Proper format for that information is:

100k,7juju,65,9750,2024-04-12


You do not need to have 100 pushups in order to participate.  Just report however many you have done and how many days you had been doing them in the format that DirtyKeyboard had provided.


Those are good numbers, and you seem to have good likelihood of increasing your numbers to be able to reach 100 in one set..   The most that I have done in one set, so far, is 63, but I am getting to the point where I am doing a lot of my sets 50 or more, so I just try to figure out how much energy I have left when I start to get into the mid to upper 40s to be able to figure out if I can do more, and so when i did 63, I was trying to get 65, but I just ran out of energy.. . could not even do one more pushup for that set.

I mentioned also that sometimes I am wondering if I counted correctly because I am counting and I am trying to breath hard to build my energy, but I am also listening to a podcast.. so I am thinking that I might want to switch to music from here on out.. so that I might be able to concentrate better.. or maybe silence would be even better.. let me test it out.

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Here's my latest pushups;  I finished all sets for today.
100k,JayJuanGee,68,11995,2024-04-12

Regarding lunges.  I did try to do some systematically today and to measure them and time them. So, in the future I am going to perhaps try to fit them in between pushup sets or some variation that may or may not be consistent, but I will write them down for myself.. I did 4 sets of 20 each (of walking lunges), and the way that I did the walking lunges, it took me around 40 seconds for each of the 4 sets.

That is retarded.

Don't be so fucking stupid.

Figure out some kind of a plan, and just buy BTC regularly for 4-10 years or longer, and then figure out what you are going to do some place later down the road.

Just pick an amount to invest that is not going to cause you to get emotional about largely meaningless short term price moves... and after you have been investing in bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer, it may well start to become more clear what you might want to do next.. depending on if you attempted to learn more about bitcoin along the way.


You sound distracted.  Who cares about crypto and shitcoins?  You are likely wasting your time with that nonsense.


You sound lost.   

Hopefully no one is following your suggestions about getting involved in shitcoins. 

Sure if you invest into bitcoin and you cannot help yourself but to trade and to get involved in shitcoins, then if you at least limit your exposure to no more than 10% the size of your bitcoin investment (without cheating by continuing to take away from your bitcoin investment when you continue to lose money with your shitcoins), then at least you might have made some attempts to keep your gambling in check, but yeah, one of the problems with distracted shitcoiners and degenerate gamblers, they cannot figure out ways to either limit themselves and/or to identify the main thing that has value, which is bitcoin... so yeah, you are likely going to have fun staying poor by staying distracted with shitcoins and chasing around pump and dump nonsense... hopefully you don't lose too much, but yeah,  you are likely not going to make any progress in life when you cannot even identify the thing that has value (which is bitcoin).


Bitcoin does not need to be done very carefully.

The main thing with bitcoin is getting the fuck started, and yeah, sure you have to figure out your various budgetary matters and how to source your coins and then to learn about bitcoin along the way, as well as modifying your budget in such a way that you are not buying bitcoin beyond your level of discretionary income, so there are things to do with bitcoin, but you do not have to do all of those things prior to getting started, likely you probably would have to do with shitcoins. 

So one of the main things is to forget about shitcoins and just focus on bitcoin and then after a few years of investing into bitcoin and learning about it, then you would potentially be in a better place if you were to want to get involved in shitcoins, yet with shitcoins it is probably better to limit your involvement in them.. hopefully less than 10% of the size of your bitcoin investment.. .and no problem trying to be somewhat aggressive with your bitcoin investment so long as you don't reck yourself and you manage your bitcoin investment within your discretionary income (which means that you are using money that you do not need for your expenses).

Sure there are some folks who are actually saying that there is no risk in bitcoin, and some folks believe that if they DCA, then that takes out the risk..

So yeah, those kinds of representations of bitcoin or even using the DCA method would not be correct.

The more proper assertion would be to proclaim that the most that you could lose is 100% of what you invest into bitcoin, so you need to consider the possibility that you could lose 100%, and if you do not engage in leveraging behaviors, then the most that you are going to lose is 100% of what you invest, whether that is time, energy and/or value that you put into it.

On the other hand, bitcoin remains an asymmetric bet to the upside, and perhaps it is the best asymmetric bet that is currently widely available to almost anyone in the world.  Even though there are ways to benefit indirectly from the existence of bitcoin, one of the ways to benefit directly is to invest into bitcoin, so if you don't invest into bitcoin, you are most likely not going to directly benefit from it.

Good luck in terms of deciding how much to invest into bitcoin, but surely it seems an overwhelming majority of the population don't have enough bitcoin, so the problem tends to be underinvestment rather then overinvestment, yet each of us has to decide for ourselves in regards to how aggressive that we are ready, wiiling and able to be without over doing it and recking ourselves.


Sure, we probably agree here.  Just say no to shitcoins, and if you cannot resist investing into shitcoins, then limit such investment (if we can even call it that?) to less than 10% the size of your bitcoin investment, and the better thing is to figure out bitcoin first and get your strategy and your plan execution in order in regards to bitcoin prior to getting distracted into any shitcoins, even the ones that seem shiny and alluring. 

In other words, fuck shitcoins and focus on bitcoin first prior to getting distracted.. but hey, if you cannot help yourself at least limit your exposure (of your time, energy and/or value) to such nonsense.


Even though you are correct, some folks get confused by the term "non-custodial," and yeah, "non-custodial" means the same as self-custodial, and I personally think it is much more clear to use the term self-custodial in order that fewer  people will be confused.

I am not sure who came up with such dumb term "non-custodial"  that is confusing as fuck, yet everyone should be able to figure out what "self-custodial" is.

When possible, it is better to use more clear language in order to lessen the likelihood of confusion, especially when newbies are sometimes trying to figure out what they need to do.. or what they need to learn about, yet they might not even understand the terms that are being used, especially when the terms are ambiguous and potentially purposefully meant to mislead people.

In regards to custodial wallets, it is likely better to describe those as third-party custodial in order to clarify that they are wallets in which someone else controls the keys or that there might not be certainty in terms of the exclusivity of the wallet.. such as exchanges and other services that people use and they do not hold the keys, so those wallets are called custodial wallets, yet for clarity they are third-party custodial, so that should emphasize the point that someone else has the keys (or potentially can block the person from being able to withdraw the money from those kinds of third party custodial wallets).


That is part of the confusion, since "custodial" does sound safe, but it should be made clear that custodial is the same as someone else holding your coins rather than you holding your own coins, which causes me to suggest that it is better to use more descriptive terms in order to describe custodial wallets as "third party custodial" as opposed to self-custodial.  Self-custodial is more under your own control; however, there is a problem that people have to be responsible when using self-custodial wallets, since no one is going to save them if they lose their password.  A third-party custodial may well provide recovery of wallet advantages, so sometimes there can be confusion about the advantages and disadvantages and the level of responsibility that a person might need to make sure that they have when they control their own private keys... and it can be scary for people to be their own bank and to be in charge of their own keys and that they have to make sure that they are able to recover their coins in case something goes wrong with their self-custodial wallet.


Fair enough.  Yes.  There are needs for balancing in regards to where you keep your coins and what kinds of trade offs there might be in terms of how much value you are keeping in any one location and whether or not you control the keys or if the keys are controlled by a third party, and also there are likely varying kinds of security trade-offs depending on what service you are using (if we are referring to a third-party custodian) versus what kinds of features might exist (including also security tradeoffs and even variance in ease of use) in regards to various self-custodial wallet solutions that are available.


You must be lost, cxtreenal.  We are not talking about selling in this thread or trading, so the mere fact that some of us are talking about buying on the  dip, does not mean that we are also talking about selling, since one of the main ideas of the thread attempting various ways to accumulate bitcoin and selling is not one that we are discussing in this thread.. nor trading... those are topics and/or techniques for other threads.

Don't let me talk you out of any of your dumbness.  You should do what you believe best, even if some others here might consider it to be dumb. 
You are the one who is going to have to live with the consequences of whatever you choose to do, or not to do.

There is a pretty BIG difference between 1st place and 2nd place (nearly $1,500).. but surely we have been spending the last couple of weeks inching our way up.. and clearly there must be some kind of sign that we are spending a decent amount of time in this top area.. and continuing to push UPpity...

At the same time, there are quite a few guys considering this to be some kind of a fake top or that a price correction is inevitable.

Sure, I will grant that price corrections can happen at any time, but I am having difficulties appreciating those claims of inevitability when it comes to down before up.. and also that we still are largely in the middle of noman's land and the thesis has not been broken in regards to the meaning of noman's land.. which is that inclination are more towards up within such noman's land territories.. (aka bat country)

Every time you buy BTC, you should be considering that new purchased BTC in terms of a 4-10 year time horizon or longer.

Sure if you had been investing into BTC for 3-4 year, you are going to have BTC that you purchased that are older and some that are more newly purchased, but the mere fact that some of your earlier purchases are already more than 4 years invested, that should not be enough of a reason to start to cash those ones out, even though you surely have more liberty in regards to your longer purchases, and also in the end you can do whatever the fuck you want, even if you do a bunch of dumb shit because you think  that you made it and you had barely even built up your BTC holdings, yet you start to conclude that you have some coins that are older than 4 years, and so therefore you should start cashing out some of your BTC, rather than staying focused on the more important considerations in regards to where are you with your overall BTC holdings? Do you even have a whole year's income/expenses that are built up into your BTC in terms of how much you invested versus how much the BTC might have appreciated during the time that you were building your stash and presumptively the older coins are more profitable than the newer ones... yet even with all this assessment, the overall conclusion may well be that your stash is not even close enough to be considering moving away from accumulation unless you had been able to lump sump and to front load it and/or some of those various tactics that you invested a lot early rather than DCAing that takes way longer to build your BTC holdings, even though DCA may well be the ONLY real meaningful option that you might have had during your investment into BTC over the years.

From my perspective, newbies seem to become too overly obsessed with short term profits and not considering how to stack a sufficient quantity of BTC for the long term - which surely may be one of the danger points in having a thread that focuses on the road to $100k.. since what is so important about $100k anyhow?  $100k is just an intermediary point..   Yeah, there may or may not be resistance there.  Sure we did not make it there last cycle, even though many then BTC HODLers were considering it to be nearly a shoe-in (including yours truly), yet don't get me wrong, even though some of us thought that $100k had pretty high odds last time around, having that view would not necessarily mean that we are taking any actions much differently than we did when the top of last cycle ended up being $69k rather than $100k... ..

yeah, sure if anyone actually knows the price they can trade on that information.. but people do not really know, so just buying and holding seems to be what most people are doing at these prices or anywhere along the road to $100k and beyond.. Most people should just be buying, since most people do not have even close to enough BTC.. yet at the same time most people do not know it.. even the traders who think that they are going to be able to increase their BTC stash by selling rather than the most assured way to increase your BTC stash is by ongoing, persistent, consistent and perhaps even aggressive buying of BTC.


Overall, we should consider that BTC's price is going up.  It is just a matter of having a perspective that is long enough so that the shorter term volatility does not distract from an overall understanding of the likely price direction.


I hate to get in long discussions that repeat comparing DCA and lump sum, and surely there are a lot of advantages to lump sum, especially for folks who have options to employ lump sum, but if they don't already have lump sum, then frequently their best strategy will be to buy as aggressively and consistently with DCA as they are able to do.   

Also if you have a salary that provides you an extra $1k per month that you are able to invest into BTC, then surely you could invest that at around $250 per week, or maybe you would hold back and ONLY invest $125 per week.  If you also get a bonus or you have some funds that you have saved up or invested over the previous 10 years, then maybe you had already invested and built a portfolio that is around $50k in value, and so you happen to want to consider if you might want to get your bitcoin investment up to 25% of your overall investment portfolio, which currently that would mean a target of $12,500.  Many times a person is going to be reluctant to cash out of something in his investment portfolio in order to add a new asset class (BTC), so he might just DCA into BTC until he gets up to his target allocation - and surely there is a bit of a moving target, but if for some reason he gets a bonus of $6k, he might choose to lump sum that into BTC or maybe to divide that $6k into three parts in terms of considering DCA, buying on dips and lump sum, but since he already has a fairly aggressive DCA in place he would then consider buying on dips and lump sum, and if he is concerned that the BTC price go up, he might choose to allocate most (if not all) of the $6k to buying right away since he might consider that his DCA already covers buying on dips since the DCA will happen every week and if the BTC price dips, then he will employ his DCA at that time. and so with his DCA he is buying whether it dips or not... and so maybe after 6 months to a year, he might have had reached his target level of BTC accumulation, by at least allocating 25% of he overall investment portfolio to BTC.

So then once he reaches his target allocation he may or may not readjust his thinking about BTC or maybe he just continues to invest into 25% BTC of his investment moneys and the other 75% into other investments, and if he gets another $6k bonus one or two years later, then he is thinking about where to put such money, so his decision about how to allocate might be different after he spent a year or two accumulating BTC, or maybe he ends up getting more bullish on BTC and considers increasing his BTC allocation to a higher amount, since maybe he starts to consider what his overall salary is and whether his investment portfolio constitutes several times his annual income, then maybe sooner or later he will start to be able to live off his investments, and in that regard, he considers that maybe BTC is the better of the places to invest, and he disproportionately continues to invest into bitcoin, yet ONLY after he had gotten more comfortable with it.

Not everyone is going to figure out their BTC allocations, and many times it will take 30-40 years or more to really build up an investment portfolio, yet bitcoin seems to offer opportunities that guys are able to build up in half the time as it might take them in traditional investments, but they still have to figure out how to manage their BTC investment in terms of both building it to a good size, but also making it stable enough so that guys do not get reckt along the way, since there are ways that guys could become overly aggressive and not sufficiently protecting their cashflows and their expenses so that they don't have to cash into their BTC before they had built it to a large enough size that they are ready to want to cross into a different way of treating their bitcoin (meaning they have not only accumulated enough, they have accumulated more than enough, which justifies starting to sell it rather than accumulating it).


In bitcoin you should be thinking 4-10 years or longer.  Anything less than 4 years is just playing the market (and playing short term price waves) and failing/refusing to recognize and appreciate the power of bitcoin as a long term asset that you should continue to build, even if the first 4 years might have a lot of volatility and even in the future there will be volatility too, but if you continue to build your BTC holdings you will be in a much better place to tolerate its volatility the longer you build your BTC holding size..


That is dumb to be buying and selling BTC.. when it is the best asset known to man and you are trying to play its price waves..

By failing/refusing to mostly accumulate BTC and fuck around with short term gains, you are going to have fun staying poor with mediocre profits as compared with strategies that mostly build their BTC holdings through many years.

Yeah, I might have to figure out a way to get more serious and regular about it, since I tend to do it somewhat infrequently, and it is kind of tiring to do them.

In recent times, I have been doing them as a walking lunge so that I continue to walk and my knee barely touches the ground with each step and I tend to keep my arms out for balancing, even though I know sometimes folks will add weights, like 10 pound or higher weight dumbells in each hand, but I find them hard enough to do with just body weight.  so maybe I will do 10-20 lunge walking steps at a time, and maybe a few sets depending on how I feel, and probably if I was more consistent I could probably increase the number of steps.

Here's a descriptive article:  https://www.healthline.com/health/fitness-exercise/lunges-muscles-worked


You are posting your format wrong Ambatman.  The way you posted, it looks like you have 50 days and 50 pushups, which would be 1 pushup per day.  I know tht you are trying to say that you did 50 pushups on 4/10/2024.. but for the purposes of the table, that is not how you report.

You need to put the total number of days that you have been doing your pushups after your user name, and then the total number of pushups that you have done at the time of your last posting of your update, which the date is meant to show the last posting (or the posting of  the total number of days and the total of push ups up until that time).


Instead of editing the table, all you need to do (to get your updated information into the table) is to put your updated information in the proper reporting format.  Like this:

100k,Kwarkam,44,8800,2024-4-11

Another thing, even if half the miners closed down, which I agree with franky they are likely not going to be shutting down in large portions.  Maybe we won't even lose 10% of them, unless the BTC price goes back down to $50k or perhaps lower.  None the less, how does fewer miners affect how many transactions are processed?  The question of how many transactions for normies are being processed likely has to do with if there is any space left for them after the "higher paying" transactions get processed first.

And, I don't claim to know what might be the latests rush for blockspace that seemed to have started around Monday-ish (4-ish days ago).. and has been pretty steady since.

Of course, on my end the amount of the bet is not very much (since it is being framed in terms of a 100 to 1 chances.. so the amount is attempting to reflect that, yet on your end, the amount becomes quite significant, especially in 75-ish days the BTC price could end up in over $100k and your 0.01 BTC amounts to more than $1k dollars.. while currently mine is around $7 and if the BTC price goes down in such a way that I would end up losing the bet, then presumptively it would be less than $7 when I were to pay the bet.  .. so lopsided bets seem to have more justification for escrow.. yet I don't really have any reason to believe that you are not good for it.. since the bet does not really seem that complicated.

As we already mentioned, the odds are surely more likely that I am going to lose, but the amount on each side justifies going into the bet at 99 to 1 odds... and the main point of the bet is that I would be betting that the BTC trade weighted prices through the system of positing of DirtyKeyboard is not going to end up going below

2021-11-09  67482.752117444

prior to that November 9, 2021 date getting pushed off the table.. and yeah, by today there are ONLY 75 days remaining that the trade-weighed price would need to stay above 67482.752117444 in order for November 9, 2021 to get knocked off the top 100 table.

As far as the payment of the beneficiary of the bet in the event that I lose (which is the most likely outcome), all you have to do tertius993 is give me a wallet address and I will pay it whether it is an onchain address or a lighting address, yet I am not going to feel as comfortable paying such a low amount (of 0.0001 BTC) to a regular onchain bitcoin address if there remains such uncertainties with fees.... or if it is going to someone who had not agreed to take it, then they might consider such a low payment amount as a kind of spam (or a dust attack) unless it is getting sent to some kind of a wallet that the recipient would be sure to be able to manage such small amount in the future.  An exchange address would actually work o.k. for that kind of a purpose, yet I am not sure if there might be some exchanges that don't want to receive dust amounts.. .. but I don't know about any of them providing such minimums.. . .even though I have seen some that have trade minimums (around $5-ish, and those kinds of minimums could change with times too)..

Yeah, and waiting for lower prices might not be very good an idea.  Lower BTC prices are far from guaranteed.


The shaking also goes in the other direction, from time to time there is no more coins to shake... especially when the demand is much higher than the supply.

But yeah, sure, expect prices to drop from here when the have already been consolidating around these prices (by the way in noman's land to boot) for over a month.

Good luck with your expectations of down before up.  You will likely need it.


That is pretty dumb.

Not me.  I have only been doing a few other things besides pushups... sometimes I walk.  Sometimes I do weights and/or stretches.  I have been doing some lunges, and I am thinking that the lunges might be good since they can be done anywhere, just like pushups.

Overall,  I am likely not even in as good of a shape as you seem to be suggesting that I might be, so I had to lessen some of the other physical activities that I had been doing in order to be able to focus on being able to do pushups and sometimes our whole body can become too exhausted if we try to do too many things, especially the older we get.  

If I were younger, I could probably do a lot more physical activities, but I am not generally in that kind of place in terms of age and even certain kinds of ailments that are largely age related, and some of my last couple years I have been trying to consider as potentially "long Covid" related, even though I try to treat myself well in terms of eating good foods and getting good rest, so my dietary and resting (and overall lifestyle) activities probably are helpful, even though there are likely things that any of us do from time to time that might not be as healthy as maybe we should have had chosen.  

So I do what I can, and later down the road, I may well be able to add some additional exercises, but surely not guaranteed that I will be able to recover if I end up doing too many exercises in any one day or if I might not be able to space out the exercises enough for recovery.  I will get overly worn out or sore and I won't be able to recover sufficiently.   I have to make sure that I have recovery time between my push up sets, and so even though my recovery time seems to going down pretty damned well and so the recovery times seem to be getting better, and my quantity of pushups per set and per day have been going up too..  even though it does not go up every day nor does it go up every set either, because I have some sets that are lower quantities of pushups.

As far as quantity, the most that I have done in any one set so far is 60, and so I have had less than 10 sets in total that have been between 55 and 60 pushups, and I am trying to push those results to higher quantities per set, but many times I cannot do any more than I am able to do, so in current times, I tend to fail mostly between 50 and 60, but I had a set today that I failed at 45.. I just couldn't do any more for that set. It was my third set of the day about 1 hour 45 minutes after a set that I had done 50..

You have not figured out yet, that king daddy cornz, aka BTC gives little shits?

Holy fucking shit.. you constantly get distracted by dumb short-term news and continuously seem to be missing the BIG picture, which likely means that your wife should already be drawing upon her 401k so that you are either able to defer drawing on BTC, ONLY draw minimally on BTC or even continue to stack BTC while you spend from those various inferior sources also including your silver shitcoin, too.

You still don't see it?  After around 13 years in bitcoin and you still haven't figured it out?

Horey sheit, philip!


Fuck off with your patronizing nonsense.  Is that brief enough for uie-pooie?


Yeah, but we are ballparking anyhow.. so it makes it come off as if you may well be quibbling.. especially when you are trying to maximize by going with the 4 to 1 and even I had clarified several times that I was not even very committed to the claims, even when I first posted about the 10-1, I said that I was giving a rough ballpark, as compared with you stating that it is "at least 1000-1"

But still , I might consider some kind of compromise attempt at balancing surplus values, even though you do seem to be exaggerating a bit in your trying to lock me into 4-1 when my opinion was never very strong on that.. I was giving an off-the-cuff ballpark idea of what it might be and also even if the $47,483 were to be crossed in the coming days, that would not mean that my estimate of probabilities was a wrong estimate.. even though I was still suggesting that I might not consider them to be bettable, even if I did not see you making exaggerated claims on your own end of matters..


You are not in a position to decide what is bettable for another party, but you surely can decide for yourself, and sure it could be possible that we are not able to work out terms that each of us considers to be sufficiently bettable.. .but if I believe you are making outrageous claims, and you consider that I am making outrageous claims, just on the face of those ways of framing matters, it seems that we are in bettable territory.. even if we might not be agreeable t work out terms that each of us might be consider to be acceptable from our own perspective... why would I give any shits about your perceptions of risk?  you have to figure that part out for yourself... The same is true on my end.. .you have no need to worry about whether I have hedged my risks or whatever, and if we are worried that they other might not pay (if he loses), then we might have to seek someone to escrow the bet.


We can agree to disagree in terms of claims of waffling.


Of course, it does but we have not made any bet or otherwise taken action on our assertions besides stating them in a forum thread.. so who cares?


Not irrelevant for the purposes of planning your own situation regarding what are you going to do in terms of managing your BTC portfolio whether you are a trader or merely someone that holds on and never sells or maybe if you are still accumulating BTC.. There are a lot of situations in which you might assess to do something different that is partly based on the current price and/or expectations of future price direction.


I have explain this point enough.  Whether we agree or not or understand each other or not, it may well not matter that much, it seems that I have explained it and perhaps even over explained it to as much details as seems to be worthy of repetition.


I am not that keen on a bet, and I am getting some senses that you are being purposefully annoying.


Your framing of such a proposed bet is not very annoying.. and I am thinking that right now it is 76 days remaining, since the number of days has to do with whether the tradeweighted price would fall of the 100 day chart without having any one day below that price.

In regards to your number 6, it would almost be impossible for there to be a tie if we were to use the actual digits of the underlying data,.. since DirtyKeyboard has already shown us that the data does down to around 10 digits or



I will have to think about if I want to agree or propose any changes, but what you are describing seems to be somewhat reasonable and even bettable in the 100 to 1 sentiment... .though I might want a escrow. and DirtyKeyboard might not appreciate receiving dust (of 0.0001 BTC), if I were to lose the bet.


Part of the reason that we are looking at these trade-weighted averages is to get away from getting worked up about highs and lows, so the weighted price did not even come close to $67,483, even though the low for the day did... so anyhow fast-forward ahead and we still finished the day close to $1,500 higher... so when you had posted your earlier post, there were ONLY three hours left in the day, so most of the day's numbers had already been established by then, so there would have had to have been a lot of volume in the last 3 hours and the price would have likely needed to bounce at least a few thousand below $67,483 to bring down the trade weighted price for those last three hours of the day.

In order to get picked up, proper format is:

100k,Zackz5000,41,3900,2024-04-10


Apparently, once you started and reported in-for-duty, DirtyKeyboard won't let you quit.

He's too inclusive (or might we describe it as "tolerant."  #justsaying.


I did not intend to suggest that there is any way to prove whether members are actually doing the pushups that they are claiming to do, so largely I considered that we were on an honor system in terms of reporting of the number of pushups that we are doing, yet if the claims seem outlandish, some of us might question the claims and suggest some explanation (or further explanation) be given for claims that seem extraordinary.


Proper format is to take out the spaces.  Like this:

100k,Troytech,25,1250,2024-04-10


Do your pushups and provide a report of them in the proper format, and you and your pushups will get added to the table.


Regarding your concern that you might not be able to do 100 pushups tomorrow because you feel that it was hard to accomplish 100 pushups today. ... Maybe you should try to do 5 sets of pushups rather than 3 - especially if you believe that it is feeling so difficult for you?  There still can be plenty of time 1 hour to 5 hours between sets, of course having 2-3 hours between sets is good too. .but 5 sets gives you quite a bit of flexibility to make sure that you get in at least 100 pushups each day, even you believe that 100 might be a good and consistent goal that you might be able to reach and sustain (until all of your parts (including your wrists , or hands or whatever) become stronger).  

I still have shoulder pains, but my quantity of pushups per day and per set is continuing to mostly go up quite a bit, too.. so I don't really consider it to be overly problematic in that I consider that I am probably still growing and getting used to the quantity and the ongoing efforts to accomplish the amount that I am doing.


I got a chuckle out of this, since I believe that you are being overly nice by ONLY requiring 1 pushup.. hahahahahahaha..  to each their own.. I still suggest minimum of 10 pushups per day or you don't get to be included in the table.. even though surely you can still report your pushups if there were to happen to be some guys who are working up to get to 10 pushups per day, if any of us could actually believe that, absent some really extraordinary circumstances in terms of disability or injuries that a forum member might have.


Of course, people can report whatever they want, and there is are various ways to do modified pushups in order to make them easier, such as doing them while standing or leaning against a wall or doing them from your knees rather than from your toes or you can otherwise have your body further elevated than your feet  such as using a chair or a stool.  

If such person aspires to do full pushups, but full pushups are too difficult, they can use the modified pushups to work up to the full pushups, yet they could report the modified pushups as if they were full pushups (or course at their discretion concerning how many of the modified pushups they would like to count).

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By the way, I did finish all of my sets for today, so here is my pushup-update.

100k,JayJuanGee,66,11450,2024-04-10

$6,666 per month is $80k per year.  Of course, I am using that as a kind of entry-level, and I might have to change it later, but I think that it is good enough for now.  Prior to March 2020, I was using $3,333, which would have been $40k per year, so I doubled it, and yeah, maybe the $40k was also low, but it is somewhat considered what we used to aspire to become.. millionnaire status, and yeah now millionaire status is $2million, but I think it would be too crazy and out of touch to start to try to suggest that average normies should conclude that the minimum they need is $10 million status.

Another thing is that anyone who is getting largely passive income (absent just keeping track of the accounting) should consider that to be quite liberating as compared to having to maintain a job, yeah sure anyone who does not have a job is going to have more time to spend money, but merely having more time does not necessarily mean that the person has to spend more money, so they should be able to get some kind of grasp if they had an $70k to $80k level job at the time of pulling the fuck you lever, then they already know how to live on $70k to $80k, and yeah if they feel that they need more of a cushion than they can do that... even though surely I think that BTC's historical CAGR and likely continued CAGR is way more liberating than some folks might assume, especially if they measure it in reasonable ways (such as using the 200 WMA - rather than getting too much distracted into the noise of greatly volatile BTC spot prices - even though surely they will be selling whatever  their BTC at s[pot price, but that is also likely to be liberating since they are likely going to have cushions beyond what preferably would be their 200-WMA value measuring stick).


Yeah, if you have a higher starting point, then do what you like.

There are also guys who think that they are rich as fuck with ONLY 1/10th the amount which under traditional systems would be a $200k principle and a $666 monthly withdrawal authorization (and yeah with bitcoin they can achieve that $666 per month with even lower levels of principle like I mentioned either $80k if using 10% per year withdrawal rate and $67k if using a 12% withdrawal rate.

Come on Biodom, go with the flow, and stop quibbling about those kinds of discretionary matters that guys should be able to figure out, and yeah, I don't know what your numbers are, but you may well be causing your lil selfie to work way more years than you need to because you neither recognize/appreciate the power of bitcoin's CAGR and/or its likelihood of continuing to provide such power, even if you are trying to keep some reasonable level of cushion.. . .and yeah, I am already starting to argue that 20-ish BTC is enough to get to fuck you status.. which has to feel good for some folks, but they still have to figure out how to properly calculate it.. and subsequently how to manage their withdrawals including that if they might be nervous they might ease into their withdraws since there is going to be potential variance in how much they would be able to withdraw that goes beyond their needs in times that BTC's spot price is way above the 200-WMA, and there might be preferences (but not necessarily mandatory) of more frugality once the BTC price is below 25% above the 200-WMA.


Don't kid yourself.  You don't hardly have any BTC to spend  because you have been spending it all along.

Sure, I am not going to blame you now for wanting to spend it, since you should already be in the spending phase of your life... so you likely just have to figure out which things to spend first and why, and likely if you have other sources, of income that are sufficient, then you save the BTC for the last (or the least of your spending). In other words, it is way the fuck better to be getting your $2k per month from your 401k then to draw if from bitcoin.. by the way $2k per month is about a $600k 401k (if you are spending around 4%), adnd cif you spend that at around 4%, you should be alble to spend that forever, even though the dollar is going to be worth less and less and less, but your principle should largely stay at or more $600k so that you can continue to spend $2k per month.

In regards to drawing on bitcoin, there are way more creative ways to be able to draw more as long as you calculate it right, and you should be able to draw 10% to 12% and to still more than maintain its dollar value. ... but yeah, sure you have to get it up to a certain amount, so I don't want to give financial advices but $600k in bitcoin (valued at its 200-WMA valuation) is probably more than 4x more power than the same investment in traditional investments. ..

Of course, you have to figure out what you want to do an how you want to allocate to make sure your bitcoin are in such a good state, if all that you need is $2k per month income off of BTC, then right now likely could have right around 7 BTC as your starting point for that.. which would be a 12% withdrawal rate.. so long as the BTC price is at least 25% higher than the 200WMA.  If the BTC spot price is at lower amounts then either you do not withdraw or you withdraw at a lower rate as I describe in my sustainable withdrawal tool. ^{powered by bitmover}.. of course, you are still responsible for figuring out the details and the applicability of how to apply these kinds of ideas to youor situation.

It's nice... I like it, but you know me.. .. I cannot keep my lil mouthie shut.  

Let me number my points, just for the sake of numbering them.

1) I like the so far total of 35,635 pushups with only 7 members reporting, so far.  Really, that is not a bad total number of pushups, and it seems that there could be a
         a) average  number of days per participant box

         which would then lead to the ability to calculate

        b) average number of pushups per day per reporting member box

2) I don't mean to be a fuddy duddy, but I think that there should be a rule that in order to be eligible to be included in the table, your average amount per day needs to be at least 10 pushups per day.... we gotta aspire to at least some kinds of minimum standards.. Accordingly, bitcoin is not a shitcoin, just like our participation in this pushup activit is not participating in a shitcoin (at least it does not seem that way to me).. Hate me all you want, yet if any of the reporting members cannot even average 10 pushups per day, then let's eliminate them from the table.. yeah. .JJG the hater.... but we have to have some standards and this is a thread to inspire the doing of pushups, and in that light I imagine if we were to ask any of the guys reporting pushups so far, we would have an overwhelming level of consensus - even if we have a soft heart for guys not being able to carry out many pushups, no one is likely to say that we are being overly harsh by instituting a minimum of a 10 pushups per day average requirement in order to qualify for being included in the table.

3) having said number 2  maybe the average number of pushups per day would be a good way to rank the results.. I am not sure.. if that woul be unfair because there seems to be some kind of need for order in the table. .

4) Any member want to volunteer to go through the thread and to put the last report of each member into the proper format so that Dirtykeyboard's tool would be able to scrape it properly, and I bet we will start to get close to 100k pushups already.. maybe in the ballpark of more than $70k, even though the last reports of some guys might have been a while back.. but still... otherwise, we are just including any member who reports from here on out....

Of course, you have to choose for yourself how many bitcoin to sell, but it does seem that you are likely selling way too many bitcoin too soon.. .especially since you caould probably get to a certain stash size and then just sell 10% per year forever and never run out and also never have fewer dollar value in terms of what the BTC is worth..

So to me it seems better to get to a certain level of BTC and then if you are happy with that quantity, then go into a perpetual cycle of celling 10% per year, and sure maybe you could even do 1% per month (which would be 12% per year) if you want it to be a round number, and you will probably still be o.k.. with a bitcoin stash that is forever increasing in terms of its dollar amount.

So then the question would be how much value do you need in bitcoin in order to start?  Depends on how much monthly salary that you want.. so if you go with 12% per year then $667k would be enough which is merely 20.1 BTC right now.. which pretty much perpetually get you $6,666 per month of income.  Calculate with this.

I think that is much better than cashing out too many BTC too soon.. especially the best asset known to mankind... so you probably fucked up by selling so many.,. .. but hey whatever you do you.


For sure you have to get to a certain stash size prior to starting.. and using the 200-WMA to figure out your values.. so for sure I am thinking 10% to 12% is actually sustainable once you get to a large enough stash size.. that you are comfortable.. .. 12% withdrawal would require at least a 20.1 BTC stash size which would be a $6,666 per month target withdrawal rate... nothing wrong with starting out more conservative to make sure and also to be careful withdrawing as much if the BTC price starts to drop below  25% above the 200-WMA..  As I attempt to outline some parameters in my sustainable withdrawal tool ^{powered by bitmover.}

I am personally not in very great shape, so these have been struggle for me. .and I get pretty sore from them, but surely my strength has increased and also my recovery time has increased.

You could also imagine an old Arnold Schwarzenegger who can still do pushups or maybe some other variation of someone who is kind of doing exercises but still has quite a bit of "out-of-shapedness" to his body.


Your proper reporting format should have been something like this:

100kchallenge,Kwarkam,42,8400,2024-04-09


Your proper reporting format should have been something like this:

100kchallenge,Mayorofogba,43,4300,2024-04-09




I think that if I understand everything that you are saying, your proper reporting format should have been something like this:

100kchallenge,I_Anime,54,3482,2024-04-09


There is a big difference between 50 pushups in a set and 100 in a set.

I am not sure about the solution because frequently I try to do as many pushups as I can and the number varies and yet my failure number has been going up too. .but it still kind of gets stuck at certain price points, and I also thought that I would try to increase my max by 5 push up increments, but I have failed in that since I had sets of 54, 55, 56, 58, 59 and 60.  

And, so now 60 is my max in any one set, but frequently I am still ONLY doing 45 to 50 in a set with failure at around that point, and early I was kind of stuck on doing 35-45 in a set with mostly failure at those points and before that I could ONLY do 25-35 in a set.. but sometimes I was holding back some too... because I was frequently so sore..

So they are improving, even though sometimes I feel that I am stuck at a certain quantities per set for a while.. .I am also doing 5 sets each day, so the last 23 days have all been daily totals of more than 200, and my highest daily total, so far, is 265, and I recently did that twice... .

Of course,  if you are going to attempt to describe some kind of an unsteady or irregular income, you would attempt to describe what it is, and there might be some certain aspects and there may well be some uncertain aspects, so it usually is not going to be exactly known, especially if it is an income that happens so infrequently.

But yeah, if he knows for sure it is going to be right around $3k every 3 months, then that does allow him to figure out how much he has left after expenses, yet even expenses, may well have some aspects that are certain and other aspects that vary.  Some aspects of the expenses are discretionary and some aspects are somewhat fixed.  Housing costs, utilities and transportation might be somewhat fixed (within a small range of variability)  Food expenses might have some upper and lower boundaries, and surely there might be choices to spend a bit more on good quality food, and to cut back on eating in restaurants.. yet there still could be some variability that helps to dictate how much funds need to be held in reserves or as a float.. and surely the emergency fund would ONLY end up being their in an actual emergency rather than being used as a float or as reserves.

When the income is so irregular, there may also be some preference to hold back on any investing that it made, so maybe the person knows his expenses are somewhere between $500 and $700 per month, so that is going to leave him with between $300 and $500 of discretionary income per month, but he is afraid to spend his discretionary income until towards the end of the investment period or maybe even after he gets his next payment.. so he kind of holds all or most of his discretionary income in reserves until his next paycheck comes in.. .. Another thing that he could do is to spend $30 per week no matter what on bitcoin, so then that would largely mean that he is already making a choice, and he would have to subtract $120-ish each month from the remaining part of his discretionary income, and he would decide what to do with any of the extra when either it comes close to his receiving his next check or maybe not until the next check is actually in his hands.. since we cannot really know that we are going to have the money until we actually have it. .so we might have to keep some extra spare money, especially if our payments are so infrequent. .and even worse if they are irregular too... .since sometimes the date of payment and the amount might be uncertain.. but maybe worse case scenarios it is ONLY $1,200 every 3 months and best case scenarios it is $4,800, but most of the time, it is right around $3k every 3 months, and plans should be made around any of those kinds of particular irregularities, including that sometimes guys are able to add extra sources of income in order to help to lessen some of the pressures of the extent of the irregularities that they are experiencing.


I just recommended the opposite of front-loading.. since the pay is irregular.. Front-loading is good when you have extra cash that you know you don't need and you either have a sense that you don't have enough BTC or that the price might go up without a correction (does not mean that you are going to be correct, but you want to prepare for up and you feel that you don't have enough BTC).


That is some variation of what I said.. and that is not front loading... although I did recommend a way that a small amount could still be put into BTC but that there would be some holding back based on the irregularity of the income.


You would not have to ONLY pay 4 times every year, but I don't really disagree with you about the possibility that it might be more practical to wait until your next check comes in before you spend all of your earlier check. so then you are ONLY investing into BTC what you have left at the end of the period rather than at the beginning when you might end up needing that money.


You cannot assume that people in this situation are going to be able to accumulate more.  The main thing to assume is that the person is trying to not put themselves into an emergency situation, and they are ONLY investing into bitcoin from discretionary income rather than investing with money that they end up needing for their monthly expenses.


You can still DCA with those kinds of irregular income situations, you just have to figure out ways to budget for it.. .. so which way you end up going is up to you.  I personally like the idea of weekly DCA, especially for someone in his/her first bitcoin cycle. and surely there could be circumstances in which weekly DCA does not make as much sense, even though I do still like the idea of trying to work out budgets so that you are able to weekly DCA, especially if you are fairly new in your DCA accumulation journey.


These are the correct ideas.. You are just using the term front-loading in a weird way, but it is possible that at the end of every 3 month period, the guy sees how much income that he has left  at the time that he gets his next pay check, so if he uses up  whatever is left at that time, then maybe that could be kind of considered as front-loading, even though it is not exactly the right way to use the term.. since it has more to do with already having extra money and then buying extra BTC because of a perception of not having enough BTC and a perception that the BTC price might not dip so there is a desire to use that extra money to prepare for up.


"Hold for dear life" is a stupid expression, and it was made up by some mainstream pundits who are trying to suggest that it is risky to hold bitcoin.

Even though they are correct that it is important to hold bitcoin, I think that going along with that meaning "hold for dear life" is short-sighted and tries to spread negative messages about bitcoin.. even though the term is used with shitcoins too.. even though no one should be HODLing shitcoins, even though surely some shitcoins are going to perform better than holding dollars, but I still would not recommend them beyond 10% of the value of your BTC holdings.. and even 10% might be too much..


Exactly..

As a newbie.. stick with DCA one or two or maybe even more cycles.  After you get up to a certain quantity of BTC, you might be in a position to attempt to tailor your DCA to timing dips, but even then it can be problematic to screw around too much with timing.. until you are sure that you are getting to a point of accumulating enough or more than enough BTC.. .which you have to determine when you get to such point of having had overaccumulated BTC.

I don't know.  We talked about personality types, so some folks are going to be more willing to enter into a bet than others, but there should be a certain dynamic of wanting some kind of a surplus, especially if you can negotiate the terms of the bet, so I don't necessarily need to get the most surplus.  I only need to get enough that is comfortable, and if some one makes a statement with a lot of conviction, then it seems more likely that the bet could be entered into closer to the terms of the person with the stronger conviction.  Whether that is taking advantage of a person or not, if someone makes a statement with quite a bit of conviction, then it would seem reasonable to put them to their test in terms of if they would be willing to bet on that statement or some close approximation of that statement that might not be as extreme but still seems extreme.


It seems bettable.  I would just be a matter of agreeing upon the terms.... and the most that I have offered to agree to so far is 99 to 1.  I am not agreeing to bet on 10 to 1 or 4 to 1, even though they might be coming upon the limits of my own potential conviction on the idea and probably the current price moves causes wavering between what I consider the matter to be 4 to 1 or 10 to 1 or some where in the middle... 6 to 1, perhaps... .. but I never said I would be willing to bet on 10 to 1 or less, and even though I said that I would probably be willing to bet on 99 to 1, there might be some number between 99 to 1 and 10 to 1 that I might be willing to bet upon.. even if it were merely to be for funzies.. I would think that it would be best to enter into  something that is somewhat interesting and I perceive to be somewhat favorable to me, even though I would not need to perceive it as "most favorable" since it would be a lot more difficult to find some one willing to take the other side of the bet.. even though.. maybe I don't even really want to enter into a bet in the first place - even though I am more than willing to give my back of the napkin (or armchair) estimation of odds... and yeah, maybe if push comes to shove, the napkin/armchair estimations do not matter as much as the ones in which the are backed up with a bet.. .. although the mere fact that I am not going to bet on my "true" estimations does not mean that I am lying about my estimations, it seems to just come down to no motivation to enter into any actual bet unless there were potential surplus value involved.. as I already mentioned... especially since my conviction is not very strong.. .but if I am entering into a bet then my conviction would be increasing as I perceive the odds to become more in my favor to the extent that it is becoming strong enough to enter into such bet because I am starting to feel that it is lopsided.

Some of the behaviors of betting parallel any human buying and selling behaviors, and so you are not going to buy something unless you believe that you get some surplus value out of it, and the seller is not going to sell it unless s/he believes that there is surplus value.  If both sides do not perceive surplus value, then no transaction takes place.


You are describing it in a weird way, and the amount of the bet would be an attempt to reflect the odds, so I doubt that it matters if it is lopsided in the way it is structured because the lopsidedness is merely reflecting the odds.

If both of us believe the odds are greater than 50/50 that something is going to happen, then the ONLY way it becomes bettable would be try to bet between our difference, and since I don't claim to be any kind of bet structuring expert, it seems the easier way to capture the actual difference of opinion is by attempting to figure out bettable odds... odds that each side would be willing to take... so yeah, we have to be willing to put the amount at risk since we believe that the odds are in our favor to win the bet so we believe that we ultimately have decently good odds of winning the bet, and so it was worth it to risk the amount that was risked, and so the person who puts up less of a bet considers it better to enter the bet than not since the amount of the pay out might be 99x the amount that is put at stake so that if the bet were entered into 100 times, he thinks that he is going to win way more than 1 time.. he might even think that if the bet were entered into 100x he might be able to win 5 or more times (maybe he even believes that he would win around 10 times) , so he believes that the bet is rationale and/or framed in his favor since he is only putting up 1/100th of the amount.  

On the other hand the guy who believes that the odds are less than 1/1000, then he also considers the bet to be good since it is almost like free money since he considers that there is less than 1 time out of 1,000 that he would not end up winning the bet.  I am not sure what makes it so crazy that no one would enter into such bets if that is what they actually believe and they are willing to stand behind it.. It may just be a matter of the amount that ends up getting bet.  .. I mean would you really want to put a whole BTC at risk so that you might be able to win .01 BTC?  I did not even say that I would bet that amount, but I might allow you to put up 0.01 BTC if you are wanting to try to win 0.0001 BTC..  I think that would be 100 to 1 odds..  

I think when push comes to shove, you would not even be willing to stand behind your own probabilities of 1000 to 1, and so that is why I offered you 100 to 1 terms.  I see no reason why you would not stand behind those terms unless you think that you would be able to negotiate more favorable terms to give you more cushion.. more surplus.


Yeah sure.. somewhere between 1/4 and 1/10, and it may well be a moving target, and maybe I got too anxious about 1/4 and I really meant 1/5, and so why does it matter since I am just giving ballpark ideas and I am not really betting on them, and if there were a way for me to bet on it, then surely I could do that with my BTC buy and/or sell orders, but I almost never change any of my buy sell orders.. they are already set in some what emotionally neutral ways.  If the BTC price goes down I buy and if it goes up then I sell and I have been doing that since mid 2015.. Before mid-2015, I only had buy orders I never would sell, since mid-2015, I added in sell orders, and I have been doing it ever since... and I try to set them in emotionally neutral ways.. right now my buy orders go down to right above $20k, but really I don't expect the BTC price to drop below the 200-WMA until after 2025, and the 200-WMA is currently just over $33k,  and it historically it has been going up about 20% to 200% per year..  and right now it seems to be going up at around a rate of around 46% per year, yet since that it s a bit of a moving target we cannot really completely count on it.. even though I expect that BTC spot prices will not go below it in the next 18 months or so.. . even though surely I could be wrong, but I would be willing to bet on some variation of that prediction in a 50/50 way.. just for funzies.


Fair enough... and the total trade weighted volume is likely going to be in the mid-to-upper $69ks for today, since we ONLY have a little less than 3 hours remaining for the day to close.


Barely? we are going to close more than $2k above.. l.. so yeah maybe.. and then maybe tomorrow might be even closer.. so yeah, we are potentially in risky territories.


Of course the BTC price goes up and down all the time, and surely $2,500 does not mean as much in these upper $60k prices as it did when we were in the $6k prices.


It could go up before it goes down too..

I don't give too many shits if the BTC price goes down or dips, yet an overwhelming number of people likely need to be preparing themselves for UP rather than down, and sure, tertius993, you may well have the luxury of accumulating enough or more than enough BTC, since you have been registered on the forum longe than me.. but if you have always been waiting for down before UP, then maybe you don't have the luxury of even having enough BTC if you are always considering that the BTC price may go down, so you are constantly failing/refusing to sufficiently/adequately prepare yourself for up... so if we look at the BIGGER picture, who gives any shits if the BTC price might correct or not or that we might even fall off of the top 100 days chart.  The main question might be whether each of us are sufficiently/adequately prepared for up rather than being overly focused on downity that might not happen.. who gives any shits.. the point is to prepare yourself for up, even if there is quibbling about your thoughts that the odds for down are greater than what I might happen to consider them to be.. .and even if they go down, who cares?  Just buy more or HODL through it.. because the main thing seems to be having enough or more than enough BTC, and hopefully you are not overly lacking in that more important direction (and in regards to those more important questions).


That is right.   The odds might be higher than what I proclaimed them to be, but it still seems like a big so what unless maybe we might want to enter into a bet and if I am still willing to go ahead with 99 to 1 odds or some variation of that.. since I did not propose going into a bet for what I had considered to be more floating and off-the-cuff ideas of odds.


Yes.  I assess the same and you assess higher odds than me.  We already concluded that.


Already sufficiently explained to the extent that any of the nuances even matter in the whole scheme of things.. The ONLY time that the assignment of odds might matter would be if there might be some action that is being considered around the assignment of such odds... so right now I am floating between 1/4 and 1/10 and you are supposedly higher than 1/1,000 even though you are unwilling to enter a 1/100 bet.. so it probably shows that you are not as convicted as you are making it out that you are... to the extent that any of it even matters...especially if neither of us is planning to act upon it.. at least we have not figured out some kind of an agreeable action point, yet.


Even though largely, I said the same thing.. who cares? and are you sufficiently/adequately prepared for up.... yet doesn't it all matter to some extent?  Depending on what any of us might be doing?

It could be that tertius993 is preparing too much for down, from the perspective of some of us.. and sure he can do what he likes..

On the other hand, if a guy is planning on setting sell ladders up to $180k and he is expecting that there are decent chances that some or all of the orders therein might be filled in 2024 or even in 2025, I suppose that it could matter if BTC prices end up going down rather than up. and so the timeline could end up changing for the sales.. whether it is a BIG bull run, a baby bull run or ends up not being a bull run, and it could also matter if the weighted average drops below $67k or even if daily weighted average ends up dropping off the top 100-day chart..

Such downity could affect some folks more than others, even though many of us consider our current rate of growth to be playing out more like a coiling rather than anything to really get worried about, even if there are decent odds that we end up crossing back below the daily trade weighted $67,483 line at some point in time in the next 79 days.