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461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ONC] Onecoin - Live! on: June 14, 2013, 05:53:40 AM
getting close to block 25500 ...
Current height: 19611
462  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Guide: Building a Solar Powered Mining-Plant on: June 14, 2013, 05:06:27 AM
What would change if we don't want an off-grid system?

I.e. use power from panels, and use AC/DC PSU for the shortage/night time usage?

Say i need to run ~120 W miner. Backing up with grid means id use 0 to 120W from grid... How to loadbalance keeping consistent 12V supply?

Well, you wouldn't be using the battery or battery connection cable... instead you'd be using a grid-tie box, and probably be needing to call in a licensed electrician to tie that into an auxiliary panel. You'd also need to get permit from your town to do grid tie, some small towns don't allow it under their code. The DC-USB converter would also go as well... you'd be plugging into normal power outlets.

Depending on your town codes, and power company, you might be selling any excess power generated at a set rate (usually less than the generation rate you pay for receiving generated power), ultimately reducing your bill while giving the power company cheaper power. OR, the electric company might have a pass from the town or state in which they do not have to pay for excess power from your grid tie (some do... which REALLY sucks, because then they're getting anything you generate in excess for free.)

Overall, the initial hardware outlay would be cheaper because of the lack of battery. Your maintenance over time would be less too, also because you wouldn't have to change the battery at end of life (approx 8-10 years.) However, your TOTAL cost over time using panel+battery would be less than using panel+grid tie, and that would be less than grid-only. The break even point between each is usually about 2-3 years. (Longer time to pay off if you live in an area that has a lower solar efficiency, and less amount of hours of sun in a day. Las Vegas gets more hours per day and more direct solar than Chicago, which gets more hours and more direct solar than Finland. Google Photovoltaic Map)

Grid tie is getting too complex. The panel generates 12V which my equipment needs. I do not want to convert it to AC and send excess to the grid. All I want is to suck in the deficit from the grid.

Say the panel is 120W . My equipment needs 140W . at peak solar performance id be pulling in 20W from grid, and at night id pull in 140W.
So i get a 140W AC --> DC PSU. Now I got 2 12V sources... What minimalist equipment would I require which would use the solar 12V and make up for deficit from the PSU ?
463  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Klondike] Case design thread for K16 on: June 14, 2013, 04:58:02 AM
While this seems good in principle, there are some things to keep in mind when using outside air for cooling.

1) Just exhausting air to the outside and using the room as the supply means that the negative pressure you're creating draws the air from somewhere else in the house / building. Exhausting the air out your window means the air to make up for what you're exhausting is going to be coming into the house from somewhere else. You may not feel it but it's happening.
That is what i was counting on.. the house/building temperature is not that warm, close to ambient.
2) Using an inlet and an outlet will remove this but then you have to worry about air quality, humidity, and even potentially rain. If you have a long enough duct or have one of those dryer vent covers, you'll avoid rain but humidity (specifically condensation) is a more difficult challenge. The last thing you want to have happen is for the temperature to fall below dewpoint and you start getting condensation. Probably not going to be a huge issue since the temperature change across the device is going to be positive therefore producing exhaust air that is capable of holding more moisture than the intake air; but if it's enclosed and you're taking in cold air in the winter, it could potentially cause condensation on the exterior that could mess some things up. Additionally there's debris to worry about like dust, pollen, or whatever else. This can accumulate in the heat sinks or other airflow areas and either block airflow, foul heat transfer surfaces (meaning the internal temperature rises), or even accumulate and pose a fire risk.
It doesnt get cold, and never ever close to dewpoint, but the problem is humidity and/or pollution/dust. I feel using internal building air should be fine, since its not directly coming from outside...
3) In addition to humidity, electronics may experience damage or small cracks due to excessive rate of change of temperature (called heatup and cooldown rates). ASHRAE TC 9.9 (This is the 2011 version which was recently superseded by the 2012 version, though it's not publicly available from what I could find) is the industry standard for this type of thing. This is all to prolong life and prevent damage or danger to the environment. The point here is that if you have this running in the winter (presumably powered by an external fan) and the hash rate goes down (pool goes down, lose connection to internet, or any number of other reasons), if you continue to pump cold air through there, that could stress sensitive components and ultimately lead to premature failure.
Interesting. Will go thru the doc after a while. Hadnt thought about heat-cool cycle causing problems.
There are some other considerations but these are the top things to keep in mind. It's not as simple as just rejecting heat to the outside. It can be done but if it was simply that easy, every data center would be doing it.

In fact i thought about this because I remembered hearing about someone (it was either amazon or facebook unsure) throwing away the air from the hot isle, and using fresh air for further cooling and using. They obviously have some expensive equipment in place to treat the air before unleashing it onto the servers....
464  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Klondike] Case design thread for K16 on: June 14, 2013, 04:21:54 AM
I drew this little diagram in another thread, but thought it might be applicable here.

If you're not in a datacenter, then sealing everything up and channeling your airflow is the best way to go. For proper cooling, you need a low ambient temp. If the miner is dumping 1000+W into your spare bedroom, then the ambient is going to skyrocket. You could throw an AC into the room to combat the increase in temp, or you could throw all the heat out the window, literally, and just keep a fresh supply of cooler air coming in.

This thread has some good ideas for properly insulating and exhausting your rigs. At that point, you don't need to worry about giant AC units, you would just need a steady stream of cool, outside air. I live in the NE USA, and even in the summer, it barely gets 25C, and hardly ever to 30C, even in the summer. In the winter, it's not uncommon to see below 0C. Fresh, cool air isn't a huge concern for me. Wink

      COLD             HOT
       AIR               AIR
        |                      ^
          V                      | 
        OUTSIDE
----FAN-----------FAN---------------
        |                      ^           INSIDE 
        V                      |
         --> ASICs -->

I guess in winter you have free heating by removing the ducts...

Here the ambient can go as high as 35C!

The question is... if all the heat is thrown out the window, would 35C peak ambient need to be cooled using AC? If hot air is thrown out, naturally the room would suck in fresh ambient air from other sources to recoup maintain the pressure...
465  Economy / Auctions / Re: [WTS] My BFL Jalapeno Order #5284 ASIC miner. Auction - Shipped on: June 14, 2013, 04:11:09 AM
1 for 12 BTC
in case other bidder doesn't follow thru...
Condition: I don't accept risk of manufacturer default. You have to verify device is not DoA.
466  Economy / Auctions / Re: [Auction]Avalon chips already ordered arriving @ end of July / beginning of Aug. on: June 14, 2013, 04:02:58 AM
so... whats the current tally?

is my bid still valid or the PM bid ated it? personally i consider PM bids wrong.
467  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Klondike] Case design thread for K16 on: June 14, 2013, 03:54:25 AM
Had a random thought.

This is only for on premise hosting... not datacenter.

If we use such dense layouts, airflow is clearly channeled. All of the cool air would be taken in from one side and hot air coming out the other end. Why not seal the outlets, attach ducts, and release the hot air to outside....  I guess the devices should run fine with 25 - 30C ambient in tropics. One would need air conditioners because the hot air released increases the ambient much higher, but that wouldnt happen if you channel the heat out... The hot air should be 5 - 10C warmer than ambient i presume...

I see hosting in datacenter or controling airflow the only reasons for even needing a case.. if no airflow control is needed just keep naked pcbs...
468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTS] ONC . Reverse auction on: June 14, 2013, 12:24:06 AM
Ended without a winner...
469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [WTS] ONC . Reverse auction on: June 13, 2013, 11:49:39 PM
I want to sell 2 BTC worth of ONC.

Please bid here how much ONC would you like to receive for it. There is no reserve price, but I reserve the right to not sell.

I will sleep in 30 - 60 mins, so would like this concluded by then.

More trades tomorrow.

Timer removed. End time: 2013-06-14+00:19:52UTC
470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTB][ONC] Onecoin on: June 13, 2013, 11:38:31 PM
Waiting for a little price discovery....

The OP is working on some sort of order list... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200177.msg2466305#msg2466305 at the moment it seems what little trade is going on is happening privately... no idea what the market price is..
471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTB][ONC] Onecoin on: June 13, 2013, 11:20:50 PM
offer PM'd
472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTB] SBC, ARG, ONC on: June 13, 2013, 11:06:47 PM
The fuck is ARG and ONC?

Damn. I stay away from teh forumz for a nigga minute and 28 new alts are created. Welcome to the int3rnetz.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200177.0 ONC was announced on May 9th... 
473  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER ASIC FPGA GPU overc monit fanspd RPC linux/win/osx/mip/r-pi 3.2.1 on: June 13, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
you need to restart udev after u added the rules for it to see it. hell just restart the pi for good measure.

does lsusb see the asic?
anything funky in dmesg|tail ?

first see if cgminer sees the new device with sudo . if sudo also doesnt work, then its not permission issue, something different.

Sorry - linux noob here.  Thanks for your help.  I did restart the pi - twice.   My cgminer command line starts with:
Code:
sudo /usr/src/cgminer/cgminer -o http://...

Code:
pi@raspberrypi ~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9512 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0403:6014 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232H Single HS USB-UART/FIFO IC
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d3d:0001 Tangtop Technology Co., Ltd HID Keyboard
pi@raspberrypi ~ $ dmesg | tail
[   11.224838] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[   11.242032] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[   11.258035] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[   11.272962] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[   11.288352] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[   11.304921] bcm2835 ALSA chip created!
[   15.854575] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 18 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[   15.869959] mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset
[   19.843212] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[   24.073821] Adding 102396k swap on /var/swap.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:102396k SS
pi@raspberrypi ~ $

Well since you tried with sudo, means its not the udev things. sudo has access to everything.
0403:6014 is the BFL ... so it is being seen by the system all right. Probably something with cgminer... I dont have a BFL so cant help beyond this...
474  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Guide: Building a Solar Powered Mining-Plant on: June 13, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
What would change if we don't want an off-grid system?

I.e. use power from panels, and use AC/DC PSU for the shortage/night time usage?

Say i need to run ~120 W miner. Backing up with grid means id use 0 to 120W from grid... How to loadbalance keeping consistent 12V supply?
475  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: I am Getting a miner! Which one... on: June 13, 2013, 10:14:01 PM
If your only options are BFL Jalapeno or a USB Miner , pick the USB Miner any day. Atleast you "know" when it will come. With BFL you are going to spend next 2 (or 3 or 4 or 5...) months F5 raping this board anxiously.

Sound like turtle83 speaks with a voice of experience...

Nopes, never ordered BFL. The only pre-order ive ever participated in is Avalon chips. With Avalon chips the anxiety is a lot lower than what it would be with BFL
476  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: I am Getting a miner! Which one... on: June 13, 2013, 10:10:00 PM
If your only options are BFL Jalapeno or a USB Miner , pick the USB Miner any day. Atleast you "know" when it will come. With BFL you are going to spend next 2 (or 3 or 4 or 5...) months F5 raping this board anxiously.
477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTB] SBC, ARG, ONC on: June 13, 2013, 10:04:53 PM
WTS 5 uONC for 1 BTC

G
Any better offers?
WTS 5.5 μONC for 1 BTC but minimum sale 11 μONC

Lets get this party started.

Edit: 4.5 was mistake i meant 5.5
478  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER ASIC FPGA GPU overc monit fanspd RPC linux/win/osx/mip/r-pi 3.2.1 on: June 13, 2013, 10:02:24 PM
I'm cannot get my new BFL ASIC running on my RPi using cgminer 3.1.1.  It has been hashing fine with my BFL FPGA up to now (and it still works if I plug back it in).  

I tried these commands from the ASIC-README.  The second command was not required (it said the group already existed).

Code:
 sudo usermod -G plugdev -a `whoami`

 sudo groupadd plugdev

 sudo cp /usr/src/cgminer/01-cgminer.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/

Code:
 [2013-06-13 16:52:30] Started cgminer 3.1.1
 [2013-06-13 16:52:30] No devices detected!
 [2013-06-13 16:52:30] Waiting for USB hotplug devices or press q to quit
 [2013-06-13 16:52:30] Probing for an alive pool

I'm running in the default "pi" account.  Can someone please give me some guidance where to look or what to do next?  Thanks.  



you need to restart udev after u added the rules for it to see it. hell just restart the pi for good measure.

does lsusb see the asic?
anything funky in dmesg|tail ?

first see if cgminer sees the new device with sudo . if sudo also doesnt work, then its not permission issue, something different.
479  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ONC] Onecoin - Live! on: June 13, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
That's why I calculate in nONC or ľONC ... no leading zeros ... and in the metric system, you are used to prefixes, espeacially if you have studied math ;P

once upon a time... a long time ago... i could very easily "think" in micro, nano,  pico, fico, etc... but thats all lost now...
480  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ONC] Onecoin - Live! on: June 13, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
I am using my own username; or do you have to use onecoinrpc?

use anything u want.
it needs to be same in .conf as u use in cpuminer.
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