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481  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CSD] SK-1024 GPU| Prime Search CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 09, 2014, 11:49:16 PM
I hold a few coins that I would deem shit.
Can't see how I can transfer these coins to a new wallet that you would be controlling when the coin itself is dead and can't be transferred any longer between wallets because no one is able to confirm transactions.

Are these coins deem beyond Shit coin status ?

If a coin is deemed shit by the community we will open a trade channel for it. If the coin has no miners and no one can confirm transactions the trade channel will go dormant. It will only send you CSD after it receives your coins. If it receives your coins after a set expiration time, your coins are returned to you. If or when the chain becomes unstuck, you will not have any issues using the trade channel. This will ensure that shitcoins stay dead and valueless.

so let's take the following case:

i have 6 mil CTD - the network works. I just send 6 mil to the trade channel. i will receive how many CSD?

Coinshield trade channels will use a highly advanced trade algorithm. The trade channel will check several factors prior to giving you an exchange rate. (value of both coins, the current buy orders of the shitcoin, as well as how many of the total supply we have already traded in and dumped, as well as a few other things). How much CSD you receive will depend on all these factors. Remember to get the best exchange rate possible you will want to be one of the first traders when the channel opens.
482  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CSD] SK-1024 GPU| Prime Search CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 09, 2014, 08:38:22 AM
I hold a few coins that I would deem shit.
Can't see how I can transfer these coins to a new wallet that you would be controlling when the coin itself is dead and can't be transferred any longer between wallets because no one is able to confirm transactions.

Are these coins deem beyond Shit coin status ?

If a coin is deemed shit by the community we will open a trade channel for it. If the coin has no miners and no one can confirm transactions the trade channel will go dormant. It will only send you CSD after it receives your coins. If it receives your coins after a set expiration time, your coins are returned to you. If or when the chain becomes unstuck, you will not have any issues using the trade channel. This will ensure that shitcoins stay dead and valueless.
483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CSD] SK-1024 GPU| Prime Search CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 09, 2014, 03:22:44 AM
Is that the old CryptoRush.in logo on your website?  Huh
I personally have only used BTC-E, Cryptsy, and Mintpal - I never been on CryptoRush. After some google searches I verified you are correct. It looks like our designer slipped that in under our radar. We will get that changed ASAP. Thank you for letting us know.
484  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CSD] SK-1024 GPU| Prime Search CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 08, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
SHA-512 ,whitch one ? SHA-2 512bit, or SHA-3 keccak 512bit ?
and is there a cpu miner for this algo?

The CPU miner will be released at launch.  Smiley
485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CSD] SK-1024 GPU| Prime Search CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 08, 2014, 06:23:16 PM
Sorry if this was already asked... but will the GPU miner be available on Launch?

how about power usage for your GPU algo ? have you done some test ?

I'm interested in this also.

Would like to know if my rigs are going to become space heaters again...

Videlicet will reply however there will be a slight delay. He has been coding and testing 15hrs+ everyday. I informed him about your posts, as soon as he takes a break he will jump on and reply.

dafuq, thought u'd launched but im guessing this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681570.0 isnt CSD

theyve just switched the name around and made it x15

That is not Coinshield. We have not launched. I'm sorry for the confusion the other coin dev. has caused. This is another example as to why the industry needs Coinshield.



486  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]CSD |SK-1024 GPU| Prime Search CPU| POS | Shitcoin Cleanup| Unified Time on: July 06, 2014, 08:00:30 AM
Coinshield launch date has been pushed back a few days so Videlicet can finish testing. The new date is 7/11 at noon (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time. CLICK HERE for countdown. The following was added to the OP:

CSD- Unique Features

The following features are unique to Coinshield and were created by Videlicet.

Upgraded Hashing - 1024 Bit Block Headers/ 512 Bit Core
Coinshield was built to be secure. CSD is the first coin to upgrade from a 256 bit to a 512 bit core and a 1024 block hash.


CSD Unified Time Model - Synchronizes Clocks Worldwide
Miners can no longer try to gain an unfair advantage by manipulating their clocks. No more "your wallet is 2 hours behind" error. Wallets will always be on the correct time, regardless of your clocks settings. CSD Unified Time Model keeps your clock in sync to the second no matter if your clock is off by 5 minutes or 5 days.


CSD Fractional Rewarding - Prevents Inflation / Locks Distribution to Timed Release
No more instamine! Goodbye HUGE multi-pool profits! CSD Fractional Rewarding bases block reward off of the block time when the chain is producing too many blocks. This will keep the Coin Distribution Locked to a Specific Time, which means no matter how many blocks are made, coin supply will remain on target.


No More Block Reward Halving
Coinshield was designed to have longevity, and be a stable container for wealth for many years to come. This is why coinshield block reward will never half over night. CSD follows an exponential decay model, which follows a curve to ease shock to market. It will be mineable forever, with minimal inflation of 1% after 10 years.


The First Multi-Channel coin with POS
Coinshield has a CPU mining channel, a GPU mining channel, and POS at a 2% Annual Inflation (2 Week Age, 2 Year Limit).


SK-1024 (New GPU Mining Algorithm)
Skein-1024 hashed to Keccak-1024. Skein was the second runner up in the NIST SHA3 competition. Together these two algorithms are highly secure.


Prime Search (New CPU Mining Algorithm)
This channel looks for very large prime numbers from a 1024 bit hash. These numbers can be as large as 308 digits. It uses a fractional difficulty proportion to adjust the difficulty. This will help number theorist in proving/disproving conjectures concerning prime numbers.


Shield Target - Target Difficulty from Chain Time and Block Time Proportions
Coinshield has it's own difficulty targeting system called Shield Target. Shield Target will provide Coinshield with a smooth increase and sharp decrease in mining difficulty. For the GPU mining algorithm Shield Target uses two variables:
1. Giving Block Time
2. The Chain Time

The first variable will tell you how far off target that one block is, the next variable will tell you what block the block chain should be at. If the height of block being created is less than the target chain height, that block will be at a lower difficulty to stimulate more block production. This will bring chain back to its target. If chain is too far ahead of target, it will have larger difficulty increases to increase their block times and get the chain back on target (for specifics see code at launch).

For the CPU, Shield Target works by getting an average of N block times which will determine what the difficulty should be adjusted to. The prime numbers found will have to fulfill a proportion of Fermat Remainders of (2 (2n - 1) + 1) and ((n - 1) / 2) + 1) / 2 which makes larger proportions *rare* to find. The second factor taken into account is the size of the 1024 hash. This is done by taking the difference between largest 1024 bit number and prime number to account for larger primes requiring more computing to produce.
487  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: July 06, 2014, 01:56:56 AM
I really don't think this concept can work fairly. It's so ripe for exploitation.

How exactly do you see this being exploited?
488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: July 05, 2014, 11:32:35 PM
I donīt like the idea of sending you my shitcoins for coinshields knowing that you are gaining BTC from that.

I would prefer that the CSD would be emitted through a Proof of Burn of shitcoins.

BTC gained from your shitcoins will be used to build buy walls for Coinshield. All transactions will be public. We will show a history of our buy walls on our main site (coinshield.io). You will be able to track your shitcoins from our system, to an exchange, to btc, and to the buy walls. If anyone dumps on our buy walls the CSD generated from that will go into our shitcoin trade channels as a secondary  funding source of CSD to ensure we can continue trading without interruptions (waiting for trade channels to replenish themselves).

I hope this makes the process a bit clearer.

~KryptoKash
489  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 30, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Is there IPO or premine?
There is no IPO and 0 premine.
490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 30, 2014, 08:48:37 PM
Hey,

Would you implement something similar to what the Minerals coin did to avoid big farms and multipools reaping all your coins from the start just to dump all of them the next day? What they did is limit the hashrate per user, and their coin could only be mined on their pool during the PoW stage. They didn't release the wallet until PoS stage to avoid solo mining.

It resulted in Minerals having 25 GHs at the start compared to 100 GHs for other recent coins, even really shitty ones such as Hodorcoin, which proves that 75% of the miners are professional dumpers, big farms or multipools targeting new coins for a quick buck and not caring at all about the project.

It also resulted in Minerals being well spread, with a high price and large volumes on exchanges (100 btc+ in a few days).

Cheers

+1

big farms and multipools really do ruin cryptos, especially the ones that are new. They get pummeled and then dumped on the first exchange it makes it on. Fair distribution through hashrate limitation is great, especially if your coin only has a limited PoW period anyway.

Videlicet has created his own time-based distribution. This effectively makes coinshield multi-pool proof. Anyone jumping on with a big hash-rate will receive fractional block rewards (based on block time) until difficulty corrects itself. This will prevent multi-pools from profiting off mining CSD.
491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 28, 2014, 08:29:01 PM
Thank you for taking the time to outline your observations. Most of them have been addressed throughout this thread. If you have any specific questions please ask and I will be happy to answer them.

~KryptoKash
492  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 28, 2014, 12:49:25 AM
I like the concept (mainly because I'm a dev for an innovative coin) but something like this could go very wrong in many ways, mainly because it could and probably will be used as a blackmailing tool. Another scenario devs should be very carefull about is attacking scam/gimmick copy cat coins with big communities behind them because those coins will easily manipulate the voting results through sheer numbers ... just saying.
All innovative coins can receive Coinshield Verification. Once verification is given the coin is immune from destruction, and through that it is protected against forgery; this will prevent Coinshield Verified coins from any risk of being blackmailed. By the way Coinshield will work, any future coins that clone a Coinshield Verified coin will have a trade channel opened upon verification of forgery. It will be difficult for anybody attempting that stragegy to have any sort of gains.
493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 27, 2014, 02:44:03 AM
Fortunately, there's an exit, a re-framing of the process to invert the control, allow coins to petition to be rescued. The petitioners are making the categorisation and if the CoinShield process works as expected, investors will press for petitions to be opened, there will be competition to get a petition accepted, arguments will be more focused and effective, voting will become a popular contributive activity. And when CoinShield later subtly repositions itself to become the first to offer insurance to altcoin operators, no-one will be in the least bit surprised.

I'm thinking devs would create shitcoins just to get rescued, something like insurance fraud...
still, a very interesting idea

If Coinshield succeeds (and becomes a standard, )security seal or something like that, probably the new shitcoins will never have any value, or really low value to be rescued. So won't worth the work to create/market a shitcoin. But it could lead to more elaborated scams...

I think this is a great idea, but will only work if more people get in and support.

Quote from Videlicet about this very topic:


This could work - but the only way to "prevent" is not by eliminating possibility, but by making the profits of such a scheme minimized. The way this can be done, would be through the channels. Let us say that coin X is verified by Coinshield Community, and coin Y clones it. Coin Y will have an exchange channel opened, because coin X community noticed the forgery. Coin Y having been newly launched will not have much value in the Coinshield Channels [because it is a case of forgery, and has no longevity as a coin]. This will deter such acts, for in order for anyone to make any sort of money with such a scheme, they would need to make an innovative coin [in order to survive forgery scrutiny, build a value, then destroy with profits]. This is the expense for profits, for why would anyone spend time to innovate just to petition their own destruction? [let alone be able to convince the community that this innovation needs to die].

As a community we can work together to create an environment of decency, respect, and quality.

EDIT: slight restructuring / rewording after last proofread

~Videlicet
494  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 25, 2014, 10:25:08 PM
This community can be so depressing at times.

This entire scheme is inherently flawed and anyone who actually took the time to read the concept and understand it would see that.

Should I really dissect your whole plan? I don't want to spend all that time so I'll just point out one major flaw.

You can't "kill" a coin, you can only let it die on its own. If you take action against a shitcoin, you will only end up inadvertently helping it.

Case in point:
Quote
→Shitcoin sux, you tell the world it sux, its price starts declining because of your magical super powers.
→People start selling you their Shitcoin, you destroy shitcoin. As you destroy more of that shitcoin, you are increasing its scarcity.
→Shitcoin isn't worth much when there is 100,000,000 of them... but after you destroy 50% of its money supply it then becomes a hell of a lot scarcer, and consequently a hell of a lot more valuable.

More so, many shitcoins are PoW. Even if you destroyed 100% of the available market supply, there are more coins coming out every day. By reducing the market supply, all you are doing is making them more valuable. This in turn has the opposite effect of killing them, in fact it makes them even more sought after.

The only thing you can do to truly kill shitcoins is to educate the people, something not so easily done as can be seen by America's senate, republicans, theists and America in general.


This plan was not properly thought out.
As you are continually adding more coins to your own market supply the only shitcoin decreasing in value will be your own
.



In our OP we state: Destroying a coin in the following context means to reduce the coins value to a minimum, and keep it there.

As for creating scarcity and increasing the value of that coin you are correct. If coins were remove from circulation that is exactly what would happen. This is why Coinshield does not do that. As mentioned a few posts above this is how the system works:
Thank you for your input on the algorithm, I will pass it over to Videlicet. When the community chooses to use the kill feature of coinshield, it will work as follows:
1. Community passes a petition.
2. Coin is then added to voting.
3. The coin with the most votes gets a trade channel to open.
4. Via the trade channel, Coinshield is exchanged for that coin.
5. The coin is then automatically sold.
6. BTC generated from the sale is then used to build buy walls.


This will effectively keep the value of a coin to a minimal. Coinshield will not only kill its economy, it absorbs it.

This process will prevent the shitcoin from ever gaining value.
495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 25, 2014, 03:47:09 PM
copy paste of MASTCOIN, the Coin Recycler, the latest innovation from the MAST team (public beta) Grin Shocked Roll Eyes

http://recycle.mastiffcoin.com/ -public beta working
http://mastcoin.co/vote - vote coin to recycl

As mentioned above:
Coinshield will have multiple mining algorithms (CPU+GPU). It will be POW+POS. It will have its own mining algorithms. It will have its own difficulty retargeting algorithm. Coinshield offers to protect the hard work of developers via it's Coinshield Verification process (see op for more info). These are just some of the new features that were created for this coin. All will be listed prior to launch.
Far from a copy and paste coin.

 
Edit: As for our shitcoin system, its purpose is to kill shitcoins. Mastiff's coin recycle system is an anonymous transaction mechanism, which allows you to convert any coin to MAST from your wallet or on the website. This has nothing to do with absorbing economies, or protecting certain (depending on how the community votes) coins source code (see Coinshield Verification in OP for more info).
496  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 25, 2014, 03:42:49 PM
This is just a what if, what if someone watches your voting and moves in advance of your action. Like buying all the coins on the market. Then selling them off for a premi?
Our exchange algorithm will prevent that. Coinshield trade channels will use a highly advanced trade algorithm. It will take into account several factors, including value of both coins and the current buy orders of the shitcoin, as well as how many of the total supply we have already traded in and dumped. As we dump more of the coin it will decrease in value and the BTC that is generated will be automatically used to build buy walls (increase CSD value) which in turn will cause future trade in offers/value to be lower then the ones prior. If someone bought all the coins on the market our trade algorithm would not accept so many coins in 1 transaction, allowing it to offer a new trade (lower) price for the next transaction. So while they make some profit they will lose overall, and the coinshield community will win via the buy walls that were created from someone attempting such a scheme. The community will win as well (one less shitcoin).
497  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 25, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
little change and this is a new coin, was Deletecoin --- became Coin Shield,  how it hard!!! Grin
I'm not sure what Deletecoins full specs are as their site is down. Coinshield will have multiple mining algorithms (CPU+GPU). It will be POW+POS. It will have its own mining algorithms. It will have its own difficulty retargeting algorithm. Coinshield offers to protect the hard work of developers via it's Coinshield Verification process (see op for more info). These are just some of the new features that were created for this coin. All will be listed prior to launch.

I like the idea of this coin.

We really don't need half of the coins out there. The nomination idea, is similar to how many DDOS groups operate.

I have some hash rate i'll put in for this.

I am up in the air about algo though. I like GRS because my equipment runs cooler. But having some scrypt asics on board would sure help to kill small hasrate coins. Or am I misunderstanding how the "kill" process will work?

is the plan to mine and dump or fork the block chain?


The nomination process doesn't interest me as much. Just put it to a vote. You could even make people pay with coin to vote so the system doesn't get abused.
Thank you for your input on the algorithm, I will pass it over to Videlicet. When the community chooses to use the kill feature of coinshield, it will work as follows:
1. Community passes a petition.
2. Coin is then added to voting.
3. The coin with the most votes gets a trade channel to open.
4. Via the trade channel, Coinshield is exchanged for that coin.
5. The coin is then automatically sold.
6. BTC generated from the sale is then used to build buy walls.

This will effectively keep the value of a coin to a minimal. Coinshield will not only kill its economy, it absorbs it.

As for the voting abuse we posted this earlier:
Good question. We decided on the following spam filters to prevent abuse (we are modeling it after Mintpal):
We will require a login, Signup requires email confirmation.
Only 6 votes per hour.
We will be implementing certain bot detection checkpoints.I can't  list them, I wouldn't want anyone to find them and attempt to bypass them.
In addition to all this we are considering checking the users latest forum activity. If no posts were made within the last X days the system would not allow that user to vote. -Do you agree with this check?
What do you feel X should be in the voting check above? Also, If we got rid of the petition process (as you suggested) who would decide what coins are added to the voting system?


498  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 24, 2014, 11:31:35 PM
I was using one of the suggestion that was given:
"1. A coin is an exact copy of another, besides name."
I will edit the above post to include both suggestions.

EDIT:
If anyone else wants to define what a shitcoin is please post.
499  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 24, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
This is something I have been pondering since this coin was announced.  Is this really going to help the crypto community?  I mean, how is one to be the deciding factor of what coins out there are destroyed?  This talks about killing communities and work that others have done, essentially crushing businesses that other developers and their communities have built.

I get there is a lot of garbage out there that needs to die off, but who should decide that?!  Somebody has to lose for this coin and it's community to gain.  I'll admit the theory behind all of this is quite intriguing, but I guess it almost seems like a god like thing to be able to judge who lives and who dies.

We are creating Coinshield (just the coin itself) to have many features not found elsewhere. Our coin is not simply a copy and paste coin. In the next few days we list all the features in the OP. No one has to  lose for this coin to gain.

We included the option for the community to destroy coins using us as a platform(if they choose to). Coinshield could essentially never kill a coin (if no one petitions and votes). Also, we are protecting the hard work and communities of multiple coins via our Coinshield Verification program (see op for more on this). Most shitcoins are copy and paste coins, or the coin dev. changed only simple things such as block reward count and block time. In both cases no hard work was put into them. Now as for our system, it is set up in a way so no one person is the deciding factor. We require petitions to gain support, and even then the coin needs to win the majority of the community vote in order to begin the process.
500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Multi-Channel | POW+POS |CSD Verification on: June 24, 2014, 06:15:52 AM
What's the usage of this coin? Any innovation of this coin?

The usage of this coin is outlined in the OP. A great deal of discussion about this coin and its functionality can be found within the first few pages of this thread. If you have any specific questions or suggestions please don't hesitate to let us know. 
Thank you

~KryptoKash
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