I checked the first post but its not really informing. I see the list of donators, ok but no list of accepted NPOs.
And did only 4 NPOs currently receive donations? 100BTC each? Why such a high threshold? Its $63000 each. I wonder if it needs to be such a high threshold.
So wheres the list of accepted NPOs that will receive donations in the future?
More current info can be found at http://bitcoin100.orgThanks... so its really a huge list of NPOs that most probably never will get a donation because for some reason the donation has to be that high. I think more good could be done with many smaller donations but thats not up to me. I would have asked if a political movement trying to fight lobbying, which in most cases lead to people living a worse life, matches the list criteria but when i see the amount of NPOs in the queue it looks like it doesnt matter anyway.  |
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I checked the first post but its not really informing. I see the list of donators, ok but no list of accepted NPOs.
And did only 4 NPOs currently receive donations? 100BTC each? Why such a high threshold? Its $63000 each. I wonder if it needs to be such a high threshold.
So wheres the list of accepted NPOs that will receive donations in the future?
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I contacted him about this and he told me that he told me he plans to answer all PM's in the next days.
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So his new project is probably going to try to launder the money that he stole, so he can use it somewhere.
This is how almost every scammer has worked in the past, steal money, become legit using the capital and launder. See coinjar, yifu etc.
It is how people got rich during things like Gold Rush, US alcohol prohibition, and now Bitcoin.
At least the project i have seen doesnt need money to be created. |
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thx for contacting him. This restores a little fait. But I really think he should come to this topic and communicate. He will always have strong reactions, but he should at least try to communicate and tell people he is working on things.
Anyway, I hope I can see my 0.4 BTC back. (it is still >1% of my bitcoinstash)
I believe he doesnt post because he knows that posting brings on a shitstorm regardless of what he posts. I knew i will create at least a small one too but i thought its better to tell what i know so far since knowing nothing isnt cool. Anyway... i guess when he presents one of his projects... or at least when he is able to pay back a bit more because of the projects, he will post in the forums again. |
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Glad people are still bumping this thread, but wish new members would read the first pages too--both for historical perspective and hearty, guileless luls. Everyone simply must be patient.
Ukyo had promised an announcement early this week, but was unable to get all i's dotted and t's crossed in time. So, Danny has provided the update that Neo will be part of the solution.
The full details will all be announced officially, and to shareholders first, when ready.
Please be careful speculating on any aspects that haven't been announced.
 Please dont forget that Danny helped with the wallet problem crashing. The actual problem is a different problem. And as far as i remember updates on that crashing problem were given. |
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Hi Sebastian, Thanks for reaching out to him. It sounded like
Ukyo has eluded to circumstances that have not happened many times. He still won't tell us what happened to the coins. He promised dozens of times to provide information, "good news," and updates. Each time, he later says he can't talk by eluding to works in progress, gag orders, NDAs, legal action, and/or bitcoin problems. And a little later, he denies whatever was implied. So, where are the coins? What's the "big news?" And, since all of this, he offered to liquidate BTCINVEST assets for the BTCINVESTors. Did he just decide to keep all of the proceeds from liquidation? Added: After reading about them, it sounds to me like Ukyo (and TF) followed the "six definite steps or stages of growth in every finely balanced and well-conceived confidence game" almost to the letter. If he wants us to believe otherwise, he just needs to deviate from the con man's playbook by telling us what happened. What's really impressive is how he strung us along, with news announcements about upcoming news and by giving us a little money back (all in the playbook), and learning from /us/ what story would be the most believable. At first, he said bitcond problems, but then he kept his mouth shut and had us come up with our own story (bitcoin malleability + lawsuits to get it back from the person who took them.) But, if he tells us, then we'd require proof (which he could give), so he just keeps his mouth shut. I dont remember that he promised to speak about what happened. And obviously speaking about wouldnt be good now. Only my impression so far of course... of course you might pressure this so hard that you get to know the truth. But when this means the chance to recover dies with this info then i think its not worth the info. You dont need to believe me but i dont think hes a con man. I know he works on projects and i dont have a reason to believe he doesnt work on weex too. I dont know about BTCINVEST. I only know that once someone posted a list of shares ukyo should own. Though at the end the shares pretty much all were useless. The only worthwhile shares were ActM... which Ken stole practically. I still think that wasnt correct since he took shares privately owned by ukyo and traded them against a debt the company weex had against him. Its like taking 500 IPhones from the next Applestore because Apples CEO owes me money. Its not related... though thats Bitcoin... unregulated everywhere. At the end ken draw those coins down with ActM too. Whatever... it doesnt matter what you or iam think. Sueing him for ukyo loan is worthless when you see the size of the loan. His private riches cant possible back this up. The same goes for weex and you dont even know there if the problem is taken by the company or by him privately. So that weex goes bankrupt and thats it. Debts dying with the company. Regardless of the outcome of a lawsuit there wouldnt be enough money to pay things back. So i chose to believe him for now. Partly because i dont have a chance otherwise and partly because i can write with him and get a feeling about what is going on. I could have sued him but when i see it as a business decision i bet on ukyo being honest since chances there are simply better. The last two paragraphs match to your post too. It doesnt matter if i believe ukyo, if you believe ukyo or if you believe me. It simply doesnt matter. If there would be a chance in sueing i would have done months ago. |
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I thought about and i guess i should mention that i wrote with ukyo on first july. It was a rather long conversation because i wanted to know whats going on.
Weex: I asked him if i can help, work or coins. He said he put all things in motion that can be done at the moment already. It sounded like things move slowly to a result. Whatever that is.
Ukyo Loan: He is working on a number of projects. He presented me one of the projects including the website, he explained the details and inner working regarding safety and i think its a nice little thing that will get his customers. I didnt ask for the other bigger projects.
I wont go into details since i once promised him not to reveal the things he tells me and i will honor that. I only write this to let you know that he work on things and that he didnt vanish. But i dont know when he will present the projects and how.
Payback: The projects he works on are meant for paying back ukyo loan. I wrote already that things for getting weex funds back are already put in motion. In the case that weex funds really cant come back he will pay weex users coins back with the projects profits.
I hope this helps a bit. If you want to speak him yourself try it on IRC. It might take some days but it works.
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Scam after Scam, I would like just one bitcoin company to produce something good, and kick off on this front
There are plenty of good Bitcoin companies. Im always in search for such opportunities. Tips? |
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I've been using 1.9.8 (not a portable version) on a Tails USB key. You can funnel it through Tor nodes, but it requires for some kind souls to keep an Electrum server up on a Tor node. Unfortunately the .onion/Electrum servers seem to be infrequent.
If you use the -1 switch, it keeps it from trying other servers.
I consider this to be very secure. You could be on the most infected computer in the world, and it can't touch this. A hardware keylogger would be the only possible way to lose your passwords, and Tails has several virtual keyboards or Keepass that will defeat that.
Malware could replace the electrum.exe with one that reveals everything. I suggest not to be uncautious. Why do you need to use onion servers? By using tor you still can use all normal servers. Or do you want to have a server whose location is unknown to authorities? |
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The good explaination would be he sells the last miners to customers. Fast money. Though i guess the luck this project has isnt anywhere that high. |
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Once Cannabit pays out divs regularly the only thing needed would be a decentralized exchange to take away the risk of normal exchanges. Is there still nothing available that works fine?
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You should read the context. Danny lost coins in weex which led to the bankruptcy of neobee.
Where did you get that idea? Have you checked Danny's curriculum in the UK? As far as i remember NEOBEE went down because they didnt have money anymore. They lost coins in weex and mtgox and danny claimed he already put all his own coins in NEOBEE too. So at the end it looks to me that the coins lost in weex are a reason for NEOBEE going down too. Neo & Bee went down when their CEO ran away after they failed to get Central Bank authorization for their bank, and he realized that his castle of cards was about to collapse. He allegedly took the remaining company's coins (and, according to police charges, money that he got from other people in exchange for bitcoins that he did not deliver), leaving behind debts and unpaid salaries. Only then did investors bother to read the Neo & Bee prospectus and noticed that it did not contain a viable business plan. Only then did investors bother to check Danny's background, and found that he had no background in finance at all, and he ad pulled a similar stunt in the UK before moving to Cyprus. He had announced he was going to organize a big music festival in Lincolnshire, sold tickets, got advance license money from food vendors, etc; but then cancelled the event, and said that the debts were not made by his person but by his company, that he had sold, so he owed nothing. AFAIK he is still hiding, somewhere in the world. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg6500610#msg6500610Didnt know that... its really a pain how most of these entrepreneurs turn out to be at the end. I wonder if this changes one time... |
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You should read the context. Danny lost coins in weex which led to the bankruptcy of neobee.
Where did you get that idea? Have you checked Danny's curriculum in the UK? As far as i remember NEOBEE went down because they didnt have money anymore. They lost coins in weex and mtgox and danny claimed he already put all his own coins in NEOBEE too. So at the end it looks to me that the coins lost in weex are a reason for NEOBEE going down too. |
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Especially when legal things are involved its quite understandable that ukyo cant speak...
Bullshit. Right... you would be one of the smart guys that talk to the police before your lawyer checked what you could say. Its not known what happened to weex. Not even Danny knew what happened exactly. "Can't speak" and "won't speak" are two decidedly different concepts. The notion that he can't speak is laughable. We know he won't speak. Most likely reason for "won't speak" is guilt. Won't speak can be the following of can't speak too. Depending on what happened really "won't speak" might mean that its the better choice to have the chance to get the coins back. Though its not justifyable as long as no one knows anything. I didnt reach him the last days but still trying. |
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@SebastianJu: You can't be serious? Are you keeping in touch with Danny, too? How is it that you still aren't living in the street, Sebastian?
Mammoth trust fund?
Why should i ask if he ran when i would be in contact with Danny? I didnt lose coins with Danny so i dont need to speak with him. ^Besides, Danny Brewster vouched for him, and Danny's word is good enough for me.
*Just for lulz, what would you consider proof?
Proof is proof. Believe is believe. Especially when legal things are involved its quite understandable that ukyo cant speak... look at ken slaughter. He doesnt speak anymore now. (Not that he was a good speaker before...  ) Not following your logic. Ken Slaughter is not speaking now and never spoke more than he had to because he was/is scamming. Now you have the legal opinion of MSD as supplemental "evidence." That said, I refuse to believe he's as stupid and verbally inept as he appears to be. He managed to bilk this "community" for millions. That requires some intelligence, though granted, not much. Youre right. It should have been a warning how ken slaughter handled informations. Though he blocked trading for a long time. I think he was simply incompetent and that he cant be charged for running a scam. Only for running an unregistered security. ^
What judge?
The rigor of proof in tort cases is not "beyond a reasonable doubt," you are thinking criminal law.
As far as being found guilty?
Jon has run an unlicensed securities exchange selling unregistered securities to American persons. From American soil.
He ran an unlicensed and unregistered money services operation. From American soil.
He circumvented every KYC/money laundering regulation on the books while running both.
I'm pretty sure his taxes are a mess.
This is just off the top of my head, you want more?
Right... he might be sued for it. But stealing coins is a different matter you cant proof. Especially when legal things are involved its quite understandable that ukyo cant speak...
Bullshit. Right... you would be one of the smart guys that talk to the police before your lawyer checked what you could say. Its not known what happened to weex. Not even Danny knew what happened exactly. and of course lost coins in weex and maybe other places.
You don't quite yet understand. Weex was another of ukyo's sham businesses. You should read the context. Danny lost coins in weex which led to the bankruptcy of neobee. |
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Could you add an image based password?
What is that? Using an image file. But i think its risky. The system would know files you often use. If you have a hybrid disc its even easier. |
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^Besides, Danny Brewster vouched for him, and Danny's word is good enough for me.
WAS good enough. Then Danny ran off as well... Did he run now? I thought they only did invest wrongly... and of course lost coins in weex and maybe other places. |
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^Besides, Danny Brewster vouched for him, and Danny's word is good enough for me.
*Just for lulz, what would you consider proof?
Proof is proof. Believe is believe. Especially when legal things are involved its quite understandable that ukyo cant speak... look at ken slaughter. He doesnt speak anymore now. (Not that he was a good speaker before... ) |
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