Thank you very much for the offers and suggestions. What would suit me best is buying used slightly outdated working gear, such as s3 for example. When s5 becomes outdated I would then start buying them. I would appreciate offers from big farmers who often upgrade, since it would be a profitable relationship for both parts. All these old miners who often pile up your warehouse/get trashed away or sold at a very small price to dozens of buyers wasting you time and headache can have a single buyer instantly when you don't want them anymore.

Contact me if you believe we can do business. If we can work on avoiding customs, seizure, taxes and slow delivery together, we would surely have a great profitable relationship. I would be willing to buy small quantities such as 2-3 as well as huge quantities such as 200+.
Don't worry. Escrow is a must.

I know right? People still awaiting and some of them have strong stockhold syndrome and even defend these guys. It's clear they planned on scamming from the beggining. If they did want to refund investors they would have done so years ago. It only takes 3 minutes to send the btc back. They are stalling since october.

Now some of you might say "well why dont they disappear?" simple, they are scared of reactions. They left some trails and only are caring for themselves. They want this to be stalled for as long as possible so people would forget about them/not care when they finally disappear for good.
We need to teach these guys a lession and hunt them down. I know I wouldn't care if somebody killed them. Does the world a favor IMO

In fact I would even donate all my btc they scammed to get these guys seriously hurt or damaged. At least take everything they stole from everyone + all they have.

I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS EXOSTAFF. All comfortable in GERMANY with our money, huh? Some of us do not forget.

Frete por minha conta - PAC RJ. Caso esteja na região metropolitana do RJ posso ir buscar.
Aceito escrow (VOCÊ NÃO PRECISA CONFIAR EM MIM, ENVIO O DINHEIRO A UM MEMBRO CONFIÁVEL E CONHECIDO PRIMEIRO, DE NOSSA ESCOLHA, ANTES DE VOCÊ ENVIAR AS MÁQUINAS).
Envio a você primeiro apenas se for excepcionalmente reputável, confiável e conhecido.

Antminer
s1 - R$75
s2 - R$560
s3 - R$260
s3+ - R$280
s4 - R$1875
s5 - R$1100
s4+ - R$3000

Nao importa se forem usados, mas tem que estar em pleno funcionamento, especialmente todos os chips operacionais e ventoinhas. Caso não esteja, me descreva o(s) problema(s) e talvez eu compre mesmo assim, com desconto.
Aceito propostas destes mineradores, outros e materiais. Não perca seu tempo enviando propostas absurdas.
Essa é sua chance de se livrar de mineradores que não pagam - ou não pagarão em breve - nem a energia elétrica industrial de alta tensão, quanto mais residencial ou comercial.
Pago em BTC ou reais (transferencia, deposito, dinheiro vivo etc). Prefiro BTC.

Frete por minha conta - PAC RJ. Caso esteja na região metropolitana do RJ posso ir buscar.
Aceito escrow (VOCÊ NÃO PRECISA CONFIAR EM MIM, ENVIO O DINHEIRO A UM MEMBRO CONFIÁVEL E CONHECIDO PRIMEIRO, DE NOSSA ESCOLHA, ANTES DE VOCÊ ENVIAR AS MÁQUINAS).
Envio a você primeiro apenas se for excepcionalmente reputável, confiável e conhecido.

Antminer
s1 - R$75
s2 - R$560
s3 - R$260
s3+ - R$280
s4 - R$1875
s5 - R$1100
s4+ - R$3000

Não importa se forem usados, mas tem que estar em pleno funcionamento, especialmente todos os chips operacionais e ventoinhas. Caso não esteja, me descreva o(s) problema(s) e talvez eu compre mesmo assim, com desconto.
Aceito propostas destes mineradores, outros e materiais. Não perca seu tempo enviando propostas absurdas.
Essa é sua chance de se livrar de mineradores que não pagam - ou não pagarão em breve - nem a energia elétrica industrial de alta tensão, quanto mais residencial ou comercial.
Pago em BTC ou reais (transferencia, deposito, dinheiro vivo etc). Prefiro BTC.

1) Not all users need to run a full node. Most of them don't
2) It will take a long time before (and if) we have 20mb blocks. I don't expect that before 2020.
3) Connection speed and hardware advance fast. If I am not wrong average global internet speed when blockchain was started was ~3mb/s and now is well over 20mb/s. Many people have cheap 100mb/s already. I expect 250mb/s to be average by 2020. 84 gigabytes = 75% of an hour to be downloaded @ 250mb/s speed.
4) Even so, I think scalability is an issue and we need to look into further more efficient measures such as pruning

op is considering 8 cents per kwh
he disregarded diff. change, fact that the s3 is twice as heavy as s5, psu and other things and delivery

s5 costs 340 not 390

There is no way for the buyer to claim he did not receive the package or tell it was lost. That's not how it works, do not talk what you have no idea of.
Regular postal service is handled by brazilian state company and since it's a service handled by the state it naturally is corrupt. Mailmen may be stolen by thieves in the street or mailman may steal the shipment himself. This would happen with cellphones and other things. I don't see how a mailman would be interested in an asic.
Courier service is handled by dhl,ems and fedex do not have such problems.

I would take the loss.
This topic is being nothing but derailed with false accusations and other things.

I know bitmain used to lower invoice, but now they unfortunately do it any longer. Seems EU has problem with it, but my country does not. All they would do is overcharge me and that's it.

I have no problem buying used 100% functional gear (naturally it would have to cost cheaper than brand new gear)
I created a new market thread here about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1047203.0

I cannot purchase local because nearly nobody mine in my country, due to government putting too much tax on electricity and import (and everything else over here, this is the worst country in the world political-wise)
Those who want to sell gear will not be ready to sell for much less what they paid for because they also paid heavy taxes.

Nothing happens. Government will just tax based on whatever they believe it is actually worth then, doing small or no research on its actual price. This would happen with lower invoice too most likely. I would take the hit, no problem. At least sender tried to help me.

I knew this would happen, so I am going to set this straight already, again:
I want hardware to be mine, at my eye sight.
I want to mine myself.
I have access to cheap energy.
I have a 120% outrageous import tax to a corporation that will do NOTHING but steal my money and strip my freedom. They won't do anything. I get in with the money, shipper gets in with the logistics and seller gets in hardware. Government is not necessary to get in with their guns pointed to my head. I don't want this thread to be a statism lover paradise praising you should abide to all laws and love government. It's easier to judge when you pay 15% import tax instead of 120% (at best!)

If anyone knows of any corporation or person that sells used or new hardware with lower invoice, please do let us know. I am sure other people will be interested too.
Thank you.

PS: If anybody reading this and thinking of scam me, don't waste your time. I won't do a escrow-less trade with an unknown person/corporation, nor am I stupid.

I want to buy miners and PSU. If there's anything else you might believe would be a good deal for both of us, offer it too.
As for miners, I can take old miners such as s2, s3 etc but not too old like 2013 stuff. Needless to say I have bargain power over antiquated hardware as nobody wants them, but here's your chance to get rid of these hardware earning some cash instead of throwing it away. 2015 hardware is prefered, used or new.
PSU prefered is supernova 1300 gold 80 plus.

Terms:
I am from Brazil. You may send it from anywhere as long as you acccept to send it as gift or lower invoice declaration as I cannot afford a 120% import tax and fees.
I would like to buy some new or used gear. I haven't started yet but I am not a begginer nor am I desperated. I have spent dozens of hours reading about everything non stop, so don't even bother sending me crap deals or try to rip me off. Don't waste mine and yours' time!
I will only pay first if you are extremely reputable and value not too high.
If you trust me and send first that's fine.
Escrow is doable as long as you pay it and trustworthy and known escrow.

Thank you.

I have very cheap energy by doing a deal with the company I work for and I also have another outstanding possible energy deal. I wanna have my miners by me. I wouldn't feel they are my actual property if I hadn't them close by me. Kinda like having bitcoin in exchanges. This isn't an option for me at all.
I already said I want to mine myself.

If anybody/company knows of/is willing to sell me with lower invoice, please do let me know. I am sure other people would want that too.
My very only issue is high and corrupt tax. I am actually surprised chinese companies dealing with something supposed to be libertarian aren't giving a shit about me just because it would take them a few seconds to write a label just for me. In any other business they gladly lower the invoice, even big companies.

For the past entire weekend I researched on the subject but didn't have much success. I live in Brazil and import tax is 65% + 18% state tax + 6% VAT + wrong usd conversion + courier fees + government will overtax, meaning it will raise the value based on tax regardless of being changed or not. They will just assume everyone does so.
All in all, import tax wouldn't be less than 120%, at minimum. Meaning I buy a miner for me and luckly one miner and half for my corrupt government. If you were unsatisfied with your 15% import tax, guess how do I feel with my tax.

Here is a link to prove what I am saying: http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/saved_calculations/view_details/192354003/. You may also research further on the subject if you want. This money will entirely go straight into politicians' pockets and also be used to strict my freedom further.

What I would like to know is if is there anyone or any company that could lower invoice notes when shipping. I am not asking for discount or anything, just instead of declaring a miner for example $350 just say it actually cost $30 so I can fight back against this theft done by government mafia. I'd still pay same price to seller.
I tried tirelessly to contact bitmain but they wouldn't do it although they ask their customers to do it when asking for returned products.
I have access to cheap energy and really would like to mine myself. I expect to purchase at least 3th/s per week permanently.

State lovers please back off with criticism. You only get to pay 1/7 of what I would pay.
Thank you, if necessary please PM me.

Thank you for telling me what not to do with my private property.

Please ask him yourself and also ask other people you believe may be interested. This goes to anyone else reading this. Anything that makes Qora stronger is good for you too. If you can, donate/pledge to the bounty too.

If someone does to Qora what hashrate.org did to nxt I'll donate 2300gh/s for one month to the website developer + 1150gh/s for one month to the community and qora development.
Others are welcome to chime in this bounty.
It must be a good website and not something poorly done just to collect the bounty!

If the website is interesting, I guarantee I'll mine a lot on it, and other people will too.

They will not give anything back and will try to scam/phish further from those who still believe them (after more than one year of scam! how gullible some people can be!)

We need to start working on getting their identities somehow. We need to get these guys in jail or beaten. They do not repent what they have done and will keep on trying to bring harm onto other people. It's high time we do something. It's unbelievable the kind of bullshit I have to read when I stumble upon this topic. Some of you have high masochist/stockholm syndrom traits to keep being faithful after so many lies and such long time.

Now where did I read this again??  
These guys must be having a good laugh with everyone's money and complacency. Who wants to join me on hunting these fuckers and getting our money back + everything they own?
It seems they are from Germany is all I know. Bitcointalk admins must have their IP.

Do something instead of "hoping".
Do something, retrieve your money and honor. Do nothing and they will keep on stealing more people (or you again).

That is not what I meant. Poloniex is paying 0.01 qora per transaction while everyone else has to pay 1 qora. This has been going for months.
http://qora.co.in/?q=QPVknSmwDryB98Hh8xB7E6U75dGFYwNkJ4&genblock=0

If one wanted to spam the network with 0.00000001 fee transactions miners would still accept the txs it seems. Shouldnt we have a protection for this?

How does poloniex get to pay 0.01 qora fee per transaction?

Does anyone know whose addresses are these?
http://qora.co.in/?q=QZR8c7dmfwqGPujebFH1miQToJZ4JQfU1X&genblock=0
http://qora.co.in/?q=QSX7k8egKacej4idYdbPe3kEwJkG6oFmu6&genblock=0

Thanks.

https://github.com/Qora/Qora
I do not want to abandon this project but at the moment I simply have no choice.

My social and professional life have been damaged too much and I need to recover this while I still can.

Hopefully I can come back soon to continue the development of this project.

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