He probably knows that you don't have much knowledge of how transactions work?

Precisely with bitcoin transactions, the public ledger that is the blockchain is an unquestionable way to verify whether a transaction has occurred or not.

This is the first time I let a thread opened by me continue without locking it after page 5 because I see that there is meaningful discussion.

In this case I want to bring here a quote that I found interesting from the bitvest official thread:


Let's see if the problems with withdrawals also end.

It's not quite clear what the OP meant by "soon", and since he hasn't logged on to the forum in a while, I don't think it's worth asking him.

All indications are that we are going to be bullish until December. So say the predictive models that are discussed in the forum and that are based on a similarity of price behavior in the cycles. Some say that this time it could be different and the bull market could be extended until 2022 or that maybe we will enter a different situation from 2022 onwards without major declines due to institutional demand.

Can't wait to see what o_e_l_e_o has to say on this matter.

Interesting. In my case, I do not aspire to anonymity. I think it's a matter of balance and being a bit cautious to achieve a high degree of privacy. That it is not a thing easily ascertainable if you have Bitcoin and how much you have, especially for criminals.

In the case of absolute anonymity, moreover, I think that whoever gets it will surely be in illegality, because it is incompatible absolute anonymity and paying taxes to your government for the transactions in Bitcoin you do.

Consolidation, I'd say.


WTF? I'm thinking next week.

Many people do not understand this. It is thought that a rich person who has 5 billion net worth, has them as cash, and the truth is that if he has them mostly in shares, and tried to sell them massively, it would cause a considerable drop in the share price, and he would have to pay taxes, so he would have much less. But well, having that wealth ensures him a high lifestyle, even if he is short of cash, as Elon likes to go, the banks welcome him with open arms and give him plenty of loans.

Hi LoyceV. This is just to say that I'm so grateful, I am learning so much thanks to your posts and also to your detailed answers to my questions that I think that I am becoming a better forum member every day partly thanks to you. I think it all started when you helped me to rank up, which gave me a boost in my self-esteem.

From now on I think I will think a lot about leaving positive feedback if it's not for a trade. In the meantime, I'll keep an eye on how others leave their feedbacks and follow up on them.


I guess it is a strategy they are trying but do you think people with experience, for example DarkStar, are going to fall into that trap?

But let's see, I don't understand it that way, although I recognize that it's a little strange. I quote what I posted in the other thread:

I can't see a Queenvera post in either of them, not even in the ninjastic one.

The OP is not very reliable as far as I can see. He has only earned 4 merits in all his time on the forum (the other 250 were airdropped) and promotes a scam site to make money. If we then add that he posts some supposed proofs that are not such, I find this laughable.

It is not clear to me, first he says: "we aren't paid to be mods here" and in the following comment he says: "...we get paid by the site". I don't know if they are paid in another capacity and not as moderators. In any case it is strange.

It is clear to me that here we are specifically talking about whether the feedback is well placed, not whether we like him or he is a good guy.

In this case I think I have a good reason to give him positive feedback but maybe I will have to change it because it is not well explained. And if you see it as given lightly, surely others do too.

Actually, with xhomerx10 there was something more like a deal than with the others. He made me the avatar without asking for anything in return, but when he finished I sent him a tip.

So, the relevant question is:

If I can trust that he is going to do a job for free, won't it be logical to trust him also if we make a previous economic deal?

Surely for you to make an avatar will be something easy, but for me it is not. Before contacting him I was trying to edit and I got some changes, but not what I wanted. When I contacted him, I asked him if he charged anything for making the avatars and he told me that he didn't, and that he made them for WO gang members, and in some cases for other members as well.

I told him that I occasionally wrote in the WO and he agreed to do it for me. When he finished, I thought I would send him a tip, and when I received the outstanding payment from Lightlord, I did.

I really appreciate it when a person who doesn't know me at all offers to do work for me for free. And if tomorrow, let's say I have a website and I want him to design the cover. He tells me he's going to charge me $100.

If he did the job when he didn't know me at all and for free, I won't trust him to do it for me if I pay him?

I think so, and that's why I left the feedback.

Another doubt I have is regarding neutral feedbacks, I have seen that people leave neutral feedback, even when there has been monetary exchange and you also mentioned something about it in another post. I don't quite understand it, isn't trust feedback supposed to be precisely for that? If you make exchanges with money involved, and they go well, I understand that the feedback should be positive.

Something else: I've seen my updated trust list in Loyce.club and 1miau still distrust my list but I think he distrusted it when my dog deleted all people that was in my previous list. People like 1miau are supposed to review this? Or maybe if I see it's been a while I can send him a PM to see if he wants to check the new list?


As the saying goes: "the opportunity makes the thief".

As you go up in quantity, no matter who you make deals with, it is wise to take security measures. I could probably get a non-collateralized loan for $200 on the forum, but if I ask for $20,000, I will likely be asked to leave some kind of collateral such as a shitcoin as collateral, no matter how good a reputation I may have.

I've been reviewing feedbacks and I think I'm going to leave them as they are. The negative ones I have clear, and the positive ones, although they are more subjective and not related to having traded, are to people I would trust to make a deal with.

For example, I have two positive feedbacks to Rikafip and lovesmayfamilis for being scam and spam fighters. To me that fact gives me confidence if I were to trade money with them. I wouldn't put all my net worth blindly in their hands but if I had to do a small deal, let's say exchange $100-200 Bitcoin for some shitcoin with lovesmayfamilis I would send him the money first with my eyes closed. The same as for xhomerx10, JayJuanGee etc.

What do you think about it?

Btw, I visited loyce.club to see if the trust had been updated (I see it hasn't yet) but I have to tell you that I find it a bit difficult to navigate. Once you go into the folder, can you search for users with any command or do you have to go through them one by one until you find the one you want?

I don't know if you have somewhere an explanation about loyce.club for dummies. Are they ftp files?

I don't know if any of them will come this thread, but I'll tell you what I think.

The problems are only with large withdrawals, and the complaints are buried in a thread of more than 200 pages in the gambling section, so they have appeared from time to time and end up hidden by other comments of people who write to meet their post quota. It is only now after the problem of the delay in the payment of the signature campaigns was added to the problem that people have started to tie things up. The first time I saw an accusation about this I didn't believe him because he was a member with negative trust, but after one accusation, and another, and another... added to the delay in the payment of the sig campaigns, you end up believing what they say.

The point is that many people don't know what's going on and all they know is that these are casinos that are very old, that are advertised on the forum and that Lightlord (until recently) had a good reputation. I guess now things are changing.

By the way, in this regard and expanding on what I was saying before, I remembered that in a post I mentioned both of you. friends1980 wrote a long post in the signature campaign thread criticizing several participants for shitposters. The post was quite long and reasoned, and criticized the manager:


I, believing him to be somewhat right, also responded to him in detail, among other things the following:


When I was in the campaign, there was a minimum requirement to have earned 5 merits in the previous 120 days but since Lighlord lowered the rates, many participants left the campaign and the requirement changed:


So, I don't think we can take the fact of whether or not the current participants leave the campaign as a reference for Lightlord's trust.

Some would not be accepted in other campaigns, as they themselves admit:


I don't think it is expressed very well but the idea is clear.

If they don't have much hope of getting paid for writing for another campaign, they will usually put up with irregularities in payments, lack of communication and whatever else. The 777coin and Bitvest.io campaigns have been accused several times of being full of shitposters. I wouldn't say as much, but it's clear that campaigns that pay 150 per post in the lowest tier are not going to be full of top quality posters.

For my part, I don't know if LoyceV is saying that we should change the feedbacks if people don't have left, but I'm going to wait for a while to see if

1) People keep complaining about the withdrawals problem. Just today we have another complaint although no proof at the moment.

2) This doesn't happen again:

The problems with the retreats go back a long way and have nothing to do with Lightlord's alleged illness (when I say alleged, it's not that I believe it or not, it's that I have no way of verifying it).

This is something that is commented on a lot in the bitvest thread. In the end people end up getting paid, but we are in the same situation as with the signature campaigns, people request a withdrawal and it can take weeks to get the money:



I would bet that that is how it is run

It sounds plausible to me, as there have been many complaints about delays in withdrawals and an absolute lack of communication in the official Bitvest.io thread, but if you want your accusation to be credible you have to post what you said in the other thread:

You have no idea what you are talking about. Poker is not a very profitable game for casinos, both live and online, so I don't see why you say they have to invest. Because you would like there to be more offer, I guess. But casinos look for what is most profitable for them, not what you would like. Aside from that, the poker market has been shrinking for years. It experienced a boom in 2003 and had its period of expansion, but I would say that from black friday in 2011 and the massive regulations began a period of contraction that continues to this day. This is another reason for casinos not to invest in poker. Why invest in something that has less and less customers?

Well, The point is that certain institutions that cannot buy Bitcoin directly due to regulatory issues or have difficulty doing so, have it much easier with the Bitcoin ETF, which is expected to bring a wall of money to the Bitcoin market.

Although it is a futures ETF, but with this a pure Bitcoin-based ETF is closer. These is a previous small step.


We may not need it but we'll get there much faster.

I don't know if you are going to have much success with what you are asking for. In the age of the Internet, being able to put in a search engine: "What is Bitcoin?" you ask us to do the work for you. This is a Bitcoin forum and you can learn a lot but people are not going to put in the effort for you.

If you look up the information yourself, and after reading it you have questions, we will be happy to help you. The Beginners and Help section is for that.