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481  Economy / Economics / Re: How to make a win-win situation for both government and digital currency ? on: October 03, 2017, 11:12:49 PM
Nope it wont happen because the two ideas you are talking about are literally contradictory in nature. One looks to centralize and control money supply whereas one looks to decentralize and not control money supply. Please

tell me how these two opposing forces can work side by side in harmony? I dont see it happening, atleast for sure anytime soon.
tax. people must give tax to government (other says). but it's likely win solution for one side only, i'm personally don't want to be taxed. They are kidding me, bitcoin created to avoid something like bank and tax.
Maybe we can look to japan or other countries who legalize bitcoin. they let people use bitcoin, no tax, but have some rules to follow (still give problem to anonimity of bitcoin user). Also hear japan will create J-coin and dubai have Emcash, that's way they can still get benefit from cryptocurrency
482  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Banyak para bitcoiner yang terkecoh isu scam coin di chat room vip,jadi gelisah on: October 03, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
Chatroom exchange dimana2 ya emang jadi tempatnya propaganda. promosi ini itu atau tebar ketakutan udah pasti ada.
Makanya gak usah ditanggep serius yang di chatroom, anggep aja omong kosong
483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Fork on: October 03, 2017, 02:25:25 PM
I'm curious to see how many "Bitcoins" will we have in like 10 years. 20? Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Dark, Bitcoin Gold, Bitcoin Dark Cash, Bitcoin Dark Gold, Bitcoin Dark Gold Cash ... I'm just still missing other cool coins, like "The Real Bitcoin", "Bitcoin Classic" etc.
Anyways, only Bitcoin will survive in the long run.
hahaha
now bitcoin become too big, too popular, of course some people who have power will try to take the name of bitcoin, for their own purpose.
major community still love the original, and i hope will always like that
484  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Where do you see Ethereum Dark(ETHD) price in one year?? on: October 03, 2017, 09:12:46 AM
Sorry but what advantages it has? Tor? I see about ethereum dark in last week but i just feel they only add "dark" to make it sound cool.
Too much dark, bitcoindark, litecoindark, dogecoindark. will see ethereumlight soon
485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XVG - VERGE hodling? on: October 03, 2017, 07:46:51 AM
I dont understand why the owner's of such coins makes a giant supply of their token, it is unreliable, i dont get the point of making them be more than ten billions, what are they trying to do? is this a marketing strategy or they are only developing a coin to make it worth less than a cent of dollar?. I like this coin, and i can see it going up a lot, because it entered the top 100 very quickly, but i doubt that it will get much attention, since the price is so damn ridiculous.. less than a cent..

it is dogedark. Doge is fun but seems verge dev's take it serious, so he create dogedark, fast cheap plus anonimity, useful for tipping. Just look at @vergetips on twitter.
The price will always remain cheap, but possible will higher than current price
486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Fork 2 ? on: October 02, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
First Cash, Now Gold? Another Bitcoin Hard Fork Is on the Way
is it TRUE?

This is basically just another trash altcoin. This fork is nothing compared to Bitcoin Cash fork on 1 Aug. Bitcoin Cash had a major party (Jihan and friends) backing them. These guys control a considerable amount of network hash rate, that was why a lot of people worried about a possible economy split. Thank God it didn't happen.

While this Gold fork, who's behind them? They (the dev team) also have said they have nothing against current Bitcoin Core development. This is exactly just another mainstream altcoin.
2x supporter claim that 2x is what bitcoin must be, according to satoshi idea about it. Bcause they said this core is backed by government.
Whatever, it's good to get free coin. what i know is all coin beside bitcoin is altcoin.
I only want to know who will win and get 1000 btc in bet between Roger Ver and Charlie Lee
487  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Cryptocurrency itu bagus... Tetapi... on: October 02, 2017, 04:51:42 AM
Waduh gila itu di depan pada diquote semua, dibaca gk y kira2 Grin
ane sih setuju gan apa kata nte, bitcoin emang gk cocok jadi mata uang terutama karena volatilitasnya itu.
Klo menurut ane, sebenarnya kalau bitcoin itu, yg dibilang revolusioner adalah sistemnya (blockchain). Y pokoknya gitu lah agan tau sendiri kelebihan sistem blockchain.
Sedangkan bitcoin itu cuma sebuah produk. jadi misalnya bitcoin (produk) hancur, gk masalah karna kita udah punya mesinnya (blockchain), tinggal bikin produk baru adj (koin lain).
Dari awal bitcoin emang fungsinya cuma jadi alat transfer nilai, tapi karna terlanjur bisa diduitin dan semua orang suka duit, akhirnya fungsinya bisa sampe ke investasi Grin liat adj tuh koin2 baru, yg katanya cryptocurrency malah jadi barang dagangan Grin
sekedar uneg uneg pada dunia cryptocurrency Grin
488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEW DEVELOPER TAKE OVER] - DISCUSSION NEW DEVELOPER HANDLE OR TAKE OVER on: October 02, 2017, 04:26:42 AM
whose the developer take over the project ? any name or team ?
(afaik) they are taken by community and ICO investor. Not really know about piecoin but xtrabytes team is recruited from its community, anyone can join the board as long as you have something to offer. better to visit their ann thread


supply quite high
supply no matter if compared to the tech it has. i don't know yet what the price will become, it is still in development. But i know it'll be higher than current price (4-5xx), just waiting when its network fully built and worked and/or when listed on bittrex
(but it's up to you)
489  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: DARIMANAKAH KOMISI DALAM TRANDING BITCOIN BERASAL ? on: October 02, 2017, 03:57:17 AM
Kalau bikin pertanyaan yang jelas gan, tuh ada yg ngopi setengah lebih
490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEW DEVELOPER TAKE OVER] - DISCUSSION NEW DEVELOPER HANDLE OR TAKE OVER on: October 01, 2017, 06:02:15 PM
whose the developer take over the project ? any name or team ?
(afaik) they are taken by community and ICO investor. Not really know about piecoin but xtrabytes team is recruited from its community, anyone can join the board as long as you have something to offer. better to visit their ann thread
491  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: apa sebab nya kerugian saat trading.? on: October 01, 2017, 05:38:40 PM
Apa sebabnya bisa rugi sewaktu trading ya? Kalau menurut saya sih, mungkin karena agan hanya melihat merahnya di market saja, tidak cek harga terakhir koin tersebut sebelum turun, dan perkiraan minat pasar dengan koin tersebut. Mungkin agan butuh sharing2 lagi dengan yg lebih pengalaman.
nah betul gan, mau beli bagusnya emang kalau lagi merah, tapi jangan sembarang merah langsung dibeli,
harus cek hal2 lainnya juga. kan bisa adj itu sebelumnya pump terus mau balik ke harga normal. Asal beli y opitnya juga asal2an, bisa sering loss.
492  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEW DEVELOPER TAKE OVER] - DISCUSSION NEW DEVELOPER HANDLE OR TAKE OVER on: October 01, 2017, 12:42:43 PM
Only know two, there are piecoin and xtrabytes, both taken over months ago. worth looking for, especially xtrabytes. It has new concept but still in development and no whitepaper yet. Both price soar high after take over. but don't take my word as investment advice, research by yourself
493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO VS IPO on: October 01, 2017, 11:08:28 AM
IPO or Initial Public Offering is a movement where company are introducing their product on the market also can be refer as Initial Product Offering.
ICO or Initial Coin Offering where company are raising funds to develop their on going project. They have product but not totally made or finish thats why they use ICO to fund it. Also know as Crowd funding.


Not true what you are saying. How do you else explain that facebook did an IPO 8 years after launching facebook.... It has to do with going up on the stock exchange and not about offering a product....
also ICO is not like a crowdfunding. Yes maybe both are same, people put money into unfinished product. But in crowdfunding the product, project and creator is more clear and most ICO going scam. someone post thread on bitcointalk about his/her coin, then people starting to invest but after the dev get money he/she can just take the money and leave his project without further development. ICO is more like donation
494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ban in South Korea on: September 30, 2017, 11:45:51 PM
They ban ICO (and margin trading? from what i read). I didn't see down price, mean it's good (what they did is really good i think). Cryptocurrency will have healthier grow, no scam ICO stealing people money.
Then, will Japan ban ICO too?
495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Altcoin Trading Truly Profitable on: September 30, 2017, 11:16:10 PM
For all of your die-hard Altcoin traders out there, share some input on your experiences or strategies you may have implemented/utilized to find success. I myself have had my fair share of dumb luck (knock on wood) but i'm interested to hear what some of you legends have to say.

I've tried, but I can't make the magic happen though. I'm either on a small loss or a very small profit, on the altcoins I've invested. They should be quite profitable though, because on some pumps I see gains of 200% on the last 24h, and that is just huge. I never managed to gt anything like that though. Maybe I'm not good enough, or maybe it's just a matter of luck.
bought ltc at 0.017, and now it's at 0.013. Don't have any choice beside hold, maybe for years. Big coin never gave me big profit, small coin does (3x and 10x Wink ).
200% is huge profit but also has big risk, i prefer to buy in health grow. Also i think big pump only happen for one time, 200% on last 24h mean you won't see any pump for a week or month
496  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pernahkah agan membeli "sesuatu" secara offline menggunakan bitcoin ? on: September 30, 2017, 02:57:05 PM
setahu ane kalo beli via bitcoin itu secara online   Grin

Oh ya senior,, bagaimana kalau kita misalkan kita memesan barang pada situ aplikasi belanja online seperti lazada, shope, travelok dan Banyak jenis lainnya, apakah kita selaku memberi Bitcoin boleh membayar dengan menggunakan Bitcoin senior ?
Mohon penjelasannya gan
weh gak bisa gan, malah mungkin adj mereka gak tau bitcoin apaan Grin
tapi kalau jasa order di situs online shop kek bukalapak ane kenal orang satu dua yang bisa terima pembayaran bitcoin, ane juga lagi kumpul2 nih mau beli hp pake bitcoin Wink
497  Economy / Services / Re: Electroneum Signature Campaign.{CFNP} on: September 27, 2017, 11:00:34 PM
Dear Sir,
My account upgraded to Full Member. Please update me in the spreadsheet if a slot is open.

Thanks
me too. Will update sig code and wear avatar
498  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How much should I invest so I can buy back if the price goes down? on: September 27, 2017, 10:57:25 PM
You still have another day to make big profit. I had bought all-in and ended up loss because the price goes lower or i lost moment to sell and dump started. Then i must wait again for days or weeks.
Now i always split my money when buy a coin. I won't go all-in unless i very very very sure the price will goes up
499  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and september 30th on: September 27, 2017, 08:21:36 PM
china issue is gone, i think no more bad news will coming out. chinese exchanges closing in 30th Sept won't have big impact to bitcoin, we already faced big dump. now just move forward, continue to normal trading or hold it's up to you, just leave china issue behind.
nothing will happen, my thought
500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: My First $100 - Here are my top picks, help me out. on: September 27, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
you search about short term high risk high reward, i'll give you info about vergecoin xvg.
Wraith protocol soon, will listed in binance, hitbtc, nakamotoX, and changelly created poll for listing xvg or dgb.
Active development, worth enough to look at
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