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4461  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io seized my profits on: August 04, 2020, 05:23:27 PM
WHAT HAPPENED:

Last July 27th (Monday), Sportsbet.io froze my account by the time I attempted to withdraw, and after sending them several emails and having waited for several hours, I was asked to send some documents for KYC.

I sent the requested documents immediately, I even sent extra documents that they did not request (like a selfie of myself holding my passport and a paper with my username written on it), just to make sure they could not have the excuse to say that I had failed the KYC and could not return my funds (I was already reading complains on this forum).

Then, on July 28th, I was requested to undergo a Veriff KYC process, which I did and was stated on the App to be successful. But yet, they did not unlock my funds as I had expected, and on July 29th, I received another email on which I was accused of multiaccounting. My reply to those accusations were simple, I denied having created other accounts as I only created and used an account since the moment I started playing on their site.

On the following day, July 30th, I was given several usernames and I was asked if these sounded familiar, however, I firmly defended myself because I had zero involvements with those accounts. I was not given proper evidence justifying their accusations, not even adequate communication.

After that, I did not receive more emails from them. My funds were locked on their site and I was not receiving proper assistance/communication from their part.

Finally, yesterday (4 days since their last reply) I received an email from them.

First, they said that my KYC was unsuccessful because I broke their T&C, which it is absolutely false, because as I said numerous times, I was not multiaccounting. I even provided additional, clear and more specific, documents, to make it easier for them to properly verify me (also suggesting to sign the wallet I used to make the deposits). How could they say that my KYC was not successful? That's unexcusable to say I failed KYC after having sent that many documents, and always, of course, zero evidences, justifications or clarifications.

And second, I was offered the refund of my deposit (0.4279btc), only. They were not going to refund the whole account balance I had at the time they froze it (0.448 btc). The difference is really small, I had small profits (21 mBTC) but it does not matter, I won those funds legitimally and so they belong to me. If I had lost my deposit, nothing would have been returned, therefore, it is not fair from them to make excuses as to randomly froze accounts, for suspicions of "multiaccounting", taking more than a week to give solutions and then, confiscate funds. As I have already mentioned, I was not even given proof, all I received were automated messages.

I have seen the exact same emails on several other complains with only usernames and amounts edited, which provides enough evidence as to determine these are automated messages (for example, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.0 or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266016.0 among dozens of other reports).

Today, they sent the deposit back to me, but they did not reply to any of my emails asking for explanations and for the refund of all the funds I had in my account. Actually, they have been ignoring me since the first day, and I was even blocked from the Live Chat Support after asking them to transfer me to another agent after seeing their non-stop of sending me automated messages.

This week has been a horrible experience, stress and anxiety followed by sleepless nights, waiting for a solution to put an end on this issue, as I was feeling my funds were being stolen. But yet, they ignored all my emails as neither I have received any specific answer (only automated messages that can be found on several other complains throughout the internet), nor a single clarification.

I have never received proper communication, which I deserve as a costumer.

Those profits belong to me, I did nothing wrong as to obtain them and I did not break any of their T&C, so I want to recover my whole balance. Even if it was only a cent, it would still be FULLY legitimate funds, therefore still belonging to me and demandable.

I did nothing wrong and this whole week has been a nightmare, experience which I do not deserve at all and I can not forgive.

What have brought me the biggest concern is to seeing SO MANY cases against this site, mostly on bitcointalk.org, I could have never imagined that I was giving my trust on a site with such complains.

SCAMMERS PROFILE LINK:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=832366

LINKS FOR REFERENCE:

 
  • my report:

  • several other reports:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266016.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189479.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2482179.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2461108.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5180294.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1863248.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130400.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4516396.0

AMOUNT REFUNDED: 427 mBTC

AMOUNT SCAMMED: 21 mBTC (~200€)

PAYMENT METHOD: BITCOIN

PROOF OF PAYMENT:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ca0bc25255ab15a24f63d33a9a55884cc099ecc473d1983639f2a0c6ae18b46f
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/c244a0878d0afb74c56033edf0dc6b3e9487db7fd971c612c94c083c8b511ce3

https://imgur.com/a/YrQmBDK

PM/CHAT LOGS:

  • emails:

https://imgur.com/a/SzBki8r
https://imgur.com/a/9U2Modd
https://imgur.com/a/fIdcITc
https://imgur.com/a/6t64yqs
https://imgur.com/a/A3kO83Z

  • chat on which I was blocked

https://imgur.com/a/IXQVPJb
https://imgur.com/a/opfDJb3
https://imgur.com/a/NUZdnsx
https://imgur.com/a/ft2IfAX
https://imgur.com/a/tsrPe6S
https://imgur.com/a/DVfCciy


Neither I was too repetitive nor I used abusive language, I just wanted to confirm whether that specific department worked on weekends and if there was any update on my case (on the previous chat I was told that there could be an update after 48h).
 
This kind of costumer care is totally unacceptable. I believe the agent blocked me as to avoid any negative feedback from my part once the chat was closed, as the first couple of days I had had other chats on which I was really concerned and stressed, but then I was never blocked.

BETS:

https://imgur.com/a/5QuHTkC
https://imgur.com/a/RGL7FLR
https://imgur.com/a/SA3GrsG
https://imgur.com/a/YT5qhOs
https://imgur.com/a/imnNX7z
https://imgur.com/a/wzssreN
https://imgur.com/a/WZ9p5nD
https://imgur.com/a/BifNir0
https://imgur.com/a/P5MSZQa
https://imgur.com/a/bb3jzvJ
https://imgur.com/a/T0LNO8X
https://imgur.com/a/9ef5BUr
https://imgur.com/a/1eEAvYW
https://imgur.com/a/eUcvjmK
https://imgur.com/a/mV9hnsB

ADDITIONAL NOTES:

Only by typing ''sportsbet.io scam'' on google, you find dozens of complains, and many of them having a case similar to mine.
The many people reporting them is not coincidence, it is evidence speaking by itself.
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=1HgpX5DLCKGwmAW_pLXQDA&q=sportsbet.io+scam&oq=sportsbet.io+scam&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoCCAA6BAgAEAo6BggAEBYQHlAiWPETYKYXaABwAHgBgAGMAYgBzQmSAQM3LjWYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiQhcz_6IHrAhUhGKYKHT9SDcoQ4dUDCAY&uact=5

Quoted for reference.
I have not looked at the details yet. From last few days I am trying to ignore all these accusations against sportsbet.io. I really hate this but too many of it are just not ignorable too.

Steve (sportsbet.io), please look at the cases' buddy.
4462  Economy / Reputation / Re: Members Asking For Donations To Help Poor People on: August 03, 2020, 06:22:05 PM
The problem I have with charities in general is how they use their donated funds--you think all the money you give a charity is going toward whatever the charity's purpose is, but the reality is that most of it goes for administrative funds or other uses that don't help anybody but the charity itself.
I already broke it down to some sort of figure to be honest.

Think once - You are paying for all the expenses they have. Starting from printing, posting to expense of maintaining their full organization (office space, transportation, marketing, inventory, salary everything). Somewhere I read a publication that if you give $100 to a charity, only less than $40 goes to the person in need. You are wasting more than $60 and feeding those smart guys instead of the boy that is in the picture.
It is applicable for all those big names/foundations. On the street you will see those young people are chilling out and have a bucket with strikers of any charity foundation or talking to you and trying to join you to their charity are paid jobs. Most of them works in commission based so more push more money for them.
4463  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Replace by fee on bitcoin wallet on: August 03, 2020, 06:13:41 PM
Talking about RBF, I remember not long ago a Tx dropped (in the COVID-19 project when we paid on a donation) and we did not have any clue. Then we realized one of the input was unconfirmed and that input value was changed when the Tx was RBFed.

In summary this is what happened:

- Transaction 1 sent with small fees
- Transaction 2 sent with whatever fees with having one input from transaction 1

Until Tx 2 is confirmed if anyone do RBF or CPFP then Transaction 2 will drop and you will need to create a new transaction for this.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

4464  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: IPL Mutual Pool Discussion. on: August 03, 2020, 04:50:58 PM
@JSRAW @Royse777 since last time it was free to join how about we keep it that way for this season too, and allow only one or two posts per week per person to curb signature spam?. Alternatively you’ll could consider up to $10 for the joining fee, but then again feel free to increase it if all are fine with it, as we’re yet dealing with the pandemic I’m not sure if people would wager more or less to join in the IPL pool.

There were some discussion about entry fees long ago and the summary are here:

Code:
Interested Users - Proposed Entry Fee 
Royse777 - $20+
JSRAW - $5 to $20
akhjob - 15$ to 30$
SaShiRaJaVu - 0.001 BTC
RapTarX - 0.001 BTC
Haunebu - 0.001 to 0.002 BTC(Current price)
teosanru - $5-$10

Maybe we can fix it to $10 or 0.001 BTC (I am more into 0.001BTC) so that it's easy entry for everyone. I am not interested with a free entry in this year. We all know how it works and it's fairly recognized that we have cricket pools. It's important how may will join so to refresh everyone's mind I would like interested ones to confirm their spots. Once we will have decent numbers then I can post an address to send the fees and once the fees are sent then I will PM superbru link to join.

Let's dot it!
4465  Economy / Reputation / Re: BitcoinGirl.Club hacked? on: August 03, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
Does he have any real reason to so this, and then spam message various people about it?
I am one of the user who received PM from BitcoinGirl.Club. It seemed to me that someone else was sending the PM but I could be wrong. The PM started with accusing various users including BitcoinGirl.Club protecting SB. One thing is fairly clear, there is something going on and it's hard to draw a line.
4466  Economy / Reputation / Re: Members Asking For Donations To Help Poor People on: August 03, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
Only Faith, there is no other way to verify if the fund is going the right place.
In our cases, we actually verified the best possible way we could.

Followings are some process we have done so far:
- Calling the hospital
- Asking medical papers with singed date then cross-check the medical papers, in some cases even to talk to some users on the forum who are physician in real life.
- Interviewing the seeker even once by calling them over phone.
- Appointing a somehow trusted forum user from their local to investigate the case
- Selecting trusted users from the forum and ask them to help us by helping their own community

To do all these things, I, Hhampuz, Lauda (when she was with us) and other guys (investigators) sometimes spend a lot of time, and we do it voluntarily. Sure JollyGood can question anything if he wants but before doing this he should be looking at the cases instead of ignoring. This is very offensive behaviour and I do not appreciate such moral.

I give to my own selected charities, I always give to homeless people I see. Me & my girl have been sponsoring a young boy from Ghana for years, we send him stuff & receive photos & letters back to prove he’s received what we send.

People are welcome to do what they want but I will never give BTC to people on here claiming it’s for charity. No offence to anybody involved but I like to see where my money is going.
You are not actually seeing where is your money is going to be honest. Are you very sure that on the other side that boy is receiving 100% that you are giving?

Think once - You are paying for all the expenses they have. Starting from printing, posting to expense of maintaining their full organization (office space, transportation, marketing, inventory, salary everything). Somewhere I read a publication that if you give $100 to a charity, only less than $40 goes to the person in need. You are wasting more than $60 and feeding those smart guys instead of the boy that is in the picture.

But hey, I am not saying it's bad. It's not good to know that every $60 of the $100 I am giving is using as expense of the charity I am supporting. You want to support a child or a poor fella in need? Go to the nearest train station, bus terminal - find those homeless people and give them as much as you can. Do it regularly. P2P.

Take: Crypto donations are less expensive in fact no expense at all.
4467  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Best way to store bitcoins safely without a hardware wallet(ledger,etc) on: August 03, 2020, 01:10:54 PM
I guess you meant "cold" wallet sitting on air-gapped  device  that was never been online and in the future  will never go online. Some users are confused with two concept "off-line" device and "air-gapped" one and think if they turn off their WiFi or pulled Ethernet cable that would be enough.
Yes, I meant a "cold" wallet. The device will never go online.

1. From the online device take the unsigned file.
2. Sign it in the off-line device.
3. Go back and broadcast the singed file from the online device.
4468  Economy / Reputation / Re: Members Asking For Donations To Help Poor People on: August 03, 2020, 12:42:39 PM
Regarding following the work done by Royse777, I followed next to nothing of his because I have him on my ignore and distrust list, I absolutely do not trust him and it will probably stay that way until I review things further down the line. I unignored him for the sake of reading the OP about his donation thread work but promptly added him back.
Nice work (LOL) but excuse me:

Quote
I absolutely do not trust him and it will probably stay
I do not expect anyone to trust me, after all - this is bitcoin forum. And the bitcoin ideology is not trusting third party.  But this is disrespectful saying something like this openly when you do not have an explanation. May I ask what's your problem?

How can you be not sure users in the forum asking for your donations are actually after merits and seeking free publicity to portray a better persona here with ulterior motives?
I suppose you grew up in a war zone where hunger, crime, poverty, killing were common and you did not have a chance to understand a civilized society.

PS: Can someone quote this post and ask to read this. A response on this would be nice. I am offended to be honest.
4469  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 03, 2020, 12:17:49 PM
@Royse777 & Others, Now that IPL has been confirmed to be held from September 19 to November 10, shall we have an IPL pool as we did with PSL?
Sorry guys, not much into these threads these days since there are not much cricket but this is great news. I have not read much but IPL is starting is the biggest news in the last few months for me.

Yes we will have the pool and let's continue discussion about it in the thread for IPL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209354.0

4470  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: August 01, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Did neymarjr12 give a wallet address in the end or will that happen later?
A summary of the case will be posted very soon. Please be patient.

Cheers,
4471  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] BestChange Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ on: July 30, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
"He is the payer and we are the beggar, and beggar can't be a chooser".
Excuse me! Sorry, I was just reading and found this is too offensive to read.

I really do not see how I am a beggar here. That's not how it's working for me. There is a price for my signature space and I have given it to BestChange because I think the price worth it for me, although I am a GreedyBitcoiner and would like more sats on my way:-D

But I can not accept that I am begging here.


Since I have my post in here already, so I would like to write a little more about this matter.
I think (I can't remember properly) long ago I was suggesting Best_Change to reduce number of participants. Keep only good quality posters who are really not counting how many posts they made in a week, but they are posting because they are engaged in the conversations.
And perhaps they can pay these good valuable poster more than they are paying now as an incentive because from the reduction of participants they will already save from the weekly budget.

A personal observation: When someone is wearing CM signature it's by default that this is a good forum member, but we still can not tell anyone with close eyes that if someone is wearing BestChange signature then they are a good forum member.

BestChange is already paying a lot of money considering the number of participants they have then why not follow something that will give them a very high standard.

In this process if I find myself out of a spot then I think I am fine by knowing that a better one should have a spot before me.

Cheers,
4472  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 30, 2020, 02:05:14 PM
How is neymarjr doin? :p

Sorry I had to leave all the fun to you guys. I thought we would go through this much quicker. The moment I realized this would take more than a day (as suchmoon stated multiple days, 4? 5?) I was done. Anyway I especially trust royse777's judgement. You don't need me when he is there.
He is doing good too. It's very hard for us to find a conclusion yet, but we are trying our best. I would be fun if you were with us and it seems this will surly take more time.

Thanks for the good words and this reminds me some pastime between us too :-D

Cheers,
4473  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 30, 2020, 01:37:33 PM
Are you going to do the same thing with this 2nd case?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265366.0

Whatever you do - at least thank you for being a reasonable voice here who actually does sound reasonable, fair and honest unlike some other forum members here which I honestly don't appreciate and don't care if they've been here for years - honesty for me goes all the way from bottom to top without compromises.

Thanks for the words. My take is that none of us has bad intension, we speak that we believe and I think it's fine as long as this is not too much harming anyone.

Regarding the topic, please do not expect me to do the same for every thread pops up in the forum. With this case it's just co-incidence but nothing, that does not mean that I do not want to spend much time in the forum affair. I do and I love to but I have my own life too.

I just have a quick look and I see Steve is already taking care of the case (if I am not wrong) and I am sure this will end good. I would like to remind you again that so far we have found Steve is very fair and open with us and not trying to hide anything from us.

Again thanks for your input.
4474  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 30, 2020, 01:21:26 PM
Take a break, come back Monday, it will be over by then.
For the record the +5 merit for telling this Monday thing :-P

LFC_Bitcoin is mad at me, so I think anything about him from me will offend him, so I stay without comment here :-D

I am starting to hate all these lately but a man gotta do that a man do.

And maybe this case would be over, but whatever sportsbet.io is doing is shady as hell, I wouldn't trust them even if this case gets resolved.
I can assure that SB are fair in their moves so far. Sorry I can not talk much right now about it but I can not accept that SB is doing shady. This is very wrong impression that you have on them.

As suchmoon said, please wait few days until we come up with some conclusion. Please do not make mess around.
4475  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: JETWIN CASINO HAS OFFICIALLY REFUSED TO PAY ANY OF MY 25,000 DOLLARS IN WINNINGS on: July 30, 2020, 12:47:23 PM
May I ask where Royse777, efialtis & mindrust are please after they were all so publicly, somewhat relentlessly vocal in recent sportsbet.io allegations?
Where’s their similar level of intense scrutiny into this case especially due to JETWIN not being licensed & being a smaller, presumably less profitable business than sportsbet.io (which makes them more likely to scam especially as it’s a lot more money than the recent sportsbet.io accusations).
LFC_Bitcoin buddy, it seems you are mad at me.
Do you have any idea how much time I am spending on telegram with the group all together https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.msg54896928#msg54896928
How much hard time we are facing to figure out? You have no idea but you are mad at me. This is not black and white at all, this is not head and tail at all.

Instead of being mad at me, please do something about it if you think there is a case, honestly speaking I did not even check this OP but just replying to you to tell you that I am not mad at you but still consider you a good forum member. Ask Steve what I said about you yesterday in one of the PM.

Please do not make it personal clash between us.

If I have time then I will have a look on this case but I doubt I have much time in the next few days until this current case resolves.

Cheers buddy,
4476  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 29, 2020, 05:41:26 PM
@neymarjr12, can you check your PM. I have a link there for you to join us, and we are waiting for you.

4477  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 29, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
Do you mean that you know who is in the final list?
Yes I do. Steve is in contact with me, and I am in contact with some others too. Since mindrust already mentioned his involvement, I have no problem to admit it.

We are in process of how it will be conducted and hopefully we will be able to update you soon. Stay online and just to let you know if you do not have a Telegram then please have one. We may need you but not 100% sure yet.
4478  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 29, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
Finally!!!! Who those senior members would be?
I can assure you that few users are from the following list of yours:

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

Good luck to you and sportsbet.io
4479  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) on: July 29, 2020, 12:52:49 PM
I'm Russian as well...
LOL! I did not know where neymarjr12 was from, until now :-D
4480  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [SCAM] Beware of Rinobet.io on: July 28, 2020, 08:04:02 PM
Wew that script costs only $3k. Didn't think it would be that cheap.
Technology is cheaper these days. Do you have any business in mind? :-P

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