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441  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: [Diskusi] Santet = SCAM on: December 22, 2023, 02:53:33 AM
Ghoib itu ada, tapi apakah santet, yang dalam konteks diskusi ini seperti yang diterima masyarakat luas (terkait dukun, mencelakai, dsb) adalah termasuk ghoib dan bukan trik, tipu muslihat, bullshit, dsb?
Ketika bukti menunjukkan kalau santet itu tidak mempan, lalu ane bilang itu scam... kemudian sanggahan diberikan kalau itu ada dan termasuk ghoib, padahal sudah disebutkan kalau hanya Allah yang tau hal ghoib. Logika ane menyimpulkan kalau orang yang mengkategorikan santet ke dalam hal ghoib itu sok tau... Gimana menurut agan?
Kita diskusi santai nih dan aku coba urai lagi pernyataan anda karena saya sendiri masih ambigu atas argument anda dari awal.
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Menurut KBBI, santet =sihir, jadi tukang santet = tukang sihir.
Sihir yang dimaksud adalah bisa bikin orang sakit, bahkan meninggal, dan kemudian ada juga yang bisa menyihir agar korban jatuh cinta ke seseorang. Akan tetapi, yang akan kita bahas di sini adalah santet yang tujuannya mencelakakan seseorang.

Quote from: mu_enrico
Salahnya di KBBI, harusnya santet bukanlah sihir, tetapi orang-orang gagal paham dengan memasukkan santet ke kategori sihir (atau kategori hal ghoib). Sok tau kalau kita memasukkan santet ke hal ghoib (padahal sudah jelas seperti yang agan @baenschi78 bilang kalau "tak satu pun makhluk di langit dan di bumi yg dapat mengetahui perkara ghoib kecuali hanya Allah"). Sehingga santet adalah scam bisa diterima dari sisi logika dan sisi agama.
Lantas menurut anda sendiri apa perbedaan nya Sihir atau Santet?
coba pertanyaan itu di jawab dulu, kalo aku beragument panjang lebar lagi nanti gak ke jawab lagi.
442  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: [Diskusi] Santet = SCAM on: December 21, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
Salahnya di KBBI, harusnya santet bukanlah sihir, tetapi orang-orang gagal paham dengan memasukkan santet ke kategori sihir (atau kategori hal ghoib). Sok tau kalau kita memasukkan santet ke hal ghoib (padahal sudah jelas seperti yang agan @baenschi78 bilang kalau "tak satu pun makhluk di langit dan di bumi yg dapat mengetahui perkara ghoib kecuali hanya Allah"). Sehingga santet adalah scam bisa diterima dari sisi logika dan sisi agama.
Lantas menurut anda yang bener apa perbedaan nya Santet dengan Sihir?
Sedangkangkan menurut akademisi Fakultas Ilmu Budaya Universitas Jember, Heru SP Saputra, dalam tulisannya yang bertajuk Tradisi Mantra Kelompok Etnik Using di Banyuwangi dan diterbitkan dalam jurnal Humaniora Volume XIII No 3/2001.
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"Dukun sihir cenderung membunuh, sedangkan dukun santet memperdaya seseorang dalam hal pengasihan itu semua lebih didominasi oleh muatan politis,"

Saya sih cukup setuju atas pernyataan beliau yang juga dikokohkan oleh apa yang tertulis di wikipedia bahwa
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Santet itu Secara Etimologi, santet berasal dari bahasa Osing yang merupakan akronim dari frasa Mesisan kanthet (sekalian lengket) atau mesisan benthet (biar retak).
Berarti dengan itu yang tergolong Santet seperti dibawah ini
  • Pengasihan
  • Pesugihan
  • dll
Sedangkan itu semua mengandung hal ghoib, lantas soktau nya dari mana?
Memang benar adanya bahwa yang ghoib hanya Allah yang tau, tapi apakah kita tidak harus mempercayainya bahwa ghoib itu ada?
443  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Actionable steps to be 10x better than you're on: December 21, 2023, 04:29:22 PM
This would be the bullshit tip you are trying to explain. Have you tried it yourself or just written or done other plagiarism as you have received in your trust. There is no need to make tips or steps like this, you just need to explain that you have done it from all the tips you have given. trying to be useful but must have more original content.
444  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The best decision you can take on: December 21, 2023, 02:53:03 PM
It may sound silly, even in spot trading we also need to place a stop loss. This is very helpful if the coin we are trading experiences a sharp decline. This is very possible considering that in crypto sharp increases and decreases of up to hundreds of percent can occur. And many cases occur which cause our balance to be completely drained.
The use of stoploss works everywhere in trading, this is a lifesaver for the balance and assets we have. when the price has touched the bottom price and we set the styoploss at a 10% decrease in the price, it will be better than having to lose more than 10%. that way when we want to come in we will get a cheaper price too.
445  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 20, 2023, 08:42:55 PM
With the way Everton is playing, I don't think Everton will be relegated to the England Championship League this season. Since Everton lost to Manchester United, Everton has never lost to any other club in the Premier League so far.
With the current conditions, there is still more than half a game, it should be that if only 10 points they can still continue to work hard. They can still maximize every game with a win. Although it is not easy, logically they are certainly capable. Four games they gained 3 points. This means that there is a clear improvement. They can also take advantage of their youth academy to add strength to the team. While the transfer seems to be impossible.
446  Economy / Speculation / Re: High transaction fees affects those who DCA on: December 20, 2023, 07:58:19 PM
Transaction fees will always change and will always become smaller when Bitcoin price volatility begins to improve and does not continue to increase as it is now. Because when Bitcoin's price continues to increase, it can also affect the size of transaction fees on the Bitcoin network, making some people complain about it. However, I also believe that things will not be like now because the decrease in transaction fees will return to normal again when there are not too many transactions at one time.
in the end everything will be fine and those who panic too much about fees that are too high certainly don't have a strong stance to stay with Bitcoin. if the costs get higher I just stop and observe until the costs return to normal. DCA certainly doesn't have to always be on time, also looking at the condition of the Bitcoin network. if it's too expensive then collect it and buy it when it gets better.
447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 20, 2023, 07:17:04 PM
It is not this season(2023/2024) that Everton will begin to save themselves from the relegation zone of the premier league table. They have done that for up to three consecutive seasons and they successfully made it through to the next season. Is it this season that they are performing better than the present three relegated clubs(Luton, Burnley, and Sheffield), that they can't save themselves from? Upon their 10-point deduction, they are above the three mentioned relegated clubs.
What about the Man City investigation? Whether it is stopped or not proven. I haven't heard many updates on violations that have been alleged in over 100 cases. I hope the FA is working professionally on this investigation. They don't choose a club by looking at financial strength alone. In addition, they remain independent in applying the rules that have been made.
448  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you still appreciates the price of Bitcoin if it hasn't be your history price on: December 20, 2023, 03:35:54 PM
just need to see how the price will go, if it will stay above $40,000 this will be a very appreciated price and wait for the price to rise until it exceeds the last ATH at $68,000. Whatever the price if they become true Bitcoin fans, he will not doubt it. you just need to see how far the target will be achieved. I think the target this time is still quite far away and there are still many opportunities to continue collecting it.
449  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 19, 2023, 09:53:57 PM
Kane again set a record in the Bundesliga. After he made 2 goals to Stuttgart he managed to set a new record. Kane is able to score 20 goals in 14 games alone. This makes the latest record he only surpassed by Germany and Bayern Munich legend Gerd Muller in 1968/1969. In fact, he was better than Haaland when he played at Dortmund. Despite winning, Munich is still at number 2 in the provisional class. 

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67744828
450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to avoid a scam project? on: December 19, 2023, 09:36:02 PM
Yes, awareness is required but when your money is involved, awareness comes naturally. It's like trading with demo account and real trading account, lessons come from latter one.
Trading using a demo account is just trading that does not have any meaning. has no emotions, no challenges.
Being smart in demo trading will not guarantee success in real trading because it will be very different. This is indeed about how someone learns to trade from each trading history carried out.
451  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 19, 2023, 07:04:15 PM
ACL injury sucks and Alaba is considered as Out of Season.
https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/spain-la-liga/
With Alaba's injury, Anceloti should immediately look for a new defender. At the moment they do not have an experienced defender to replace Alaba. But I heard the Club's policy they will not look for new players. One of the best options is Aurelien Tchouameni. Daniel Carvajal can also play in the middle. But he is needed at right-back. Currently Madrid only has 2 central defender options Nacho and Rudiger. Aurelien Tchouameni is one good option because of the height and visibility of 1 vs 1 duels is very good. Taking defenders away from younger players may also be ineffective. Madrid will have to fight hard this season if they don't buy new players.
452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Secure your crypto wealth by not having it all in crypto on: December 19, 2023, 05:28:29 PM
Yes, but if it's about storing our crypto safely. We know how to do it and I also advise to diversify because it's best to get more exposure from different investments and assets that we may have.
That's a good strategy for you to grow on yourself and get a better portfolio aside from the crypto portfolio that you're building up. But again, if someone is confident and fine with having 100% of crypto on his portfolio, that's also fine.
Of course, 100% of your crypto portfolio must be in crypto that has a good and clear future, don't just choose crypto coins that are unclear and have no guarantee whatsoever for future development. examples such as bitcoin which is the main asset, ETH for the king of altcoins and several altcoins such as SOL, BNB and LTC. it can provide significant upside when the bulls arrive. don't just buy obscure memecoins or shitcoins. Indeed, if you buy shitcoin correctly, it will provide fantastic profits, but if you buy it wrong it will be a 100% loss.
453  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 18, 2023, 08:38:20 PM
Manchester United seem to be more careful when playing a bigger club that’s why they didn’t give away much chances and that way they always seem to play better but they still need to work on their attacking and finishing and also they should keep a consistent performance when they are faced with smaller opponents. In my opinion I think Liverpool should have performed better so they can maintain the top spot and probably lead till the end of the first round.
They know the condition of the team, so Man United did not come out much pressing Liverpool players. They are more waiting for mistakes and counterattacking. Looking at the statistics of the match it was also proven, Liverpool had the ball and even made very many attempts at kicks on goal. This was the best result, they were able to hold a draw there was an improvement in quality. I think Ten Hag is also thinking about the future of being a coach at Man United. This is because many rumors are getting bored with how to train him.
454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to avoid a scam project? on: December 18, 2023, 07:19:03 PM
Having money in project and losing it teaches you most why particular project was a scam. Invest (what you can afford to lose) in projects you think are good and lessons will show up themselves, you'll automatically be able to identify scam projects from first glance after few experiences.
will not automatically be able to identify fraudulent projects even though they have been trapped in fraudulent projects before. but this is about awareness of how you invest money in projects that you believe in or not. thorough research is important to do. There are some people who always fall into the trap of fraudulent projects because they are tempted by large returns, even though if you calculate it, it doesn't make sense. no one will give big returns or bonuses without any frills behind it.
455  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 18, 2023, 06:29:14 PM
Good results, but I saw Modric perform amazingly. At 38 years old, he made 1 assist and 1 goal. This proves he is not finished and still capable of playing well. Anceloti is also quite shrewd because he played Modric who didn't have much playing time. This allows him to perform optimally and stay fit. Modric is also a 38-year-old player who can score goals and assists from Europe's top five leagues. 

Source: https://x.com/OptaJose/status/1736503354493141395?s=20
456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who lost money due to dogecoin? on: December 18, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
considering Dogecoin RIP is an unhealthy thought, you need to see how the price will move later. remember that dogecoin fans are elon musk and this will have a big influence later. but it seems you are too greedy if you don't sell when the profit is in sight. I've even taken profits when doge reached ATH throughout history and I bought at a very cheap price, maybe holding for about 5 months more before finally reaching ATH
457  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 17, 2023, 09:59:33 PM
Leverkusen's excellent season in UCL. They managed to qualify from group H without losing. 18 points with 19 goals and only conceded 3 goals. Making them have a new history in Europe. Indeed, in Group H competition, Leverkusen is in a fairly easy group. Even I don't know many other teams. The real test will be in the knockout. If they are able to make it to the Semi-finals it is very good.
458  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa Kripto Itu Kejam? on: December 17, 2023, 09:54:33 PM
Crypto dikatakan kejam hanya bagi orang yang tidak mempelajari Crypto itu sendiri secara mendalam.

Karena kalo kita belajar dengan sungguh-sungguh sekalipun satu-dua bulan itu tidak cukup untuk kita mempelajarinya.

Apalagi bagi sebagian orang yang punya pemikiran ingin cepat kaya, yang kayak begini akan lebih berbahaya.
karena nantinya akan menimbulkan ambisi yang berujung kerugian, bahkan bisa jadi tragedi seperti yang di ceritakan di OP.
459  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 17, 2023, 04:43:30 PM
Xabi's record with Leverkusen has been remarkable this season. Xabi with Leverkusen set a record of never losing in all matches in several competitions. Bayern Leverkusen became a team not lost in 23 matches. Bayern Leverkusen has also never lost in the UCL preliminaries. This record was set by Frankfrut 2018/2019. Leverkusen made 19 goals and only 3 goals came against Lomb. In the bundesliga they also set a record of never losing.
460  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is hard!!! on: December 16, 2023, 09:36:43 PM
Yes, they don't want to learn trading before they start and tend to look for people who can provide trading signals for them.
They will not be able to trade well because they are just waiting for trading signals from other people, which will not always work well, especially as market conditions are always changing.
But if they are willing to learn to trade little by little, they will have trading skills and be able to analyze market conditions to know when to enter and exit the market.
And it is true that when they have made a profit, people tend to become greedy and want even bigger profits even though market conditions do not always improve.
It's a bad thing to have to wait for signals from other people to trade. it is not recommended. Instead of just depending on other people, it's better to start learning trading and that will also give you more experience. Regarding greed, it is a human trait that cannot be avoided, but the challenge is how to control this greed. If the target has been reached then sell and then buy again at the lower price. Greedy people will continue to feel inadequate even though the main target is achieved and will ultimately panic and incur losses.
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