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4761  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 08:59:04 PM
BIBLE_PAY

hi,can i ask... my friend mining on pool with nick:majko miner:marko and his total balance is still 0 and immature balance falling without coins in total balance
can you help .... he started mine 4 days before  Undecided


thanks

He has no work in the work table.  You should go over his house and find out if you can get him in the leaderboard.

he is in leaderboard  majko!!! and mined 0 BBP for 4 days ... his total balance is 0   ... 54shares=block distribution=his name is in list.... for 4 days nothing in total balance?  ... bug is on your side with pool...please,where is mistake




where the coins disappear???

Oh OK, sorry about that, whatever I looked at this morning didnt match whatever I was reading.  OK I see him.


Alright, the problem is I pushed an update a couple days ago designed to allow better pool maintenance and it broke the ability for new users to actually get paid.

Luckily, I have a detailed report of everyone who was affected and what their balances actually should be.


The following users were affected and now have been corrected:



username   balancemain
FullAruba   9882.8179
biblepayer2   338.111
majko   3790.8321
carwash   199.8067
omnimanx1   4.2461
Gameron   93.7749
altf42001   1160.2953
marianP   215.7222



Sorry for the inconvenience.  Let me know if the balances do not accrue correctly going forward now.


4762  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 01:35:18 PM
Hi, Rob. I have 3.5 m BBP , with this amount how much BBP i can earn with masternodes. I can buy 3 i think. I believe this project before the begining as you know.Good Luck.
Can someone help GeniusX?

Here is the ROI sim I posted yesterday:


http://pool.biblepay.org/docs/roi.htm

4763  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 01:20:48 PM
BIBLE_PAY

hi,can i ask... my friend mining on pool with nick:majko miner:marko and his total balance is still 0 and immature balance falling without coins in total balance
can you help .... he started mine 4 days before  Undecided


thanks

He has no work in the work table.  You should go over his house and find out if you can get him in the leaderboard.
4764  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 01:17:45 PM
Does the team have experience in this sphere?

Yes, lead dev has founded a successful cryptocurrency project and maintains it with 5 devs currently.



4765  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 01:13:31 PM
And what is the problem this coin wil solve placing it on blockchain.

None. If donating to orphans is the 'killer feature' of biblepay, you can recreate it with a branded Dash wallet. Because under the hood that is what powers biblepay.

 No need to even create your own coin, code base, master nodes, miner network or anything. Just use the same Dash blockchain, the same dash token, and add a send to orphan fund button in the software.

No need for a special 'biblepay' currency. not limited to 1 exchange. and a user base of 900+ miners who dont really use the token but just mine it to sell it. And you keep using Dash currency that is worth $300 not 0.00009. No specialized stores to buy amazon affiliate goods. Traded dash for btc at any major exchange and do what you want. and Dash continues its development with a huge developer base so the code base is more advanced and maintained and open to scrutiny

When you pay someone the software asks you if you want to donate a percentage to the charity of the month. Then it takes your balance, splits a payment to the intended address and the orphan address. Its exactly the same way it works today when you are in a grocery store and it asks you if you want to donate to the 'children's' fund before giving you your final tally.

Thats literally all it takes to implement a feature that donates to an orphan fund.


I was being rude to the Satoshi guy and that situation made a bit sad. Here it goes again. I was not aware that Dash was about Christianity. Did I miss a meeting or you missed a major point about Biblepay?
If I wanted to use Dash, I would be using it. I just need a credit card with enough limit. I support Biblepay developer with everything I can because he is a brother to me in Christ.

There were a few handful of Christians in the beginning. Most of them tortured and killed where I live now and still I face daily threats and insults which noone should face. Do I just leave my belief to stop others to threaten me? I do not think it is even possible.
0.0009  - 0.00014 might help this community to gather people who really want to involve and support the project from bottom of their heart.

We need more developers like Rob, we do not need huge developer base. we are simple and want to help orphans. Did this coin have the target of reaching 100$ value and couldnt manage that?


300$ dash or 7000$ bitcoin and all the talk around it really does not touch me. We are not trying to get rich here. I hope you understand.



Thank you Ferohers!  Lets remember our roots.  And I'm sorry to hear about the Christian oppression in your part of the world.  

Let's think about that, all of us who live in our glass houses in the US, if you want to serve Christ and KNOW him, you need to be comfortable living outside and helping your Christian brothers and sisters.  Prepare for the Tribulation and thank God every day while we still have the internet.



4766  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 02:01:21 AM
Is there anywhere we can see the difficulty as a function of time?
I have a theory...


Unfortunately its possible but a little convoluted.  There is bitnet, utils, rpc commands, manual commands.
The manual way to do it is "showblock 2000, showblock 2001, showblock 2002"etc.

Happy merchant wrote a script for this that will create a report for you:

https://github.com/happy-merchant/biblepay_rpc


Let me know if you need something specific and I can add a report to the rpc for you in the next version.

4767  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 10, 2017, 01:56:58 AM
There is a really neat feature here on SMF called "ignore".  I clicked Ignore underneath Coinpimps name.  Just click it and you will never see one of pimps posts again!

I clicked it.  Go ahead coinpimp, spam as much as you want now.


4768  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 10:21:52 PM
Dev when is Light-deliver coin mixing being implement?on a serious be aware.I am all for contributions and assisting others so I'll be viewing this, interesting task.

We have InstantSend and Coin Mixing set to be turned on at Christmas at the same time Sanctuaries go live.
Hey that brings up a point guys, can we please test these two features now in TestNet?  They should be available for you right now.

On a side note, colored coins are working in Alphanet (thats my private unit test network).  I can send retirement coins back and forth and trade with myself and my market maker node.  The code should be released in 2 days for testing.


Could we have a few testers jump into testnet and also test f8000?  Since we are preventing the gains from running multiple instances in f8000, I think its important to get f8000 tested now up-front so we can avoid that at Christmas.  

http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=16.165

So while waiting for my colored coin patch to be checked in, please test f8000 and coin mixing and instant send.
There are a lot of sanctuaries that need rebooted in testnet also.
4769  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 10:19:16 PM
Great job guys, New all time high Difficulty:



{
  "blocks": 15991,
  "currentblocksize": 1000,
  "currentblocktx": 0,
  "difficulty": 42330.15079537166,

}

We must be getting more popular.  The external node connections are pegged.




Hi Rob, keep up the good work!

As a relative newbie, could you please explain to me what high difficulty means?
Am I correct in saying this means the block reward is smaller?

What other implications does it have?

Thanks

In most of the cryptoworld the diff is a number measuring how high the bar is set to achieve the next (biblehash) solution.  The higher the bar, the higher the solution hash must be to exceed it, IE the more nodes that would be required to solve the upcoming block.  This is done to regulate the block timing to be 7 minutes for us.

We go one step further and also lower the block reward during high diff periods.  Our minimum block reward is 5k however, so it is now pegged at the minimum during this time period. 

(For the highly technical, note that in the bibleminer hashoutput, everything is actually reversed and during high diff the bar is *lowered* and a lower hash is required, but I wanted to keep the analogy simple above).



Thanks Rob. So I guess that means that most blocks will be ~5000 reward from now on?
Thanks

No the reward floats with the diff level.  There will be times of high diff and low subsidy and then times when the miners point hashpower away- then lower diff and high subsidy.  Also, f8000 coming at Christmas has a lower HPS hence a lower diff, so the reward might temporarily jump a little higher but I think it will be short lived as we are getting popular.

nSubsidyBase = (20000 / (pow((dDiff+1.0),2.0))) + 1;
 

4770  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
Great job guys, New all time high Difficulty:



{
  "blocks": 15991,
  "currentblocksize": 1000,
  "currentblocktx": 0,
  "difficulty": 42330.15079537166,

}

We must be getting more popular.  The external node connections are pegged.




Hi Rob, keep up the good work!

As a relative newbie, could you please explain to me what high difficulty means?
Am I correct in saying this means the block reward is smaller?

What other implications does it have?

Thanks

In most of the cryptoworld the diff is a number measuring how high the bar is set to achieve the next (biblehash) solution.  The higher the bar, the higher the solution hash must be to exceed it, IE the more nodes that would be required to solve the upcoming block.  This is done to regulate the block timing to be 7 minutes for us.

We go one step further and also lower the block reward during high diff periods.  Our minimum block reward is 5k however, so it is now pegged at the minimum during this time period. 

(For the highly technical, note that in the bibleminer hashoutput, everything is actually reversed and during high diff the bar is *lowered* and a lower hash is required, but I wanted to keep the analogy simple above).

4771  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Dev when is Light-deliver coin mixing being implement?on a serious be aware.I am all for contributions and assisting others so I'll be viewing this, interesting task.

We have InstantSend and Coin Mixing set to be turned on at Christmas at the same time Sanctuaries go live.
Hey that brings up a point guys, can we please test these two features now in TestNet?  They should be available for you right now.

On a side note, colored coins are working in Alphanet (thats my private unit test network).  I can send retirement coins back and forth and trade with myself and my market maker node.  The code should be released in 2 days for testing.



4772  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
Great job guys, New all time high Difficulty:


15:00:52

getmininginfo


15:00:52

{
  "blocks": 15991,
  "currentblocksize": 1000,
  "currentblocktx": 0,
  "difficulty": 42330.15079537166,
  "errors": "",
  "genproclimit": 7,
  "networkhashps": 1930309953694.515,
  "hashps": 8564.60937279001,
  "minerstarttime": "10-16-2017 15:47:51",
  "pooledtx": 0,
  "testnet": false,
  "chain": "main",
  "biblepay-generate": true,
  "poolinfo1": "B6jtJfhZzbqiNUXfoQ2LdHVjWVtrHSELMS; B6jtJfhZzbqiNUXfoQ2LdHVjWVtrHSELMS; B6jtJfhZzbqiNUXfoQ2LdHVjWVtrHSELMS; B6jtJfhZzbqiNUXfoQ2LdHVjWVtrHSELMS; B6jtJfhZzbqiNUXfoQ2LdHVjWVtrHSELMS; B6jtJfhZzbqiNUXfoQ2LdHVjWVtrHSELMS; ",
  "poolinfo2": "RMC_11-09-2017 21:00:32; RMC_11-09-2017 20:57:12; RM_11-09-2017 20:57:40; RM_11-09-2017 20:59:50; RMC_11-09-2017 20:55:21; RM_11-09-2017 20:57:01; ",
  "poolinfo3": "CFW 11-09-2017 20:57:20; CFW 11-09-2017 20:57:11; CFW 11-09-2017 20:59:48; CFW 11-09-2017 20:55:20; ",
  "miningpulse": 546888,
  "poolmining": true
}

We must be getting more popular.  The external node connections are pegged.


4773  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Investor Prospectus?

Rob or anyone know of a something like an investor prospectus for this masternode being proposed for potential investors? You know something one can read over that that has risks involved, ROI, contact information, etc? If i were an investor then I could make a wiser investment decision if I understood exactly whats being proposed right?

I think i heard mention of '401k' type schemes. It sounds interesting but its very hard to discern whats going on without it all in one document signed by the organization. I just find statements here and there on this forum thread. Retirement accounts are people's nest eggs after all. Maybe a phone number to talk to someone?

Maybe I could find it on the biblepay.org website? or the accountability page at the pool? That way the public at large can find it and research its merits. I might even have a friend who can go in on it. But they are not going to read this entire thread and fish out the claims and risks right?

Or will this be an announcement with a biblepay or btc address and everyone is to send their money in? That sounds pretty sketchy to me.  Huh

This may help get you started if such a thing doesnt exist yet.

https://www.prospectus.com/private-placement-memorandum-services-information/how-to-write-a-prospectus/

An investor prospectus would have a very high bar, would need a review by an investment lawyer (very pricey) and might need oversight by the SEC.  One reason why ICO's are now all overseas (with I think one exception thus far), is an ICO is being handled like an IPO with oversight from the SEC.  While this coin is NOT AN ICO (sorry, lots of people miss that) and I mean no disrespect to the Dev or all those involved with it, this coin should not be seen as an investment.  

The road map does hope to see gains made in value, features added (like Debit Card and 401K integration) but seeing as how BTC is just now getting moving on an ETF, it's too early to really expect such a high bar from this or almost any coin short of the main four or five (BTC, ETH, XRP, maybe LTC, XMR, ZEC, NEO or NEM).  At the point where BBP is in the top whatever and actually able to reasonably look at integration with 401K or even Debit cards, then that is a far more realistic time to talk about prospectus.  Consider for a moment, that even XRP, which is backed by the financial industry does not have a prospectus.  So if a coin with a $8B valuation cannot do that, I would think it very unrealistic to expect a $170K coin to out do them.

Funny thing is that 'Rob' calls it an investment and mentions protecting investors in numerous posts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042657.msg24191771#msg24191771

"I don't want to cause a division, and I welcome the community input.  What everyone has to understand is I have a responsibility to also protect the investor also, so things that make it to prod are hard to change."

I mean revisionism/double speak is always a defensive tactic but come on guys, the masternode is clearly an investment.

As for the other points saying that others are doing it so can we. I disagree. If you want to associate the project with the Bible and call it a currency for 'Christians' you are going to be held to a very high standard of integrity and transparency

You and 'Rob' share similar writing styles. Two accounts? Or maybe you are an ardent team member.
see Step 11 above

(oh and thanks, i will revise the list to include 'never ever pretend the coin is an investment". Rob did though so lessons learnt.

"He who has ears let him here... You will know them by their fruit"





All, lets use our high group intelligence and not Feed the Troll. 



4774  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Has anyone done a ROI on the sanctuaries?
With the price going up to 1.5M I am trying to work out how much I can put towards this before it becomes unrealistic.
I will continue to mine BBP either way, just may abandon the idea of a sanctuary.

I have a spreadsheet where I calculate this for MN coins.  Obviously the return depends on the number of transactions and number of masternodes (and any decrease below the 12,313 BBP block reward that I am calculating it on, in addition to any price changes).

Based on 1.5M BBP and assuming both enough transactions for blocks to be generated according to the 7 minute maximum and that the price remains the same as you pay for the BBP on the exchange (I'm ignoring mined coins used for Sanctuaries), I calculate:

At 10 MNs, an ROI of 59 days (~616% Annual ROI).
At 25 MNs, an ROI of 148 days (~246% Annual ROI).
At 50 MNs, an ROI of 296 days (~123% Annual ROI).
At 100 MNs, an ROI of 592 days (~61% Annual ROI).


Thanks for that! Yes I guess all models are dependent on their assumptions.
I wonder how many MNs we will have. I guess with the 1.5M figure, possibly not so many.

Thanks again for taking the time to answer


I wrote this simulation predicting the outcome of our Sanctuary ecosystem metric values, to give you all a better idea of what the ROI will be if you run a sanctuary, and to give us as a community a very good approximation to how many Sanctuaries will exist approximately one year after this Christmas:

http://pool.biblepay.org/docs/roi.htm

This simulation shows that neither the investment cost of the sanctuary nor the BBP market price affects the Node Count.  The only factor that changes the ecosystem is the participating node count itself.  That count is driven by the individuals average ROI appetite.

This means that regardless of the BTC Price, the BBP market price, the sanctuary escrow cost, we will end up with between 100 and 800 sanctuaries, due to the fact that the risk appetite of the individual sanctuary owner will either be : Yes, I will wait 12 months for my BiblePay ROI (giving us 100 sanctuaries), or Yes, I will wait 8 years for my BiblePay ROI (giving us 800 sanctuaries).  Note that even if our price was up 1000%, and sanctuaries costed $67,000 each, this would remain true (see simulation).  This means that the highest liklihood is a risk appetite of ~2 years, and a resulting sanctuary node count of 200.

Note that it is a fallacy to believe "whales" will not come in and pay top dollar for sanctuaries.  The capital markets are broad.  If the ROI is consistent, even if our sanctuary costed $275,000 each, this spreadsheet would remain true-- except it would take longer for the node count to rise, and would not be fair for the smallest investors.  Thats why I think $1200 will still be a good number to go with on Thanksgiving.



4775  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 04:01:34 AM
Venezuela:
"
Already, its 32 million citizens are suffering shortages of food, medicine and other essentials as their money, the bolivar, is decimated by hyperinflation and recession reigns. Hundreds of thousands have left the country to survive, and many, many more could follow.
"

Here is a real world use for Biblepay.  If Venezuela would buy BBP monthly and then buy food with BBP, they would have a more stable currency than they have now (IE 19% Deflation instead of 7000% inflation).

4776  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 03:46:40 AM
This coin is buried somewhere around the 500 rank.  Most people who are going to Prestonwood, Stonebrier or much smaller churches have no idea about this coin and its mandate.  They aren't spending their evenings scanning coinmarketcap looking for a charity coin.

Do you have any marketing ideas?

An acquaintance posted about BiblePay on a few Christian Facebook groups but they werent interested.

Even a lot of really smart people (even a lot I know personally) think Cryptocurrencies are a ponzi scheme still.

===

I really like this coin because its max supply is 5 billion by 2050, so there is still a lot of time for people to get into it.

We need a good way to educate people about Cryptocurrencies. It will happen in time on its own, but will take time...

We are the 1st users, the testers, the techies, we are the early adopters.

===

Bitcoin Demographics:

https://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/01/22/bitcoin-owners-are-still-white-male-techies-to-no-ones-surprise/
"91.8 percent defined themselves as male, 72.5 percent said they are white and 65.8 percent declared themselves a techie."

https://www.coindesk.com/new-coindesk-report-reveals-who-really-uses-bitcoin/

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-users-who-they-are-and-what-they-do

===

7 Stats That Highlight A Millennial Propensity For Bitcoin
https://www.forbes.com/sites/spencerbogart/2017/11/08/7-stats-that-highlight-a-millennial-propensity-for-bitcoin/#5d706bdb32c4


I didnt realize 2/3'rds of bitcoin users were non religious.  That and the propensity for millenials to hold $1000 bitcoin as an inflation hedge.
Those two things complement Biblepay very well.  We should target those non-religious and have a program for them that "challenges" their belief system, and also with our consistent 19.5% deflationrate, we are an excellent candidate to hold for the inflation hedge.

4777  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 01:10:37 AM

Has anyone been able to deposit USD into a C-CEX account? I've tried to buy C-CEX codes at the 3 websites they have listed, but one is offline and the other two are very sketchy about the process. Also, the Payeer deposit method doesn't provide service to US citizens.

I havent done a USD transfer into ccex, but as you might know in the US most people are using coinbase.  You can buy BTC with coinbase and then transfer the BTC in.
4778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 01:08:18 AM
Im kind of neutral on the 2MB block size debate, I will always prefer long term solutions vs short term,
but really cool to see the DASH Governance model in action!

https://twitter.com/AmandaB_Johnson/status/928313442603356160

https://twitter.com/CashAlternative/status/928403594453377024

Thanks for the update, and also for the update about the segwit 2mb fork being cancelled.

Luckily, so far, none of the dash updates have required a change to BiblePay yet (since our go live date) but I am keeping tabs on them.
Also, since it will be quite a long time before we are close to filling up a block with 1meg of data, we are good on block size for quite a while.

4779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 09, 2017, 01:04:20 AM


So we should start with the creation of a guide booklet that can lay out guidelines about what it is, and help to onload people into biblepay, explain good security and backup practices, help them understand how running the wallet helps orphans, and distribute that to churches.  This is first and foremost a charity.  I don't think Christians are early adopters in cryptocurrencies: many of the coins out there are for anything but charity.

I agree with you. Unfortunately 'Rob'  has hinted that the 10% to charities will end after the masternode sale event. He also stated he will withdraw and let the thing run on it own. I may be mistaken but that was my understanding

Not much can be known who 'Rob' is. The dns records for bibleplay.org are private. May not be his real name. The supposed charity statements have no addition clue. I wouldnt invest my money with so many layers of obfuscation. Thats not investment advice but my own level of comfort with this whole operation. Bible believing Christians hold a higher level of standard and my gift of discernment is ringing a bell.

"Those how have ears let them hear...You will know them by their fruit."

Incorrect: I never "hinted" the 10% charity support would end; on the contrary, I say here that it will continue after sanctuaries go live.
I will not withdraw, incorrect again.  We are coding this system to be decentralized.  This is so I do not have to be a single point of failure.

Regarding unmasking, I said early in the thread I have a reason that I cant unmask completely yet as my other slack group is involved in a way that would currently be affected, but I "believe" I will eventually unmask, but Im not promising anything at this time.

Please find another community to terrorize.  I dont think you are good fit here.



4780  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: November 08, 2017, 11:57:46 PM
Btw, I believe we will be able to make the pool track letter assessed fees into a letter writing bounty account, and reward upvoted letters after they pass the approval threshold. 


Can someone please explain how the letter writing process works?

I've read the content on biblepay.org and pool.biblepay.org but can't figure out how to select a child and submit a letter.

First just try to pull up a child, by clicking Active Orphans List then left click on a child.
Once you know you can see a child, then close that dialog, then right click the row, then left click Write.

Its a little hidden, but the right click context sensitive menu is there to allow us to add a slew of advanced features inside the web site pages in the future.
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