A jebo ga  ti slackovicu, pa nisam rekao da ce forum zamrijeti zbog evil feeja, nego ako se ne uvedu neke promjene koje ce privuci nove korisnike, evil fee je samo dio toga.

Slazem se za Discord, on je po svom ustroju nasjlicniji forumu, te i nudi mogucnost kvalitetnije  razine rasprave u odnosu na Twitter/Telegram/Reddit. Forum je tu naravno neprikosnoven, ali jebiga konkurencija je zestoka a ovim glavnima kao da nije previse stalo. Ali eto, izgleda da ce se pokrenuti i bitcointalk YouTube channel pa mozda to malo pomogne.

While I can't find now some examples of my reports from airdrop sites, what I am 100% sure is that ANN threads usually get deleted if you provide screenshot of the the project's TG group stating that they are giving tokens in exchange for comments in thread. Like with everything else, Telegram groups are extremely easy to fake, you can even get tens of thousands of fake members for peanuts to appear group looking real and get the thread deleted.

Point is, if you really wanna get competitor's thread deleted or even reputation ruined, there are so many ways to do it. Anyway, it was just a suggestion that I think it could help clearing up the forum.

If anything, I think that OP could end up being scammed as account farmers might just spam him with requests to pay the evil fee, bullshiting about the reasons.

But as you said, since there are people who can whitelist legit users for free, there is no need to pay.

Since scams are not moderated on bitcointalk, he can't get banned over this. Hell, you could scam millions and still have your account here, it wouldn't make any difference. All we can do is to tag&flag @Small Rabbit and that's about it. Hopefully that should be enough so noone else on this forum will be willing to work with him/her.

Yeah I am aware that could happen (even though its imho unlikely) but can't you do the same already, by organizing giveaway on one of those airdrop sites and including posting on bitcointalk as one of the requirements to get the airdrop? Forum staff usually accepts that as a valid evidence of incentivizing posting, and deletes/archives the thread.

If deleting is too drastic and could leads to manipulation, what could be done alternatively is to at least lock those threads until its confirmed that creator of Ann didn't have anything to do with it.

Pa kao sto je theymos dao prava tim forumskim veteranima da whitelistaju ove koje zakaci evil fee, tako bi se moglo napraviti i sa odobravanjem newbia. Takve ekipa koja bi htjela to raditi fala Bogu ne fali tako da ni to ne bi bio problem.

Uglavnom, ako se ne uvedu neke promjene ovaj forum ce postati potpuno zamrijeti jer bez novih clanova nema ni foruma.

Ah, that explains it then. I thought  that I am missing something as that it's possible to get those ann threads deleted after all.



I wish mods get a little bit more strict and delete all ANN threads where 99.99% of the posts are made by sock puppet accounts. They could even use rule nr 1 as the basis for post deletion, "No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.", since they obviously don't want to apply that rule about no incentivizing posting, even though it's obvious that someone is getting paid to spam there.

@aucoinmaster incase some of those "marketing agencies" (as they like to call themselves) contact you after seeing your thread, claiming that they can push your ANN thread to the top and create "organic" conversations and fake the interest, just ignore them. It doesn't look good at all and if anything can make your project look dodgy. You ANN might end up on this infamous  list of ANN threads that are using bumping services, where you can see some examples how bad that looks.

Yep, it looks like bitcointalk YouTube channel might go live very soon and I am really excited about it. People  nowadays spend shit load of time on YT (not just kids/teenagers, but grown ups too) so this might be a way to attract more people to bitcontalk, and even more to bitcoin!

But that's just a tip of the iceberg, as inCruises is just throwing money and other perks at those that keep bringing new people in. First you get 150 USD for every new member that you bring, then you get 15  USD per month for every new member you refer as long as he keep paying for his membership, then there is a free cruise when you bring 5 new people in etc. The whole focus of this scheme is  to keep bringing new people in, as they need them in order to keep giving such bonuses. The only ones who are similarly aggressive when it comes to bringing new users in are pyramid/MLM schemes. I simply don't see a legit business model that can give such bonuses.

Funny thing, I found bunch of YT videos in which people are openly advertising this as a MLM .

Ok, let's apply your business model to the gift card example. So, I come every month to a store and buy $100 amazon gift card, and every time I buy I get $200, which i can't use for another 12 months. After 1 year and spending $1200, now I have $2400 worth of gift cards. I wonder how long will it take for that store to go out of the business? How can that gift card reseller keep up with 100% bonus for every customer?

Two basic characteristics of pyramid scheme are here:

• Big affiliate bonus so people have incentive to do drag their friends and family into this
• Locking up funds to give you some more wiggle room, while new members are paying for the old ones.

How exactly you managed to get that topic deleted? Did you report the first post to the mods, or mods did that by themselves? I am asking because I tried many times in the past to get threads that hired bumping service deleted, to no avail even though it was obvious to everyone what's going on.

You forgot to explain from where that bonus comes from, as after 1 year of paying the membership you end up with 2400 Cruise Dollars, that you can then use for cruises.

No matter how you wrap it up, this still looks like another pyramid scheme, as that's the only way your business model can work. What would happen if new people stop buying membership, how could you pay old ones 100% yearly bonus?

Never saw a gym with even remotely similar membership model.

DCA indeed works, but only if you decide to buy something that is good for you long term hodl, meaning you should avoid 99.99% of the altcoins especially meme coins and other similar crap) and instead get something that can survive the bear market, which will inevitably come. The only alt I would consider buying using DCA is ETH and nothing else.

And yeah, something like buying $100 worth of crypto once per month is a good tactic. You don't have to save $1000 first and start investing, but simply buy as much crypto as you can (and how much you are willing to loose).

I was referring to a thread that Cyrus started yesterday,  Bitcointalk Youtube channel - what would you like to see?. I know that you are active in Meta, so I am surpried that you somehow missed that. Great initiative I think, if properly done it might popularize bitcointalk and bring some people.

+1

This trend can be certainly slowed down (at least), and even that is worth trying. First step is to recognize that there is a problem, and I think that everyone now is well aware of that, (including the forum staff), given some of the recent measures like whitelisting those that got flagged for evil fee, and now there are even talks about bitcointalk YouTube channel.

From what I understand, you pay 100 usd per month, so it's not one time fee, but more of a subscription model, in which you invest 1200 usd in 12 months, and you get 2400 credit dollars. Trick is that after a year you can only use 60% of that amount, and each subsequent year it goes up by 10%, meaning it takes you 5 years to unlock that amount. Obvious question is from where all that bonus money comes, and even more obvious is the answer

So yeah, I don't see how their business model can keep working if new people stop joining in, meaning this is probably just another pyramid scheme, hiding behind MLM.

Just took a quick look at InCruise, and if anything it looks to me like a convoluted MLM scheme hidden behind cruises, discounts, referrals and usual mumbo jumbo typical for similar schemes that will work as long as there is constant influx of new people.

Care to explain how can someone get 2400 worth of "cruise credits"  that can be used for cruise vacations if you invest 1200 USD. That's 100% bonus that is coming out of thin air? (in this case most likely from new recruits).

I think that part of the problem lies in the way that evil fee message is constructed. When a person who never visited bitcointalk before in his life (and  often knows very little about bitcoin) sees that "welcoming" message "Your IP address has previously been used for evil on this forum..." of course that strong reaction is expected, and in huge majority of cases they will go elsewhere. It's not 2011 anymore, people have plenty of other choices and in question is can this forum allow to loose potential good members over this. In the end, I know who won't have any issues paying the fee; those that are registering in order to profit.

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I know its still early, but I have a question for those that have power to whitelist new users: any cases yet in which system flagged someone by mistake?

I guess they plan to advertise their project NFT Gate, here is the website link https://nftgate.io/ . What I could understand from very limited amount of info on their website, they plan to be some sort of launchpad/platform for NFTs from various games.

@NFTGate  as others already told you, unless you know how signature campaigns work on this forum (by the way you started it doesn't look like you know this things usually work), its highly suggested that you hire someone to do the work for you. if you want it done in a proper way.