@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.
Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.
He's losing it and has been for several months. He has no faith and really never has. I don't know why any serious investor would think any differently faith wise about Doogcoin even if there was a huge BTC wall because the dig pressure is gone, but the stakes will still eat it over time. I told you folks that the vote meant nothing... Doog didn't see the numbers turn out for him and his expensive stash, so he thinks he can remake it with something totally new to avoid the vote and fill his greed boat back up in BTC. Reasonable disgusting and sad, but o well. If that's what he wants to do then so be it. None of my business. I just don't believe in belongs in this thread. Doogs like:  |
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Issues concerning Just-Dice, JD rain bots, JD trivia bots, etc. should be taken to the Just-Dice thread. Issues concerning ClamChecker should be taken to the ClamChecker thread. Also, a bit of respect in the thread here, please. Thanks!  They aren't discussing as a CLAM service. They are discussing Doogcoin and that shit needs its own thread IMO. |
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It has been suggested on the Just-Dice chat that I shouldn't even be talking about this stuff, because it is causing the price of CLAM to drop.  You don't say...  |
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Perhaps ok or still not ok to post?
Maybe change sensor to censor. Ops  thanks. |
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I have 1500 Clams and bought them at 0.008 BTC, when do you think the price baking to the price ?
Gamble on JD or take your losses and count your blessing in my opinion. AD HOMINEM ATTACK DELETED Be sure to vote on what your thoughts are to the Community Clamcoin account "SuperCLAM": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1212422.msg12721665#msg12721665"I don't care it is just a shitcoin" is currently in the lead with 12 votes. (thanks assholes  ) (another one of my post deleted... makes 3 tonight) Sensory me bb I luvs it. Want to respond to my post about you keeping the altcoin shit out of here with your mighty CLAM CEO hammer? Perhaps you could type a list of rules for us sheeple to follow? Also, be sure it's all in Latin so we all understand it please. |
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Personal attacks have no place here.
Neither does altcoin chat that has nothing to do with CLAM. If that "xxxxcoin" shit didn't come up here then uvwvj wouldn't have posted that here. Perhaps doing the base rules for everyone would prevent the bullshit. |
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Please remember to vote on if you think the SuperClam community account should have elections to see who controls it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1212422.msg12721665#msg12721665Right now the majority says yes... which I happen to agree with. Because it does seem like a public community position. I doubt voting means much to "these" folks unless they agree with what's being voted on & if the vote goes how "they" like. But still... VOTE! I agree with BAC. Present account holders are totalitarian, arbitrary, disrespectful, smug. New account holders needed - someone level-headed, mature, stable, rational. I nominate BAC and Hippie Tech. har har. I respectfully decline your nomination. |
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Please remember to vote on if you think the SuperClam community account should have elections to see who controls it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1212422.msg12721665#msg12721665Right now the majority says yes... which I happen to agree with. Because it does seem like a public community position. I doubt voting means much to "these" folks unless they agree with what's being voted on & if the vote goes how "they" like. But still... VOTE! |
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It doesn't really matter what the result of the vote is since the ownership of forum accounts isn't decided by voting.
Control of a "community" account should be subject to vote. Seems like a public position sort of and if the majority don't want that person to have the power... then they shouldn't. |
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I can do $100 right now via paypal.
Bac can stand for my paypal transactions i've done with him.
I've never accepted Paypal from you I don't believe. I generally only do my PP for peoples BTC. Only once or twice have I traded the other way for snail refunds and I use Bitcointalk folk. My bad if I'm forgetting. |
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I like the camp C option, just needs a different name. Doog is to close to Doge.  Would the rest of the coins parameters stay the same. like block times, staking rates etc... I think this conversation should take place in it's own thread perhaps if that idea wants to grow. |
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So we have two main camps here. Exaggerating the positions, we have:
Camp A: wants to leave everything how it is so it's fair for future diggers. It's not OK to cancel their free CLAMs. The stakeholders knew massive digging was a risk and accepted it. They hoped it wouldn't happen but it did. Suck it up.
Camp B: bought into CLAM and saw the price drop. To fix this, let's ban digging. Then the price can recover and we can all get rich.
Sure there are shades of grey between these extremes, involving halvenings and such like, but let's ignore those for now.
You're proposing a third camp:
Camp C: It's not fair to change the CLAM rules, but it's OK to make a new coin, let's call it doogcoin. We use a variant of the CLAM distribution method: everyone who held non-distribution CLAM outputs at lunchtime yesterday can use their CLAM private key to claim their doogcoins. Just-Dice stops using CLAM and starts using doogcoin. The CLAM rules are unchanged, everyone can keep digging their CLAM, so everyone's happy, right?
All three correct I'd say. [...]
I'm not sure whether the "fuck you, don't answer my posts" I prefer it the "Don't use energy answering my posts, fuck you" clause and I was trying to keep my nasty attitude off the public forums as requested by Creative. That's why I pm'ed it. Tbh I'd prefer for the clause to stay in effect, but really I can get the fuck over it because it's the internet and if you don't let one river flow, 10 other things branch off it. I need to not be cranky. I'm working on it. I see it as you described in Camp B. |
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Microsoft
http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/11/microsoft-bitcoin-currency-banks/Apple https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/apple-reverses-anti-bitcoin-app-policy-allows-mobile-wallets-back-apple-store/BoA
http://qz.com/507524/bank-of-america-just-filed-a-patent-that-would-let-you-send-money-using-bitcoin/A piece from the BAC patent: "For example, the payment system using the account may function to pay tolls in dollars to a toll collecting authority, but to pay a gameplay authority in a non-dollar denominated medium of exchange, for example digital currency (such as Bitcoin (BTC), Litecoin (LTC), Feathercoin (FTC), Terracoin (TRC), Namecoin (NMC), Novacoin (NVC), or similar), gold, e-gold, digital credits, frequent flier miles, loyalty points, or similar stores of value. For example, the Washington Metropolitan Airports Authority may operate a payment system on the Dulles Toll Road in Northern Virginia in conjunction with an American Airlines promotion, wherein frequent flier miles are able to be deducted from an account and awarded to others in a contest, game, lottery or sweepstakes. In an embodiment, an account holder may elect to donate 100 frequent flier miles back American Airlines on each toll payment, where American Airlines may elect to use the aggregated miles to conduct a sweepstakes."Full Patent: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=7&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=bitcoin&OS=bitcoin&RS=bitcoinI'm sure CLAM could have been there, but the left the door open anyways. |
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If your trying to say Microsoft, Apple or BoA would get involved with Clams. Any "BIG" company that wanted to get involved with crypto-currencies, would simply create their own.
How do you know? |
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Funds delivered. Thanks for the easy trade. |
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I think he wears shorts... You're most likely correct . But, you need some kind of incentive to keep the clams network moving. If you removed stakes, no one would keep a wallet open, and transactions would stop.
People run Bitcoin wallets, LTC and ect ect. JD most likely isn't going to turn the wallets off and I'm reasonably sure other people would continue to run a wallet if they were a part of that ecosystem. I think andulolika was trying to say, right now the supply is around 1,000,000 clams. and we're staking 525,600 per year, so roughly a 50% increase. In a few years when the supply is 5,000,000 clams, the 500K stakes are only a 10% increase.
Well of course the % will go down on massively inflated stuff with just a tiny dash of time, but CLAM can't write checks its ass can't cash forever... "There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoins, so they are special"x- "There is only so much silver/gold/ect in the ground that can be reached economically" so on and so forth. With CLAM it's like "Ya basically one magic internet bean comes into the economy for nothing every minute... wana invest?" So I'm not sure decreasing the stake reward would be a good option. As it stands now, the stake reward value will decrease as the supply increases.
December of last year the digs increased and the stake rewards value increased as well. We could have that 100 fold if a real service ever started diddling with CLAM (Microsoft, Apple, Bank of America ect.) If you were doing it all over again, you might tie the stake reward to the total coin supply. If you wanted a 10% inflation rate, you could make the stake (total supply * .1) / 525.6K
If you used that for the current clams supply, it would give a stake of .19 clams.
Why couldn't that be done none with consensus now? |
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After a day of thinking and spending the afternoon in the William J. Clinton Presidential Center I think I have an idea that will make everyone equally unhappy that will be the best for CLAM.
Perhaps we could do a halfing for both the digs and the stakes at the same % for each with both of them ending eventually in x years (?)
Y'alls big concerns are digs until the digs stop (end in sight) - Addressed
My big concerns are never ending staking (no end in sight) (reference my Dogecoin freak out if you so wish) - Addressed
How do people on both sides of the fence feel about that?
The stake problem is just a problem for as long as there is such small supply 1 clam per minute is 1 clam per minute regardless of the outstanding shares of CLAM. You mean that if you split it in theorerically 1.100.000 chunks is the same as if you split it in 15.000.000 chunks? Edit: if it makes the supply bigger and lower the price, with the buyins would be a stable price, so why not? You want to leave clam with nothing? Do you take your lunch to work or ride the bus? |
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I have Paypal funds again.
Please just shoot me a PM and I can get you squared away.
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Now this is how you blackmail . Changed it over to a neutral because honestly I lack the proper evidence, but if I get even the slightest piece of evidence like I'll switch it back red. Would appreciate if you'd take your red off me as well. (Please note that I give no fucks about trolling me or blackmail. I just try to do what is right feedback wise because I know my shit hit's a bit hard on red  .) Back to the topic on hand: Still looking to buy BTC, LTC and DOGE addresses that were in use on May 12, 2014  . |
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yes but we both know that aint gonna last forever
How do you know? |
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