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441  Local / Buyer/ Seller Reputations (India) / Re: [scam] rbitco.in on: December 26, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
Pretty odd, I think Last month he contacted me on localbitcoins to buy some btc.

He better get his act  straight
442  Local / India / Re: KROGYAN : Investors Meet Kolkata [Dates TBA] on: December 26, 2013, 09:36:31 PM
Lets see who else is interested, So far its only you, though I really appreciate sub's initiative, but I m afraid he wont be here.

dont worry i will get you all the support you need .
443  Local / India / Re: Look at the charts (Bitcoin dont give a Crap about India) RBI on: December 26, 2013, 09:30:54 PM


Wow! funny.

RBI  puts out  a  press release, few indian exchanges close their shutters. Bitcoin's overall network dont  give a shit  about it.  

Sad to know India cant  even make a mark in new technology, and the regulatory authority is  acting like it the next  big  thing in  money laundering weapon.  and Permission  is required. Meh......

It was Christmas so, Bah Humbug!!  

satisfied much.

Care to share the charts ?



the charts keep  going up.
444  Local / India / Re: Look at the charts (Bitcoin dont give a Crap about India) RBI on: December 26, 2013, 08:37:59 PM
Wut is RBI? Brah

I think it  was a  dinosaur that was  suppose to die out, when the meteor hit  earth a  few million years ago.
445  Local / India / Look at the charts (Bitcoin dont give a Crap about India) RBI on: December 26, 2013, 08:31:31 PM


Wow! funny.

RBI  puts out  a  press release, few indian exchanges close their shutters. Bitcoin's overall network dont  give a shit  about it. 

Sad to know India cant  even make a mark in new technology, and the regulatory authority is  acting like it the next  big  thing in  money laundering weapon.  and Permission  is required. Meh......

It was Christmas so, Bah Humbug!! 

satisfied much.
446  Local / India / Re: re.2et.in and RBI guidelines on: December 26, 2013, 07:54:19 PM
I'll soon be accepting Bitcoins in http://re.2et.in ...I hope RBI guidelines does not have any problem in accepting Bitcoin !!! Can anyone please clarify ?

yes you can  accept  bitcoins.
447  Local / India / Re: Popular Bitcoin Exchanges in India Shut Down on: December 26, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
Found this lying around. Anyone tried it?

https://www.bitquick.in/

Yeh  they are  something  like INRBTC, escrow based.

Based out of India the RBI ruling  does not  effect them , Infact it should  not  effect INRBTC as they  dont  directly transact  in INR.

INRBTC should  be  ok to  start  business as they  dont  deal anything in BTC


  Yes, INRBTC.com does not take FIAT money. We take commission in bitcoins.  It is the users who use the services of INRBTC.com who need protection from legal exposure. As they will be dealing with counter-parties, they need to be assured that the counter-parties are known entities.

We are trying to figure out the best way to protect them.  I have sent an email to Aadhar development team for access to their Authentication system on 24th Dec, but I have not received any response so far.  They are currently running it on a trial basis. If any of you can get me an intro that would be a good way to start.


As all Aadhar holders are verified by the Government for Identity and Address proof, anybody who holds a valid Aadhar card can transact with any other Aadhar holder. At the same time, we do not need to take and store idendity and Address proof of each individual.

With Aadhar Authentication system, the dual goal of protecting user's idendity and authenticating them can done. This process will also solve the RBI's caution wherein the Users will not deal with anonymous parties.



well you have a competitor https://www.bitquick.in/ who can  operate in the country without any interference, they dont even need you to signup or give out any details, every thing is done through emails. i would suggest you to use the pan cards for  Auth.  and  the KYC document requirement and store it  with you.  let the users  do the transactions with the  banking  details. access to the Aadhar system may take a  longer time. 
448  Local / India / Re: List of Bitcoin Based businesses (India) on: December 26, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
@subvolatil did u check my post ?

Yes i did, but  it was hard to understand  what it wanted to  achieve. could  you explain that to me more.

Bitcoin Ads :-
1. 100bit.co.in - Accepting Bitcoin Ads for 10 years against 1 BTC

yeh i saw that, but the question is  why would any one pay 1btc for a  website full of ads?

What utility is this  site  providing?

Because a lot of people will be introduced to Bitcoin through blog award initiative arranged by this website and hopefully at some point of time it may get media attention as well, but price per block wont be 1 BTC for 10 year then.

ok if i am  a business what value  would i have  buying  the block for 10 years from you? i would like to understand this in terms of the buyer.

All the following are stated assuming 100bit.co.in will NOT be a hit like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage :-

1. It shows to your customers that in an uncertain world of Bitcoin you aim to stay for 10 years. (You may mention this listing in your own business website.)

2. In coming 10 years millions of Bitcoin newbies will go through www.100bit.co.in because established bloggers will be covering it for Bitcoin. So your business will get an exposure to those Bitcoin first timers.

3. You get a permanent backlink to your Bitcoin related website for 10 years from the homepage of a Bitcoin site. (SEO value)

By the way, do u really run a Bitcoin business/service ?

well for  some reason i am skeptical but all the best  for you.  i would start  listing your  service  once i  start seeing a  few  of you blocks  purchased by  real  businesses.
till then i would suggest  start selling your  block so a few  businesses.

I will keep  checking the  websites  for  new updates.

hope you are fine with that.
449  Local / India / Re: Stupid but Technical Question on: December 26, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last  10 digits of it  when they are  signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy  or putting them at any risk Smiley

thats a simple solution to know who paid  and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

I'm not bothered about payment here. I'm bothered about tracing identity or say linking details with their wallet address.Well, this is something that Bitcoin community won't like me to do. I'm just a dreamer.

Jhon Lenon- ....They may say, I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.... *Music*

Well when it comes to the bitcoin  community every idea is  accepted. Open discussion is how bitcoin  came into  existence.

you want to track identity. of a visitor in your website. right?

Now tell me  what all info  will you  ask from the user. and if the user will don any transaction in your  website?

Email/Name/Mobile is sufficient for me, but to distract them I'll be asking some more. I'm working on concept here. Nothing else! And no transaction will be done on website. Cheesy

Well  in that case you  will have to  use a  tracking  cookie.  but  that wont  help much unless the user does a transaction on a website.

besides a  straightforward asking for the  bitcoin address. the only other way to get the address would be termed illegal and breach of user privacy

So in short  a  transaction should be made, may be on a  second website that can  recognize the  cookie form the  first website  you  filled the details in . (this too is  a  fine line  between privacy and breaking the law)

The other ways are illegal and will not  be  talked about.
450  Local / India / Re: Stupid but Technical Question on: December 26, 2013, 05:43:07 PM
i would ask them to fill in their btc address or the say last  10 digits of it  when they are  signing up for your service
a btc address or even a partial one is not invading their privacy  or putting them at any risk Smiley

thats a simple solution to know who paid  and who didnt pay when the payments arrive at your wallet

I'm not bothered about payment here. I'm bothered about tracing identity or say linking details with their wallet address.Well, this is something that Bitcoin community won't like me to do. I'm just a dreamer.

Jhon Lenon- ....They may say, I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.... *Music*

Well when it comes to the bitcoin  community every idea is  accepted. Open discussion is how bitcoin  came into  existence.

you want to track identity. of a visitor in your website. right?

Now tell me  what all info  will you  ask from the user. and if the user will don any transaction in your  website?
451  Local / India / Re: List of Bitcoin Based businesses (India) on: December 26, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
@subvolatil did u check my post ?

Yes i did, but  it was hard to understand  what it wanted to  achieve. could  you explain that to me more.

Bitcoin Ads :-
1. 100bit.co.in - Accepting Bitcoin Ads for 10 years against 1 BTC

yeh i saw that, but the question is  why would any one pay 1btc for a  website full of ads?

What utility is this  site  providing?

Because a lot of people will be introduced to Bitcoin through blog award initiative arranged by this website and hopefully at some point of time it may get media attention as well, but price per block wont be 1 BTC for 10 year then.

ok if i am  a business what value  would i have  buying  the block for 10 years from you? i would like to understand this in terms of the buyer.
452  Local / India / Don't Panic Stay Calm on: December 26, 2013, 05:37:54 PM
Don't Panic Stay Calm!


Ok people dont panic, That was only a  Press release to state  what could  be the  dangers to the consumers on using  bitcoin.

When they  said  
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No regulatory approvals, registration or authorization is stated to have been obtained by the entities concerned for carrying on such activities.
It is a typical post war thinking  of the license Raj.

Bitcoin Exchanges do not  require  licences to run, if that happens legitimate business will have to close down shutters and then the underground black market run by criminals  will thrive.

What would be  done  is, participation by  every  exchanges to provide KYC documents and  provide  active assistance  to law enforcement agency to  track down potential criminals.

The last point made in the press release that makes  every one step back is
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There have been several media reports of the usage of VCs, including Bitcoins, for illicit and illegal activities in several jurisdictions. The absence of information of counterparties in such peer-to-peer anonymous/ pseudonymous systems could subject the users to unintentional breaches of anti-money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism (AML/CFT) laws.

the problem is that law abiding  citizens are the one  backing  down, the criminals  can  still get  hold  of bitcoin through  many other  channels.

But, the main point i want to make here is that Bitcoins are not  anonymous. every transaction is  recorded forever.
the easiest way to track down money laundering and criminal activities to by have  exchanges  follow  Proper KYC and anti-money laundering protocols.  Exchanges are the point  where bitcoins can be protected from criminal elements. you remove exchanges then back alley transaction will start taking place. and if that happens then good luck  tracking down the  "Money Launderers"  

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systems could subject the users to unintentional breaches of anti-money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism
This point  implies to users of  bitcoins, which is  valid. For businesses as long as they have proper paperwork of their users then they are  fine.

Edit:
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The Reserve Bank has mentioned that it has been looking at the developments relating to certain electronic records claimed to be “Decentralised Digital Currency” or “Virtual Currency” (VCs), such as, Bitcoins, litecoins, bbqcoins, dogecoins etc., their usage or trading in the country and the various media reports in this regard.

Bitcoin is not in any way a Virtual currency "VC", or a “Decentralised Digital Currency”,  Damit it is a Cryptocurrency.

dogecoins Are you kidding me?Huh? Huh

p.s - INRBTC as long as you are not  dealing with INR directly you are  ok  to run.
453  Local / India / Re: What will be the effect of RBI's warning? on: December 26, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Will RBI come up with something within a month after reading that few sites have suspended their services from various newspaper or like Lokpal bill this will be pushed too...

Let's explain Bitcoin to Mr. Arvind Kejriwal. He might help us out.  Tongue

If you can get across to him, I do believe that might really understand. I was reading that he is working on a lot of decentralization projects and this might fit into some of his plans.

Now, he's honorable Chief Minter and has electricity and water to be worried about. I'm not sure..But, I'll try to explain the storm in making whenever, I plan Delhi next time. Bhagwan ki mummy ki kasam! Grin

Let me see if i can get hold of him. will see if i can meet them this week or  early next month.

Best wishes! Make sure, you stay perfectly neutral during explanation rather then pushing him into.. Bitcoin is revolution, Bitcoin is going to change the future, Bitcoin is future of payment etc etc
Initial thoughts acts as seed of thoughts for further analysis. I'd suggest be to very careful while injecting him into Bitcoin philosophy. Please!



Sure i  will keep that mind, and  will explain the idea  behind Crypto-currency.
454  Local / India / Re: List of Bitcoin Based businesses (India) on: December 26, 2013, 05:11:05 PM
@subvolatil did u check my post ?

Yes i did, but  it was hard to understand  what it wanted to  achieve. could  you explain that to me more.

Bitcoin Ads :-
1. 100bit.co.in - Accepting Bitcoin Ads for 10 years against 1 BTC

yeh i saw that, but the question is  why would any one pay 1btc for a  website full of ads?

What utility is this  site  providing?
455  Local / Press & News from India / Re: [26-12-2013]-Gizmodo: Millions of coins stolen.. on: December 26, 2013, 05:01:19 PM
Well, even the RBI have mentioned them Smiley...  Roll Eyes


I was quite surprised to see month old currency gaining attention from RBI. Is Dogecoin working with publicity publicity like Bitcoin?

That's ckz  they  dont  know  better. Freaking Dogecoin  was  a joke  started  by  a  advertisement company in Australia.

them mentioning  Dogecoin only shows that they  scrolled through recent news articles and  wrote there press release.
456  Local / India / Re: Popular Bitcoin Exchanges in India Shut Down on: December 26, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Found this lying around. Anyone tried it?

https://www.bitquick.in/

Yeh  they are  something  like INRBTC, escrow based.

Based out of India the RBI ruling  does not  effect them , Infact it should  not  effect INRBTC as they  dont  directly transact  in INR.

INRBTC should  be  ok to  start  business as they  dont  deal anything in BTC
457  Local / India / Re: What will be the effect of RBI's warning? on: December 26, 2013, 04:54:06 PM
Will RBI come up with something within a month after reading that few sites have suspended their services from various newspaper or like Lokpal bill this will be pushed too...

Let's explain Bitcoin to Mr. Arvind Kejriwal. He might help us out.  Tongue

If you can get across to him, I do believe that might really understand. I was reading that he is working on a lot of decentralization projects and this might fit into some of his plans.

Now, he's honorable Chief Minter and has electricity and water to be worried about. I'm not sure..But, I'll try to explain the storm in making whenever, I plan Delhi next time. Bhagwan ki mummy ki kasam! Grin

Let me see if i can get hold of him. will see if i can meet them this week or  early next month.
458  Local / India / Re: List of Bitcoin Based businesses (India) on: December 26, 2013, 04:51:50 PM
@subvolatil did u check my post ?

Yes i did, but  it was hard to understand  what it wanted to  achieve. could  you explain that to me more.
459  Local / India / Re: Popular Bitcoin Exchanges in India Shut Down on: December 26, 2013, 08:48:50 AM
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The creation, trading or usage of VCs including Bitcoins, as a medium for payment are not authorised by any central bank or monetary authority. No regulatory approvals, registration or authorisation is stated to have been obtained by the entities concerned for carrying on such activities. As such, they may pose several risks to their users, including the following:

The part 
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not authorised by any central bank or monetary authority
Which states that no country around the world has authorized it . it does not imply the RBI saying they need to authorize it.

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As such, they may pose several risks to their users, including the following:

Which states the dangers for users, using bitcoin.

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breaches of anti-money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism (AML/CFT) laws.
Can be easily resolved by exchanges by implementing the KYC norms.  the exchanges do not send money abroad so money laundering can be  a  problem unless KYC has not been maintained.

CFT laws details
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Exchanges can also work closely with The Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU)
460  Local / India / Re: Popular Bitcoin Exchanges in India Shut Down on: December 26, 2013, 08:32:14 AM
Hi Sidjorn,

We have not shutdown our operations. We are just taking further legal advise. We will resume soon.


Regards

This comes as a huge surprise. Firstly isnt it just an advisory?? Secondly the most dangerous part of the notice was the funding terrorism part, everyone is pretty aware about  BTC can and will be misused so why suspend operations now??

Give it some time. this will be resolved.

The authorities and the regulators need to understand  that  if they rule  against bitcoin it would go underground and would be much more dangerous.

Exchanges can ensure money laundering and terrorist cant use bitcoin's for their use.

Bitcoin records every transaction and can be used to track users  properly. In a fact bitcoin is a better system to ensure money laundering does not happen. 
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