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481  Other / Off-topic / Interesting spread betting case on: June 01, 2012, 12:44:57 PM
Online bookie can't scoop £50k losses made by 5-year-old. High Court rules the website contract terms were unfair

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/31/high_court_rules_against_bookmaker_in_online_betting_losses_case/

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A man who blamed his girlfriend's five-year-old son for making loss-making trades in expensive natural resources through his online betting account is not bound by a term he agreed to on the bookmaker's website, the High Court has ruled. The term stated that an accountholder is deemed to have authorised all trading made under his or her account number.

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Spreadex based its claim on a clause in its contract which meant Cochrane would be "deemed to have authorised all trading under [his] account number," a report by legal information service Lawtel said.

However, in rejecting Spreadex's bid for a summary judgment, the High Court said that the clause was not legally binding because it didn't form part of a binding contract and was "unfair". Spreadex was not able to show that Cochrane entered into a separate contract for each trade made via his account and as such the company's general contract applied.

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This is an odd case," gambling law expert Susan Biddle of Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind Out-Law.com, said.

"It is hard to see how companies can incorporate general terms into future contracts with consumers – unless this case can be distinguished on the basis that the problem here arose because of the total exclusion of Spreadex’s liability in contrast to the consumer’s unlimited liability. If Spreadex had accepted some liability and/or capped the consumer’s liability the contract may have been deemed binding," she said.

"I would not advise businesses to purse summary judgment applications where contract terms are disputed as unfair and the reasonableness of them is at issue, especially when it involves a consumer," Biddle added.

I know Bitcoinica screwed up in lots of different ways but at least this never happened.
482  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a Currency - Etsy Labs, Brooklyn - May 14th on: May 15, 2012, 02:20:02 AM
So, did anyone go?
483  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin Camming Site on: May 14, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
There is a girl on now called Amanda. She is legit, she touched her nose after we asked her to.

For 1 BTC she has promised to do something that will make us blush  Grin
484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is NOT a Currency - Etsy Labs, Brooklyn - May 14th on: May 13, 2012, 09:14:04 PM
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But is it actually a currency? Kenneth Bromberg, lead programmer of Bloomberg's foreign exchange platform, will explain what actually makes something a "currency", why Bitcoin doesn't fit that definition, and why it therefore doesn't trade on the global currency exchanges.

These so called experts really piss me off. With Bitcoin there are no theories or abstract definitions, only practice. In practice at the moment Bitcoin is being used as a currency. You can use it to buy all sorts of goods and services. Therefore to a certain group of people Bitcoin is a currency. End of story.

485  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin is NOT a Currency - Etsy Labs, Brooklyn - May 14th on: May 13, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
Bitcoin is NOT a Currency

Etsy Labs Brooklyn, May 14th 7pm

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Nerds LOVE Bitcoin. It's technologically and cryptographically fascinating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

But is it actually a currency? Kenneth Bromberg, lead programmer of Bloomberg's foreign exchange platform, will explain what actually makes something a "currency", why Bitcoin doesn't fit that definition, and why it therefore doesn't trade on the global currency exchanges.

http://www.meetup.com/BK-Tech-Talks/events/55386052/

Would anyone in the area like to go to this and counter any FUD this guy comes out with?
486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mentioned in FBI criminal complaint on: May 03, 2012, 11:26:55 PM
News report on the arrests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17913139
487  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin mentioned in FBI criminal complaint on: May 03, 2012, 11:22:04 PM
This is the FBI criminal complaint against the guys who allegedly wanted to attack something somewhere

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Wright_complaint_affadavit_050112.pdf

page 6, article 27

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During this meeting WRIGHT and BAXTER talked about getting the Anarchist Cookbook but that they have not downloaded it because they do not want to be tracked online. The group then talked about a computer program you can buy for fifteen dollars a month that keeps people from tracking you on the Internet. They discussed using pre-paid debit cards or anonymous online accounts that use alternate currencies as a proxy for real dollars like "bitcoin" accounts to buy the program without leaving a traceable financial trail. BAXTER explained that he has a friend who is a hacker and can transfer paper money to bitcoins. He stated that you need some proxy to do it and both BAXTER and WRIGHT tried to explain how the bitcoin system works

I wonder if Baxter and Wright ever posted on this forum  Undecided
488  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Two Bitcoins at the Price of One on: May 03, 2012, 03:04:19 PM
I came across this paper on Twitter

"Two Bitcoins at (sic) the Price of One? Double Spending attacks on Fast Payments in Bitcoin."

http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/248.pdf

Their strategy is to cheaply double spend a coin by using friendly hosts to spread the malicious transaction. They've shown it to work without being detected for approximately 10 seconds, enough time they believe for you to run away from Starbucks with your coffee.

Is this really a problem for fast transactions? I've used fast transactions (Bit-Pay, Coindl and Bitcointorrentz) and they already cautiously wait for around 10 seconds before confirming payment.
489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins first funded horse (via GLBSE) first race! on: May 03, 2012, 12:54:41 AM
I don't know where it finished but it didn't win unfortunately.

http://www1.skysports.com/racing/results/full-result/495619/evangeline-downs/03-05-2012/maiden-claiming
490  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-04-26 ars-technica: Coinlab gets $500,000 funding on: April 26, 2012, 12:58:51 AM
Questioning the feasibility of the Coinlab venture is fair enough but dismissing the potential returns of every Bitcoin project is a ridiculous thing for the professor to say.

Imagine the buzz if SR did an IPO on the GLBSE.   
491  Bitcoin / Press / Re: NEW articles in Press Forum on: April 26, 2012, 12:31:13 AM
2012-04-26 ars technica: Coinlab gets $500000 funding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78099.0
492  Bitcoin / Press / 2012-04-26 ars-technica: Coinlab gets $500,000 funding on: April 26, 2012, 12:28:34 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/coinlab-gets-500000-in-vc-for-bitcoin-related-gaming-startup.ars

Same as the other stories but a quote at the end from an "expert" in the payments industry needs to be saved for posterity  Cheesy

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"Frankly, it makes no sense to me. But that doesn't mean its wrong, just that it makes no sense to me." wrote Ronald J. Mann, a law professor at Columbia University and an expert in payment systems, in a Wednesday e-mail sent to Ars. "The idea that they're going to get a VC-like return in bitcoin-based projects [is ludicrous]."
493  Bitcoin / Legal / European Commission Payments Committee on: April 19, 2012, 06:11:54 PM
Saw this tweet while searching for Bitcoin

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Michal Kisiel ‏ @finnovation
Got surprising message - European Commission Payments Committee asks for opinion on regulating #bitcoin

Has anyone else been approached for an opinion? I couldn't find a list of members for this committee but a closely related body called the Payment System Market Expert Group is full of Visa/Mastercard/Paypal "experts"

http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/payments/docs/psmeg/psmeg_nominated_public_en.pdf

More info here

http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/payments/advisory_groups/pc_en.htm
494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] BitInstant’s New Website! + BTC-E and Bitstamp! on: April 04, 2012, 12:55:35 AM
I don't know in what jurisdiction you live, but in my country, this man has every right to say abso-fucking-lutely whatever he wants.

Which country is that. I want to move there. I hate libel laws and I want to escape from them.
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/news/top-stories/16100-libel-law-violates-freedom-of-expression--un-rights-panel

That still wouldn't allow you to say as you please without consequences. Even if libel was decriminalised you could still be taken to court for civil damages.
495  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] BitInstant’s New Website! + BTC-E and Bitstamp! on: April 04, 2012, 12:28:59 AM
I don't know in what jurisdiction you live, but in my country, this man has every right to say abso-fucking-lutely whatever he wants.

Which country is that. I want to move there. I hate libel laws and I want to escape from them.
496  Economy / Economics / Re: Real transations vs. miners/pools/speculators? on: March 29, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
I'm not sure why you're separating Silk Road from other people who pay for goods and services

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.............another larger portion by Silk Road, and the rest (people actually paying for their goods/services) would be a very small portion. Like a hand full of transactions.

Like it or not Silk Road is a huge part of the Bitcoin economy and it's going to stay that way until drugs become legal or go out of fashion. Have a look on the Silk Road forums if you want to estimate the amount of business they are doing.
497  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: March 29, 2012, 01:08:58 AM
Interview with former Harvard President and US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers

http://www.technologyreview.com/business/39962/

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Conceptually, money can exist without a central authority. The United States only got a central bank in 1913, and we were a country with a functioning economy before 1913. There are also private issuers of things that function very much like money—think about Crimson Cash here at Harvard, or American Express traveler's checks.

Bitcoin is one of many innovative technologies that are going to seek to take friction out and provide services to people. You can make a priori arguments about how it will work very well, and you can also raise concerns a priori. And I think if we know anything about new technologies, you just have to wait and see what happens in the marketplace. Everyone thought New Coke would be better than old Coca-Cola and take things by storm, and [former IBM CEO] Tom Watson thought there was only demand in the world for 10 or 12 computers. And so I think history teaches that you can't really forecast which kinds of innovations will ultimately become networked and get to scale.


I can feel a change in the way that media is treating Bitcoin. It's not so long ago that Paul Krugman said Bitcoin was a bad idea and now we have a big shot like Summers saying that Bitcoin is "innovative". It's only a matter before some Wall St hotshot starts to publicly pump Bitcoin!
498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, regarding advertising bitcoin... on: March 15, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
I like the phrase the "Open Tender". Referring to all crypto-currencies as open tender might make people curious to learn more because the phrase is so close to something they already know.
499  Other / Off-topic / Alternative to Bitcoin called Blinky Blinkies? on: March 13, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
Can someone from the University of Ottawa give more info on this story.

http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/local/article/1122713--student-in-battle-with-u-of-o-over-his-currency-proposal

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A University of Ottawa student was found guilty Monday of escaping lawful custody in April after he ran away from campus security guards onto an OC Transpo bus while handcuffed

He was charged with mischief, breaching the peace and escaping lawful custody, but the first two charges were dropped, he said.

The judge in his trial heard about his “Blinky Blinkies” — a form of currency similar to the Internet-based currency Bitcoin — because security guards testified that he was throwing them to a crowd of students when he was arrested.
500  Economy / Services / Re: UK Food Shop - Gauging Interest on: February 28, 2012, 01:17:06 PM
Give us a few examples of what people could buy.
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