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4201  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2017, 02:58:56 AM
Not really the outcome they were expecting, hey r0ach?

Well, it's pretty damn clear this evil cult of jewish money changers are desperate for a scapegoat as to why the global economy blows up.  Anything to try and redirect attention from themselves being the cause.  They will probably have thrown 10 false flags at the dart board before this all goes down in flames and then settle on setting off an EMP and trying to blame it on North Korea.
4202  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2017, 02:41:30 AM
I'm pretty sure Jeff's OD'ed on the red pills. He's been shilling for gold the last few weeks encouraging us to use BTC profits and now this. https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dollarvigilante/the-globalist-plan-to-blame-bitcoin-for-biblical-level-collapse-in-2018
And I like contemplating conspiracy but this might be over the top even for me (and torque?)  Cool

This is actually the EXACT idea that crossed my mind and I'll tell you why.  The fed speaks in code in public statements and hints at various things for their minions to pick up.  They said something like they were monitoring the price of bitcoin and it wasn't a problem but "could cause financial instability" if it continued to rise.  The banks want some type of scapegoat BESIDES THEMSELVES to blame for economic collapse.  That scapegoat is either going to be war or anything else they can invent, anything to try and redirect blame from the jews that caused it.

It's possible they will be like "hello goyim, too much liquidity has left the system and into bitcoin and caused it to collapse. We are now passing a law that you're not allowed to use bitcoin and must use federal reserve digital token instead".  Then they get their cashless society slave system + scapegoat for economic collapse in one swoop.  The plan probably wouldn't work, but these are psychopathic jewish money changers we're talking about here.
4203  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: December 13, 2017, 01:42:43 AM
For all the bible thumpers in this thread, I present to you clear and undeniable logic as to why bitcoin (and other imaginary monetary instruments like fiat) are immoral scams:

Raoul posted the full story today, an absolutely must read for all... .

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/12/bitcoin-doesnt-exist-the-full-story/

Didn't read it all yet, but the quote and it's conclusions "So money at its most austere is simply a promise" was kind of bullshit.  The real crux of the situation is that money is an imaginary or social construct humans use to try and gain leverage over one another, and so the further you abstract human trade away from barter, the bigger an immoral scam you have created.  THIS is why only physical commodity currencies can be money, whether it's gold, silver, oil, wheat, or what have you.  Anything that does not have some type of roots in the real world is a flat out scam because you're inherently trying to con other humans into accepting something of no value for a real world good of value.

you are not dumb roach stop living in the 15th century zzzzz

Just because a system can become widespread doesn't mean it's not an immoral scam.  This is why people like the Amish have checked out of society, because it's too hard to work around all the consumerism, fiat scams, etc.  Yea, you can argue the Amish have gone a little too far in the opposite direction, but that's besides the point.
4204  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2017, 01:30:31 AM
The birth of coins such as LTC are similar in their lack of disgustingness but that absolute purity can't happen again.

This is actually completely wrong as most BTC old-timers claim LTC was some type of Artforz hidden miner scam.
4205  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2017, 01:27:43 AM
Decentralization and creator anonymity is basically what makes bitcoin valuable. But trying to get peoples minds around that...

It looks like you failed the "get your mind around it" test since you can't figure out mining is designed to centralize.  The word "proof of", whether it's work or stake, or proof of anything else just means proof of monopoly, but craptocurrency pump and dump shills are unable to stop lying about it.
4206  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2017, 01:19:01 AM
Goyim of the world unite!

All politicians are generally garbage, but it will soon be time to watch the yids flip their lids if they fail to derail the Roy Moore campaign.
4207  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2017, 11:19:12 PM
and we have already disseminate 79,7% of the bitcoins.

In the grand scheme of things, bitcoin will probably have zero effect on the trajectory the world is locked into.  The only portion of the population that is doing okay is the 35% or so who are all-in on helicopter money fueled stocks, and bitcoin distribution is so terrible due to ASICs that it probably only alters that 35% of who are ok to 35.1 at most%.  So in America at least, the country is doomed to civil unrest and implosion no matter what.
4208  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: December 12, 2017, 10:57:28 PM
For all the bible thumpers in this thread, I present to you clear and undeniable logic as to why bitcoin (and other imaginary monetary instruments like fiat) are immoral scams:

Raoul posted the full story today, an absolutely must read for all... .

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/12/bitcoin-doesnt-exist-the-full-story/

Didn't read it all yet, but the quote and it's conclusions "So money at its most austere is simply a promise" was kind of bullshit.  The real crux of the situation is that money is an imaginary or social construct humans use to try and gain leverage over one another, and so the further you abstract human trade away from barter, the bigger an immoral scam you have created.  THIS is why only physical commodity currencies can be money, whether it's gold, silver, oil, wheat, or what have you.  Anything that does not have some type of roots in the real world is a flat out scam because you're inherently trying to con other humans into accepting something of no value for a real world good of value.
4209  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2017, 10:54:01 PM
Raoul posted the full story today, an absolutely must read for all... .

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2017/12/bitcoin-doesnt-exist-the-full-story/

This is truly awesome. Very well written!

Didn't read it all yet, but the quote and it's conclusions "So money at its most austere is simply a promise" was kind of bullshit.  The real crux of the situation is that money is an imaginary or social construct humans use to try and gain leverage over one another, and so the further you abstract human trade away from barter, the bigger an immoral scam you have created.  THIS is why only physical commodity currencies can be money, whether it's gold, silver, oil, wheat, or what have you.  Anything that does not have some type of roots in the real world is a flat out scam because you're inherently trying to con other humans into accepting something of no value for a real world good of value.
4210  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: December 12, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
They need to just rename this whole sector "pump and dump scam":

Since this market is nothing but one giant scam with centralized mining, a centralized technocracy controlling coin parameters and development, and centralized collusion controlling where the price goes among a handful of corporate entites like Pantera Capital, the fact that all alts turned green means BTC dump imminent because they now want to try and sell you overpriced altcoins instead of overpriced btc.

They may have been wrong before, but not from what I recall, so these Wall Street style, douchebag "coin hedge funds" massive shift from BTC to alts in one giant wave is probably a valid indicator of what's going on.  These markets are entirely nothing but pump and dumps and nothing else.  They just try and run up one vapor worthless asset as high as they can, then as soon as they have successfully created a bubble there and it starts to falter, they then move on to the next place to try and create an artifical bubble somewhere else.  

Since each cryptocurrency is entirely as worthless as the next one with no valid valuation metrics possible because they're imaginary 0's and 1's, they believe they can just shift back and forth from one to another infinitely to extract money from people.  Most retail "investors" usually exit the market and never come back after either gaining or losing big, meaning if someone buys bitcoin for $1 and sells for $1000, they're never going to purchase a $17,000 bitcoin.  So this whole thing is one unsustainable trainwreck scam.
4211  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2017, 10:35:39 PM
Since this market is nothing but one giant scam with centralized mining, a centralized technocracy controlling coin parameters and development, and centralized collusion controlling where the price goes among a handful of corporate entites like Pantera Capital, the fact that all alts turned green means BTC dump imminent because they now want to try and sell you overpriced altcoins instead of overpriced btc.

But of course Mr Roach.

They may have been wrong before, but not from what I recall, so these Wall Street style, douchebag "coin hedge funds" massive shift from BTC to alts in one giant wave is probably a valid indicator of what's going on.  These markets are entirely nothing but pump and dumps and nothing else.  They just try and run up one vapor worthless asset as high as they can, then as soon as they have successfully created a bubble there and it starts to falter, they then move on to the next place to try and create an artifical bubble somewhere else.  

Since each cryptocurrency is entirely as worthless as the next one with no valid valuation metrics possible because they're imaginary 0's and 1's, they believe they can just shift back and forth from one to another infinitely to extract money from people.  Most retail "investors" usually exit the market and never come back after either gaining or losing big, meaning if someone buys bitcoin for $1 and sells for $1000, they're never going to purchase a $17,000 bitcoin.  So this whole thing is one unsustainable trainwreck scam.
4212  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
Since this market is nothing but one giant scam with centralized mining, a centralized technocracy controlling coin parameters, and centralized collusion controlling where the price goes among a handful of corporate entites like Pantera Capital, the fact that all alts turned green means BTC dump imminent because they're clearly signaling they now want to try and sell you overpriced altcoins instead of overpriced btc.
4213  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 11:54:03 PM
It’s not a shitty precious metal either that you can shovel out of the ground as soon as the price rises.

It looks like you have no understanding of the energy industry.  The only reason there was an enormous amount of metals being mined in the 20th century compared to all previous ones is because it was just a process of arbing excess energy that wasn't vital to keep nations running.  But now the energy industry as a whole has virtually given up funding to find new sources (maybe because they already took just about every low hanging fruit possible).  We are entering something resembling a Seneca cliff in the oil industry.

The only reason oil is plentiful right now in the US (and thus the price is low) is because enormous amounts of production increased lately that's almost entirely low grade shale/tar sand type stuff.  These alternative oil sources that are coming to market aren't even being done so at a profit.  They are losing money doing so.  How does it continue then?  There's lots of bad investment in the energy sector that has not toppled down and collapsed yet, but will because they are not making profits.  Or you can take the conspiracy route and think the US govt just prints money and gives it to them to subsidize the energy industry so it doesn't collapse (which is also possible since corporate welfare happens all the time).

Regardless, the era of having endless amounts of excess oil and energy to arb into bringing metals out of the ground is mostly over.  There will either be energy shortages from a Seneca cliff and no metals coming out of the ground, or energy prices will go to the moon, and since the price of oil makes up the vast majority of metals prices, metals go with them.  Here's a good chart to show the correlation of oil and metals.  Due to the bankers constantly naked shorting metals down to cost of production to try and suppress them and prop up the dollar, they act mostly as an energy futures contract until the global banker monopoly fix ends:

4214  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 09:14:14 PM
Now I started to believe more and more than next year will indeed be a good year for crypto currency cause the coin capital market table was full green.
Smiley

The smart money decided to leave the building already and knows cryptocurrencies are completely centralized scams at this point:

Quote
Also this from James A. Donald, the first person who communicated with Satoshi on the mailing list where Bitcoin was announced:

A bad time to invest in Bitcoin
October 8th, 2017

Back in 2013 I urged people to invest in Bitcoin.

Yesterday someone asked my cleaning lady to invest in Bitcoin.

Now if someone had asked her to accept payment in Bitcoin, or send payment in Bitcoin, then this would be compelling evidence that one should invest in Bitcoin.

But when cleaning ladies are asked to invest in Bitcoin, not a good investment.

When Bitcoin began, everyone was a miner, and everyone was a peer, everyone stored the entire blockchain. Which was great, but did not scale. And now people are struggling with half assed ideas about how to get it to scale.  Bitcoin can no longer deliver on its original promises, has not figured out what new promises to make, and many of the new promises are unworkable, or are scams, or are likely to turn into scams.
4215  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: December 11, 2017, 09:04:36 PM
Another day of converting worthless bitcoin into physical silver:



Thanks jew bankers for manipulating bitcoin as high as possible to distract the goyim from metals while suppressing the price of metals to cost of production.
4216  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 09:03:31 PM
Another day of converting worthless bitcoin into physical silver:



Thanks jew bankers for manipulating bitcoin as high as possible to distract the goyim from metals while suppressing the price of metals to cost of production.
4217  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
it was a fucking scary night. virtual wealth imploded. all we had left was to laugh. and boys, we had no clue about the following multiyear drought.

The Bulgarian govt has a bridge and $3 billion of bitcoin it wants to sell you at rock bottom high prices.
4218  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 08:45:58 PM
https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/992976Sanstitre.jpg

just posting this here to reserve my "i told you so" spot  Cheesy

18-19k top imo

If that chart plays out like you think, people would be trying to rebuy around $10k and think things are all peachy to go back in there, but since this was a long drawn out curve upwards resulting in a blowoff top, the market is obviously not going back to business as usual and instantly continue some uptrend from $10k.  It would be a long drawn out bear market and probably hit a fib level below 50% in the process.  It took a long time for the charts to develop that years long cup and handle that resulted in this move.  That would be the conclusion of an era and you're going into a brand new uncharted era from scratch when this retraces.
4219  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
You keep repeating the same wrong arguments all the time.

Bitcoin is on its way to reduce the fees with LN.

No, you're repeating scams and lies, because the base bitcoin network is not even close to decentralized.  PoW is designed to centralize through economy of scale and then people claim it requires a permanent technocratic dictatorship on the development side too.  Lightning network centralizes bitcoin even further.  I don't give a flying fuck if lightning reduces fees when neither bitcoin nor the lightning network are decentralized in the first place, while lightning makes the problem even worse than it already was.
4220  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2017, 08:36:47 PM
realr0ach

lol, what happened with the r0ach account?

Someone breached bitcointalk or something and stole my account + several other legendary accounts all at the same time.  There were numerous other people posting in this thread saying their accounts were gone at the same time.
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