I find that response to be so weak as to be unworthy of further repeat of what I already wrote. You didn't even address my logic.

Do you really believe your interpretation makes much sense as compared to the one I presented?

If yes, I can only sigh.

generalizethis, if we both agree as you first stated that art is a message.

Why is it that you pigeon-hole it to be only a message driven by the artist and not also a message driven by the commissioner of the art and the audience for the art?

So simple minded.

May I ask born and childhood where? I will reciprocate. I was born and raised up to age 15 in New Orleans (and vicinity as far as Baton Rouge).


I have already addressed this and apparently you are unable to comprehend what I wrote. I have written the explanation several times, so how could it help if I write the explanation again. I entirely disagree with your slanderous (erroneous) summary.

Again you don't seem to understand science. For example, if I want to detect a bacteria in my body do I always have to show you a copy of the bacteria, or can I look for an immunoglobulin marker that indicates I have developed antibodies to that bacteria.

You are so simple minded.


Why are you so incapable of measuring scale? Do 110 million passengers per year pass through any one of those locales. Duh. I already wrote to you:

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And don't you think you would grasp the significance by now? Yet still you don't. It is extremely frustrating how slow you are to grasp my points. It is as if you have a built in defense mechanism which prevents your mind from opening wide enough to grasp a point-of-view which is different than your own.


And how many times have I told you that his meaning was never important. The only meaning that is important is the impact on the 110 million people a year who see it and the way it causes discord and discomfort to so many Americans, and that so many people can see globalist multiculturalism bullshit being rammed down our throat yet again.

I have no problem with this artist making these murals for a small town museum or art gallery. Can you read? $5.2 billion dollars. This was a huge public works project. Nothing like that happens without the political wheels being greased and this of course means the elite are involved. Are you just oblivious to reality?


I don't agree with your assessment. I am much more careful and logical than these bozos who throw around crazy theories with no rational support.


I don't give a fuck what some artist paints for himself. He is not painting for himself. He is painting socially and politically to seen by up to (future capacity of) 110 million passengers per year. I don't blame him. I blame those in charge.


You seem to have a problem with distinguishing art and political-economics. Check back with me after you've learned the difference.

Edit: I see clearly in the image a united nations forging a peace. That is multiculturalism and globalism. If the artist had some other intention and he knows that people are walking past very quickly, then he is not doing a good job of conveying his intended message. Again you have a problem with distinguishing between the responsibility and the art. You are protecting art for art's sake, but that was never my problem with this incident. There is lots of art going on outside the fewer number of significant structures that put up for the public en masse. You think the art for a $5.2 billion project is done benignly as if the people in charge do not even care about the content and let the artists portray what ever the artist wants to. Hell no. You are delusional if you think that. Just go try sometime to actually produce art for a major institution and learn something about reality. Have you stayed on your sofa your entire life? Hmmm, let me see if I start painting murals of the overthrow of the USA government at the Denver airport will they let me continue for 3 years 

You moved the goal posts as I stated you would.

First you tried to argue that the "2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity." was directed at a small number of survivors that needs to improve their fitness and diversity. And now you move the goal posts and argue that the statue is directed to the long-term. But by then, there won't be any need to "improving fitness and diversity" and in fact the only way to limit population is to destroy fitness and diversity.

There is no way to make all the inscriptions congruent with either of your two interpretations (and you need to choose one). If you argue that inscription #2 is for the short-term and the rest are for the long-term, my prior post pointed out that such information would be useless (of no added value). There is no way to make your interpretation fit.

After your logic has blown up, you resort to the senile old man defense rather than just admitting your interpretation fails to be congruent.

Reading the account of the meetings with "Robert C. Christian" he was not at all senile.

You are conflating any pockets of developing Malthusianism in the 1970s with an orthogonal nuclear holocaust issue. I don't remember any prominent TV programs, interviews, documentaries, and even magazine articles that were relating the two. The globalists no doubt would want to conflate the two and use it as another excuse for world government. And it always comes back to my interpretation which is who ever created these statues was expressing globalist aims. This wasn't some non-evil plea to guide humanity with realistic advice. It is insane advice. Can you disagree?

Yeah I see that clever twist linguistically, but...

We are telling people who are trying to survive to think about finding each other over a scorched earth planet and focus on diversity of their reproduction and to form a world court, when in fact these people are going to be most concerned about finding food and water that is safe to consume.

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.

You are very linguistically clever (which coincides with your multi-lingual programming language skills), but context is where this falls apart.


What does that have to do with people struggling to not perish after a nuclear holocaust.

Okay let's say you move the goal posts and argue that this monument is directed towards later after humanity has sufficiently recovered, but then your fitness and diversity interpretation no longer applies.

Also it doesn't make sense to me from another angle, which is people are naturally driven to reproduce with fitness and diversity. Women are into hypergamy and they love to fornicate with outsiders (the bad boy look). Men will travel far for new vaginas. No statue will ever guide human's natural motives in reproduction.

The only possible point of a statue in this case is to foist some top-down dogma and control on nature, which thus only makes sense in limiting what is natural.

Also the following does not fit your interpretation in any way.


That specific number has nothing to do with a nuclear threat nor recovery, unless one takes that as the number of likely survivors, but then the other inscriptions conflict.

And this is another reason why the Great Pyramids are tied into configuration with the Georgia Guidestones and the Denver airport to form a pentagram star. The Great Pyramids have features that deal with the alignment of stars. If I remember correctly on the pyramids has a feature where a certain star shines right on the casket at some key interval. The Georgia Guidestones also have feature where a certain star can be viewed from a portal at intervals (but wasn't implemented well) and were the light that shines on the base through an aperature can supposedly be used as a calendar.

Again this is all circumstantial, but in life everything is relative. We look for a preponderance of evidence as support.

There is something important near the end of this post.


The cold war was sold to us by the global elite as a battle over ideology (communism vs. capitalism), so reducing the population wouldn't have anything to do with battle over ideology. Nobody was talking about the population as the reason for Communism in the 1970s.

If rather than the looking at the popular view at the time, you assume the creator of the inscriptions was aware that wars are actually due to the global elite using conquest to reach their aims for profit and control, then again reducing population would have no impact.

Any way, (after recovering from my initial depression about it and thinking more deeply on the issue eventually) I was never much concerned about nuclear winter because I realized the global elite had no incentive to use that option unless they were totally threatened and wanted to risk going into their bunkers in order to cleanse the planet but even then that would put them in a much more risky situation than any other options.

Thus nuclear winter was always just propaganda (used to scare the people into BIG military spending and BIG government) and was never going to happen. We might have limited use of nuclear weapons again though (they've allegedly built many bunkers in Colorado).

I am sorry I must say frankly you are grasping at strings. I see no reasonable logical support for this explanation.

We could just as well say that world government would reduce the propensity of nuclear war and that would actually have more credence. And then we are right back to my interpretation again.

I understand that you are thinking it could be a monument that would remain standing after a nuclear holocaust which would guide humanity towards a more perfect existence and thus avoid future conflicts. But again this only really makes sense in the context of some more reasoned world government overseeing the world which is again just the same as my interpretation. I don't see any distinction.



Ahem, smaller populations suffer from reduced fitness and diversity.

You are forgetting that feminism and birth control was really gaining full steam in the 1960s and 1970s. The boomers were into adulthood.

Nuclear war is so far from the literal interpretation of "guiding reproduction wisely" that had relevance at that time.

I am sorry but I think you are way off mark here.

The Fermi Paradox is the only interesting part of your post for me. It is an interesting paradox to contemplate. I assume you've heard of Roswell incident.

I thought of several reasons for the Fermi Paradox, and one of my favorite candidates is why can't we be aware of bacteria with our naked eye daily even though there are trillions of them we come into contact with daily. Why do we assume that our means of measurement is the only reality that exists. The Universe can simply be what we perceive it to be, yet there may be infinite other simultaneous perceptions (realities) that we are not aware of.

The math would go something like this. And I think this is very profound so pay attention. Calculate the probability that another lifeform would spontaneously form in the same reality dimension as ours. I think we would find that given the infinite possibilities, that the probability is astronomically small. And thus the Fermi paradox is solved. Something I should try to formalize someday perhaps.

Another one is the one that says this proves that God created man and Earth as the center of the Universe. The math above would support this interpretation within our perception.

The implications are quite profound. Thanks for making me aware of that paradox.

(Edit: I see someone worked on that math already, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Inflation_hypothesis_and_the_youngness_argument)

I also like the explanation that if we are comparing the probabilities on millions of years of timescale, yet we humans have only been recording our history accurately for less than 2000 years or so (afaik, there are hieroglyphics that seem too show interaction with aliens but is this accurate enough?), then the probability that we would have been visited among all the other stars available within that short window of time is probably very small. The vastness of space works against the Fermi paradox as well. When you work out the probabilities of the number of stars those lifeforms could visit, then there doesn't seem to be a paradox any more and this may be the more simple explanation than my more grandiose one above.

(Edit: I see my explanation above has also been presented already:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Intelligent_civilizations_are_too_far_apart_in_space_or_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#Human_beings_have_not_existed_long_enough)

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Edit: another reason the nuclear holocaust explanation doesn't fit is that the Georgia Guidestones have attributes dealing with astronomy. And the creator has said he visited Stonehenge before commissioning them. These aspects have nothing to do with the nuclear holocaust interpretation. These are type of interests, such as belief in astrology or in Armstrong's cycles or the periodic visits of aliens.

OROBTC, I told you already in the past that the Russian oligarches were put into power by Larry Summers. Antony Sutton documented how the banksters controlled all that has occurred in Russian history since the Bolsheviks. Why do you still have this fantasy that Russia is doing anything for any other reason than a pre-planned world war designed to bring about the coming world government.

The multiculturalism is being forced by design so as to bring about the politics for the world government.

Everything that is happening is totally scripted. The banksters create all the wars. They always have.

It is all so obvious. Why are people so willfully blind to it?

We are transitioning now into the rapid acceleration of their plans. Talk is cheap.

I do not understand how I can explain to your 3 or 4 times that manipulation of the artist has nothing to do with whether the images at the Denver airport portray peace through SYNCHRONOUS united nations (meaning all countries must simultaneously be at peace and holding hands in unity), which is about as unrealistic as it gets, unless you have some catastrophic event which can bring the nations to their knees under a world power. And that is exactly what the images portray.

I have told you 3 or 4 times already, that whether the artist was coerced has nothing to do with it. I never asserted he was coerced or manipulated in any way.

I have also explained to you 3 or 4 times already that in his own words the artist said he was commissioned to paint only one mural. But he ended up painting for 3 years. Apparently someone is charge agreed with the qualities of his work and allowed him to continue for 3 years.

As I documented up thread, that person in charge also confirmed in his own words that the Freemasons provided the capstone and time capsule and he himself was married to the ambassador daughter of former oilman billionaire. And they both had a very extreme activist globalist aligned stance on social justice, world peace, etc.. So the conditions were perfectly fit to commissioning a style of art which would depict some globalist "solution" for world peace.

Did you ever even bother to think about where these people's bread is buttered? Think about their motivations to be activists. Think about their psychological markup.

I have stated it could all be a coincidence in this case. Or it could just be the natural coalesce of the devolution of civilization at this stage (where you have a deluded artist who was mistreated as a child by white Texans with a childish unrealistic fantasy of world peace via benign nations and the synergistic deluded globalist person in charge and the synergistic cult-aligned, secret-society Freemasons).

But if you had the contacts that I have then you've know things such as how the Birch Society and the Freemasons are pushing Agenda 21. I have a contact who has all the internal documents. There are some things I don't talk about in public. Do you not know this system has watchers in every community in the USA. The upper echelons of these societies are paid to make sure Agenda 21 is rolled out. That is another potential reason why you see that school board in the former post totally ignoring the angry parents (they are very likely secret society members and know where their bread is buttered). Or it could be they are just be the cultural devolution that bigtimespaghetti mentioned up thread.

Once you have tied a lot of information together, then it becomes crystal clear what the truth is. I urged you up thread just continue in your blissful ignorance and hubris so you can reach your destruction which is coming soon.

For example, I know for a fact that the downed buildings at 9/11 was premeditated demolition not caused by the impact of airplanes. But why should I bother to explain again why, when I have done it in the past and people are too lazy to remember or research. You are going to believe what you are going to believe, and I am not going to be able to stop you from your own self destruction via hubris and ignorance.

Do you really believe you live in a world where the elite are not about to totally fuck you   Then why are you in this thread? Please go else where to the threads where they talk about Bitcoin to $1,000,000 next month.

Really I am growing so weary of your lack of reading comprehension. Please stop.

If you would like to continue civil and cordial discussion which includes not forcing me to write the same damn thing more than 2 times, then I am very willing to continue discussions with you.

Also you have this religious trigger inside of you that resists information that you label as "religion" or "conspiracy". You rationalize to yourself that this makes you more rational. But in fact, ignoring information makes you less rational.

On the Denver airport issue I did not assert what I did not prove. Quote me if you can find an exception. I challenge you. I never said that the Denver airport absolutely is proven to represent an overt action of the global elite.

What you don't seem to understand is that I am looking at the issue holistically based on volumes and volumes of information I have analyzed over the years. You see an inkblot, and I see a potential marker. Do you understand how fuzzy logic works?

I do understand the Shannon-Nyquist sampling theorem and aliasing error. Do you?

Again we are not talking about some random art. We are talking about the $5.2 billion most important, modern, and advanced airport in the USA. We are showcasing ourselves. And what are putting there? Do we have images of American heritage? No we bastardized America by hiring deluded immigrant artists who painted and sculpted absolute disgusting images and sculptures. This is a violation to the average real American synonymous to the TSA putting its hands down our pants every time we want to traverse through an airport. These globalists are pushing multiculturalism down our throats.

The man in charge tries to explain the name "New World Airport" as a benign choice. Hell no! It is a disgrace to the traditional conservative American. We want the "John Wayne" airport with images of our heritage such as Pilgrims and the migration West in horse carriages, etc. The name implies carries the globalist theme, no matter what excuses come out of his mouth.

You lack a cultural foundation of understanding because you are not American.

For those who don't know about the way the public primary and secondary (through high school or grade 12) system is funded in the USA, my understanding is that in most (if not all) areas it is primarily funded by property taxes, and perhaps secondarily from some of the sales taxes (similar to the retail sale with a VAT) and perhaps some funds from the Federal government.

Thus the angry parents couldn't just pull their kids out of the public school in protest without still paying for the public school.

I believe it was former POTUS Ronald Reagan in the 1980s who had proposed school vouchers where one could use it to fund the school of their choice, but of course this was defeated by the liberals who said it would be unfair and unequal.

The native American indians typically didn't own land. So I relate their nomad quality to my point about how enabling the Knowledge Age on the internet has the potential to bring us full circle. A native person doesn't want to be tied down. Commonly they think of themselves as a bird, free to fly. A true story is that when the government built them houses on indian reservations, the first inclination of the indians was to put their farm animals inside the house and sleep outside. Even Geronimo said on his death bed that he wished he had never surrendered and had fought to the end (because he was caged in a public display case instead of free to roam and sleep under the stars in the desert). I've used that a bit of motivation sometimes when I feel like surrendering.

My point is those parents are already invested in their property and jobs. They can't easily pull up their roots to fight.

This dysfunctional system can only die as the economy collapses taking property values down, but then what is more likely is they will raise property taxes further raising the level of angst.

This is the devolution of the West due to socialism and the unwillingness of collectivism to grant individual choice and empowerment.

I believe we have to go grab our rights using technology which the collective can't touch.

I much improved my environment over the past several months. None of the mold or anything. My gf cleans and airs out the house too frequently. 5 year old house. Nothing rotten, no odd smells. I spend most of my time on the 2nd floor. Concrete construction. The only thing I could say is too much time indoors without natural sunlight and on the 24" flat screen. But in the past weeks, I had made an effort to get out in the sun every day and exercise.

I really don't think it is any of these corner cases.

Based on my symptoms and all that I've read, I think it has to be either irreparable gut dysbiosys such as toxic bacteria in the gut that can't be eradicated. Or it has to be some chronic infectious pathogen because I have moved numerous times and even had this condition when living with wide open windows at a cool, fresh mountain house in 2013. There were other theories presented to me such a prions that reproduce, but I didn't find strong clinical literature support implicating those in M.S. but rather in cancer.

So if it is former, then I might be able to get some diagnostic tests for that in the Philippines. And the Austrialian doctor who treats those with fecal transplants does a antibiotic therapy first. And if the latter, then the diagnostics aren't here and I don't have the funds to go out of the country.

So my current thinking is cautiously try the antibiotics, then later I can always follow up with stool testing. And if necessary as a last resort try fecal transplant(s). Perhaps home administered if I am desperate enough. It is possible the antibiotics could eradicate the gut dysbiosis (instead of making it worse) and/or any chronic bacterial pathogen. I did massive AHCC therapy in 2013 and 2014 to try to eradicate any virus I might have.

Other than that, there is basically no documented cures for M.S. other than the few obscure cases of claimed diet cures (but even Terry Wahls was also medicating and her diet was antimicrobial). I received some other strange suggestions for cures in private messages such as certain chemicals, etc, and I haven't tried to find clinical support for those (wild goose chase and limited time to follow all the leads). I am basically sticking with what ever is reasonably documented to have worked for some as a cure and has a reasonably cogent basis in fact.

It would help of course if I had a spinal tap and if I could PCR test for the bacteria implicated. I see that as a luxury that is not realistically available to me. I wouldn't even trust a Philippine doctor to do that spinal tap procedure on me and I strongly doubt that PCR test is available (maybe in Manila, maybe, but that is where the often recommended St. Lukes butchered my eye ... perhaps Makati Medical Center but I wouldn't expect it to be affordable). It is of course possible I have OND (other neurological disease) and not M.S., yet my symptoms are similar to those described for M.S.. I certainly have neurological dysfunction.

The one practical suggestion from this post for general readers of this thread, is stock up on antibiotics while you can and refigerate them for long-term storage. They could be invaluable as this global crisis envelopes. Your problem in the Western world is how to buy antibiotics without a prescription. I think some online pharmacies in India can service you (but don't hold me responsible for your local authorities). Remember the author of that essay about what was valuable during the Yugoslavian war and antibiotics were more valuable by weight than gold. Prick your finger on a rusty nail and potentially die if you don't have antibiotics.


Coincidental timing as I was just thinking about you while I was downstairs taking my dinner and I was also thinking I wanted to make post about our misunderstanding. Of course what happened is we let a small miscommunication flare up.

I've been extremely desperate lately and I have been swinging my bat wildly at any theory of health, trying to find something which could liberate me from this relapsing cycle that I've been in. I am so limited in the availability of reliable diagnostic testing that could help me from my current location. Last night I tried to go get an IV without being admitted, and I was told no hospital nor clinic could administer me an IV to re-hydrate me without admitting me and taking control over my health choices. The Philippines has changed so much and is becoming like a Western country, except the standards of care are inferior. I was told I couldn't buy antibiotics without a prescription (which was never the case in the past) and this has coincided with the introduction of universal health insurance in the Philippines (PhilHealth) so once again the corruption of the medication system is underway here. I still find ways around for the time being and was able to buy antibiotics at a clandestine pharmacy in a "rough/unlit neighborhood". Some of course would argue that self-treating with antibiotics is risky not only for my health but also for community health. I could write much about this, but that would be another long discussion and potential to create more miscommunications.

Any way, luckily while out seeking a clinic, I suddenly lost the olfactory aversion to the smell of food and got hungry and thirsty, so I ate noodle soup and drank Gatorade and have felt much better after a deep sleep (and I noted the deepness of the sleep was quite intense and I didn't wake up fatigued nor wake up prematurely as I nearly always do...insomniac). But I can't yet speculate on the outcome of the ongoing doxcycline except to note I seem so far to be having the effect that the author I quoted described which is that mentally I feel great yet the other M.S. effects remain such as numbness below the knee. This was the expected first effects. And I did have what appeared to me to be an intense Herxheimer reaction (almost delirious) when I took 200 mg in the same day yesterday, but just briefly and then it cleared.

So of course I could have handled this discussion in more understanding manner and more helpful in trying to help us reach understanding. But I was really moody and I guess I probably felt you didn't appreciate that I was in the midst of very turbulent and dangerous health condition. And I can understand that it is really difficult to understand how someone could go out and have a great 2 km run in the tropical hot noon sun and then 2 hours later be wallowing in pain. This is definitely a strange illness.

It seems more logical to suspect an infectious agent. I have tried many experiments with diet and I don't seem to be making any significant headway. I get myself all excited when I feel stronger for a few days, but then invariably I come crashing back down in the blink of an eye. Extremely strange.

I understand that you are very grateful for the health cure that you received. I am sure I will feel the same if ever I find something that cures me.

I feel I have been going to extremes lately because of my desperation. So perhaps by being moody with you, I was expressing subconsciously some of the disgust I have with my own behavior. Imagine looking at yourself from the outside and realizing you had become something which you feel you are not. When something I planned to do on Monday such as buy vegetables, doesn't get done until Thursday, because suddenly I was bed ridden. Soon the TODO list stacks up so far back that you look at yourself and how desperate and extreme you have become out of necessity. You try to hang on to your methodical scientific methods, but in the face of having insufficient data to work with. Very frustrating.

Perhaps I felt I shouldn't have to expend so much energy to communicate something, as a manifestation of my own frustration with my falling further and further behind of my life.

My theory on the antibiotics is that I am so desperate on this point and I need to try something. 97% of M.S. patients were measured to have that the genetic marker for that bacteria in their spinal fluid (at least for the small sample done in that one clinical study). And apparently clinical research has shown that bacteria is not removed by a single antibiotic (mono) therapy. And there is a patent on attacking the 3 life cycles of that strange bacteria using triple antibiotic therapy. That bacteria behaves more like a virus in that it must invade a host cell in order to replicate (but it is a bacteria because it has its own genetic machinery apparently).

It is a long shot and I risk further screwing up my gut bacteria. But an infectious agent seems to make more sense to me. I never had these kind of health problems most of my life. I was a sudden shift that coincided with chronic exposure to sick people.

And at this point, I don't have much to lose and everything to gain. I am at the end of my rope (Western civilization collapsing and I am not able to work and nearly bankrupt). So again I apologize also for letting my frustration leak into my patience in terms of communicating clearly with you.

You are cured. I am still fighting for the moment.

Edit: I saw this about personality changes for those suffering M.S.:

http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/personality-change.html

(highly recommended to read that if you want to understand potential personality changes in M.S. or Alzheimer patients. My conjecture is I've been trying to fight that effect but it isn't easy to keep up the energy level and will power in face of the declining performance and TODO list stacking up)

Very notable from that linked page is that my gf always comments that my skin smells sweet and fragrant.

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Edit#2: I don't really know how to say this, but that is really amazing the post you made. I am humbled that you did that. Definitely shows I was wrong about you and can induce a feeling of guilt in me. Thank you.

I realize my grandiose theories about empowering individuals doesn't seem to provide an immediate resolution nor alleviate fears about the potential horrific impacts of the refugee crisis starting to accelerate now. And also now with WW3 apparently about to be launched from Syria as USA/NATO has given Turkey the permission to shoot down Russian fighter jets and is warning Russia to stop bombing.

Europe is committing suicide by advertising that it will accept all refugees. I think that is essentially bigtimespaghetti's point. I don't think it is necessary to involve IQ rather just the fact that Europe is importing a clusterfuck of multicultural conflict and people that won't assimilate, in the same month that Germany's industrial production collapsed 4% in one month.

But I think both of you need to step back from your argument about what is just, righteous and fair, and be more sober. We are facing a very challenging future. And we all better start figuring out how to individually empower ourselves and our family and stop thinking about the clusterfuck that can no longer be stopped.

Again I would be preparing my exit plan from Europe for sometime over the next couple of years and rapidly divesting any investments there.

In my particular case, if my health isn't fixed in a matter of weeks, I am royally fucked. (continuing antibiotics. The diarrhea stopped last night after 3 doses of 500 mg of Metranidozole, and I ate noodles and drank Gatorade. Withholding more comments until I have more results if any from taking doxycycline. I am not being religious about this, I was focused on diet, but if the miracle of modern medicine's antibiotics is what I need, then so be it. I speculate I am too unhealthy due to some unknown reason or pathogen to handle the raw milk. It seems just about anything can send my gut into disarray. Maybe diet has nothing to do with my problem.)

I guess you are thinking why not keep the status-quo of the current nation-states and not move forward to a world government and united nations.

Change is a constant.

The entire concept that gives them power is I assert (and many others have also explained) the power vacuum of organization of society. Someone has to fill that vacuum and be in charge, else we get disorganization. Who ever doesn't amass more power, gets eaten by the one who does. So the natural trajectory is towards a single power at the center. Of course this is entirely inconsistent with a free market (as I explained up thread yesterday that no top-down controller can possibly approve each of the billion trades per day in real-time), so it also requires megadeath (just imagine a single authority in charge of everything including whether you can brush your teeth or not assuming any economic value can be extracted from control over which toothpaste you use). Btw just as an example of how ridiculous the power vacuum of collectivism can get, I read that in some municipalities in Germany men are not allowed to urinate standing up in apartments, because the sound can disturb the adjoining tenant. (if you are thinking that is not an economic issue, then research more on the economics of feminism)

Juxtaposed to that trajectory, we also know that technology can enable more degrees-of-freedom so that individuals can self-organize. This can cause power vacuums to evaporate. An example would be in the agricultural age humans would have to go to war over land resources, but in the internet age many people are quite productive without having any appreciable land. With the dependence on land eliminated from the individual economic freedom, the requirement for government to protect and manage land disputes disappears. I am specifically thinking of the Yugoslavia conflict which was predominantly a land conflict manifested as multicultural conflict since the land grabs were historically land grabs by cultural groups. Take away the economic importance of land, and the youth on the internet will probably ignore their historical tribal conflicts as being irrelevant (as I read is increasingly the case but I don't know if yet prevalent enough to forestall another outburst of conflict as the global economy turns down).

Very well summarized. I concur. Not only schools, but of course include media, the way culture spreads out, social acceptance, economic opportunity, etc..

It is very true that the activists genuinely believe what they are doing is correct, just, righteous, etc.. They haven't consciously made a pact with the devil. Even politicians lierationalize to themselves and say they are doing a job that necessary for the organization of civilization and that the dirty money is necessary otherwise the next guy will take it and beat you in the election (and they are correct!).

As far as I can fathom, any fundamental change comes from a change in paradigms, which as far as I can see only is instigated from natural events (e.g. Black Death) or technological innovation. I don't think there is ever any purely enlightenment or informational induced change in human civilization.

Btw, when you recently wrote sympathy for refugees I felt a dissonance with you, because refugees implies the recognition of States (nations). Otherwise a refugee is simply someone down on their luck migrating from one town to another to find a new opportunity. I believe true peace and prosperity can only come from individual empowerment and no reliance whatsoever on concepts which require a border and a State.

You were indoctrinated into this sympathy for refugees because you at one time were escaping from poorer area to the more affluent Europe. But realize if there was individual empowerment, you wouldn't have needed that State reliant crutch in the first place!

That is my noble goal. Isn't that fundamentally why we are here in crypto land? (other than speculation to get wealthy)


This clusterfuck is an artifact of nation-states and collectivism stomping on individual empowerment.

Let's cut right down to the generative essence and get busy on that.

You raise a very important point that I hope I can make very clear.


Most revolutions and mass movements have been funded and/or infiltrated by the banksters. Start with Antony Sutton's research which is on Youtube. Perhaps there are exceptions where the people really did express their individual sovereignty without the need for a leadership which could be infiltrated by the elite. Pilgrims?

The banksters are saying, "you dumb shit cows are getting what you deserve because you can't organize yourself  individually and you need us to organize the united nations because tribalism failed".

They are speaking what they genuinely believe to be the truth. But they have been deluded (some claim by Satan). They do believe they are responsible for managing the Industrial Age, and they are correct!

They are warning the masses of their fate should the current system continue unabated, which they entirely expect to be the case, because they know that humans can't act individually.

But I believe they are also wrong assuming the Industrial Age paradigms will carry forward into the Knowledge Age. Humans only need technology to do so (e.g. self-publishing on the internet as we are doing now). And why do you think I want to work on crypto technology.

(Whether in the case of the Denver airport that is just a coincidental outcome or an overt one is indeterminate with the limited information available to us in the public domain)

I believe the global elite see the corruption in governance as a necessary cost to pay for their control and the resultant management of the tribal cows who would be constantly at war otherwise in their view.

Often I think all my words are really silly, because the elite (as I assume they intend) are correct in a way. I foment the theory that only technological innovation might render them irrelevant and incorrect. And you know I would much rather be working than talking (if I shall be granted that wish).


AnonyMint already covered the overwhelming physical evidence. I tire of repeating myself.

Start here and dig:

ae911truth.org

(some of my research on 9/11 comes from beyond that one source, such as Armstrong's official letter from the SEC confirming that all the tapes he had of the banksters manipulations of the markets which had been confiscated by the receivership on his court case where admitted to be destroyed on 9/11 at the Twin Towers. Also specifically find the explanation that the NIST model on the collapse of building 7 is implausible.)

And Taguma's beliefs meshed with the payer and thus he was allowed to paint for 3 years instead of the initial 1 mural which was commissioned. Whether this was coincidental or overt is indeterminate.


He is really smart advocating peace via nations whose primary raison d'être is war. Humans are so easily deluded on this truth and the lie of democracy though.


I didn't need to disagree with his statements in any of the theory I presented. You are constructing strawmen.


Carroll Quigley apparently made this argument in Tragedy and Hope (I didn't read the entire book) that the elite should be more open about their plans since these were thought to be the natural outcome of civilization and the organization of man.

I think it doesn't take much intellect to understand why the elite operate with some obscurity. Your point is why even reveal or boast anything if not to go all out and reveal that they control all the central banks, own all the government leaders, etc. (not asserting you think they have that alleged power)

So what is your point? They want to boast, warn (as part of their doctrine that the dumb cows chose their destiny), prove they can make a cathedral in public view with their power, yet they don't want to risk complete disclosure. Seems quite rational to me.

Then you have someone like Armstrong who argues they control NYC but not Russia nor China  


Well, well is it no surprise that we have no such smoking guns for 9/11. Yet taken all the evidence holistically, you'd have to be complete nincompoop to say 9/11 was carried out by 9 guys who rode camels to the airport and hijacked planes with box cutters. Of course the details are more serious, but I am just exaggerating to illustrate the incredible resistance to learn the truth.



You really don't read my posts carefully. I was not arguing he was manipulated. I never needed that for my theory to hold.

As for the bankers involvement in Denver, it might just be a coincidence. But we do know the Freemason were involved. And I think it is alleged that highest ranks in the Freemasons are aligned with the global elite.

Whereas with the Georgia Guidestones (which was part of my original post on this topic) were clearly not done by some unfunded artist. The person who commissioned them is well described to be a white haired man in an expensive suit who sent money from numerous banks around the country. And only two men ever met him in that context and one of those men is dead. The other has sworn to bankers secrecy.

Why are you in an ego battle with me? Did I make you feel insecureinsulted. (that is not a question)

Why do you assume I will not respond to your other questions later?

Why do you read only what you want to read and then accuse me of stances which I specifically refuted in what I wrote? You see your emotional leaning.


Did you forget that I wrote yesterday that I don't want to throw away information and throw out the baby with the bath water.

How do you manage to ignore all the correlating data that has been presented ad nauseum. Who funded the 1992 Earth Summit? Who started the failed League of Nations? Who donated the land for the United Nations building in NYC?

Yes there is plenty of documentation of Rockefeller's foundations funding feminism, environmentalism, human climate change, etc.. How much data do you want to be drowned with? Go read AnonyMint's archives. That will keep you busy for some months.

Well actually very peculiar as in pertinent (definition #2).

pe·cu·liar
adjective
1. strange or odd; unusual.
2. belonging exclusively to.

I suppose I would have noticed that too once I had gotten around to looking at the image (especially in a higher resolution) again. Been too busy just responding to the posts here in this thread.

Again this is just more globalist delusion that peace comes from nations, when in fact significant war comes from nations. And the imagery espouses that peace can only come by all nations together synchronously, which is another United Nations Rockefeller delusion that is being rammed down our throat. The exact opposite is the result of granting more power to collective. It is when individuals can economically move forward with their own individual degrees-of-freedom, that war becomes implausible.