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461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin |Carbon Offsetting Crypto| Network Hash: 90 MH/s! on: June 09, 2014, 11:13:41 PM
From my previous posts you already know that I'm skeptical. I may be harsh but there is so many scams in this world there is no way easy to trust people. Even big projects, well organized seem to fails. I got scammed by ShareXcoin, something I would never imagined. The dev has all my trust, I promoted the business and all...

Anyway,
I'm skeptical but I really try to understand your project.

If I understand correctly, you try to be a kind of market carbon. Where people who lower their carbon emission get money (GreenCoin). But unlike the market carbon, pullutant people also get a reward (mining rigs dig GreenCoin even if they produce carbon because they use lot of electricity. Scrypt consuming more electricity than other popular algo.). Philosophically, I think it make no sense to pollute to reward environmentalists.

But this is not the biggest issue I have. If we talk strictly economics...

So we have miners who receive lot of coins that they will probably want to sell for bitcoins.
We have environmentalists that receive free coins, they will also probably want to sell for bitcoins.

That make a lot of people wanting to sell a lot of GreenCoins!
However, what are the incitatives to buy GreenCoins? If no one has reason to buy them, the price will fall. And soon, no one will want to buy the coin even at 1 Satoshi.

Maybe there is something that I don't understand?  Huh

I'm sorry you've been scammed in the past. I lost 6.5 BTC in MtGox so I certainly feel your pain. We are going to great lengths to develop a reputation as being trust-worthy, responsive to the community, and transparent on the operation of the coin. I hope that we come to deserve your trust in the future.

These are good questions and I spent quite a long time (while searching for a dev guru like ncsupanda) thinking about how the whole ecosystem would work. At some level, you make predictions and then you just have to pull the trigger and put it out there and see how the market takes it. In business this is called user testing and the benefit in most businesses is you can react to your user feedback and change the product. This is much more difficult with crypto's because you have to fork. But having said that, here are some comments in response to your concerns:

Scrypt:
We chose scrypt for a couple reasons. First, to ncsupanda's point, scrypt asic mining will reduce power consumption considerably for mining in the future. The second reason it has a good, stable history.

As to the power problem: The amount of mining ultimately would be fairly miniscule to the scale of the problem at hand. Global CO2 emissions are clocking over 31 GT annually. Let's take a look at bitcoin: obviously considered to be power-hog, but it's only 0.03% of the grid (I've read this elsewhere, if there is a better number, let me know). Electric power generation contributes 25% of the total global CO2 emissions, so 0.0003 * 0.25 * 31 GT = 2.3 MT of annual CO2 emissions coming from bitcoin's existence, or 0.0075% of all CO2 emissions. Now, we are all hopeful greencoin will become a great coin, and even if it did, I doubt it would be using substantially more power than bitcoin. If greencoin was capable of onlining green energy to even a 1% reduction in global electric power emissions, it means the coin reduces 33X more carbon than is produced by miners. At a 10% global reduction, it's over 300X and so on. Additionally, miners have an incentive to go green on their rigs because they get mined coins AND produced coins. Bitcoin doesn't offer this additional incentive. This is all before you even begin to account for the trade-offs that might actually work in cryptos' favor as an alternative payment system, for example, the energy needed to send payments in more traditional banking ways also uses power (servers, etc), and bitcoin might actually be net "greener."

GreenCoin Market:
Ultimately the demand comes from people who otherwise cannot get coins from either mining or producing (or if the latter folks want more). Since GreenCoin is a calculated carbon offset, if you wanted to make your lifestyle carbon neutral or net negative even, GreenCoin essentially gives you a mechanism to do that. For example if you wanted to offset the average American annual per capita emissions of ~17 MT (~1.5 MT per month) you could purchase 1.5 MT of greencoin per month.

For me personally I like to think that something along these lines really needs to be possible. I fly around a lot for work and vacations, and know that a cross country (US) flight is easily 200 kg CO2 per passenger. My solar panels only make about 8 kg a day at their best, so I can never offset my lifestyle on my own. But if I can buy this from other folks that produce much more than me, that would be awesome. This is what greencoin is designed to effectuate.

I hope that helps a little and I'm glad your at least interested in the concept enough to ask. We welcome other comments, feedback and questions from others as this project matures.
462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin |Carbon Offsetting Crypto| Network Hash: 270 MH/s! on: June 09, 2014, 08:42:27 PM
The GreenCoin network is officially alive! After yesterday's payout, a greencoin is worth 2.6 mg CO2 (about 1/10th of an ounce). It'll be fun to watch this number grow over time!

If you wanted to offset 1 gallon of gas burned (9 kg), you'd need to buy 3,461,000 greencoins. We're not quite there yet on supply Tongue ... so please consider signing your renewable system up with GreenCoin: www.grcoin.com/contact
463  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin |Carbon Offsetting Crypto| RERELEASE - 6/7/14 11:45 PM EDT on: June 08, 2014, 04:31:32 AM
I'm solomining it just fine. I don't think it needs a relaunch since its working as intended. I think its screwy that people dove straight into pools for a coin that literally has a 1kb blockchain though.

how many coins do you have after 46 minutes?
464  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin |Carbon Offsetting Crypto| RERELEASE - 6/7/14 11:45 PM EDT on: June 08, 2014, 04:07:16 AM
don't forget to upvote GRE:
https://www.allcoin.com/vote
465  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin |Carbon Offsetting Crypto| RERELEASE - 6/7/14 11:45 PM EDT on: June 08, 2014, 03:49:34 AM
Windows wallet live on website:
http://www.grcoin.com/
466  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin |Carbon Offsetting Crypto| RERELEASE - 6/7/14 11:45 PM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 09:08:18 PM
will launch,tomrrow?

we are currently scheduled to launch at 11:45 PM Eastern US daylight time (which is 3:45 AM on 6/8/14 BCT forum time). Basically it's a little more than 6.5 hr from now
467  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 05:46:20 AM
I will update the website.


http://www.grcoin.com/about

We'll post the updated schedule as soon as we have it. Thanks everyone and sorry again.
468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 05:33:27 AM
I will update the website.
469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 05:32:46 AM
Please don't relaunch until the windows wallet is available in a passworded-archive, else people will be complaining about it till the end of time.

that's a very good suggestion and I think the wallet was nearly done today so it's likely we can do the launch and have the wallet tomorrow.
470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 05:28:04 AM
S算法 过时  发布没人挖 换13 或者其他X11算法  机枪少啊

Dude seriously, we've already been over this, with asic scrypt miners coming out, then what for X11/13 ?
471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 05:24:26 AM
We'll relaunch and try again tomorrow. Sorry everybody, but it usually only gets better from here....
472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 05:23:39 AM
Got a few blocks, but it looks like the pool isn't getting any blocks even though they have more hashrate than me.

I think you started before the pool and didn't have a node, so the coin may be forked or unless someone connects to your node, they will not get any blocks
those first 90 blocks went to somebody though right?
473  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 04:55:49 AM
Since no nodes are listed, I just connected my daemon to the pool and started solo mining......

how is it going?
474  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | No Premine | Scrypt | RELEASE 6/6/2014 @11:45 AM EDT on: June 07, 2014, 04:18:18 AM
It look like you didn't bother to inform the only listed pool about your early launch.

You many coins are you insta-mining right now?

The post title is supposed to say 11:45 PM not AM. It was only moved up 15 minutes for a technical reason and it didn't change anyone mining it (and we are not mining it). ncsupanda went to bed but he said it should the coin should be going. The pool operator is in IRC #greencoin working on the pool now.
475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] GreenCoin | Carbon Offsetting Cryptocurrency | No Premine | Scrypt on: June 04, 2014, 05:49:29 PM


go renewables!
476  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] GreenCoin | Carbon Offsetting Cryptocurrency | No Premine | Scrypt on: June 03, 2014, 02:46:30 PM
the symbol could be CO2?
477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] GreenCoin | Carbon Offsetting Cryptocurrency | No Premine | Scrypt on: June 03, 2014, 02:25:55 PM

awesome, thanks coinbounties.
478  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRC] GreenCoin | Carbon Offsetting Cryptocurrency | No Premine | Scrypt on: June 02, 2014, 09:22:47 PM
Howdy all - Let's rock this global carbon problem!
479  Economy / Services / Web Dev - Paying 0.5 BTC on: June 01, 2014, 04:17:59 PM
working on a website for a coin. I'd expect someone good at rails to only need a few days at it. On-going features and support we can negotiate a rate. IM me!
480  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CARBONCOIN: The Completely Carbon Neutral Cryptocurrency on: April 21, 2014, 08:43:03 PM
is carboncoin on any exchanges? I can't find a link anywhere on these main pages and cryptorush is taking their sweet time to re-emerge from the ashes.

coinedup is yr only bet at the moment while craptorush is in a state of shite

wow - MC of $12k. Totally worthless.
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