I've heard it said that enough coins flow in and out of MtGox and MyBitcoin that they can effectively act as manual tumblers by nature. I don't know how true this is however.
This is actually true except for the part about both MtGox and MyBitcoin keeping detailed logs about what goes where, and both being subject to the will of LEO's to some degree simply due to the fact that both are public companies with known owners. |
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And how is libertarian society not based on coercion?
Perhaps there is some confusion here about the meaning of 'coercion'. Well there is, because libertarians make it mean whatever they want it to mean on the case by case basis. I'd really like to see you support that statement.
Let me say this for the umpteenth time...
If someone is living in a libertarian society (thus being forced to abide by libertarian ideals and being affected by climate and forces created by libertarian society)
FAIL Your premise is false, therefore the remainder of the question cannot be rationally answered. Try and establish a logical reasoning behind the idea that living in a lib society = forced to abide by lib ideals. |
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It seems soon that only the rich will be able to profit from BTC mining.
<sarcasm> That would be a wonderful development, get all this low brow mining trash out of the way. </sarcasm> Somehow, I doubt that mining will ever be an endeavor exclusive to "only the rich". |
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And how is libertarian society not based on coercion?
Perhaps there is some confusion here about the meaning of 'coercion'. What do you think that it means, and in what way do you imagine an ideal libertarian society fitting this description. And you had a point? |
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All the bitching and moaning you do about the unjustness of our current society and how persecuted you feel in it...
And where did you see this at? It's the basis of libertarianism, i.e. our current society is based on coercion and aggression - see the posts by bitcoin2cash. Even if bitcoin2cash was the pope of libertarians, this statement wouldn't hold water. The fact that current society is based upon coercion is a provable fact, but has little bearing on how I might feel about it. I certainly don't feel persecuted. I've certainly said nothing to suggest what you imply about myself or libertarians in general. Or were you trying to use the general 'you' while directly addressing an individual on a forum dominated by individualists? |
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All the bitching and moaning you do about the unjustness of our current society and how persecuted you feel in it...
And where did you see this at? Or are you projecting?
that all applies to non-libertarians under a libertarian society too. You're all about making all choices voluntary and you claim the current system isn't voluntary... then how is your system voluntary?
Address that contradiction.
I did. You just can't wrap your mind around it. |
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Yup, sure sounds like they're right in line with your beliefs.  Seven quotes, all of which were out of context, was the best that you could do? Really? I could have done better than that on your behalf. Put them in context. I have better things to do with my lifespan. Nice cop out. I've already established that you are only here because you enjoy arguing with libs, and imagine yourself to be the smartest person in the forum. Hell, you're probably the smartest person in the room even when you're outside. But the reality is that you just don't have anything better to do with your life, and thus your time has reached it's own true market value. Most of the rest of us value our time more than to feed the troll. |
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How do you cure someone whose urges to screw children wont go away even with chemical castration?
Who are you arguing with, and why are we still talking about this crap? If you want to discuss CP and debate it's virtues and vices, start your own thread. It will make deleting it much easier on us mods. Until then, this stuff is off-topic. Way off topic. |
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And there is no difference are we at same, or different side`s of barricade - we are like advocate and procuror.
We are fighting for truth.
The biggest truth here is that I can honestly believe that you honestly believe what you are saying. |
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Yup, sure sounds like they're right in line with your beliefs. Seven quotes, all of which were out of context, was the best that you could do? Really? I could have done better than that on your behalf. Put them in context. I have better things to do with my lifespan. |
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What contradiction is that? Is that anything like an athiest who gets bent because he goes to a child's baseball game at the YMCA, and then some jerkoff bible thumper has the audacity to expect him to sit still while there is a prayer!? Oh my non-God! No atheist should be forced to sit quietly while someone else prays to the culturally dominate deity in the society that I continue to choose to live within at a public event that I chose to attend. Oh the horror!
It's called freedom of religion, not freedom from religion, quite intentionally. You are just as free to ignore libertarians as that atheist is free to ignore the Christians. No one is forcing anything upon you, you came here of your own accord; and knowing now that this is a forum dominated by a culture that you detest, you contine to return of your own accord. If you don't like it, I'm pretty sure that even you can see the options available to you.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Try again. Perhaps you don't understand analogies? |
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How is the action to be a part of a libertarian society voluntary for those that don't want to be a part of that society?
The same way that the state of your residence is voluntary. If you don't like the one you're in, you are still free to move to another. People still do it all the time in this country, it's called freedom of travel. |
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Which, at the time, were the state. It was then ratified by the congress of the time, which was the state. At the time it was written, the colonies were still subject to royal rule. Had their plot been discovered by the Crown's agents, they would have been hanged. The document itself lists a long 'Chain of abuses' which I could (and have, on another forum) find modern parallels to. I think using that document to chastise the government it helped to found is perfectly fitting. What you think and what is logically consistent are two different things in this case. You keep saying that, but I don't think that you know what that means. If we were to bother with the logical consistency argument, you might die from the cognative dissonance. |
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Yup, sure sounds like they're right in line with your beliefs. Seven quotes, all of which were out of context, was the best that you could do? Really? I could have done better than that on your behalf. I don't think that you want a founding father quote war. You would be buried in counter quotes and this thread would just devolve into irrelevency. They weren't gods, and they weren't ideologically perfect, either. I didn't claim any such thing. I said that they were closer to libs than anything else that can be found in modern politics, and I think that even you know this to be true. I could crush what you posted with the single text of the 'give me liberty or give me death' speech. |
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What i am talking about ? Think about this: This really important for humanity guy`s just have no time to fight fot their rights. They honestly thinks that their rights, freedoms, incomes, are UNIMPORTANT for humanity.
Where will be their place in Libertian society ? They will quickly become SLAVES. Why ?
Because Libertianism are extreme form of egoism. Any Libertian, will take so much freedom, as it can from anybody, who not bother about personal freedom.
What a pile of shit. You really don't have any idea what libertarianism actually is, do you? And you definately don't, AyeYo. I don't think that either of you understand that your continued ability to express your opinons about libertarians on this list is entirely dependent upon the ideology that you think so little of. You may continue to express your views, as popular as they may be outside of this forum and beyond the Internet, mainly because it is the firm belief of the powers present that you have the right to do so. Thus, you have the liberty to defame your hosts, because the dominate ideology in control of this forum believes that you have that right. Go try and support libertarian ideals on any forum that is not predominately libertarian and see how long your hosts permit you to do so. Note that this degree of tolerance the opinons of others does not depend upon you believing that you have any such right.No, but it doesn't depend upon you believing that I have that right.  Free speech is not exclusive to libertarians or this board. Did you notice that I have not once said that, as out of touch with reality as libertarians are, they should be silenced? I'm all for free expression and you're free to believe whatever you want in this society, including your libertarian ideas. Dobrodav even specifically said that all viewpoints should be allowed because that is how a good society is formed by concesus. So don't act like libertarians invented free speech. The right to speak against the soverign was a uniquely 'liberal' concept in the 1700's, back when 'liberal' meant something much closer to 'libertarian' than you are willing to admit. In effect, libertarians did invent freedom of speech.
But we've reached another contradiction of libertarianism. In libertarian society, non-libertarians are still forced to be subjected to libertarian ideals and societal forces which they do not subscribe to - kind of like how you're sitting here and crying about how you're unwillingly subjected to the forces of this non-libertarian society.
So how do you reconcile that contradiction?
What contradiction is that? Is that anything like an athiest who gets bent because he goes to a child's baseball game at the YMCA, and then some jerkoff bible thumper has the audacity to expect him to sit still while there is a prayer!? Oh my non-God! No atheist should be forced to sit quietly while someone else prays to the culturally dominate deity in the society that I continue to choose to live within at a public event that I chose to attend. Oh the horror! It's called freedom of religion, not freedom from religion, quite intentionally. You are just as free to ignore libertarians as that atheist is free to ignore the Christians. No one is forcing anything upon you, you came here of your own accord; and knowing now that this is a forum dominated by a culture that you detest, you contine to return of your own accord. If you don't like it, I'm pretty sure that even you can see the options available to you. |
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There is nothing arbitrary about me using a State document to justify actions against the State. ...if you live in illogical land, which you obviously do, being a libertarian and all. It's like saying Christianity is wrong and then quoting the Bible to prove your point. Like this?: Christianity condones Baby-killing! Psalms 137:9Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock! Out of context much? "O daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! 9Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+137&version=ESV |
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There is nothing arbitrary about me using a State document to justify actions against the State. ...if you live in illogical land, which you obviously do, being a libertarian and all. It's like saying Christianity is wrong and then quoting the Bible to prove your point. You do realize that the founders were ideologically far closer to libertarians than anything other politcal ideology that can be found in the United States today, right? |
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What i am talking about ? Think about this: This really important for humanity guy`s just have no time to fight fot their rights. They honestly thinks that their rights, freedoms, incomes, are UNIMPORTANT for humanity.
Where will be their place in Libertian society ? They will quickly become SLAVES. Why ?
Because Libertianism are extreme form of egoism. Any Libertian, will take so much freedom, as it can from anybody, who not bother about personal freedom.
What a pile of shit. You really don't have any idea what libertarianism actually is, do you? And you definately don't, AyeYo. I don't think that either of you understand that your continued ability to express your opinons about libertarians on this list is entirely dependent upon the ideology that you think so little of. You may continue to express your views, as popular as they may be outside of this forum and beyond the Internet, mainly because it is the firm belief of the powers present that you have the right to do so. Thus, you have the liberty to defame your hosts, because the dominate ideology in control of this forum believes that you have that right. Go try and support libertarian ideals on any forum that is not predominately libertarian and see how long your hosts permit you to do so. Note that this degree of tolerance the opinons of others does not depend upon you believing that you have any such right. |
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His job is to solve unemployment problems.
Really? Where in the job description included in the US Constitution is that? |
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