Whoever you're talking with in Telegram is definitely a scammer. Glad you didn't pay them anything. I don't really understand how you got their Telegram name, but there's no way they actually work for the casino.

Just keep at it with contacting their main email support and try not to blow up at them. Although I can understand that it must be aggravating and I would be pissed off too.

Wish you good luck with getting your funds.

If you don't get them we will show you how to open a flag on the account that started their main thread. While there's only a slight chance it will increase your chances of getting your funds back, it will serve to warn others about what happened and make people that find them through this forum think twice before depositing there.

ps: I sent you a merit so after your account reaches 30 Activity you can post images.

You are now acting as the sole and final arbiter as to what a terrorist organization is. That's to be expected. So long as you aren't continuing to claim that Antifa wasn't declared/designated/whatever a "terrorist organization" by the government.

"Counterterrorism" and "Domestic" are two separate categories. Let's see, what other, non-Antifa reports fall under those two categories? Let's take a look.

White Racially Motivated Extremists Remain Resilient
Boogaloo Movement Gains Traction Amid Civil Unrest
Far-Right Extremists Leverage Anti-Lockdown Sentiments

And this one I think you could appreciate the most:

Disinformation Fuels Extremist Narratives

You should read it. It's about how extremists use false information to radicalize a captive audience and potentially recruit new members.

That same department also stated this:

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-support-violent-tactics

Using a category label for website posts is NOT the same thing as "classifying" a terrorist organization. If you look at the website's posts that are currently under that category label, you will see there are none. They recategorized Antifa-related posts under Counterterrorism and Domestic, which is probably why you are pointing to an archived version of the website. So whatever flimsy, half-assed, quarter-truth metric you were using to "classify" Antifa as "a terrorist organization" is now gone.

Here's what it looks like when actual terrorist organizations are classified/designated/declared as such:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/


OK, from TS's NJ Homeland Security Office website:

Domestic Terrorism in 2019

Plots, Attacks, Threats & Weapons Stockpiling

- 21 race-based extremist (19 white supremacists, 2 black supremacists)
- 14 anti-government extremist (4 militia extremists, 4 "sovereign citizens", 6 "anti-gov't")
- 7 single-issue extremist (5 anti-abortion, 2 anarchist extremists)
- 3 domestic terrorism in New Jersey (3 white supremacists)
- 2 Jersey City Shootings, December 10 (2 black separatists)

Add up the numbers any way you want, then accuse them of being communist propaganda spreaders, I guess.

Oh, lighten up. It was low-hanging fruit, and it sparked a mini-discussion about the origins of Roger Ver's bitcoin divinity.

Its "simply not in reality," but you can't explain why.

The report actually describes Antifa in great detail -- did you not see that part? To hate on an article because it is outdated is also lame. Maybe after 2020 has concluded, the gray line will be above the blue line, who knows:



"Thousands of people injured and some killed"... "billions of dollars of property damage"... do you have a source for these figures or did they just sound right?

Can you just give me a time on the video where he explains the story? I'd rather not have to watch the whole thing.

This was the version I was familiar with:


https://www.cnbc.com/2013/12/02/meet-bitcoin-jesus-a-virtual-currency-millionaire.html

Well Roger Ver was dubbed Bitcoin Jesus at one point, so that's pretty close. He swears he didn't come up with the nickname himself, but I don't think he minds it.

You already asked me about this and I already answered that I don't approve of what Antifa does. C'mon man. I know you're back in town to collect some of that sweet Bitvest payout but try to demonstrate a little more reading comprehension.

Nobody is "redefining terms" except for you, and none of anything you've said so far changes the fact that right wing extremists kill more people each year than Antifa. It remains incredibly lazy to simply dismiss the report as being communist propaganda because it didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. It's a highly unsophisticated knee-jerk reaction.

Your whole premise was supposed to be "passive income", remember? Now you come back to say "if you woulda done something other than what the bot said to do, you would have had big wins." How is that "passive," and how does it help your clients? If HCP didn't do what the correct thing to do was, why would you make that an option? I know... I'm basically asking you why would you recommend people not use the bot's default settings, LOL.

In your last post from your thread, in December, you wrote that the only reason people wouldn't join is if they hated free bitcoin. Turns out the reality is people should only join if they hate their bitcoin.

HCP isn't the only one. This guy got rekt by Atheon... was he using it wrong too?

OK, we all understand jbear's belief: big blocks is better and will some day not only flip BTC but rule the world. He's been wrong every day of every year since July 2017, and will likely continue to be wrong indefinitely, but if he wants to hold out irrational hope as as shitcoiners are wont to do, we shouldn't crush his dreams any further. After all, most of us have our secret shitcoin fantasies that we just aren't as ready to divulge in this thread.

Having said that,


Sorry to break it to you but however unfortunately you're the only one around here who sees Roger Ver or Craig Wright as "god".  

No right wing groups have been designated as terror groups because there is no legal context in which to do so, just like with Antifa. That's the point you're missing. Anybody can "label" anybody anything and it doesn't necessarily have an effect on anything. It's just rhetoric, and you bought in to Trump's rhetoric part and parcel.

You guys can argue semantics all day long but at the end of the day the assertion that "Trump has designated Antifa a terrorist organization" remains incorrect.

What? You just did though.


That's you saying I made or contributed to "the crazy far left violence being orchestrated and played out," which is as equally insane as it is lazy. You're attempting to shift the argument to an emotional one because you can't present an argument based on logic or substance. It requires too much time to research and form valid objections based on facts, so you are taking the lazy way out.


First of all, the report data ends at the end of May. It doesn't take into account anything that happened in June or July. Second of all, it only takes into account "terrorist attacks and plots by perpetrator organization" -- not ALL "left wing violence." So all the injuries to cops (1800 was your unsourced claim) wouldn't be included unless each one was designated as a "terrorist attack" and the attack was reported as being done by antifa. For the most part I don't think the police record these incidents as falling into either category.

Maybe the data will change in the next report.

For now, you are rejecting it outright as a "fantasy" because it doesn't meet your particular standards which are based on nothing other than your desire to only accept results as true if they reinforce your world view.

Isn't this "whataboutism"? Lol. I don't give a shit about what Nancy Pelosi does or says and I wish she was removed from office just as much as you do. She (and a few others) are the reason why we need term limits in congress.


It depends on who you are defining to be "the left." If that includes me, then I'd say no, it isn't.


That's not what I'm saying. I was preemptively pointing to the prime example that I imagine would be used to make the case that Antifa are terrorists.


What I'm actually saying is these right wing groups which have been behind the majority of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 aren't being labeled "terrorist organizations" for the same reason Antifa isn't.


You keep repeating this as if I'm supposed to cave to your stereotype and take its form.

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Again, you provided no qualitative counterargument and just dismissed a well-researched report as "patent nonsense" because you don't like what it had to say. Instead you basically blamed me for "crazy far left violence", LOL. You want to change longstanding definitions of terms and replace real data with what you "last heard", so that way you don't have to adjust anything about your mindset.  This is very lazy maneuvering.

You didn't actually rebut anything put forth in the report. It just wasn't immediately what you wanted to hear, so you dismissed it on a source-level. That's the easy way out. I could have done the same thing with TS's Washington Examiner article but instead I looked into it and demonstrated exactly why it was incorrect.

My reference comes from what claims to be a bi-partisan think tank, and its chairman of the board is a billionaire who has made several donations to Republican candidates over a period of decades. But that's all irrelevant if you can't dissect what is actually incorrect about the report.

I don't know what the solution to the Antifa problem is, but sending federal troops to Portland certainly didn't help. People are angry at a culmination of problems and the rage has now boiled over out of the pot. The interesting thing is that a number of people from all walks of life are all joining in the protests and collectively being branded as "Antifa," which is another reason why its hard to simply label everybody involved as "terrorists" (though it certainly would be easy, wouldn't it).

LOL bro.

That's an article from July 2017, and the NJ HS office report referenced doesn't once use the word "terrorist" or "terror" or any other derivation of the word. It classifies Antifa as "anarchist extremists." The article is flat out wrong.

More recently:

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-support-violent-tactics

You posted that already, and it doesn't disprove my statement. No government body has declared Antifa to be a "terrorist organization," not even the FBI, ATF, CIA, or NSA.

LOL this guy used the covid selloff to make a chart formation 

The reason another selloff won't happen is because of the record-breaking capital injection by the fed. That will keep all markets buoyant for some time to come, including BTC.

No wonder he's been wrong for months. I hope nobody actually acted on his "tips".

I would say its actually more of a "Trump rallying his base" issue and like most proclamations Trump has ever made, nothing will become of it.

If you want my opinion: Antifa isn't helping themselves by defacing and damaging property, throwing things at cops or lighting things on fire. And of course I think that's bad, if it really needs to be said. Certainly innocent people/businesses are getting caught up in their antics and they are discrediting their own movement.

I'd say its a little extreme to call them "terrorists" -- if they were conducting bombings, assassinations or kidnappings, then I would be more likely to agree with the label. One guy swinging a hammer at a federal agent isn't enough to sway my opinion.

As a whole, right wing extremists continue to kill more Americans each year than every other type of extremist group - foreign or domestic - combined. Yet for some reason there's not a single mention of them here in this thread (other than by me).

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

BTW, incels are responsible for more deaths in just 1 attack than all Antifa "attacks" combined, ever. They should probably be designated a terrorist organization as well.

That's better, but it still has the same legal weight and ramifications as me declaring mosquitoes to be terrorists.

Actually, let's take a look at what he actually said:



This will require new laws to be written. Currently, domestic groups can't be labeled terrorist organizations. So no, he never even "designated" Antifa as a terrorist organization, nor did anybody else.

I actually pointed this out a month ago: