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4601  Economy / Securities / Re: BUSINESS PARTNER WANTED - Lucrative Business Opportunity with High ROI on: September 04, 2014, 12:54:16 PM
I dont see yet what you project is about. You have a advertising network. But instead you being the middle man between advertiser and publisher, they can connect directly? And you get a fee for making the contact?

You mention personalized ads as free as a the internet. Isnt that risky when someone creates such a personalized ad that installs keylogger or something? Is there no control?

And at the end i dont understand what you need $50k for. You mentioned you bought a domain for $35k, the website is ready 90% but i dont see what its needed for. Besides i dont see the worth of such a high priced domain while a longer, brandable name could do the same too.

On top... you claim the userbase is already huge... why not simply reinvest the profit from there? Im not sure yet why you need additional funds now.

You didnt mention the url as long as i didnt miss it.
4602  Economy / Securities / Re: Serious investment possibility coming from a reliable member on: September 04, 2014, 12:31:56 AM
Did you test already if your prediction algorhythm will work? I only think the following:

Each and every bettings site needs to calculate how certain win for a match and player is. Depending on that they will set the payout levels. At the end they do exactly what you try to do. So if someone wants to know, which player most likely will win, he only needs to check betting sites and the odds will show him the outcome that will come most likely. If that wouldnt work then betting sites would go bankrupt pretty fast.

So why do you think that you can create a system that is better than the predictions of those betting sites, that probably tweak their algo since decades already?
4603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NOS] Nostrum - New Source Code - Reserve Value - NosStore NosJob NosBet on: September 02, 2014, 11:35:14 PM
I see i was already mentioned in the the thread so i will post now the details about my involvement as escrow.

My service as escrow can only give security for the time beneath paying your bitcoins into the escrow address and receiving the ICO Coins. I created a single bitcoin address where interested users can pay their bitcoins in. PLEASE make sure that you only send coins from an address you control and you are able to create a signed message with. You will need that to prove you payment later with CounterStrike.

The escrow address is:
Code:
14RXbJ9fU8QDDxtCYX44Eh7Cw9KwWCamZe

The workflow so far will be:

* Sending coins to the bitcoin escrow address. ONLY from an address you control and you can sign a message with.
* Once CounterStrike solved all points needed to start you will need to verify your payment as yours.
* I need to be implemented in the personal messages. So that i get the signed message and can connect the BCT-Username to the sending bitcoin address.
* In order to know that the user received the ICO coins i need a confirmation that the buyer got the ICO coins so that i can release his btc to CounterStrike. Alternatively, if it will work that way, the buyer gives me (and CounterStrike) the info about to which address send the ICO-Coins to. So that i could check if the coins reached the ICO-Coin-Address. Though this second way is only an alternative in case it will work that way.
* Once i got the confirmation that the ICO-Coins reached, i will forward the Bitcoins and my service ends for the single user.
* I will ask CounterStrike for his ID, i didnt ask yet so i dont have it yet. I will update this post once i received the ID or once he denied to give me his ID.

If youre fine with the security level this will give you then you can start sending Bitcoins to the escrow address.
4604  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain on: September 01, 2014, 10:38:18 AM
I know, but i really need them back. 3 years of time and effort I put into getting those coins.

You are in Bitcoins for 3 years already? Didnt you notice that the amount of scammers are huge?

In case you didnt notice yet. You most probably didnt login into your normal blockchain.info wallet but you logged into a fake wallet. So you gave the scammer your wallet login details and he used it to steal your coins.

Even if you contact blockchain.info support it most probably wont work since the scammer will have send the coins to an address only he controls, not blockchain.info.

So im sorry but you fall for a phishing attack and i dont see a way to get the coins back. Unfortunately everyone in here has lost coins to either scams, inept businessmans or or or. Be super cautious, ask others and investigate before you do anything like investing and so on.

And you should enable additional security settings for wallets. 2FA for example. (But dont forget to note down the creationcode for the 2FA. So in case you lose your phone you can setup the same 2FA on another phone again.)
4605  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: August 27, 2014, 10:46:15 AM
Adding to my last post. If the donation depends on if a BCT-User convinced them then it could be failsafe i guess.

In that case NPOs are eligible for a donation if:

* The NPO asks in here BEFORE they implement BTC
* A BTC-User convinces them to accept BTC. Doesnt matter then if he asks here before or claims he convinced them after that.

But not when:

* A NPO has the BTC-Donation Ability implemented and says they did it because of BTC100.

This only would work if the BTC-User has to be on here since some time already. Or do i miss a point?

I think it would be helpful to clarify things a bit more and publish clear rules so that NPOs that wouldnt be eligible dont need to ask.
4606  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: August 26, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
Still, the initial plan of BTC100 was to give an incentive to charities which do not accept Bitcoin yet. As a way to enlarge the number of charities, and not as a way to reward a charity after they already came to the good conclusion to accept Bitcoin donations.
Some charities were already declined because of this, although those were great charities and support-worthy.

I know. And youre right. I only think its a not perfect condition. If someone only recently sat up the donation button he could come and claim he created it to take part in B100. And followed the rules. We couldnt prove it happened differently.

Personally i would think a X Weeks ago would make more sense though like you say, the rules are set already. Probably the rules only could be changed by checking the current balance and contacting the last donators until current balance is met. So that the current balance donators are asked.

But i see its for spreading Bitcoins not for rewarding for accepting bitcoins in the first place.
4607  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: August 25, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Hi,

I'm currently a board member for http://www.ac-af.com.  I have been trying to get in touch with Bitcoin100 for a few weeks now. 

AC-AF is a non-profit with offices in Toronto and Tanzania, with people on the ground in Africa helping kids impacted by HIV/AIDS.  I recently convinced the rest of the board to allow me to integrate Bitcoin onto our site as a donation method.  I understand that Bitcoin100 provides grants of $1000 for non-profits - would we qualify for such a grant? 

It was extremely difficult to get the board to understand how beneficial accepting Bitcoins as a form of donations, since most were only aware of what they saw on the news regarding the risks and its association with illegal activities.  I'm hoping that accepting Bitcoins as donations is only a first step.  It is very hard for us to send funds from Toronto to Tanzania (Africa) given the process and the fees involved.  I plan on having this organization send funds back and fourth using Bitcoins to pay for local programs, rent, salaries and grants in Africa once I can establish a credible conversion method on the ground in Tanzania. 

The Bitcoin100 grant will go a long way for us as we are in the midst of new management at the organization with a new incoming Executive Director and fairly new and forward thinking board of directors.

Unfortunately we have received 0 bitcoin donations to date, but I am certain this will change in the future. 

Our donation page is located at http://www.ac-af.com/blog/bitcoin
Our donation address is 14zrnfv5n6Ad2WAgvCojk1GK4txkCzre25

As far as i see it your website is legit and so is the project. I dont see a reason why you should not be eligible. Though the last word has Rassah.
4608  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Would Anyone Like a Truely Anonymouse Email Service on: August 23, 2014, 07:24:15 PM
Anonymous email services always should have a single point of attack. So the provider for example. Maybe take a look at bitmessage. There is an email service bitmessage.ch that implements bitmessage. Maybe you can find some good ideas from there. But i dont see how you can solve the centralisation.
4609  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: August 23, 2014, 07:20:37 PM
I'm thinking of doing an approach to these guys behind the ice bucket challenge:

http://www.alsa.org/fight-als/ice-bucket-challenge.html

Before I do though can I check that they will be eligible receive a donation?



Wow. Didnt think they reaches 62.5 Million USD in donations already. Im not sure bitcoins would make a difference though bitcoins might get mentioned in this.

Regarding the project itself. I think its a project that can be supported.
4610  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: August 23, 2014, 03:42:17 PM
Apology?  I had to post here for them to do something about it, a few hours after I post here I magically get an email back.  Pretty sure it's not them that's owed an apology.

And BTW while I was waiting for a reponse, I had a friend send emails and they responded to him without a few hours each time.

YOU allow your own account being hacked. Then you send an email to the support so that they can help you. And only because they dont answer as fast, as you want them to answer, you believe you have the right to call them thieves? Really?

Im not sure if you handle problems always that way but if localbitcoins would be a realworld store and you speak that way to the staff, then for sure i would give you a house ban.
4611  Economy / Securities / Re: [ApplianceStore] - Official Reports - Daily Updates - Important Information on: August 17, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
NotLambchop... I guess ill answer you one time before i forget about you.

I didnt lose all my coins in weex. Its not wise to put everything in one basket like you should know. Regardless of what you believe about weex and ukyo. I took my time to investigate the weex case carefully and it doesnt matter trying to convince you about the current status. It simply is the best choice to stop speaking about it for now. If you would take your time you would get it at some point. Though when i read you foul language then i doubt somehow that you are able to manage being that level headed.

Anyway. What i do, think and find out isnt depending an what the forum troll thinks about me or what names he throw around. Im done with this now.
4612  Economy / Securities / Re: [ApplianceStore] - Official Reports - Daily Updates - Important Information on: August 17, 2014, 08:01:42 PM
I will now use the ignore link on Satan666 and NotLambchop. If they would bring up legit points but the naming and pure hate only annoys me.

I bought a couple of shares, checked if the ebay account owner is aware of this offer before, and i can be in contact with the issuer all the time. On top i can prove things, that he claims, are correct.

As a small shareholder i consider myself as a partner and yes, his decision is fine by me. He has employees that can run everything. Though i hope he gets a nice foreman that can run the shop business in case AB isnt available, so that everything runs fine in the meanwhile, but its not so much important to get my coins daily.

Im fine with condensed weekly updates or updates twice a month. Though i would like to read some words on development in the shop too sometimes. For example new employees and things that happen around there. Just interested whats going on.
4613  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: August 14, 2014, 03:46:15 PM
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From: tubro

The non-profit I was talking about is
rockzipfel: http://www.rockzipfel-leipzig.de/ . It's definitely
non-religious and non-political. The idea is rather unique: They make
it possible for parents to stay close to their small children while
working and foster community at the same time. You go there and find
everything you need in an office and your kids get looked after by
volunteers from all over the world. I have been going there with my
little daughter for about half a year now. In fact I am working there
now

They have been featured in quite a lot of national media and won
family friendlyness prizes and EU funding. They are a tax-deductible
common-good non-profit in Germany and $1000 would make quite an impact
there. Do you think they would be eligible?

I have spoken to them yesterday and they would be open to accepting
bitcoin.

Hope to hear from you soon,

   Stefan

They seem to be a legit non profit organization and are mentioned in a big magazine. The workers there work for free though there is a monthly fee for it. The magazine writes its still way cheaper than a kindergarten or a childminder. I think its true that they dont earn money and the fee most probably is only for covering costs like rent of the flat, internet and so on.
4614  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Escrow list on: August 11, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
I think it might be useful to trim that list. Im pretty sure there are many users in the list that arent active anymore. For example i checked the first 10 linked profiles. 4 of them werent in the forum since months, 2 of them werent for around a week and so on.

I think the list in the current form isnt as helpful as it once was.

@squall1066 if you dont have time to check those profiles i could help you providing a least with the last logindates of the listed escrows. Let me know if i can help.
4615  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: August 07, 2014, 12:58:15 AM
I has been given the tip about this thread here. Since i wanted to fight free trade agreements like TTIP (with their democracy undermining arbitration courts and following problems for citizens) i searched a political movement that accepts bitcoins and fight TTIP. I found Lobbycontrol eV http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbycontrol which is a not so small NPO fighting lobbying.

I asked them to accept Bitcoins and at the end i helped them setting up a way to donate Bitcoins with bitpay.com. Then i donated a nice amount of coins.

Here is the original thread in german about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=574721.0;all

And here the link for donating bitcoins: https://www.lobbycontrol.de/unterstutzen/bitcoin-spenden/

Anyway... im not sure if the website matches this threads effort but it might be the case.

Thanks!

It is political but not in a way as its connected to a party. Its a movement that tries to lay open lobbying. For example companies that pay politicians or send lobbyist to have more influence on them than the normal people. I would say its a NPO that tries to help the normal people by fighting the influence of big money on political decisions because those decision too often hurt the normal people. Im not sure if the political character already is a stop-sign. At the end people that try to make things better for people often end up being somewhat political since trying to change politics is mostly better than only to fix the errors resulting from bad politics.

Good enough for me. $1000 sent (had to split into two transactions because they had a 500EUR limit)
https://blockchain.info/tx/a1802cbad799da47ff201584aa7bc19d5c49a65b6ad27dae48c5adc7fc3dee30
https://blockchain.info/tx/78d0deee344e1e2a557fce07aa1d089d5d36df26b3c09427f61eb9d3d40e631c

Great news. I already contacted the person in charge and he wrote he will send you an email to thank you. Smiley

Dear Rassah and all of Bitcoin 100,
I currently work for a non-profit organization called More Than A Game that focuses on using soccer to give refugee youth the opportunity to grow in character, leadership, and teamwork through soccer camps, tournaments, and leagues.


Looks like a classic charity. They seem to use football to first make competitions to collect money and second use football to better the life of refugees by having fun.

Does this mean you approve?

I only now saw that cbn named it the "christian ministry more than a game". Im not sure it that is a KO since it doesnt really look like religion is involved. Though still... religions donate nicely and most probably would do so for this project anyway too.

In case its not a ko:
The website seems to be registered since 2011 and the google search results look good so far. They have a project at bitcoinstarter https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/671 and google shows indexed links from 2011 that match the urls and content from the actual website. I find mentioning of projects of them on cbn (christian broadcast network, seems to be a big news network). No wikientry so far and i dont find more official info about them. There are other things with that name fighting cancer or fund athletics but they seem differently.

It looks good to me that its not newly created and it seems to be a classic NPO to help kids in special. Only it runs under "christian" for some reason. Maybe because they get donations then from christian community.

They just sent a follow-up regarding the CBN thing:

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Hey no worries, and I wasn't aware that they had. I know CBN is a Christian news agency, and since we had partnered with World Compassion (which is a Christian NGO) to help with refugee relief in Iraq, CBN probably put us together for their newspiece. Several of our coaches and staff are Christians, but we also have Muslim coaches that coach for us.

Since I didn't see anything non-secular on their website I'm going to say that the are probably ok, and if no one objects for a few days, will send them the donation.

Sounds fine to me. That was the NPO that looked like they deserve a donation most to me. So when the religious thing is out of the way then donation can flow.

Also, regarding this

I came across this charity run by university students in NZ - 100Percent.org.nz

They provide a platform for students to sign up & offer tutoring services, with 100% of fees earned going out to the tutors' charity of choice.
The site retains none of the revenue, and hence is dependent on donations to fund their operations and ongoing developments.
Their Donations Page already has a Bitcoin address. Sounds like they are a good charity to support.

Seems legit to me. Added.

Thank you so much for adding 100Percent to the list of charities in Bitcoin100. We really appreciate it. I was just wondering if there was anything we needed to do in order to receive the Bitcoins?

Hi Crystal. I don't remember if I asked, but when did that site start accepting bitcoins?

we got a reply

Hi Crystal. Do you know when your charity started to accept bitcoins?

Yes, since the 1st of March when we launched our new web platform.

They started on March 1st, and asked for a donation on April 26th. I think that's a bit too long, since the point is to convince charities, not reward them...

Sounds strict. Its possible that they took some time to deal with something. 2 months shouldnt kill that chance, though thats only my personal thought.

And i wonder how many NPOs that received a donation only created the bitcoin acception possibility because of bitcoin100. It sounds like most sites were found and not convinced by bitcoin100 shortly before, though i might have gotten a wrong impression from the introduction posts of the NPOs.

On top, i believe most NPOs will add the donation possibility silently and see how it goes before they make a press release or something like that. So i wouldnt wonder when many sites accept bitcoins since some time but only later they make it known more publicly.



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Hi Rassah,

Thanks so much for replying to my tweet.

Marijuana Majority is an officially registered 501(c)(3) public education organization in the U.S. that seeks to inform the public and policymakers about the diverse and growing group of prominent voices speaking out about the consequences of marijuana prohibition laws. From the racially disproportionate impact of the enforcement of these laws, to the distraction of police officers from stopping violent crimes, to the waste of taxpayer resources, to the enrichment of gangs and cartels that control the black market, there are many reasons that diverse voices from across the political spectrum are speaking up for change. While we seek to highlight this growing chorus for reform and educate the public that this issue is becoming more and more mainstream, we are strictly not a political organization. That is, we do not endorse or oppose candidates for elected office. We do not engage in any level of politicking; our work falls squarely within IRS rules for nonprofit public education organizations.

We decided to start accepting BTC donations just this past week after 1) finding out about Bitcoin100's generous offer and 2) being encouraged to do so by many would-be donors on reddit.

Please let me know if you'd like to see documentation of our 501(c)(3) status or if there are any questions about our work that I can answer for you.

Thanks again,
Tom

This was sent to me 10 days ago (took a wile for me to get to), and looks fine to me. Can someone please verify that they are ok?

I dont find their bitcoin donation button. Manually by mail?

Looks like an old site and looks legit judging from the newssites that mention them. They simply want to legalize weed.



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Hi  Dmitry,
 
I am the founder of a brand new nonprofit, Intsikelelo, that helps orphans and vulnerable children in South Africa.  Our launch this week was very exciting, as a video we made to promote the launch ended up going viral on the internet.  After many suggestions on reddit that we accept bitcoin donations, we made an account with BitPay and are now set up to accept bitcoin donations.  I've heard that your organization could help us out in various ways, which is really exciting for us!  We don't know very much about bitcoin but are excited to learn more.
 
Please let me know more about your organization and how we can work together.  Our website is www.intsikelelo.org, and our BitPay button is located on our donation page at www.intsikelelo.org/donate .  The viral video I mentioned is on our website or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4_2gbx2Kxg if you have any interest!
 
Thanks,
Chris Grava
Intsikelelo

They are a year old, and also seem fine, but I'd like a second opinion too please.

They are mentioned a lot of times on websites so i think they are legit. Too hard to fake.




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Hi Rassah.

I used to serve on the Board of Directors of the Northern California
DX Foundation (www.ncdxf.org).  This is a U.S.-based 501(c)(3) charity
that promotes international scientific expeditions and education
through amateur radio.

I've been working on trying to convince NCDXF to accept bitcoin
donations, and I think I'm close.  If there's a chance they'd be
eligible for a $1000 donation from Bitcoin 100, that might just be the
last little nudge I'd need to get them to start accepting bitcoin
donations.

Please take a quick look at the NCDXF web site and see if you think
the organization might be a candidate for a Bitcoin 100 grant.  If so,
let me know the process, and I will put the idea back in front of the
current Board of Directors.

Regards,

Tim Totten

Quick glance at this and they also look ok, I guess. Maybe they can help set up some radios to broadcast bitcoin blocks around the world Smiley

They look legit to me.




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Hello Rassah,

I looked through some forums on r/Bitcoin and saw that your organization provides some funding to secular and non-political charities and organization. [Last week] I helped a local charity set up a Bitcoin address and donation option and was wondering if their organization meets any other qualifications for funding from your organization.

Here is the website to our local charity/not-for-profit:
http://familyenrichment.ca/index.php/en/page/home

Family Enrichment Counselling Services Inc. is a secular and non-political charity that specifies in mental health services and education for the local community. We provide rate adjusted counselling for those who cannot afford mental health services, and we provide free counselling for those who have been a victim of violence in the family.

I was also wondering if it's possible to have our website added onto yours.

Regardless of your answer, I'd like to extend a thank you for supporting charities in the way you're doing. It's very encouraging to see people band together without a central authority.

Thank you,
Sherry

And their follow-up:
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The rates are adjusted based on the financial situation of the client. Some of the fees are strictly for a psycholigist or mediation services, but our primary interest is affordable counselling for people in need.

My apologies. I do not hold any executive title in the organization so my answers may not be in depth, but my understanding is that fees are collected to ensure that the therapists on staff are paid and that the rent for the offices are paid. Any additional revenue goes back to subsidizing clients for mental health services in the case that they cannot afford counselling. We service many single mothers and clients with trauma that have vulnerable living and financial situations. In addition, extra funds are used to create affordable and often free group therapy programs.

As for our charity work, I know that we are registered. I believe our free educational and therapeutic programs for the community enable this title. We also collaborate and help other charities when we see they need a boost by setting up events and promotion. I can acquire additional details for you if you want specifics of exactly what distinguishes us as a charity.

I'm kind of undecided on this one...

Me too. Its a bit strange speaking of NPO and then presenting such prices. I checked google results and it seems this organisation is nowhere seen as a normal business. Only as a charity. So think the info he gave are correct and that the fees are only additional services that help to fund the other activities.




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Good morning,

My name is Kirsten Tynan, and I am executive director of the Fully Informed Jury Association, a 501c3, non-profit, educational organization dedicated to fully informing everyone of jurors' right and authority to judge the law as well as the facts in cases before them, and to conscientiously acquit through jury nullification when a just verdict requires it.

I have been looking into setting FIJA up to accept Bitcoin, and one area I have not yet figured out is what we need to do for Bitcoin donors to fulfill legal requirements for some kind of receipt for their tax-deductible donation. Do you have any guidance on this? I browsed the Bitcoin100 website a bit, but didn't find anything on this. I tried to send you a message through the BitcoinTalk forum, but that is not working for me at the moment so I hope it is okay to try and reach you by e-mail.

Thank you!

Kirsten C. Tynan
Fully Informed Jury Association
http://www.FIJA.org

and their follow-up a week ago, after they contacted me earlier in the month:

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Looks like we are now verified sufficiently to accept $1000 per day in Bitcoin, so I think we are good to go!

Our mission is to educate everyone that jurors have the right and responsibility to conscientiously acquit defendants through jury nullification when a just verdict requires it. Jurors may wish to exercise this authority when they believe a law is inherently unjust or unjustly applied, when they believe a punishment is unjustly harsh compared to the severity of the offense committed, etc.

In addition to providing a new avenue for donors to help support FIJA, we look forward to being listed as a Bitcoin-accepting charity because it opens up opportunities for us to start conversations with new communities who I think would potentially benefit by access to jurors who are fully informed of and willing to exercise their traditional, legal authority to vote Not Guilty. There is a great need right now for jurors to stand in peaceful defense of harmless people targeted by government for prosecution for political and other malicious reasons.

Thank you so much for this opportunity!

Kirsten

These guys have been around for a while! Looks good to me, but, again, just need a second opinion.

Wow. Prominent Bitcoin Button. They have their own wikipeadia article so i think they are a NPO and they specialize in educating Jury members about their rights. I wonder why one would need money for that since the website could do it on its own but they seem to do some sort of public service.




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From: Patrick Wilson
Jul 16, 2014

Hi Rassah,

Yes we are a non-political, secular charity with over 22 years of Serving the homeless population of the Greater Los Angeles area with Food, Housing, Clothing, Child care services, case management, Job placement and much more.

Apologies for the broken link, You can access our site at: http://www.newimageshelter.org.

Let me know if you have any further questions. 

Thanks so much for what you do and for taking the time to respond to us. 

Looking forward to speaking further with you soon!

These guys integrated their bitcoin donation option shortly after contacting me (in May >.< I am soooo behind), so still qualify from the "you have already been receiving bitcoin" point. Please check them on all other aspects.

Looks legit to me and they are mentioned through so many ways that i cant imagine faking it with a useful amount of work. I didnt find something suspicious.
4616  Economy / Securities / Re: The Next American Gold Rush! ⋆⋆⋆⋆฿itcoin฿udz⋆⋆⋆⋆ on: August 02, 2014, 08:09:45 PM
Greenwich time should be the default for such forums i think. When i register an account i mostly dont bother to set up anything, only want to post. Maybe i add things later or change the timezone when it disturbs me for some reason. Only saying.
4617  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: no escrow means scammer? on: July 31, 2014, 12:08:12 AM
Wait, some say escrow slow?

Why would escrow be slow?

Isn't it just multi-sig?

Escrow mostly means involving a third person that hold the coins from the buyer until the goods were received correctly. Having a person as escrow helps in case of problems coming up so he can ask for information, try to find the truth and negotiate a solution.

It can take a bit because not all persons in the trade are in the forum all the time.
4618  Economy / Securities / Re: [Weexchange issue] The fall of Ukyo III - Updates and references on: July 29, 2014, 08:50:13 PM
I would like to not "fight" in two threads so maybe read my answer here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg8090750#msg8090750

Sebastian, its quite easy. He has absolutely no obligation to pay back to coins unless sued.

He's "available", but still doesn't say where the coins are. Sueing him would force him to talk.
If they're lost (either due to high incompetence or because he used the money) we're fucked anyway. Sueing him would force him into pay back or bankruptcy (although there hasn't been a case with bitcoin yet).
If he says the coins were stolen, he needs to prove that. It's not like the court would just accept "uh, yeah, they were stolen, ups".

He tried to make it seem that there are legal reasons for the coins beeing unavailable, if beeing sued, he might be able to talk about that.

Also don't forget that he was most likely lieing when telling there were technical issues with withdrawals at the beginning of november. Its quite certain now, that the coins were missing at that point and that this was causing the problems.

Even if he launches new projects to try to pay back his debt. Who says anyone would trust him again and use his services?

Right... sueing him would make him talk. And i already went so far to send ukyo and graet a letter demanding information. I didnt sue him because he claims the coins are gone and without weex they cant be retrieved. And that sounds logically to me. Ill copy simply from the other post i made now: Weex dont have the coins. If sued and demanding the coins then weex has to go bankrupt otherwise ukyo would take legal risks personally. And if weex is gone then there is no one that could demand the coins back. Simple as that. So the decision is simply to believe ukyo for now or try if he lied and take the risk to kill the chance to get the coins back.

I simply would want to wait until its clear if the original coins can be retrieved. Of course that cant take forever. Im not sure that you can sue him to explain where the coins are without forcing him to set weex bankrupt. As CEO he would need to do this.

SebastianJu  you have to wake up and smell the coffee man.

Such a dead horse . But anyways, for ole time sake:    Ukyo is on IRC. Who the crap cares? He has said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of substance on where the 'missing' millions of dollars of stolen bitcoin has gone every week on IRC for what, 8, 9 months now?  So he's available for comment, and just 'can't talk about it'... ?

The situation is far more simple than you make it out to be.

Here is the situation:

Many of thousands of bitcoins were deposited to Ukyo.
Many of thousands of bitcoins were loaned to Ukyo.
Ukyo gave none those coins back.
Ukyo has not said any details on where the missing millions went, after many months.

Those are the key elements of the entire situation. For my 100th and final time:   there is absolutely no situation or justification for owing millions of USD$ worth of bitcoin to debtors and not giving any response on why this happened. There is no NDA or legal agreement from any Earth or Alien court that would bind him not to say anything about the coins gone missing that were deposited to him, unless it was made by some secret court such as the CIA or some other dumb shit which we can very obviously disregard as next to impossible.

What ----  the ----- very highly  ---   most likely --- thing --- that - happened --- here ---- is :      Jon Montroll took debts and either lost them (gambling, investments gone sour etc) or just straight up stole them.

Really, there are next to ZERO other scenarios that could have happened. You are being way to forgiving to a guy that stole or lost millions from the community.  I'd like at least some of your pity for losing my $600 of bitcoin because I could have really used that much more than Jon Montroll.

I dont believe in a NDA too. But i wouldnt be against a lawsuit when the silence couldnt be explained. For example, lets say the coins are gone, ukyo sees he has a problem. The first person would be his lawyer that would say to him "dont say anything" until things are cleared. Next thing might be an investigation and the investigator would say "Dont say anything until we cleared things in order to not hinder the investigation".

Anyway... im tired of all this. I take the shitstorm for ukyo. Maybe i should give up and dont care anymore. My life would be a bit more peaceful.
4619  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: July 29, 2014, 08:34:33 PM
Guys... im getting tired of this shitstorm. Believe what you want but i think its stupid to not try to inform you first hand and judge without trying to inform.

By the way... tell me that im delusional or whatever but dont say im dishonest. I maybe had more coins in escrow than most other escrows on the board, at one point over 3k Bitcoins at a time and i didnt run with them. So if you want to say something negative about me then that i might be wrong on my judgment with ukyo but not that im dishonest.

Is there ANY reason to believe that this 'Ukyo' is genunely trying to return the "lost" coins? 

No proof available. Only his word. Though it makes sense that the coins cant be retrieved anymore when weexchange has to go bankrupt. Its commons sense that doesnt need ukyo. Weex dont have the coins. If sued and demanding the coins then weex has to go bankrupt otherwise ukyo would take legal risks personally. And if weex is gone then there is no one that could demand the coins back. Simple as that. So the decision is simply to believe ukyo for now or try if he lied and take the risk to kill the chance to get the coins back. I made my decision for the moment but it seems a couple of people think they are way wiser than me. They dont bother to contact ukyo but think they know what happened and will happen anyway. Good luck then i only can say.

SebastianJu is a great judge of character and an experienced financier.  There's no known scam he hasn't already fallen for.

Sadly it involves some truth. Though its hard having invested in the past and NOT losing. The projects that did earn money at the end are only very few. Mostly it would have been wiser not to invest at all. But i think you dont need to speak down on me. As far as i remember you werent wiser than me in the past and you lost your part too.

I'll reply to the rest after this. Here is, AFAICT, the entirety of the evidence available:
- Ukyo ran some number of enterprises that held assets of others
- Those enterprises have folded
- Creditors of these enterprises have not had their assets returned
- Ukyo has not communicated his position, plans, nor intents to these creditors

OK, what am I missing?

Based upon that evidence, the only rational conclusion is that Ukyo has absconded with the assets, and has no plans to return them.

Of course we do have SebastianJu claiming to be in possession of some secret insider knowledge about Ukyo's true heart. Irrelevant. Inadmissable as hearsay.

As I have said before - honorable people who owe creditors do not avoid informing those creditors.

*sigh* Again, you seem to not being able to a bit imagination. You never heard of lawyers that says you should not say anything until things are cleared? Never heard of investigations where you shouldnt say anything to not risk the investigations?

Fine by me. Its proof for you so do what you want. Maybe youre right. But maybe you only kill my chance to get the original coins back. And thats why im against a lawsuit for the moment.

Do you realize that you are putting yourself in the role of Ukyo's proxy here, by your advocacy? Is this really what you want? You won't tell us what Ukyo has told you - fine. But you can't expect us just to take your word on the matter. I suggest you think long and hard about what others think of your advocacy, and your esteem due to smoothing things over on the behalf of a demonstrably incompetent businessman, if not an outright thief.

No. In fact i hate the position im pushed in at the moment. I take the shitstorm that ukyo should take. And only because i believe him for the moment, judging from the chats i did with him and project he showed me. Because i think thats the only chance to get the original coins back. I explained above in this post why i think so.

Anyway... i dont know whats the truth at the end. I only see the options. And sueing doesnt have a chance for succeed in my eyes anyway. At least not when sueing with the intend of getting the coins back. But who knows. I might be wrong.
4620  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: July 29, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
Is there any evidence that he still has the IPOCoins? I fear he only is an inept businessman and burned all the coins this way. When standing before court he would claim that it only didnt work out the way he wanted but that he had all the best intents.

But then you also think that Ukyo Jon is trying to give you back your coin.  I'd like to believe you're a hopeless romantic, but Occam's razor insists you're (at best) a buffoon.

Because coins that are taken away and might be retrievable are different than coins that are spent to various companies for creating an ASIC? And you think im delusional? I wonder where you see coins can be retrieved from ActiveMining. Did you take the amount of worth into account the IPO-Coins should be worth now? And what about the damage done by trading shares for those that dont own shares now anymore?

Anyway. Delight me with where you think the coins can come from. I sold long ago when i realized that ken is driving this to the wall. I would like to sue him just for not allowing me to trade my shares so that i had to stay and look how they drop in value. But i dont await to see something back from the coins i lost trading since im pretty sure they are spent somewhere unretrieveable. Business went wrong... sorry. And you wont be able to prove any scam happening besides unregistered shares. The actual business doesnt look like its some labcoin copy. But let me know if you know more. I would be happy to get my lost coins back.

Your trustrating took a hefty hit it seems?
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