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4541  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 11:02:35 PM
They raised over 2 billions by killing my bank. 2 billions to cover country's debt, not bank's debt!
Under-100K accounts are compensated by money taken from over-100k accounts! It comes that I gave them their 100k, not European Comission!

No, there is no money. Your Money is gone. That's the starting point. 0 money in the bank.


Technically this is close to truth, as soon as you put the money into a bank, at least 80% of them is gone, due to fractional reserve banking
4542  Economy / Economics / Re: bitcoin instead of 401k? on: March 28, 2013, 10:06:31 PM
My wife and I just cashed out her 401 this Tuesday to put into Bitcoin. We are still waiting for the check to come, and I keep getting sick to my stomach when I wake up in the morning and see where they have gone over the night. It wasn't that much ($7,200 after all penalties, and taxes) and we plan to leave it in for the long haul regardless if it crashes or not. Our thought was in 30 years from now when we are retirement age, who knows if the USD will even still exist, and plus with the possibility of nationalization, it was an easy decision. My confidence in Bitcoin also made the decision pretty easy too. Wink

Wow, this is dangerous, if many people are going to do this, they will find out that there are not enough money to be taken out, it will bankrupt the government  Wink
4543  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: March 28, 2013, 09:57:59 PM
Don't take it too serious, it is just a game of numbers, while numbers can be Euro, USD, JPY, BTC ... Now you know that some games do not benefit you as much as other game
4544  Economy / Speculation / Re: Someone is dumping coins en masse on: March 28, 2013, 09:33:23 PM
Some miner who started mining back in 10' said F#%k it... im buying my own island!

Feel sorry for them, they could own the world, but they are limited by their short sighted view. Good to have these kind of people shake out before we move along  Wink
4545  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: March 28, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
Always fast crash due to low liquidity, as soon as people find out there is a crash, there will be buyers rush in, in less than a day
4546  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC pay back on: March 28, 2013, 02:01:33 AM
Current total bitcoin network hash power

GPU+FPGA - 25T
ASICMINER - 12T
AVALON batch 1 - 20T
About 60T

This hash power will remain more or less unchanged until middle of April

Later part of April:

AVALON Batch 2 - 40T
ASICMINER 50T first deployment - 20T
About 60T

consider the shipping time, until mid-May, total hash power rise to 120T,double the current difficulty, so even the first batch 3 user will start with a maximum 2.4 coin daily return

May:
AVALON batch 3 - 33T (500 UNIT)
ASIC MINER another 30T
Add 63T

BFL should be able to ship around this time, suppose that shipping speed is 100 rig per day, average 40Gh, then in one month 3000 rigs delivered,that's 120T.

So for whole May the network hash power will reach 305T,5x current difficulty, avalon batch 3 user can get about 1 coin per day

June:
BFL will add another 120T,total 420T,about 7x current difficulty

July:
ASICMINER's 200T deployed, even AVALON won't make new delivery, BFL add 120T,740T total can be reached,12x current difficulty

After that the difficulty increase will slowdown due to large existing hash power base, and the ROI for mining equipment will become much worse: For an Avalon you can expect 0.4 BTC per day, and that return is shrinking slowly every 2 week

But there is some uncertainty about BFL's delivery, if they could not deliver at that speed before July, then Avalon will have enough good chance to ROI quickly

4547  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Avalon Technical Support Thread on: March 28, 2013, 12:21:19 AM
I did have a severe enough problem to warrant the upgrade. It stopped mining and went into a contentious cycle without effectively mining bit-coins.

After an upgrade, the unit stopped cycling in that odd behavior. It also restarts by itself when the mining stops for whatever reason.

It still does stop mining every 12 hours, but it resets itself without any intervention on my part. So it is pretty much running itself on NEXT firmware (v3/25/2013).

Thanks, good to know that 0325 version works
4548  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: $324000 per day on: March 28, 2013, 12:11:22 AM
Come on, FED print $40 Billion per month without using any electricity and many people even thank them for doing that
4549  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: Avalon resell and hosting plan on: March 28, 2013, 12:02:30 AM
PMed
4550  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Relationship Thread: G/F, Wife, Significant Other...etc... Tales... on: March 27, 2013, 11:41:36 PM
Miss bitcoin wanted  Wink
4551  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: European Avalon users - what was your customs experience? on: March 27, 2013, 10:06:20 PM
I used TNT this time, since they claim to have fastest shipping, but what a nightmare, first they delayed the package due to weather problem, and they did not appologize, and then they charge high fee, custom fee + VAT, and they even charge a VAT upon custom fee  Shocked  Never gonna use them in the future

EMS is generally good, 50% chance to avoid tax if the value is declared not so high
4552  Economy / Economics / Re: The problem of a depreciating currency on: March 26, 2013, 11:07:43 PM

Most of these are satoshi dice transactions
4553  Economy / Economics / Re: Krugman makes some good points on: March 26, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
If every investment is backed by enough saving, there won't be such problem.

One persons debt is another persons money aka saving.  And vice versa.
You just reinvented the basic idea behind credit money. If you werent almost 5000 years late; Id nominate you for a Nobel prize Wink

Im not saying there is nothing wrong with our current financial system; but the basic principles behind it are pretty damn sound. I would expect nothing else after 5000 years of experimentation and (r)evolution. Bitcoin OTOH is technically new and a revolutionary system; but as a financial system its no different than those millenia old systems from which we have long evolved - for good reason.

Seems you still don't get this: Only in a debt based monetary system, one person's saving is another person's debt. In a honest money (for example gold) system, EVERYONE can have saving without debt (despite the fact that banks always cheat with FRB)

Even the Nobel prize winner Krugman don't get it, I doubt how much that price worth  Grin

Maybe you know that price is set by Swedish Riksbanken, if Nobel knows such a price was invented by banks, he will be ashamed  Grin

4554  Economy / Economics / Re: Krugman makes some good points on: March 26, 2013, 05:20:23 PM
I can only think of two occasions that you need credit money to invest:
1. you are in a war with another country, if you do not produce weapons fast enough, you will lose the war
2. you are extremely shortage on everything after a war that you need to reach a certain living standard quickly

But today is totally another picture: People take out a huge loan to buy a house, and that loan locked in their future income for 20 - 30 years. Due to this loan, banks become rich and start to spend big, economy get boosted. And after they finished their spending, economy start to shrink back, now even those people's future income for 20-30 years are threatened due to less consumption

If every investment is backed by enough saving, there won't be such problem. Housing is just like any other financial gamble game using high leverage. Many people are doing margin trading for house, that kind of risk is just too absurd, but thanks to credit money, every one can bet their life and play it

4555  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Batch #3 Not selling as fast.... on: March 26, 2013, 03:12:02 PM
Much higher risk now. Before, both Avalon and BFL had working FPGA products, so it is highly possible that they will deliver ASIC, just a matter of time, but now it is about the speed of hashing power increase

BFL claimed that they will deliver 1000 60GH unit /month when their test finished, that will ramp up the difficulty quickly, make batch 3's return more uncertain, in such a case minirig is a better choice



If...

What when not

Nothing is certain, everything has a risk, everyone have their own risk evaluating formula
4556  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Avalon Technical Support Thread on: March 26, 2013, 02:58:14 PM
That's my guess as well (not utilizing PWM). I'm of course referring to the blue LED fan which is the one that cools the far left (power supply) section of the system.
I guess this fan is not PWM

The problem is, that it was reporting the FAN RPM on the 3/21/2013 Firmware. Which strongly implies that it is PWM enabled. It is probably a software/firmware bug.

Downgrade to previous one then. My rule of thumb is that never upgrade unless you have severe problem with current firmware
4557  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Batch #3 Not selling as fast.... on: March 26, 2013, 02:51:40 PM
Much higher risk now. Before, both Avalon and BFL had working FPGA products, so it is highly possible that they will deliver ASIC, just a matter of time, but now it is about the speed of hashing power increase

BFL claimed that they will deliver 1000 60GH unit /month when their test finished, that will ramp up the difficulty quickly, make batch 3's return more uncertain, in such a case minirig is a better choice

4558  Economy / Economics / Re: Krugman makes some good points on: March 26, 2013, 02:20:12 PM
There was a rumor a couple of weeks ago saying Krugman filed for chapter 13 bankcruptcy protection,http://dailycurrant.com/2013/03/06/paul-krugman-declares-personal-bankruptcy/

Maybe there were some facts behind it  Grin
4559  Economy / Economics / Re: The problem of a depreciating currency on: March 26, 2013, 05:38:48 AM
Level 1 action:
You take a consumer loan of 20K USD and spend it, next year you pay back that loan using a small part of your coin since they have appreciated 100% (2x) against USD. Keep doing this again and again

Level 2 action:
You take a consumer loan of 20K USD and spend it, next year you take a 40K USD loan to both payback the original loan and finance the new spending, and next year you take a 60K USD loan ... 80K, 100K ... And after 5 years, your bitcoin's USD exchange price has gained 32x so you eventually need much less coin to payback your loan

Level 3 action:
Someone please continue  Wink
4560  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitPay Exceeds $2 Million in Transactions in March, Lowers Fees for All Merchant on: March 26, 2013, 05:19:45 AM
Does 2M$ include Avalon's 3rd batch ?

Of course not, Avalon's batch 3 has $3M in value  Grin
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