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4581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 13, 2018, 01:20:13 AM
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So delusions and hallucinations together would be enough for a diagnosis provided other causes had been excluded.

We're pretty much in agreement if you read what I said.

Who has excluded other causes?
4582  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 12, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
LOL.  Having hallucinations and delusions is a textbook example of schizophrenia.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/schizophrenia/index.shtml

He did have delusion/hallucination of talking to God.   So the only question is how severe were his symptoms.
No, those are not "textbook examples." Schizo. is defined by disassociation of cognitive patterns primarily. Halluc. / delusions can have many causations.

Have you ever known or associated with such people?

Schnieder's First Rank Symptoms for schizophrenia include both auditory hallucinations and primary delusions.

Similarly, both hallucinations and delusions are among the DSM-V list of symptoms required for a diagnosis of schizophrenia.

Yes, there are other causes, but af_newbie is right - hallucinations and delusions are literally textbook schizophrenia.


They do NOT in and of themselves permit a diagnosis of scizophrenia.

Let's take a look at the symptoms.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/schizophrenia/what-is-schizophrenia

Positive psychotic symptoms: Hallucinations, such as hearing voices, paranoid delusions and exaggerated or distorted perceptions, beliefs and behaviors.

Negative symptoms: A loss or a decrease in the ability to initiate plans, speak, express emotion or find pleasure.

Disorganization symptoms: Confused and disordered thinking and speech, trouble with logical thinking and sometimes bizarre behavior or abnormal movements.

Impaired cognition: Problems with attention, concentration, memory and declining educational performance.

So with Moses you have the first but not the other three?
4583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump Be Re-elected? on: September 12, 2018, 08:49:17 PM
Trump celebrating the 9/11 tragedy?



Gosh, I don't know the context of that. But here is his speech. Do you have any problem with it?

Flight 93 National Memorial
Shanksville, Pennsylvania

10:41 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much.  Thank you very much, Ryan.  So beautiful.

We’re gathered together on these hallowed grounds to honor the memory of nearly 3,000 souls who were murdered on this day 17 years ago.  We’re here to pay solemn tribute to the 40 passengers and crewmembers on Flight 93 who rose up, defied the enemy, took control of their destiny, and changed the course of history.

Today, we mourn their loss.  We share their story.  And we commemorate their incredible valor.

On September 11th, 2001, a band of brave patriots turned the tide on our nation’s enemies, and joined the immortal ranks of American heroes.

At this memorial, on this sacred earth, in the field beyond this wall, and in the skies above our heads, we remember the moment when America fought back.

Melania and I are grateful to be joined for today’s ceremony by Governor Tom Wolf and Governor Mark Schweiker.  I also want to thank the members of Congress in attendance: Senator Bob Casey, Congressmen Lou Barletta, Keith Rothfus, Bill Shuster, and along with the president of the Families of Flight 93, Gordon Felt.

We’re also joined by members of the National Park Service, along with firefighters, first responders, and incredible people from law enforcement.  These are truly great people.  (Applause.)  Some of you here today answered the call and raced to this field 17 years ago.  You fill our hearts with pride, and I want to thank you on behalf of our country.  Thank you very much.  (Applause.)

Most importantly, to the family members of Flight 93:  Today, all of America wraps up and joins together.  We close our arms to help you shoulder your pain and to carry your great, great sorrow.  Your tears are not shed alone, for they are shared grief with an entire nation.  We grieve together for every mother and father, sister and brother, son and daughter, who was stolen from us at the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and here in this Pennsylvania field.  We honor their sacrifice by pledging to never flinch in the face of evil, and to do whatever it takes to keep America safe.  (Applause.)

Seventeen years ago, your loved ones were among The Forty of Flight 93 — the 40 passengers and crewmembers onboard the 8:00 a.m. United Airlines flight from Newark to San Francisco.  They were men and women from every background.  They were young people returning from visiting family, moms and dads on business trips, and friends going and coming from birthdays and weddings.

They boarded the plane as strangers — and they entered eternity linked forever as true heroes.  (Applause.)

Soon after takeoff, Flight 93 was hijacked by evil men bent on terror and conquest.  Passengers and crewmembers began using their phones to call home.  They learned that two planes had already crashed into the World Trade Center in New York City.

Immediately, those onboard Flight 93 started planning a response.  Sandy Bradshaw, a flight attendant, called her husband and told him they were in the back of the plane preparing hot water to throw onto the hijackers.  Passenger Jeremy Glick explained the plan to his wife and said, “Stay on the line.  I’ll be back.”

The passengers and crew members came together, took a vote, and they decided to act.  At that moment, they took their fate — and America’s fate –- back into their own hands.

In the last 20 minutes, many placed their final calls home, whispering those eternal words: “I love you.”  Some said the Lord’s Prayer.  And then they bravely charged the cockpit.  They attacked the enemy.  They fought until the very end.  And they stopped the forces of terror and defeated this wicked, horrible, evil plan.

Flight 93 crashed yards from where we stand, just 20 minutes flying time from the United States Capitol.

Through their sacrifice, The Forty saved the lives of countless Americans, and they saved our capital from a devastating strike.

In the days after the attack, tens of thousands of fire fighters, police officers, and recovery workers traveled to New York and Arlington to crawl through the rubble in search for survivors.

There were prayer vigils, memorials, and charity drives all across our nation.

Here in Shanksville, many of you raised up the first memorial –- a wooden cross, a chain-linked fence, mementos and tributes pouring in, and dozens and dozens of American flags.

A piece of America’s heart is buried on these grounds but in its place has grown a new resolve to live our lives with the same grace and courage as the heroes of Flight 93.

This field is now a monument to American defiance.  This memorial is now a message to the world: America will never, ever submit to tyranny.  (Applause.)

Since September 11th, nearly 5.5 million young Americans have enlisted in the United States Armed Forces. Nearly 7,000 service members have died facing down the menace of radical Islamic terrorism.  (Applause.)

Today, we also think of the more than 200,000 service members now serving overseas.  And we think of every citizen who protects our nation at home, including our state, local, and federal law enforcement.  These are great Americans.  These are great heroes.  We honor and thank them all.  (Applause.)

As Commander-in-Chief, I will always do everything in my power to prevent terrorists from striking American soil.

Here with us today is Dorothy Garcia Bachler.  Her husband Sonny was one of the passengers on Flight 93.  On September 11th, 2001 — just over a month after their 32nd wedding anniversary — Sonny was on his way back from a business meeting.  He called Dorothy — who he loved so much — called her on the plane and uttered her name before the line went dead silent.

In the days after the attack, Dorothy told the investigators there was only one thing she wanted from this field: her husband’s wedding ring.  They would know it by the inscription etched inside.  “All my love,” it said, followed by the number “8/2/69” –- the date of their anniversary.  The officers — great people — promised to try.  But in this field of wreckage, it seemed certainly impossible.

Dorothy began to pray, and she asked her friends to do the same.  Days went by, then months.  Still no ring.  A week before Christmas, on December 19th, she heard a knock at the door.  Two officers were standing with a — really beautiful to her — she saw it was so beautiful; she knew what was happening — a beautiful, small white box.  Inside it was a wallet, a luggage tag, a driver’s license, a small bag with the wedding ring inscribed with those three precious words: “All my love.”

Those words echo across this field.  And those words tell the story of 40 men and women who gave all their love for their families, their country, and our freedom.

To Dorothy, and to every family here today, America will never forget what your loved ones did for all of us.  (Applause.)

Earlier this week, you dedicated the final part of this memorial: the Tower of Voices.  Standing at 93 feet tall, the Tower of Voices is now the first structure visitors see when they come to this now sacred ground.  It will hold 40 beautiful chimes that ring throughout these fields — each a unique note, but all in perfect harmony.

Every time we hear those chimes playing in the wind, we will remember The Forty.  We will remember their faces, their voices, their stories, their courage, and their love.

And we will remember that free people are never at the mercy of evil because our destiny is always in our hands.  (Applause.)  America’s future is not written by our enemies.  America’s future is written by our heroes.  (Applause.)

As long as this monument stands, as long as this memorial endures, brave patriots will rise up in America’s hours of need, and they too will fight back.  (Applause.)

Seventeen years ago, forty incredible men and women showed the whole world that no force on Earth will ever conquer the American spirit.  We treasure their memory.  We cherish their legacy.  And we ask God to forever bless the immortal heroes of Flight 93.

Thank you.  God bless you.  God bless the families.  And God bless the United States of America.  Thank you very much.  (Applause.)

END

10:56 A.M. EDT
4584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: shouldn't we plant billions of trees now? because on: September 12, 2018, 08:45:00 PM
.....why not ban the construction of any non-renewable power plants?...

For one reason, you'd be forcing a billion people in Africa to live in dire poverty like their ancestors.

For another reason, renewable cannot supply backbone power for grids.

Final reason, you'd be banning nuclear, which is the future of power.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/09/11/had-they-bet-on-nuclear-not-renewables-germany-california-would-already-have-100-clean-power/#16dc7e0e0d44
4585  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenderism is a mental illness. on: September 12, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
I think we should let people do what they want and not judge them.  However I do think transgenders are being pushed on the public with people like Kaitlyn Jenner, you can't even say anything negative about them without receiving a lot of backlash.
So much for accurate and impartial medical diagnosis and decision making....
4586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 12, 2018, 08:38:00 PM
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I worked with a guy who was later diagnosed with schizophrenia.  Really smart guy, real genius, nobody knew he had mental issues.
He was undoubtedly the smartest guy on my team.  Then he had a breakdown/episode, and was hospitalized.

We visited him in a hospital, he was half a man after all the drugs they were feeding him, hard to say if what he was saying was due to drugs or his condition.  He wondered, could not recognize half of the people who visited him.  He was talking nonsense about his girlfriend in Sweden, that she will come to visit him next week, shit like that.  He never had a girlfriend, nor been to Sweden.

Years later he was released, I saw him on linkedin, he was working as an IT manager.  Then he disappeared again.
 
Wow. Okay, you know then. It's a tragic thing.

Where I was coming from really, was more like being unable to relate (what we know of ) the behavior, thoughts and writing of Moses with people I have known that had various mental conditions including schizophrenia.

But as you know, the guy could have been totally sane and then turned.

4587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 12, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
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Moses was mentally ill because he 'heard" God talking to him or he made the whole thing up just to gain power over other poor schmucks.

We have plenty of "Moses like" conditions in mental hospitals today.  Mentally ill people claim all kinds of unbelievable things, and when you talk to them they sound very intelligent and well spoken; and yet they are insane.

Medicine has made progress in the last 2000 years so we can identify these conditions.  Back in Moses times, nobody knew what paranoia or schizophrenia is and how to identify it.

You are using these terms loosely and not in the correct sense scientifically. You're likely looking for "paranoid schizophenia."

I have not seen evidence of paranoid schizophrenia in the handed down reports of behavior of Moses.

People in mental hospitals ..... let's just say that they are the extremes of the spectrum of mental illness. Today, most are at home taking drugs, which control their illness until they forget to take them, and then perhaps they go shoot up a Schoo.

LOL.  Having hallucinations and delusions is a textbook example of schizophrenia.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/schizophrenia/index.shtml

He did have delusion/hallucination of talking to God.   So the only question is how severe were his symptoms.
No, those are not "textbook examples." Schizo. is defined by disassociation of cognitive patterns primarily. Halluc. / delusions can have many causations.

Have you ever known or associated with such people?
4588  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenderism is a mental illness. on: September 12, 2018, 12:20:07 AM
Who decides what is a normal mental state versus an illness?

I'm fairly certain there are zero "normal people" on this planet... everyone is a unique snowflake

Why demonize people for being different than you?

I hope you realize you also have personality traits which could be deemed abnormal, everyone does... you cannot condemn a mental illness without condemning yourself


More to the point... if you claim transgenderism is a mental illness... you are misinformed, because it was removed from that category:

Being transgender no longer classified as mental illness. Here's why
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/20/transgender-not-mental-illness-world-health-organization/717758002/

Quote
"It was taken out from the mental health disorders because we had a better understanding that this wasn't actually a mental health condition and leaving it there was causing stigma," said Dr. Lale Say, coordinator of WHO's Adolescents and at-Risk Populations team. "So in order to reduce the stigma while also ensuring access to necessary health interventions, this was placed in a different chapter."

If you still claim it is a mental illness, then you are simply a bigot who doesn't care what the science says, and you just hate people who are different for no reason other than you want to hate people who are different

Everyone in the world should or does follow the classification of Dr. Lale Say? That's pretty funny.
Does China? Russia? North Korea? Mexico? The US?
4589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: shouldn't we plant billions of trees now? because on: September 12, 2018, 12:15:49 AM
I've heard that planting trees at this point is useless.Estimations state that even planting the entire planet with trees wouldn't be sufficient to avoid earth's temperature keep getting higher."Planting trees hype" became just an excuse for associations to earn quick bucks.
Instead,we need to limit usage of fossil energy and replace it by other sources of energy environment-friendly like sun and wind.

This will not solve the root cause of the issue.

We need to reduce our global population growth to zero, or make it slightly negative.  Only then you will see some positive results, in few generations.

As it is now we are on track to be hit by a moving train.

Renewable energy would do squat when your energy demand doubles every 70 years due to the population growth.

It JUST needs some immediate change on a veeery big scale Undecided
All right.

Billions of trees won't cut it.

Let's go for trillions.
4590  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The black blockchain summit on: September 12, 2018, 12:12:25 AM
This is what actually creates possibly dangerous group thinking.

This is simply pure stupidity, an event with purpose but no meaning.

On the surface, anything can be hijacked for some agenda.

In reality, blockchain is a procedure, and a protocol that can be described mathematically.

4591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pennsylvania Catholic Church covers up 300 chomo priests on: September 12, 2018, 12:05:45 AM
And if you've walked away from Islam, congratulations.

Funny that you call me a Muslim even though I condemn both groups for their actions...
....
I think I implied "ex-Muslim."

As you are aware that is very different than Muslim.

But my point was that it's the very open nature of Western society that enables your protests against the Catholic priests, while in Islam you'd be keeping your mouth shut, or you'd be murdered.
4592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are terrorists only muslim in religion? on: September 11, 2018, 11:53:40 PM
why are all terror activities carried out in the world are by people of muslim religion?Why cant muslims let peace be there in the world?Are people of only muslim origins terrorist?so trumps decision by banning muslim is 100% correct?

from my own personal intellect i figure out that only radical islamic persons persue such paths of terrorism as no one in this world other than muslim society has initiated any attack or terrorism in any place they repeat such activities everyday throughout the world and if they get a reply from other community they state it as there are also terrorists from other religion and they decline this figure or fact that such activities are a reaction for what they did to our society .

That's exactly right. The Islamic practice of Takiyya.

We call it lying.

They call it Takiyya, lying to serve their god.
4593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the US tax system a trap? on: September 11, 2018, 01:28:25 AM
I've never seen a country with a simple tax code. Most Western countries have complicated tax systems, it's just the way it is and it's not unique to the US.

Australia does.
4594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Earth’s Greatest Threats on: September 11, 2018, 01:23:38 AM
Antibiotic-resistant bacteria. We hear about it but I feel that for the most part, we tend to think that it's a problem that somebody else will tend to and figure out.
Totally agreeing. So called "super-germs" ...
The only rational answer is to become "simper-humans."

I think most of us agree on the fact that the human is one of the main cause of earth's destruction....terence mckenna talk about this topic ...

No we don't agree.

McKenna is a fucking nut case and pseudo scientist.

in my oppinion greatest threats are humans, their fear, their greed, their panic, and possible assosiations that find together to reach goals at the expense of others. like bitcoin for example.
And the more the technology becomes more and more advance its do the opposite on the environment the plastics, E-waste will more and more and will destroy the living things in this world....

I admit to being worried about all the emails I put in the trash folder.
4595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump Be Re-elected? on: September 11, 2018, 01:20:53 AM
I think there's a strong possibility he will be elected unfortunately.
Another possibility would be just to stop this pretence named "democracy", make a coup and bring in some hereditary dictators like Bushes and Clintons.
Naw. We'll just vote in Ivanka.
4596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pennsylvania Catholic Church covers up 300 chomo priests on: September 11, 2018, 01:18:00 AM
That's fine and dandy... I know your type, I've dealt with you plenty

You seriously think because you can come up with an example of another group doing similar or worse things than your group... that suddenly your group is the good one

Wrong

Both groups are evil.  Period.

I certainly don't condone child slavery in Afghanistan... only the bible would condone child slavery (true story)

I choose to speak about the Catholic church because it is happening within a few miles of my house.  Afghanistan is on the other side of the planet (and the reports are much less trustworthy).  Like Jesus said, "remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from the eye of Afghanistan"

I agree, remove that forest from your eyes.

The Catholic Church is not "my group", I walked away from it decades ago.

And if you've walked away from Islam, congratulations.

Seriously.

4597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fuck politics it's a scam on: September 11, 2018, 01:13:56 AM
Fuck you politicians   .... ..We the people are slaves for these twats ......I will knock you cunts out with 1 punch you little fucking worms ..

How are you different from them?

They just want to fuck you...
4598  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenderism is a mental illness. on: September 11, 2018, 01:12:15 AM
This is very interesting as this is the very first time I heard about regret when it comes to transgenderism. Which makes me think that some people aren't really sure about their actual sex. Usually when I hear or watch stories about transgenders, they are all positive about it. This goes to show that this should not be an impulsive decision.
Actually their regret is well known.

Remember that these hormone treatments and surgeries do not really create a change from male to female or female to male. They are a crude and a rough attempt to do this.

Persons believing it is a real and true change could rationally be disappointed.

But they could also be disappointed because of mental issues, like you mention.
4599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 11, 2018, 12:57:20 AM
....

Moses was mentally ill because he 'heard" God talking to him or he made the whole thing up just to gain power over other poor schmucks.

We have plenty of "Moses like" conditions in mental hospitals today.  Mentally ill people claim all kinds of unbelievable things, and when you talk to them they sound very intelligent and well spoken; and yet they are insane.

Medicine has made progress in the last 2000 years so we can identify these conditions.  Back in Moses times, nobody knew what paranoia or schizophrenia is and how to identify it.

You are using these terms loosely and not in the correct sense scientifically. You're likely looking for "paranoid schizophenia."

I have not seen evidence of paranoid schizophrenia in the handed down reports of behavior of Moses.

People in mental hospitals ..... let's just say that they are the extremes of the spectrum of mental illness. Today, most are at home taking drugs, which control their illness until they forget to take them, and then perhaps they go shoot up a Schoo.
4600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 11, 2018, 12:48:01 AM
Massive amounts of DMT cure everything.

No wonder government and the medical try to keep us away from pot and other hallucinogens.

According to Terrence McKenna, someone stole a 55-gallon drum of DMT from the Army (with a dosage ~20mg, that is millions of doses)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3NLeKMImk&t=81s
"The US Army was trying to develop and aerosol artillery shell which would land in a vietnamese village, drive everyone nuts, and you could send your people in and take over in all the confusion"



Now I'm confused. You are supporting science instead of religion by reference to a leading advocate of pseudoscience?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
McKenna formulated a concept about the nature of time based on fractal patterns he claimed to have discovered in the I Ching, which he called novelty theory,[3][5] proposing this predicted the end of time in the year 2012.[5][6][7][8] His promotion of novelty theory and its connection to the Maya calendar is credited as one of the factors leading to the widespread beliefs about 2012 eschatology.[9] Novelty theory is considered pseudoscience.[10][11]
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