Eureka! I think people is concerned with price deflation and not with monetary deflation. As you say, bitcoin doesn't have monetary deflation*. To have price deflation with a stable monetary base, you assume you're going to have economic growth. If a price deflation caused only by growth is good or bad for the economy is to be proven in my opinion. But "deflation is good because everything becomes cheaper" is not an statement that I can agree with. By definition, if the economy is actually growing, then the price deflation must logically be a reflection of good tidings. I can't really believe that this has to be stated. A reflection, yes. Growth causes (with a fixed monetary base) deflation, that we agree. But what is to be proven is that it causes a further economic development or if it can cause (without a previous inflationary boom, just caused by real economic growth) a recession. Many people assume that if the price deflation is caused just by growth, it is harmless. If the price deflation is a product of economic growth, than it's logically impossible for there to be a recession caused by the same. Um, no. Review your logic. That took me two seconds. Logic reviewed. You should try learning some. Suppose y is the real economic growth rate, t is the inflation rate, g is a variable that affects economic growth directly (but not inflation), and p is a variable that affects inflation directly (but not economic growth). p would always affect g. They are never independent in an economic venue. Thus your little attempt at mathmatic bs is just that. Let me try this another way. Assuming everything else remains the same, and that the monetary base is static; the price deflation is an effect of the overall economic growth. Price deflation is the symptom while the economic growth is it's cause. So long as the economic growth continues, the price deflation does as well, yes? When the economic growth declines, so does the rate of price deflation, yes? Thus, when the rate of price deflation stops or goes negative, it's a symptom that the economic growth has already gone into recession. The symptom follows the cause. The symptom cannot be the cause. Granted, a real economy is complex, with many feedback effects; which means that this is an overly simple way of looking at the issue. However, taken alone, the price deflation cannot logically be the cause of a recession in this scenario. Even though the prior price deflation could contribute to the severity of a decline, it cannot cause it.
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You keep paraphrasing me with things I do not say, and you completely ignored the point that due process is impossible in your system.
You implied that due process was unlikely in an anarchist state, not that it was impossible. If you are arguing for impossible, then argue it. Don't just make subjective statements and then later declare it to be impossible because I said so already and nobody (that I listen to, which is no one but myself anyway) contradicted my subjective opinion proof! I can agree with you on one point here, due process isn't a certainty. But then again, nothing is. I know that due process isn't a certainty with the system we have now, even if you would personally trust your freedom to it's judgement. I, for one, wouldn't trust it. I would guess that you are white, male and grew up middle class; and thus you have a profound trust that the justice system would treat you fairly. If you are white & middle class, you're right. However, that does not describe us all. And even if you generally give the system as it is your faith, what do you do when you see police lights in your rearview mirror at night? Do you faithfully pull over to let the cop pass by, certain that he is pursuing someone else? Or do you tense up, and check your speedometer?
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I started to read the link, but stopped when I hit the bullcrap at the top. Why should I read it? I know that it's wrong. Waste of lifespan.
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Eureka! I think people is concerned with price deflation and not with monetary deflation. As you say, bitcoin doesn't have monetary deflation*. To have price deflation with a stable monetary base, you assume you're going to have economic growth. If a price deflation caused only by growth is good or bad for the economy is to be proven in my opinion. But "deflation is good because everything becomes cheaper" is not an statement that I can agree with. By definition, if the economy is actually growing, then the price deflation must logically be a reflection of good tidings. I can't really believe that this has to be stated. A reflection, yes. Growth causes (with a fixed monetary base) deflation, that we agree. But what is to be proven is that it causes a further economic development or if it can cause (without a previous inflationary boom, just caused by real economic growth) a recession. Many people assume that if the price deflation is caused just by growth, it is harmless. If the price deflation is a product of economic growth, than it's logically impossible for there to be a recession caused by the same. Um, no. Review your logic. That took me two seconds. Logic reviewed. You should try learning some.
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I know what my client is doing. Do some research before you expose your own ignorance. The packets aren't even encrypted. You can use a sniffer and look at them yourself if you don't trust the code.
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Eureka! I think people is concerned with price deflation and not with monetary deflation. As you say, bitcoin doesn't have monetary deflation*. To have price deflation with a stable monetary base, you assume you're going to have economic growth. If a price deflation caused only by growth is good or bad for the economy is to be proven in my opinion. But "deflation is good because everything becomes cheaper" is not an statement that I can agree with. By definition, if the economy is actually growing, then the price deflation must logically be a reflection of good tidings. I can't really believe that this has to be stated. A reflection, yes. Growth causes (with a fixed monetary base) deflation, that we agree. But what is to be proven is that it causes a further economic development or if it can cause (without a previous inflationary boom, just caused by real economic growth) a recession. Many people assume that if the price deflation is caused just by growth, it is harmless. If the price deflation is a product of economic growth, than it's logically impossible for there to be a recession caused by the same. And if a recession were to occur for other reasons, thatn price deflation could not proceed uninterupted. This, of course, is all relative to the economic activity represented by the movement of bitcoin, and that is such an insignificant amount overall that the US economy (or any other) could easily return to a reccession while the bitcoin economy is still in massive growth. But for clarity, let me restate the issue. If the bitcoin economy is growing, then it can't be in recession. If the monetary base is maintained (it's not, bitcoin is still inflationary) it's impossible for price deflation to occur as a direct result of growth while such an economy is in recession. A recession is, by definition, the opposite of growth. Understand?
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I agree that would be great, but I don't know if it's possible. The current clients are basically doing password cracking/hashing - that probably wasn't one of the "good causes" you had in mind. The miners are not trying to crack anyone's passwords. The proof-of-work system defends the blockchain from brute force attacks. If you can actually think of a better way to do it, speak up; but many minds have been bent to this problem in the past.
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goxed with my dick in my hand
Please leave your personal habits out of it, thanks.
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finntheceltI posted this question in another thread ( http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21615.0;all) How will flexcoin use the Bitcoins? The FAQ does not give any information on this subject. What safeguards are there against flexcoin making bad investments and being unable to give deposits back? None whatever. Proceed with caution.
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I advocate imprisonment.
OK. Who pays? Who pays for the criminal's meals, medical care, housing, and protection? And if we goofed, who pays for that 'truckload of money'? With slave labor the prison might turn a profit. No.
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Eureka! I think people is concerned with price deflation and not with monetary deflation. As you say, bitcoin doesn't have monetary deflation*. To have price deflation with a stable monetary base, you assume you're going to have economic growth. If a price deflation caused only by growth is good or bad for the economy is to be proven in my opinion. But "deflation is good because everything becomes cheaper" is not an statement that I can agree with. By definition, if the economy is actually growing, then the price deflation must logically be a reflection of good tidings. I can't really belive that this has to be stated.
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Whichever copy of the private address key inside of the wallet that spends the coins first is the valid copy, and all others become invalid. However, advance keys are generated inside the wallet. So if you suspect that an encrypted copy of your wallet has been taken, then the best course of action is to transfer out all of your coins from that wallet, and then completely destroy that wallet.dat file.
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Bitcoin does have a killer app, and it's one we all use. The near zero costs of transfering value across limitless distances. If you don't think that this is a revolutionary core feature, try sending 20 Euros to Kenya.
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I say, we should rule out hyperinflation by demanding that all governments adopt Bitcoins as the new fundamental entity that all sovereign / central bank currencies are required to be backed by; it can be the new medium for international settlements. Declaring that 1 US dollar (Federal Reserve Note) is convertible to 0.00001 BTC sounds about right - that makes the base money supply about US$2T (asymptotically, once all Bitcoins are mined), which is about the same amount that exists in physical coins and bills today. And corresponding conversion factors can be adopted for GBP, Euros, etc. Then basically the entire world will be on one monetary system - Bitcoins - and international trade can be much more streamlined. But all of the existing financial infrastructure can remain in place. See my new blog post - http://minetopics.blogspot.com/2011/06/bitcoin-banking-and-new-gold-standard.htmlAnd feel free to repost it widely. 15 years and it won't make any difference.
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Bitcoin will probably continue to appreciate in value, and the exchanges will be very volatile, until a superior successor to bitcoin is introduced or the speculative bubble that props up 99% of bitcoin's value collapses. I'd definitely buy them at 5-10 cents a coin, but I think that anything over 25 cents/coin is pure speculation, based upon their historical average price.
You're either going to change this position eventually or be bitcoin poor.
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So, assuming we're going to be in the next Great Depression in 12 months or so, will Bitcoin remain true as a safe haven for our wealth and labor?
By a number of metrics, we already are as bad economicly as during the early part of the depression. That said, it doesn't feel like as bad to us, because we are all used to the history talking about starvation of Americans and adject poverty. We don't see starvation because of advances in mechanical agriculture (bear in mind, in 1929 the automobile was a status symbol, farm tractors were uncommon, and most family owned farms still depended upon working animals), advances in botany in general, and the so called 'green revolution'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_RevolutionWe are the beneficiaries of these events, and they have been buffering our population against the full brunt of a depression. That said, the effects are present, and a rising number of American families are direct beneficiaries of "nutritian programs" such as food stamps, WIC, ecetera. The hallmark of such events is wealth transfer. If the government takes steps to confiscate 401k's like gold was confiscated in the 1930's, there will be a mad dash into safe havens of value, and if Bitcoin is close to maturity (it's not remotely right now) then it's value would shoot to the moon as measured against fiat currencies.
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Adjusting for inflation (which always will grow exponentially) the price may seem exponential, and this may create the illusion (which i also had) that bitcoin is deflationary when it isn't.
Congrats on your induction into the higher order of forum membership. I've been trying to dispell the myth that Bitcoin is deflationary for some time.
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You cannot in one breath say that me forcing my system on you is aggression, then in the next say that you forcing your system on me is not aggression. That's logical inconsistency.
Fact #1, the system that you advocate presently exists, and is forced upon those of us who do not agree. Fact #2, the system that we advocate does not exist, and no one is presently forced to abide by it. In our theoretical depictions of it, you would not be forced to do anything beyond respecting the social conventions that already exist, namely property rights and human rights. Therefore, your opinion upon whether our theoretical society would be coercive or not is irrelevant. Do you disagree?
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Minimum wage should be denominated in terms of sustenance. For instance an hours wage is worth the cost of a quart of milk, a loaf of bread, and a pound of butter. This eliminates the inflationary issue because if the price of food goes up, so does your wage.
In what area, in what store?
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Keep us informed about your progress.
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