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481  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 30, 2014, 01:08:05 AM


move to the darkcointalk.org forum

Yeah, this might be the only hope at this point, lol. 
482  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 30, 2014, 12:12:31 AM
So at the moment I can send  coins anonymously with XC?

No you cannot send coins anonymously. This functionality was completely removed from the current release.
The mixer was not working properly and apparently the dev was not able to fix it till now.

LOL.

With Darkcoin you can send coins anonymously TODAY.  With XC you might be able to send them in the FUTURE.
Seems obvious which coin needs an audit.  
483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 29, 2014, 11:47:51 PM
WHERE is the peer review for Darksend?


What code do you suspect Evan of copying?



EXACTLY... He could have copied everything or even have hidden mining code for himself.   Who would know without a PEER REVIEW??

DarkCoin is opensource -- nothing is forcing you to use the Darksend version of the wallet which is closed source.  Also it needs no peer review, the Darksend version of the wallet WORKS -- it is just not finished.  

See the dumbest thing ever written on the forum, why is it ok to go to town on one coin but not the COIN YOU HAVE.

Thats the hypocrisy on the forum at the moment.  

Where is XC's WORKING anon software -- show me that and I will retract my statement.  

WHERE is the peer review for Darksend?


What code do you suspect Evan of copying?



EXACTLY... He could have copied everything or even have hidden mining code for himself.   Who would know without a PEER REVIEW??

DarkCoin is opensource -- nothing is forcing you to use the Darksend version of the wallet which is closed source.  Also it needs no peer review, the Darksend version of the wallet WORKS -- it is just not finished.  

See the dumbest thing ever written on the forum, why is it ok to go to town on one coin but not the COIN YOU HAVE.

Thats the hypocrisy on the forum at the moment.  

Lol !!!! So i can disable the rootkit or Trojan and be safe yes ?? Closed source is closed source dont matter if you can put a sign there "I don't want this code to work"



You have the option to not download it and use the open source wallet.  
484  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Uncensored XC thread on: May 29, 2014, 11:44:00 PM
WHERE is the peer review for Darksend?


What code do you suspect Evan of copying?



EXACTLY... He could have copied everything or even have hidden mining code for himself.   Who would know without a PEER REVIEW??

DarkCoin is opensource -- nothing is forcing you to use the Darksend version of the wallet which is closed source.  Also it needs no peer review, the Darksend version of the wallet WORKS -- it is just not finished. 
485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 29, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted.

CoinDesk article covering the fork and aftermath.

http://www.coindesk.com/darkcoin-price-turmoil-network-issues-emergency-fork/


Thanks for pointing that out.  After yesterday's ridiculous trolling and arguing, which completely put me off the forum, I'm surprised they were so kind to us (well, maybe it was published before the chaos.)

Just logged on, but I hope I'll see a more civil thread today!

Ignore is your friend Tante. Smiley

Though, I wonder, is the trolling any worse in here than say it was for litecoin when it rose to $50 and then was dumped.

Dunno... I just think that all the crypto vets, like the coindesk author seems to be, have become desensitized to the trolling and are good at picking out facts. I was impressed that the article even included the updated new plan (using a hardfork) to pay masternodes.

I was upset at coindesk for the x11 article (before it was edited) but this article reflects quite well on them.
486  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 29, 2014, 01:18:17 PM
I wish TanteStefana or someone competent would moderate this topic. It would have 300 pages less, but it would be more readable.

please? Cheesy

Just use the ignore button or the darkcointalk forums. A self moderated ANN would hurt much more than it would help.
487  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 29, 2014, 06:23:33 AM
we gotta lay off x11coin or whatever. Looks bad. I know it copied the algo, the masternodes, the basic idea and even the whole look-at-me-and-my-resume dev. All we should say is, don't know if they will succeed in their quest, don't understand the white paper(really don't), they copied x,y,z, ....wish them luck. Period. No need to fight a fight that will be won not on words but on the actions of the dev.

+1

First step, stop responding to the XC trolls in this thread. Engaging them only make this thread more and more about that coin. Use the ignore button and let's turn this back into the DARKCOIN thread.
488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 04:16:18 PM
Apparently I have more faith in humanity than anyone else around here  Smiley I'll implement the masternode payments via hardfork, who knows, maybe all of you are right.

By the way, I'm not talking about the price now or even in a year. It's about the security of the network when it's large enough to support a decent amount of transactions. Giving a higher reward simply doubles or triples the cost of such an attack, 10% was just too low.

Thanks. This really puts me at ease. The motto of all crypto... you are required to trust NO ONE.

As for 20%, I have no problem with this especially since you seemed to consider how the network will be years down the road when coming up with this number.  
489  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 01:12:03 PM
The whole thing to appease investors with "ok guys no hard forks" and bagholders of masternodes with "ok guys you'll get 20%" is sketchy. I know I'm harsh but I like things to go right Cool

Price is price. It'll go up, down, sideways etc. Let it be. All the price attention is having an impact in development.

Development must proceed as planned so we can have the final product, nice and polished - no matter if it takes 1-2-3 or 5 hardforks and no matter if investors are bitching that they are losing masternode income because the implementation is late. Do they want to have masternodes of a coin that is GOOD or do they want to have a masternode of a coin that is doing hack-arounds?

The masternode protocol works, the masternode payments work (we saw them - it's not vapor), it's just that there is something introducing instability which has to be debugged and sorted out. If the origin is difficult to trace, then perhaps a different mechanism can be used for doing the payments (not voluntarily)

+1

Fitting development priorities to price is the road to disaster.

F*ck the price. If a change needs a hardfork then thats what it should get. I'm not saying that absolute maximum care should'nt be taken to make the disruption minimal, but design priorities and technical strategy should be done around quality, not markets.

And markets ultimately like quality Grin

+1 Should be brought to Evan

When AlexGR and I got started on this issue about 12 hours ago Evan was part of the discussion -- and now I suspect he is still in bed. Wink

Let's see if we hear anything when he wakes up.
490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 12:51:01 PM
Maybe all the FUD, attacks, etc. in the last month have left me skittish -- but I wonder even in the short term what might happen to the coin if there is an organized effort to hurt DRK based around pools cheating.   If Evan does go through with this then I hope I am just worrying over nothing.  

If? It is a given that at least half the pools and big farms (a lot of them nowadays) won't be paying. So the 20% will be more like 10% for the masternodes, =what they were expecting anyway. But it will be a disproportionate weight to the "fair" pools.

The whole thing to appease investors with "ok guys no hard forks" and bagholders of masternodes with "ok guys you'll get 20%" is sketchy. I know I'm harsh but I like things to go right Cool

Price is price. It'll go up, down, sideways etc. Let it be. All the price attention is having an impact in development.

Development must proceed as planned so we can have the final product, nice and polished - no matter if it takes 1-2-3 or 5 hardforks and no matter if investors are bitching that they are losing masternode income because the implementation is late. Do they want to have masternodes of a coin that is GOOD or do they want to have a masternode of a coin that is doing hack-arounds?

The masternode protocol works, the masternode payments work (we saw them - it's not vapor), it's just that there is something introducing instability which has to be debugged and sorted out. If the origin is difficult to trace, then perhaps a different mechanism can be used for doing the payments (not voluntarily)

We also need improvements in DarkSend. The competition (MRO) is integrating I2P (as we've said) and XC will be using encrypted communication between nodes (as it has been said of DRK's future plans as well).

I know this sounds like a mom's "to-do list" to the child until she gets back home, but priorities are priorities, and price or reaching litecoin immediately are not a priority. If the code is sorted out and the product delivered in final form, LTC will start rolling down. Too fast of a price rise with a half-baked product is problematic.

LTC can't compete anyway in fundamentals like inflation (10x the BTCs to absorb LTC production compared to DRK) or innovation so they will be dead anyway by debasement. #2 is a given. Preserving #2 is not due to the competition. Who is gonna buy 300k USD of LTCs per day? It'll go 0.019 -> 18 -> 17 over time. It doesn't look that "hot" of a property. Only buys will be for cost-averaging buys at 0.025+.

Having said that about the #2 competition, the anonymity competition actually looks pretty lame (BCN and clones too many issues, XC mostly vapor for now but that could change a few months ahead as they seem to have the prospects of delivering a product similar to what Evan has at like 70-80% completion). But we can't base our strategy on others failing or being pumps & dumps that are "threatening" us due to pumps => we must excel and take the market. Then bring V2 for "fatality". Otherwise the risk is there for more serious contenders appearing.

My 2 duffs.

Completely seeing eye to eye with you on this one.

I'd much rather follow the original plan (just delayed to work out bugs and test new code) and get a solid piece of software in Darksend -- than go with this new plan which seems to cater to investors (of which I am one) a bit too much.
491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
This coin is too unstable. All the participants were very upset. Development should be to do something. Of course, if you like, please help!

Who are these "participatants"?  Stop spreading FUD. Price has been very resilient considering the technical issues over the last couple days.
492  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
That part:

Quote
If the pool doesn't pay the correct amount to the correct node, we'll know and we'll shame them. We'll get miners to move to honest pools.

...won't work. We couldn't even get the miners of coinmine to switch when they were >51% because they were getting consistency and low variance (compared to the official which was DOS'ed).

The days of 2-3 pools also seem to be over: http://drk.poolhash.org/poolhash.html

The pie chart is revealing.

Just use hard fork and another system of election/payment that doesn't affect network stability. "Honest pools" won't work. Guaranteed.

I think it's a good start. Doing masternode payments via soft fork will allow them to get paid like promised, we can at least get the larger pools to pay the fees. Later on, we can hard for and enforce them.


Sorry to bring this back up, but even in the short term I fear the chaos this will cause.

If you look at the thread since DRK started to rise last month, there have been trolls galore (some of who have admitted to being paid), some poor guy got his masternode hacked and his coins stolen (bad job of hardening, I know), as well as many other instances of hate directed towards DRK.  There are A LOT of people who want you to fail... for DRK to fail -- and I really think that this method of paying masternodes makes their job easier.  

I trust that the current major pools will cooperate, but what I worry about is a newly created malicious pool cheating (which you admitted was possible) and modifying the wallet software so that the block reward received from the network (say 5 coins) is not split 4/1, but lets say, is split 1 DRK for themselves and 4 for the miners. Or, as another example, they pay all 5 coins to the miners (and advertise that their pool has bigger payouts causing them to gain even more miners). Shaming them won't help.  In fact it might make things worse as it will bring attention to a pool where miners get bigger payouts.  It has been proven time and again that miners care much more about the profit than the coin (51%+ hashrate on coinmine in the early days, etc.)

Right. Shaming them might actually achieve the reverse effect and make the pool bigger.

If it's only hurting others indirectly, aka the MN users, then as a miner, I would go where the largest block reward is.

I just think that there will be a lot of chaos that will hurt DRK.  If DRK is going to say publicly that masternodes get 20% of the reward then they need to get that 20% every block or people will be very quick to call the coin a scam.

The beauty of all cryptocurrency is the aspect of trustlessness, but by using this method the masternode owner needs to trust that the node which found the block is using unmodified software so that they get their reward.  Even if it is for a short time, I just don't think going down a path requiring trust is good for the coin or investor loyalty.  If possible, I ask that you consider other options or just go back to the hardfork plan after very extensive testing of the new code on testnet.  


bolding in the quotes done by me


You observations are correct. However the plan as I understood by reading Evans posts is to soft fork the payments of the masternodes and later on, well prepared, hard fork it in. In this case it is a short term and long term win. Short term the masternodes get what they deserve (with no pools cheating that is), later on it is guaranteed for all because it is then hard forked in.

Maybe all the FUD, attacks, etc. in the last month have left me skittish -- but I wonder even in the short term what might happen to the coin if there is an organized effort to hurt DRK based around pools cheating.   If Evan does go through with this then I hope I am just worrying over nothing.  
493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
That part:

Quote
If the pool doesn't pay the correct amount to the correct node, we'll know and we'll shame them. We'll get miners to move to honest pools.

...won't work. We couldn't even get the miners of coinmine to switch when they were >51% because they were getting consistency and low variance (compared to the official which was DOS'ed).

The days of 2-3 pools also seem to be over: http://drk.poolhash.org/poolhash.html

The pie chart is revealing.

Just use hard fork and another system of election/payment that doesn't affect network stability. "Honest pools" won't work. Guaranteed.

I think it's a good start. Doing masternode payments via soft fork will allow them to get paid like promised, we can at least get the larger pools to pay the fees. Later on, we can hard for and enforce them.


Sorry to bring this back up, but even in the short term I fear the chaos this will cause.

If you look at the thread since DRK started to rise last month, there have been trolls galore (some of who have admitted to being paid), some poor guy got his masternode hacked and his coins stolen (bad job of hardening, I know), as well as many other instances of hate directed towards DRK.  There are A LOT of people who want you to fail... for DRK to fail -- and I really think that this method of paying masternodes makes their job easier.  

I trust that the current major pools will cooperate, but what I worry about is a newly created malicious pool cheating (which you admitted was possible) and modifying the wallet software so that the block reward received from the network (say 5 coins) is not split 4/1, but lets say, is split 1 DRK for themselves and 4 for the miners. Or, as another example, they pay all 5 coins to the miners (and advertise that their pool has bigger payouts causing them to gain even more miners). Shaming them won't help.  In fact it might make things worse as it will bring attention to a pool where miners get bigger payouts.  It has been proven time and again that miners care much more about the profit than the coin (51%+ hashrate on coinmine in the early days, etc.)

Right. Shaming them might actually achieve the reverse effect and make the pool bigger.

If it's only hurting others indirectly, aka the MN users, then as a miner, I would go where the largest block reward is.

I just think that there will be a lot of chaos that will hurt DRK.  If DRK is going to say publicly that masternodes get 20% of the reward then they need to get that 20% every block or people will be very quick to call the coin a scam.

The beauty of all cryptocurrency is the aspect of trustlessness, but by using this method the masternode owner needs to trust that the node which found the block is using unmodified software so that they get their reward.  Even if it is for a short time, I just don't think going down a path requiring trust is good for the coin or investor loyalty.  If possible, I ask that you consider other options or just go back to the hardfork plan after very extensive testing of the new code on testnet.  


bolding in the quotes done by me
494  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 03:03:24 AM
That is not what I mean. I edited my previous post to be more clear.

As I currently understand Evan's plan:

Network pays pool 100% of reward - pool must split reward 80/20 - 80% to miners, 20% to masternode

Are you are saying a dishonest pool can't break this system?  Or I am misunderstanding what Evan proposed.

There were originally two strategies for masternode payments. One requires a hardfork and one doesn't. I originally decided to do the one that does, because you can't cheat as a pool operator. But, that comes with a price. The code must reject cheating blocks and that's what caused the forking issue.

The other way is to setup the client to pay nodes in a provably fair way. If the pool doesn't pay the correct amount to the correct node, we'll know and we'll shame them. We'll get miners to move to honest pools.

Like others have suggested, all of the groundwork has been laid. I have implemented the masternodes, the election system for payments and it's compatible with this soft fork.

So why 20% fees for masternode payments? This essentially will create twice as many nodes and create a much higher cost to spy on the network. It also creates a larger feedback loop for the price (because as darkcoin is taken out of the supply, it drives the price up), which is good for all of the investors and security of DarkSend. Miners will get less coin, but it's been proven time and time again that when you decrease the coins generated the price will just go up to meet the cost of mining.

My goal with Darkcoin has always been to take the #2 spot from Litecoin. I believe we have the best chance we've ever had now and these changes will actually help realize that goal.

As for my communication? Lately I've just had my nose to the grindstone, coding all of the time. I intend to be much more involved with the community in the future. This will include getting a team of software developers and managing the vision of the project. I think my time might be better spent in the future doing interviews, speaking at conferences and being Darkcoin's figurehead.

With a non hard fork for the time being yes it would be possible for a pool to cheat.

Ok. Well my understanding is correct then. Not the biggest fan of this solution and its compromise... let's hope that this is just temporary as his most resent post suggests.
495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 02:51:25 AM
That part:

Quote
If the pool doesn't pay the correct amount to the correct node, we'll know and we'll shame them. We'll get miners to move to honest pools.

...won't work. We couldn't even get the miners of coinmine to switch when they were >51% because they were getting consistency and low variance (compared to the official which was DOS'ed).

The days of 2-3 pools also seem to be over: http://drk.poolhash.org/poolhash.html

The pie chart is revealing.

Just use hard fork and another system of election/payment that doesn't affect network stability. "Honest pools" won't work. Guaranteed.

My thoughts exactly.

@Propulsion
Is this really a non-issue?


Your issue is the equivalent of asking what if one pool creates their own generated bitcoins instead of twenty five per block.

That is not what I mean. I edited my previous post to be more clear.

As I currently understand Evan's plan:
Network pays pool 100% of reward - pool must split reward 80/20 - 80% to miners, 20% to masternode

Are you are saying a dishonest pool can't break this system?  Or I am misunderstanding what Evan proposed.
496  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 02:34:49 AM
That part:

Quote
If the pool doesn't pay the correct amount to the correct node, we'll know and we'll shame them. We'll get miners to move to honest pools.

...won't work. We couldn't even get the miners of coinmine to switch when they were >51% because they were getting consistency and low variance (compared to the official which was DOS'ed).

The days of 2-3 pools also seem to be over: http://drk.poolhash.org/poolhash.html

The pie chart is revealing.

Just use hard fork and another system of election/payment that doesn't affect network stability. "Honest pools" won't work. Guaranteed.

My thoughts exactly.

@Propulsion
Is this really a non-issue? My understanding of Evan's post is that the pool would get paid from the network and said pool is responsible for the 80/20 split between miners and the elected masternode.
497  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 02:21:17 AM
There were originally two strategies for masternode payments. One requires a hardfork and one doesn't. I originally decided to do the one that does, because you can't cheat as a pool operator. But, that comes with a price. The code must reject cheating blocks and that's what caused the forking issue.

The other way is to setup the client to pay nodes in a provably fair way. If the pool doesn't pay the correct amount to the correct node, we'll know and we'll shame them. We'll get miners to move to honest pools.

Like others have suggested, all of the groundwork has been laid. I have implemented the masternodes, the election system for payments and it's compatible with this soft fork.

So why 20% fees for masternode payments? This essentially will create twice as many nodes and create a much higher cost to spy on the network. It also creates a larger feedback loop for the price (because as darkcoin is taken out of the supply, it drives the price up), which is good for all of the investors and security of DarkSend. Miners will get less coin, but it's been proven time and time again that when you decrease the coins generated the price will just go up to meet the cost of mining.

My goal with Darkcoin has always been to take the #2 spot from Litecoin. I believe we have the best chance we've ever had now and these changes will actually help realize that goal.

As for my communication? Lately I've just had my nose to the grindstone, coding all of the time. I intend to be much more involved with the community in the future. This will include getting a team of software developers and managing the vision of the project. I think my time might be better spent in the future doing interviews, speaking at conferences and being Darkcoin's figurehead.

Thank you for the response. I am happy that this is possible without a hardfork, but I am concerned about the resulting incentive structure.

In the current system, pool owners have a good incentive to honestly pay the miners because if miners think they have been cheated then they will move elsewhere. This would result in a loss of income, via pool fees, for the pool owners.

However with this new system where the pool is expected to give 20% of the reward to the elected masternode, if the pool does not honestly pay the masternode then there is really no reason for the miners to leave. Actually, they have an incentive to stay because now they would get 100% of the reward.  I could actually see a malicious pool set up by somebody trying to destabilize the system which ADVERTISES "no payments to masternodes" to entice miners to come to their pool.

Have you considered this?  Maybe I just need more faith in human behavior...

Btw, I like all the ideas related to dev team building and improved communication.  Smiley
498  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 01:02:57 AM
Anybody else raise a bit of an eyebrow at the "no forks" part of Evan's post?  If that can be done, then why did we try to hard fork in the first place? Was the original method really thought through and the best option to pay masternodes selected? Or is there some compromise in implementing forkless payments that is now being ignored becuase of the chaos over the last few days? And then there is the obvious increasing of the masternode incentive (20%, multiple tickets) which I guess is fine... but is also a convenient price lifeboat.

My wallet has remained closed during this mishap and I have no plans to dump any part of my modest stash, but I have a lot of questions right now. Anybody that has any insight (Evan himself is best, but that is hoping for too much) that could answer some of these questions would be appreciated.

Or maybe I am being too skeptical and nobody else sees anything odd here...

The problem is in the wallet, NOT in the blockchain, the fork was needed to enable the payments and is already done.

The wallet/daemon/masternode software is what needs the update now.

Thank you for the information. Puts my heart at ease.
499  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 28, 2014, 12:01:41 AM
Anybody else raise a bit of an eyebrow at the "no forks" part of Evan's post?  If that can be done, then why did we try to hard fork in the first place? Was the original method really thought through and the best option to pay masternodes selected? Or is there some compromise in implementing forkless payments that is now being ignored becuase of the chaos over the last few days? And then there is the obvious increasing of the masternode incentive (20%, multiple tickets) which I guess is fine... but is also a convenient price lifeboat.

My wallet has remained closed during this mishap and I have no plans to dump any part of my modest stash, but I have a lot of questions right now. Anybody that has any insight (Evan himself is best, but that is hoping for too much) that could answer some of these questions would be appreciated.

Or maybe I am being too skeptical and nobody else sees anything odd here...
500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: May 27, 2014, 01:07:30 AM
The most disappointing thing is that it was an attack, not just a hard fork problems because of the versions not up to date.

I see it as the other way around. You'd expect someone to try to attack DRK because of its popularity whereas hardfork problem due to old clients could be seen as incompetence (btw I am not saying Evan is incompetent) and serves as good troll material.
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