a decision on and override other investors wishes based on accounts that are unverified investors.
So if you invested then please contact me with your wish to FORWARD the coins to wasserman99. Personally I would like to get an explaination why the coins from ICO phase 1 are only enough to pay for having a wallet in hands and running a sig campaign. There are much smaller ICO's that manage to do that without receiving any investment.
So far wasserman99 could not explain the usage of that kind of a lot of money so if I had contact with an experienced altcoin user on this forum before, who invested into this ICO now and I trust him then let me know and please let me know why these numbers match up.
I have send a PM with proof of investment and my thoughts about this. |
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I don't see where is the problem. Simple
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
As I said before, we agree with this proposal, but all agree with this point?: "I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.", will be great for us to have more funds, but that would change the initial proposal and we do not want that once accepted by the escrow, some users go and complain about this point. That is, once the proposal is accepted by SJ, will be an agreement reached with the consent of the community. Regards But what if you will sell 9% of all coins? Price per coin will be dumped hard. I'm against it. Need to come up with something Good point...We dont have problem if that coins go to an escrow address. Regards I also agree. |
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Now We are going on OPAIR talks . We need SebastianJu to come here for making comments or give his idea about this. But I do not see him anywhere. All investors contribute their money to this project and They have been discussing about how to use the escrow funds .
They also want their project to run smoothly without discontinuation.
let us all send a many messages to SebastianJu! Why? Wasserman is already taking contact with him.
I agree with this! If the escrow also agree we can close the agreement.
Regards
After that all we need is to see if SebastianJu agrees to it or not. And don't forget the 2 people who are never been seen can also disagree. |
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price so high, 0.004 BTC please, PM me if you agree No, that's not even a offer but a insult. Keep it realistic please. |
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What was the funds of the first phase used for?
There are some bounties paid for translating the thread and that is it. EDIT: The funds are still there. |
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I don't see where is the problem. Simple
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
I agree with this! If the escrow also agree we can close the agreement. Regards It is one solution, another solution, you and 2 devs can show identities to SJ, so that you are not afraid that anyone will threathen you, or influence devs' life, because only SJ will see their identities. You should let SJ trusts you, now your action makes escrow can't trust you, because you aleays ask fund, and in general escrows have the responsibility the judge the project is legit or not, they have right to decline to pay if they think the team is not legit. I also agree with BoldNinja. @casinobonusgiveaway he is a trusted and well known escrow for similar projects, he won't release it for nothing. He already declined some ideas of releasing the escrow funds, I believe those coins are in good hands. |
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SebastianJu can always release the 7 bitcoin to avirunes and pay the sig campaign but i think the dev think otherwise.
Why would he? The identity of Frank H. Rettig and Hao Wang are still unknown, there is no wallet and they want 40% released after a cheap qt wallet. SebastianJu is holding the funds in case the investsors get scammed and not to pay our bounties, those should be paid from 1st phase ICO and this will also take some doubts away. They are only raising more doubts by not handling this right. |
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Yes i agreed too, but remember that the first wallet will be a normal qt wallet, they said that need a few months of works before the release of the new platform. Its normal, all the big projects take months after the ico before they launch the platform. I will add a point:
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Good health to Opair!
woot ? while in main thread is: "We estimate that we will have the first public Beta two weeks after we finish distributing the ICO" I don't want wallet-qt from any alt coin creator for 0.1BTC and give those guys 40% of escrow money. 7 BTC of bounties can be paid from 65BTC from 1st page there is no problem in that. 33 000$ is anogth to bring some beta wallet to prove that devs are real devs and this is not puppet show.If they deliver price will sky-rocket if they don't that will be another failed scam. Exactly! They've done nothing through the ICO period to take any doubts away and now the ICO is over it seems they are looking for a quick way to release the escrow funds. Can I just pm SJ with a signed message of one of my addresses I deposit with to get a refund? Or how does this work? |
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I want to talk about the agreement between SJ and wasserman99
in my view:
1/ we need to release beta wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount)to the project running .
2/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project .
3/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project .
We should not let the project run slowly and it will effect all investors . They have to pay money for this project so no reasons to pause the process because of this problem
Regards,
agreed for it it will the best Yes i agreed too, but remember that the first wallet will be a normal qt wallet, they said that need a few months of works before the release of the new platform. Its normal, all the big projects take months after the ico before they launch the platform. I will add a point: 1/ we need to release beta wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount) to the project running . 2/ SJ sent 7 btc to Lutpin to pay the signature campaign. 3/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project . 4/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project . Good health to Opair! I agree with this, but remembet as kooke said, that the wallet will be a qt normal wallet, the beta version will come after some weeks, so this would be: 1/ we need to release the first wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount)to the project running . 2/ SJ sent 7 btc to Lutpin to pay the signature campaign. 3/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project. 4/ We release the beta wallet. 5/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project.
But before we sent a plan like this to sebastianju and he dont accept the plan, so he propose the refunds period and he release the remaining after that. There is more then enough coin from 1st phase in your wallet to pay for bounties, all this makes me trust you guys even less. SJ should not agree to this. |
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Please guys we are trying our best to get all of your Bitcoin address as soon as possible. Discussing about getting paid or not will do nothing so I please request you all to please be patient.
Still we are waiting for others. I will personally send all of them a PM to send me their Bitcoin address so that we speed up to payment processing.
For the meantime I would again request to be patient.
Thanks for the assurance, you are really a great manager. I hope all the manager are like you who always update so the participants will not worry. What assurance? Campaign manager got no say in when we get paid. I agree with this, but remembet as kooke said, that the wallet will be a qt normal wallet, the beta version will come after some weeks, so this would be:
1/ we need to release the first wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount)to the project running .
2/ SJ sent 7 btc to Lutpin to pay the signature campaign.
3/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project.
4/ We release the beta wallet.
5/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project.
But before we sent a plan like this to sebastianju and he dont accept the plan, so he propose the refunds period and he release the remaining after that.
They claim they need 7 btc from escrow for the bounties. |
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I would like to sell one of my twitter accounts which I'm not using anymore. For more details visit: https://twitter.com/_CryptoCoinshttps://www.twitteraudit.com/_CryptoCoinsI want to sell for BTC 0.05 or make me a good offer. There is no phone number added to the account and I can give the email address as well. Using a escrow is fine with me but the costs are for the buyer. |
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