Apology not accepted. Talk is cheap.
Not sure why you are still talking to me DrkShill. You're obviously an unstable loudmouth with the intellect of a 3 year old. You'll throw another tantrum the next time anyone disagrees with you or you don't get your way.
With regard to CLAM's future, your involvement in this coin to the extent that you are worries me a lot more than any digger.
I don't really care if you disagree with me. I disagree with a lot of things, but I don't take kindly to shills trying to rob people for millions of their CLAMs for a month straight at this point despite the majority saying no change. If your concerned about one person having an effect on the future of a crypto currency then maybe you need to pack your bags and stroll the fuck on... Maybe I am the digger too. Would be a pretty epic combo eh? "I'd love to get involved with Bitcoin, but Goat, the pool hopper fucker, really worries me... I think I won't buy <$100 Bitcoins!" Said no one ever  BAC you may be suffering from the sunk cost fallacy. I know you've put a lot of effort into your faucets and recently clamchecker.com but if you're upset with the drama on JD and dooglus and you have no stake in Clams themselves it might be worth considering cutting your losses.
I fulled expected the price of CLAM to go down. I have had enough of Dooglus for a while now ever since he attacked my services and I'm sure the feeling is mutual at this point, but I'm persistent as fuck. CLAM has to grow outside of Doogs strong hold and I'm happy to be a part of that in whatever way I can. I do have a stake in CLAM due to services that I've been building and managing for a year at this point almost. These services not only payout to me, but to other people in the community as well. (Each one of my sites is developed by a different community member for the most part and we split up earnings) I've been on the internet my whole life with some fairly nasty trolls... it doesn't hurt my feelers being called a 3 year old or standing up for what is right even if it's me standing alone... which it isn't the case at this point thank god. |
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Wow, you really come off like a cunt in every single post. Impressive amount of Ass-burgers for someone who supposedly isn't a homeless crackhead. Completely unable to meet questions or opinions without being a douche is almost impressive.
*slow bows* His style is very combative but underneath it he obviously shows great passion for the topic, and we need passionate people, they make the world go'round  I just wish BAC and some of the other participants would keep it civil for fear of this spinning out of control and getting locked down. This has obviously become personal too, which does not add anything good to the topic. Totally agree. My apologizes to the community. I'm only here because it means something to me and I want to be a part of something successful... which is probably why I've been attracted to Just-Dice up until lately. BAC I have a question for you: do you see a problem with a large exchange, for example coinbase, deciding to dig all of their constituents' wallets for clams, and gaining all the riches from them? (not all exchanges will be noble like Poloniex, as the current digger is proving). If you do see a problem with that, then advocating not changing anything and staying the course is not compatible. Because I think it is a huge problem that goes against the grain of "fair distribution" that was the very intent of this coin. As Doog put it, it would be technically not feasible to somehow "blacklist" exchanges from perpetrating such offense, so we need another solution. But I do think it is worth pursuing a solution as long as it is compatible with the core principles of the coin.
I don't see a problem with it. " By definition the rightful owner of any coins is "he who can send them". If you take issue with that, please stick to fiat." I believe that it is very important for the users to help steer the service in the proper direction by bring up the conversation with them about possibly retrieving their CLAM. There was talk about being able to stake Clamcoins by using a signature alone. This would open up all of coinbase's clams for users to begin earning off of them. As Doog put it, it would be technically not feasible to somehow "blacklist" exchanges from perpetrating such offense, so we need another solution.
I'm VERY much against blacklisting and limiting digs of any type. Regardless of how rich the user is or the number of addresses they posses ect. I think it is very important to realize that changing the rules along the way is not necessarily compromising the "foundation", so long as it is done for the right reasons, ie as I have stated before, as long as we don't change rules with the purpose of preserving the monetary value of the coin. If we do it to preserve the "fair distribution", then it's ok. Understand, it is not always possible for founders to foresee all possible contingencies from the very beginning. That is why the US constitution had 27 amendments. Did the amendments compromise the constitution? No, because they were enacted in the spirit of preserving and BUILDING upon the the Constitution and what it was trying to accomplish. We have an opportunity now to build upon and improve this coin.
Our country has had some pretty nasty effects due to the amendments that I think we would have been much better without... the majority of those "bad amendments" were pushed by people with their heart in the wrong place and trying to take advantage of timing and such in for them to personally profit more. (Booze for example... they waited until all the men where shipped off and then rammed that shit down the public's throat.) @all
Mr. Steiner aka. BayAreaCoins, is a narcisistic sociopath who should not be trusted and /or taken seriously.
Please read his trust ratings and decide for yourself.
This coin, like every other shitclone these cryptsy/polo/early adopter/insiders have put out, is a scam and no different that the others.
First the reward reduction(s), then the wallet diggers... and now we have this epic struggle between Dooglus and BayAreaCoins, that will further FUD/exploit the greedy noobs into trading their wealth for cryptofiat.
*glances at your trust feedback* Mk.  |
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So would you prefer not to have the current holders be allowed to vote for what they want?
I'm not a current holder of CLAM because I'm not a smuck trading... does this mean I lose my right to vote because I made good trades? This isn't a democracy as Deb was so cunty to point out to me. I don't think a vote should be held for core things such as digging that set CLAM truly aside from the rest of the crowd. Voting over the internet with account harvesters like Zolace is just asking for it... You can already see the shills come out. To be clear, I'm not trying to push any particular change to the rules.
You obviously are... you have been since you started losing your ass on all your stupid trades. I've sat here and watched it with my two beety little eyes. It's at the top of your message board in Just-Dice as well even. It is hurting CLAM having this conversation over and over. Nothing brings investor faith like shaking the whole foundation of something to the core... *sarcasm* You can literally see the books dry up and it isn't all because of the digger. I have lots of people asking me to stop CLAM dying
Then do something to help... put your money where your mouth is powder puff. Dox the digger because I find it WAY hard to believe that you can't... I've seen you drop too many doxxes directly or indirectly. Rat4, Owsley and others. (Recall you sending me Owsley's picture of his house when he was trolling you.) If you are against the idea of having the most popular idea be implemented, why is that?
If everyone was jumping off a bridge would you jump too? Good lil sheeple! As I know, faucet brings profit with selling adverts and related.
Google Adsense You get money from advertiser, buy CLAMs, and pay users, also in CLAMs, for they're watching adverts and clicking links.
Wrong. I do not buy CLAM through Poloniex or any of the other exchanges. The faucets are stocked with free Clamcoins earned from ClamChecker.com dig option #2, free Just-Dice rain and once in a blue moon a clammie or two from a 4.6 DIG. I think I've bought to stock once. You don't drop all your CLAMs at a time through the faucet, obviously.
' Actually I do. The earned CLAMs go to either the exchange or the faucet... if it isn't profitable to sell at the time then they are staked. So, you must have some amount of CLAMs in unused funds. And I can't believe it just lay still there on your accounts.
You don't have to believe it, but I don't have any CLAMs. And you're interested in low as much as in high.
Even if CLAM is exchanging 1 to 1 with Bitcoin... our Clamcoins earned through step #2 are free. `We pay a flat .005 per fresh address dug for option #3. High is better because we don't buy at low or high... just selling atm. Because you trade.
Thanks for telling me something about me that I don't know about me! I do not buy CLAMs atm. The only trading that is done with CLAM and I now days are sells. I have no interest in buying into a centralized system with someone whom I believe is fucking up 6 ways from Sunday here lately... I honestly believe that they are going to change CLAM in their "favor" regardless of what "we" say or think. Dooglus has a fucked up view on trading and reality some times... like for example how he though the /offsite feature with a room full of degenerates would offset how much they'd invest with JD... It's unbelievable in you don't.
*shrugs* not sure what to tell ya then.
I'm pretty against the idea of making any changes to how the coin works. Clam is far from dying those who are saying it are just butthurt the price dumped (why did these people hold when it was announced early someone was digging and dumping endlessly on polo if the price is what mattered to them?). The truth is with the price being lower more people are playing with clam either on JD or not. You can easily see this with all the new names on JD making larger than average bets. If you guys don't like the way clam is working jump ship and move to another shitcoin don't try to manipulate the core rules to the coin just to please some bagholders
Amen. Without the CLAM distribution there would have been no JD. Sorry you aren't going to vote on what made CLAM great... it's just not going to happen and there very obviously isn't consensus to change it. I maybe interested in the halfing idea if the halfing also halfed the stakes... then when the digging was done, so where the stakes and the network spins on flat #. there is no central authority to enforce the result.
Clamcoin is centralized. Dooglus has the throne and he will continue to push this agenda until he justifies it in his head to push it through. I've been watching this person for years at this point and I'm sure of it. He showed this week that he is prepared to abuse his power by changing someones password on Just-Dice and not allowing them to do what they want with their account... that's just a taste of what is to come I believe. Pretty disgusting  . What has the chart to do with jd? Clam stake and thats what makes most of the profit which brings investors/holders.
Jd spreaded the voice about clam , a known coin is usually an "succesfull" coin.
No... just no... Seriously you need to go get help for your huffing. I can tell you huff gas or paint even through the computer. *starts singing and snapping " Do you believe in magic?"*
I'm really happy I'm not the only one that is against this insane rule change proposals. *phew* I would vote to leave Clam as is with no change. |
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It looks like BayAreaCoins is trying to compromise Doog and convince audience that CLAM is a dead-end project.
I think CLAM has a bright future if it doesn't get fucked along the way by people and their emotions in their trades. I just think changing the core of CLAM in order to protect current holders against the main thing that made CLAM special is silly and greedy. BAC acts himself like a person who wish to somehow affect the stock price. Recently he kindly adviced to sell CLAMs but I bet he didn't sell any one of his own.
I don't give a fuck about CLAM price. I buy Clamcoins at a flat rate regardless of shitcoin markets. I sold all my CLAM a while ago. We sell when it is profitable, stake when it isn't and try to keep the faucets full for the fauceters. More of that, as an owner of a faucet, he's obviously a person who's highly interested in manipulating the stock price.
Not sure what owning faucets and manipulating prices have to do with each other. My prices are static and have nothing to do with market price. I also own & moderate: www.Clamcoin.org , www.ClamcoinFaucets.com , www.FreeClam.com , www.FreeClamcoin.com , www.ClamChecker.com , Mod on /r/Clamcoin , Mod on /r/ClamClient , Mod on IRC @Clamcoin The last BTC rally made most of the forks' price to go down ratebly. It's obvious that there's not many ways to influence on the CLAM price, so the simplest and most effective way to do that is to start booming on this board and in JD chat with highly emotional expressive messages.
I give close to no fucks about CLAM going up or down as indicated above. CLAM up is better than CLAM down obviously. I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams
Still trolling as well, I see  I would have thought after months, or even years, you would have given up. Commitment. I like it. I'd say there is a reasonable chance uvwvj really does know the digger or is assisting. I'm sure the forum he mods has a FUCK ton of Clamcoins yet to dig I'd bet. |
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Fuck I should have held my $420 shorts and $370 shorts.
Can't bitch about earning though.
O well... Buy buy buy!
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I bet we see $375 again today.
Covering those beautiful shorts and going long n strong!
Glad I pussed out on that fairly fast. Yikes
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By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.
100% agreed. All i've seen from BayAreaShitcoins is that he's a loud-mouthed dramatic narcissist who operates a shitty looking CLAM faucet, and a shitty looking CLAM digging site. I'd trade a dozen BayAreaShitcoins for another 0.5 doogs any day. Um... thx for evening having BayAreaShitcoins to trade . Sorry scamming the community out of millions of Clamcoins isn't going as good as you thought it would DrkShill... you might be able to convince dooglus to do it anyways. I'm reasonably sure it's going to happen eventual despite not having consensus... greedy greedy. Keep beating away at it DrkShill! Taking the rest of the day off to dig through my shit. |
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I"ll bet all my CLAMs (I don't have any), that BAC comes back and says, "yeah, but CLAM has dropped 2/3 in price, so you owe me 3000".
I'm not saying that in the least bit. And the 1001 CLAMs was a tip for staking your CLAMs for you before Just-Dice had launched. There was never any hint that it was "a payoff" or "protection money". I wouldn't have accepted it if there was any suggestion that it came with strings attached. Maybe I missed the "verbal agreement" or whatever. It seemed to me like you were just very happy with the return you were making from staking: 23:57 <dooglus> Balance: 30009.7468575 CLAM 23:57 <dooglus> that's after I took off my 50% commission 23:57 <dooglus> also, http://privatepaste.com/[...] 23:57 <dooglus> is up to date 23:58 <BayAreaCoins> rofl that page was so big it made this shitty little Macbook pro have a stroke  23:59 <BayAreaCoins> Go a head and take 1000 for your self too on top of your 50% 23:59 <BayAreaCoins> fucking awsome dude 23:59 <BayAreaCoins> doog* --- Log closed Tue Nov 25 00:00:14 2014 --- Log opened Tue Nov 25 00:00:14 2014 00:03 <dooglus> yeah, every stake shown up as 2 lines: -5 then +6 00:04 <dooglus> you sure about the 1k? 00:04 <BayAreaCoins> 100% 00:07 <BayAreaCoins> (sorry on the phone about [...]) 00:07 <BayAreaCoins> (can prove this is me however if ever you need, but it is I) 00:08 <dooglus> I believe it's you 00:08 <dooglus> and thanks 00:08 <dooglus> (sorry got people here) 00:08 <BayAreaCoins> np sir 00:08 <BayAreaCoins> no worries 00:08 <dooglus> yeah, you staked 951 clams already 00:09 <dooglus> like over 3% of your total 00:10 <BayAreaCoins> Ya that is cray [...] 00:38 <dooglus> I took 1001: http://[...]/tx/e717d753d434552738710d08aeef32528db29300043658a0eb6f57cfc0ba9f58 because that way I didn't have to make change 00:38 <BayAreaCoins> Jesus doog I said 1000! (lulz jk ) cool ty 00:38 <dooglus> heh 00:38 <BayAreaCoins> Not many people will thank you for taking a tip bahahhaha 00:39 <BayAreaCoins> rofl but ty, I couldn't do what you are doing Unfortunately I can't post logs about rat4's dox, because no such conversation ever happened between us. xploited seems to think that creative found his name for you, but I wasn't party to that conversation. I'm going to make a post in the Scam section and we can move this muggy conversation over there. I'm going to search/think and see if I can find any further info on my end because my intentions are not to libel or extort you as state in the Just-Dice troll box. This isn't the first time not logging IRC has bit me in the ass dealing with shady fucks in crypto.... *sigh* By the way, on the topic of Doog... I don't really want to get involved between the spat with BAC but I'd like to point out that first of all, without Doog CLAM wouldn't be where it is today, it probably would have remained confined to obscurity without JD. He's done this community a service and I think BAC you yourself have profited greatly owing to this, and I believe a bit of respect or at least gratefulness is in order.
Also, it was Doog who pointed out the digger to the community in the first place if I remember correctly. We might have found out eventually anyways, but how long it would have taken for someone to realize this and make it public, we can only guess. I see no indication that Doog profited from his knowledge, ie he could have dumped a lot of clams before making this info public and panic ensuing. That in itself I think speaks volumes about his credibility.
Actions speak louder than words.
Dooglus has done a lot. He identified the person gaming the CLAM lottery to steal tens of thousands of CLAM, passed that information to the proper parties, opened Just-Dice, manipulated CLAM price, pointed out the digger (which Dooglus did sell CLAMS once identifying the digger and prior to his post) and now he's lobbying in favor of locking his casino in a firm grip of forever centralizing CLAM through ending digging. I just want my tip back is all because obviously we aren't on the same page about what it was about. Dooglus indian gifted KYLE, so of course the same will come in return. And the 1001 CLAMs was a tip for staking your CLAMs for you before Just-Dice had launched. There was never any hint that it was "a payoff" or "protection money". I wouldn't have accepted it if there was any suggestion that it came with strings attached. Maybe I missed the "verbal agreement" or whatever. It seemed to me like you were just very happy with the return you were making from staking:
I'm pretty sure that's what every crooked politician and other folks say as well when the truth starts coming out |
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but still why FUD CLAM?
Not trying to "FUD CLAM". That sounds so high school datingish. |
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So you recommend people to sell clam yet you still paying 4x on your site?
Dooglus is fucking deep? he is leaving the choice to the community, you been butthurt since you dumped your clams cheap and you blame people.
Andu I really think you may actually be retarded or have a gas sniffing problem... My site pays .005 BTC per dig and sells them at market or holds/stakes them until it is profitable to sell. I'm not sure what cheap Clamcoins you are talking about that I sold... because I'm pretty positive I sold over 30,000 that I bought around Nov 23, 2014 for around .004-.009. I'm butthurt I paid tribute to some fucking asshole who has done nothing but shit on me for the past few months and now I want my shit back because I gave it to him with the idea of working together in harmony... I obviously don't have a contract of "I paid you over $10,000 worth of crypto (was worth at one point anyways... not now) and you be not a douche bag". If I paid anyone else a protection fee and they didn't protect (in fact "they" were the agressors)... I'd get my fucking money back from them too. It's not a big deal. |
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You wouldn't happen to have one of those low buy orders in at poloniex, would ya?
Most def not. My buy orders are for fresh CLAMs only through my personal site and we pay a flat .005 BTC per dig if the digger chooses Bitcoin for their dig. Can you explain what you are talking about so that others can understand?
Why should he give you money back? Why now?
That post will have it's own thread. I'm not going to talk back n forth about it here, but if a new thread is needed to be made in 48 hours then it will be done. (in the process of maying the thread)I don't imagine the Bitcoin community is going to take to kindly to what Dooglus did. MP already removed his WoT stuff from Dooglus long ago and I'm sure he had a itchy feeling something was fucked... which it was. |
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Dooglus I want my 3,000 1,000 CLAMs back from me paying you off for giving me insider information to shake Rat4 with his dox (provided to me by dooglus) and purchase 30% of the Clamcoins prior to Just-Dice launch. Please deposited to:
xS93qVJw4uypKmZjNKj8JgrgC2QQvxenWZ
Resulting in not giving my money back will result in negative feedback and other negative outcomes.
You have 48 hours from this post.
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Strongly advise selling CLAM.
Dooglus is off the fucking deep end and all of this is going to end badly.
The community obviously does not want the dig structure to change, but Dooglus and Company who made horrible trades are pushing this shit like crazy.
It's even at the top of the JD news feed.
Last night I was banned from JD and Deb said she is happy that they are pushing us away because we didn't agree with them... I would strong advise people to start flooding away from these people.
Dooglus is already starting to abuse his power across the board and I imagine this power trip will continue to grow.
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As a Clam holder I would appreciate ending the digging process. Especially since it has been a while. People who are interested in Alt-coins probably have heard of clams by now. The end of digging could bring more interest and money into the coin.
Is it possible to prevent further digging though? Isn't digging just using a previously unused private key to move coins. So to prevent that we would have to remove the ability to send coins which were initially distributed but have yet to be moved?
Yes, and as a bitcoin holder I would like it if they stopped block rewards. We can stop staking for clams too. The whole point of clams is that they were fairly distributed, just because some have taken longer than others to dig theirs, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to. I agree that stopping the digs altogether is not the best solution. What about a halving of the Dig rewards in May 2016 (2 years from the launch date) as indicated in the previous page? We can expand this further that every subsequent halving would be twice the number of years as the previous one. The dig rewards would look like this: May 2014 - 4.6 May 2016 - 2.3 May 2020 - 1.15 May 2028 - 0.575 May 2044 - 0.2875 May 2076 - 0.14375 May 2140 - 0.071875 How about we take your coins and cut them in half next year instead. Save CLAM by leaving it the fuck alone. ^ Second. Here here! or, "hear! hear!", as the case may be  |
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Kinda blown away by how bullish these quarter futures are on OKCoin.
Made a bit on a short, a long and now again a short down to the low $420's.
Squeezes incoming @ $423
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Confirmation that I will provide free escrow for this transaction if needed.
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As a Clam holder I would appreciate ending the digging process. Especially since it has been a while. People who are interested in Alt-coins probably have heard of clams by now. The end of digging could bring more interest and money into the coin.
Is it possible to prevent further digging though? Isn't digging just using a previously unused private key to move coins. So to prevent that we would have to remove the ability to send coins which were initially distributed but have yet to be moved?
Yes, and as a bitcoin holder I would like it if they stopped block rewards. We can stop staking for clams too. The whole point of clams is that they were fairly distributed, just because some have taken longer than others to dig theirs, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to. I agree that stopping the digs altogether is not the best solution. What about a halving of the Dig rewards in May 2016 (2 years from the launch date) as indicated in the previous page? We can expand this further that every subsequent halving would be twice the number of years as the previous one. The dig rewards would look like this: May 2014 - 4.6 May 2016 - 2.3 May 2020 - 1.15 May 2028 - 0.575 May 2044 - 0.2875 May 2076 - 0.14375 May 2140 - 0.071875 How about we take your coins and cut them in half next year instead. Save CLAM by leaving it the fuck alone. ^ Second. Here here! |
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As a Clam holder I would appreciate ending the digging process. Especially since it has been a while. People who are interested in Alt-coins probably have heard of clams by now. The end of digging could bring more interest and money into the coin.
Is it possible to prevent further digging though? Isn't digging just using a previously unused private key to move coins. So to prevent that we would have to remove the ability to send coins which were initially distributed but have yet to be moved?
Yes, and as a bitcoin holder I would like it if they stopped block rewards. We can stop staking for clams too. The whole point of clams is that they were fairly distributed, just because some have taken longer than others to dig theirs, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to. I agree that stopping the digs altogether is not the best solution. What about a halving of the Dig rewards in May 2016 (2 years from the launch date) as indicated in the previous page? We can expand this further that every subsequent halving would be twice the number of years as the previous one. The dig rewards would look like this: May 2014 - 4.6 May 2016 - 2.3 May 2020 - 1.15 May 2028 - 0.575 May 2044 - 0.2875 May 2076 - 0.14375 May 2140 - 0.071875 Ya I couldn't agree with this either because 2044 isn't a good year for me... You aren't going to rob people of THEIR "paper wallet" Clamcoins in this community I don't think. Sry. Go try to get Bitcoin to remove their block rewards.  |
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5.25 billion new coins per year for eva atm. They should have kept max coins at 100 billion imo. Too much inflation is hurting the price. Preaching to the choir. I truly wouldn't be surprised if there was a under the table deal done between Jackson and Charlie Lee in regards to the merge mining set up. (I have no proof, but I was the first to tell Jackson about merge mining... 0 interest... meets Charlie Lee and tada... then puts distance between himself and the project.) |
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Speaking of Directbet. We've removed the ads off www.Clamcoin.org and added a list of all the gambling sites that take CLAM. you forgot to add www.bustaclam.com to the list. bustaclam 2.0 is going live anyday now where you can invest clam in it. Ah shit you're right. Thanks! |
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