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4881  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ultimate Bitcoin Privacy - Discussion on: March 17, 2023, 07:54:10 AM
I just think it's difficult to find at least 3 trusted members of the community willing to be part of the multi-sig and run a signer.
Would that mean manually approving every withdrawal?

There's a complication: considering recent events, being directly involved in any form of coin mixing could mean legal problems. Since you're looking for trusted and thus well-known people, I doubt they'd want to risk that.
4882  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ChipMixer.com has been seized. on: March 17, 2023, 06:38:49 AM
Am I the only one who's surprised that 1900 Bitcoin was stored in hot wallets?
I don't think it is really possible for a mixer to not store all their coin in their hot wallet. If CM used cold wallets, moving coin to/from the cold wallet really couldn't be done on-chain, otherwise, it would be clear which groups of addresses belong to CM. Also, CM's operational model effectively put all their coin on a hot wallet, regardless of the location of it's private keys due to the fact that CM had such a low threshold for someone to get a "chip", which is effectively an IOU from CM to their customers -- all that is needed is a browser session.
Keeping funds offline would have been possible: once in a while, when they run out of chips, users could only get a voucher until new chips were created. In the same way funded keys could have been kept offline.
I think the backup-scenario sounds logical: 7 GB of data including several snapshots which includes some of the used private keys. I'm now curious if there's anyone left with (older) chips that haven't been emptied. I checked the changes here yesterday, I'll do the same to day to see if more keys got swept. If that happened, I assume it's their owner emptying them now.

Update:
1 mBTC chips: March 16: 373824 - March 17: 374196 - Difference: 372 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 0.372 BTC.
2 mBTC chips: March 16: 79035 - March 17: 79117 - Difference: 82 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 0.164 BTC.
4 mBTC chips: March 16: 30463 - March 17: 30546 - Difference: 83 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 0.332 BTC.
8 mBTC chips: March 16: 13950 - March 17: 13958 - Difference: 8 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 0.064 BTC.
17 mBTC chips: March 16: 5053 - March 17: 5051 - Difference: -2 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -0.034 BTC.
32 mBTC chips: March 16: 3452 - March 17: 3430 - Difference: -22 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -0.704 BTC.
64 mBTC chips: March 16: 1359 - March 17: 1343 - Difference: -16 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -1,024 BTC.
128 mBTC chips: March 16: 830 - March 17: 820 - Difference: -10 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -1,280 BTC.
256 mBTC chips: March 16: 392 - March 17: 371 - Difference: -21 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -5,376 BTC.
500 mBTC chips: March 16: 57411 - March 17: 57443 - Difference: 32 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 16 BTC.
512 mBTC chips: March 16: 277 - March 17: 276 - Difference: -1 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -0.512 BTC.
1000 mBTC chips: March 16: 96525 - March 17: 96558 - Difference: 33 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 33 BTC.
1024 mBTC chips: March 16: 267 - March 17: 256 - Difference: -11 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -11,264 BTC.
2000 mBTC chips: March 16: 19792 - March 17: 19801 - Difference: 9 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 180 BTC.
2048 mBTC chips: March 16: 57 - March 17: 55 - Difference: -2 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -4,096 BTC.
4000 mBTC chips: March 16: 4496 - March 17: 4486 - Difference: -10 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -40 BTC.
4096 mBTC chips: March 16: 114 - March 17: 114 - Difference: 0 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 0 BTC.
8000 mBTC chips: March 16: 1284 - March 17: 1282 - Difference: -2 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: -16 BTC.
8192 mBTC chips: March 16: 15 - March 17: 15 - Difference: 0 funded addresses. Total balance sweeped: 0 BTC.

Based on this, I can't really tell if any more chips have been swept.
4883  Other / Meta / Re: Should the forum stop advertising mixers? on: March 16, 2023, 03:03:00 PM
Seems his alt account was hotpassion
That makes no sense, "hotpassion" was selling Paypal funds for Bitcoin. I always assumed CM was loaded in Bitcoins. Why would they sell small amounts of Paypal funds?

Bad people use mixers, bad people use casinos, bad people are everywhere. Why not shut it all down??  Huh
Almost anything can be used for good and for evil. Tor browser for instance is used by many scumbags, but also helps dissidents in their fight for a better country. Knives, guns, cars, hammers, privacy, everything can be used to hurt people. That doesn't mean good people should give up their rights and freedom.
4884  Other / Meta / Re: Should the forum stop advertising mixers? on: March 16, 2023, 10:50:41 AM
Funny, its actually been the case since May 2019, but either nobody here knew this or the ones who did never said anything about it.

Not saying the forum administration needs to make changes either way, but individuals participating in mixer sig campaigns should at least be aware of this.
So you're saying I should keep track of all changes to all laws in all countries on the planet?
4885  Other / Meta / Re: Unban request, I was banned for copying my own text on: March 16, 2023, 10:45:24 AM
The topic is not relevant. The issue is resolved. Thanks!
Congrats! Now click "lock topic" (bottom-left).
4886  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ChipMixer.com has been seized. on: March 16, 2023, 10:23:08 AM
I was curious how many chips got emptied, so I compared the number of funded addresses with "chip-sized-balances" this morning to yesterday morning's balances. Note that this isn't meant to be accurate, it also includes non-chips with the same balance (and it could even include addresses that received additional funds so they're no longer counted as "chips"). Despite these shortcomings, I'm pretty sure most of them are chips.

1 mBTC chips: March 15: 377619 - March 16: 373824 - Difference: -3795 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -3.795 BTC.
2 mBTC chips: March 15: 81644 - March 16: 79035 - Difference: -2609 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -5.218 BTC.
4 mBTC chips: March 15: 32943 - March 16: 30463 - Difference: -2480 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -9.92 BTC.
8 mBTC chips: March 15: 16179 - March 16: 13950 - Difference: -2229 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -17.832 BTC.
16 mBTC chips: March 15: 8823 - March 16: 6701 - Difference: -2122 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -33.952 BTC.
32 mBTC chips: March 15: 4737 - March 16: 3452 - Difference: -1285 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -41.12 BTC.
64 mBTC chips: March 15: 2410 - March 16: 1359 - Difference: -1051 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -67.264 BTC.
128 mBTC chips: March 15: 1638 - March 16: 830 - Difference: -808 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -103.424 BTC.
256 mBTC chips: March 15: 1702 - March 16: 392 - Difference: -1310 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -335.36 BTC.
500 mBTC chips: March 15: 57401 - March 16: 57411 - Difference: 10 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 5 BTC.
512 mBTC chips: March 15: 973 - March 16: 277 - Difference: -696 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -356.352 BTC.
1000 mBTC chips: March 15: 96484 - March 16: 96525 - Difference: 41 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 41 BTC.
1024 mBTC chips: March 15: 1582 - March 16: 267 - Difference: -1315 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -1.346.56 BTC.
2000 mBTC chips: March 15: 19824 - March 16: 19792 - Difference: -32 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -64 BTC.
2048 mBTC chips: March 15: 229 - March 16: 57 - Difference: -172 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -352.256 BTC.
4000 mBTC chips: March 15: 4493 - March 16: 4496 - Difference: 3 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 12 BTC.
4096 mBTC chips: March 15: 238 - March 16: 114 - Difference: -124 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -507.904 BTC.
8000 mBTC chips: March 15: 1293 - March 16: 1284 - Difference: -9 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -72 BTC.
8192 mBTC chips: March 15: 81 - March 16: 15 - Difference: -66 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -540.672 BTC.

For comparison, this is what the data would have looked like on a "normal" day (2 days earlier):
1 mBTC chips: March 13: 377071 - March 14: 376999 - Difference: -72 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -0.072 BTC.
2 mBTC chips: March 13: 81456 - March 14: 81506 - Difference: 50 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 0.1 BTC.
4 mBTC chips: March 13: 32672 - March 14: 32742 - Difference: 70 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 0.28 BTC.
8 mBTC chips: March 13: 15963 - March 14: 16019 - Difference: 56 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 0.448 BTC.
16 mBTC chips: March 13: 8664 - March 14: 8708 - Difference: 44 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 0.704 BTC.
32 mBTC chips: March 13: 4717 - March 14: 4736 - Difference: 19 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 0.608 BTC.
64 mBTC chips: March 13: 2394 - March 14: 2416 - Difference: 22 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 1.408 BTC.
128 mBTC chips: March 13: 1628 - March 14: 1639 - Difference: 11 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 1.408 BTC.
256 mBTC chips: March 13: 1629 - March 14: 1673 - Difference: 44 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 11.264 BTC.
500 mBTC chips: March 13: 57411 - March 14: 57449 - Difference: 38 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 19 BTC.
512 mBTC chips: March 13: 915 - March 14: 960 - Difference: 45 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 23 BTC.
1000 mBTC chips: March 13: 96436 - March 14: 96480 - Difference: 44 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 44 BTC.
1024 mBTC chips: March 13: 1575 - March 14: 1596 - Difference: 21 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 21.504 BTC.
2000 mBTC chips: March 13: 19810 - March 14: 19806 - Difference: -4 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -8 BTC.
2048 mBTC chips: March 13: 205 - March 14: 231 - Difference: 26 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 53.248 BTC.
4000 mBTC chips: March 13: 4482 - March 14: 4481 - Difference: -1 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -4 BTC.
4096 mBTC chips: March 13: 231 - March 14: 242 - Difference: 11 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 45.056 BTC.
8000 mBTC chips: March 13: 1290 - March 14: 1288 - Difference: -2 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -16 BTC.
8192 mBTC chips: March 13: 78 - March 14: 83 - Difference: 5 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 40.96 BTC.
(note: when the total balance "swept" is positive, more addresses with that balance were created, not swept).

A quick count shows that more than 1900 Bitcoin was swept, which makes me believe that not all private keys were compromised and some users swept it on their own.

Raw data source: List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance



Update

Segwit (addresses starting with bc) only:
1 mBTC chips: March 15: 129252 - March 16: 127143 - Difference: -2109 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -2,109 BTC.
2 mBTC chips: March 15: 22471 - March 16: 20861 - Difference: -1610 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -3,22 BTC.
4 mBTC chips: March 15: 8205 - March 16: 6591 - Difference: -1614 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -6,456 BTC.
8 mBTC chips: March 15: 4893 - March 16: 3313 - Difference: -1580 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -12,64 BTC.
16 mBTC chips: March 15: 3534 - March 16: 1840 - Difference: -1694 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -27,104 BTC.
32 mBTC chips: March 15: 1810 - March 16: 873 - Difference: -937 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -29,984 BTC.
64 mBTC chips: March 15: 1012 - March 16: 334 - Difference: -678 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -43,392 BTC.
128 mBTC chips: March 15: 876 - March 16: 169 - Difference: -707 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -90,496 BTC.
256 mBTC chips: March 15: 1296 - March 16: 77 - Difference: -1219 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -312,064 BTC.
500 mBTC chips: March 15: 29868 - March 16: 29891 - Difference: 23 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 11,5 BTC.
512 mBTC chips: March 15: 657 - March 16: 37 - Difference: -620 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -317,44 BTC.
1000 mBTC chips: March 15: 31921 - March 16: 31964 - Difference: 43 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 43 BTC.
1024 mBTC chips: March 15: 1333 - March 16: 54 - Difference: -1279 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -1,309,696 BTC.
2000 mBTC chips: March 15: 7746 - March 16: 7755 - Difference: 9 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 18 BTC.
2048 mBTC chips: March 15: 196 - March 16: 37 - Difference: -159 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -325,632 BTC.
4000 mBTC chips: March 15: 1615 - March 16: 1620 - Difference: 5 funded addresses. Total balance swept: 20 BTC.
4096 mBTC chips: March 15: 127 - March 16: 15 - Difference: -112 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -458,752 BTC.
8000 mBTC chips: March 15: 397 - March 16: 392 - Difference: -5 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -40 BTC.
8192 mBTC chips: March 15: 61 - March 16: 3 - Difference: -58 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -475,136 BTC.

Native (addresses starting with 1) only:
1 mBTC chips: March 15: 202374 - March 16: 200753 - Difference: -1621 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -1,621 BTC.
2 mBTC chips: March 15: 45485 - March 16: 44496 - Difference: -989 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -1,978 BTC.
4 mBTC chips: March 15: 19819 - March 16: 18920 - Difference: -899 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -3,596 BTC.
8 mBTC chips: March 15: 8595 - March 16: 7936 - Difference: -659 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -5,272 BTC.
16 mBTC chips: March 15: 3916 - March 16: 3486 - Difference: -430 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -6,88 BTC.
32 mBTC chips: March 15: 2191 - March 16: 1848 - Difference: -343 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -10,976 BTC.
64 mBTC chips: March 15: 1193 - March 16: 823 - Difference: -370 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -23,68 BTC.
128 mBTC chips: March 15: 650 - March 16: 548 - Difference: -102 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -13,056 BTC.
256 mBTC chips: March 15: 356 - March 16: 264 - Difference: -92 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -23,552 BTC.
500 mBTC chips: March 15: 15473 - March 16: 15460 - Difference: -13 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -6,5 BTC.
512 mBTC chips: March 15: 283 - March 16: 207 - Difference: -76 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -38,912 BTC.
1000 mBTC chips: March 15: 42015 - March 16: 41998 - Difference: -17 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -17 BTC.
1024 mBTC chips: March 15: 244 - March 16: 208 - Difference: -36 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -36,864 BTC.
2000 mBTC chips: March 15: 6352 - March 16: 6314 - Difference: -38 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -76 BTC.
2048 mBTC chips: March 15: 32 - March 16: 19 - Difference: -13 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -26,624 BTC.
4000 mBTC chips: March 15: 1499 - March 16: 1496 - Difference: -3 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -12 BTC.
4096 mBTC chips: March 15: 109 - March 16: 97 - Difference: -12 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -49,152 BTC.
8000 mBTC chips: March 15: 518 - March 16: 515 - Difference: -3 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -24 BTC.
8192 mBTC chips: March 15: 19 - March 16: 11 - Difference: -8 funded addresses. Total balance swept: -65,536 BTC.
4887  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ChipMixer.com has been seized. on: March 16, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
The only positive thing coming out of this is that the scam domains are being seized too (apparently, because Feds never read scam accusations), so nobody will ever launch a scam clone of it again.
I fear the opposite: CM-users will look for an alternative, and many of them will fall victim to new scam sites.

Am I the only one who's surprised that 1900 Bitcoin was stored in hot wallets?

there is just one man behind Chipmixer
Or, there's one guy taking the fall now. I always thought that CM had deep pockets from the start, and that doesn't sound like a single guy from Vietnam.
4888  Other / Off-topic / Re: Foxpup's Merit Cycling Club 🦊 🎉 🔞 4th Anniverary Foxhole "Festivities" [NSFW] on: March 16, 2023, 08:56:18 AM
Local rules: No transphobia, homophobia, trypophobia, etc.
My only phobia is vestiphobia. Wink
I keep learning new words!

I'm genuinely grateful to you.
I also want to say that I am very grateful to our beloved Foxpup! What we have here is something never seen before!
I'll join the gratefulness! When I started my Avatar for Rent-topic, I never expected it to turn into a multiyear party.
4889  Other / Off-topic / Re: Foxpup's Merit Cycling Club 🦊 🎉 🔞 4th Anniverary Foxhole "Festivities" [NSFW] on: March 15, 2023, 07:06:47 PM
Congratulations to 4 years, and thank you very much for having me in there all this time!

I'll start the party with my favourite 38% Greek beverage Cheesy
4890  Economy / Services / Re: LoyceV's Avatar for Rent [fourth 🦊🦊🦊🦊YEAR🦊🦊🦊🦊 rented out] on: March 15, 2023, 06:21:29 PM
Fourth year paid
Thanks again for your flawless timing!

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foxhole publicly opened for much anticipated celebratory function, which as before gets it's own very NSFW thread to avoid derailing this one further. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445047.0 (The Sceptical Chymist (and everyone else), you can take your pants off now.) Wink
I'll move over there now Smiley
4891  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Many adresses for many coins. Building exchange on: March 15, 2023, 04:38:16 PM
Im making an exchange
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How do i generate a new deposit adress for each new user
If you have to ask this, you shouldn't build an exchange.
4892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paper wallet on Android phone on: March 15, 2023, 04:36:00 PM
I have created bitcoin wallet in 2021, on a laptop that was connected to the internet. I have some $$$$ into it. Till today, nothing suspicious has happened and I am in total control of my funds, at least no one has stolen them from me.
From all the users who created a Bitcoin wallet in 2021, the ones who didn't take proper security precautions must have had more wallets hacked than the users who took proper precautions.
It's like saying you've been driving around without a seat belt for years, so you don't need it. The thing is: you don't know for sure until it's too late, that's why you take precautions.
4893  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 15, 2023, 03:06:57 PM
Any one have any news on how to retrieve the bitcoins deposited to chip mixer….. or can we claim our assets to German Authorities.
I'm curious about that too. Many people used ChipMixer for privacy, which (still) isn't illegal. But if you're going to claim your vouchers back from the German authorities, your privacy will be gone.
4894  Other / Meta / Re: AI writing messages on Bitcointalk.org on: March 15, 2023, 02:09:04 PM
the changes from the previous ChatGPT 3.5 are very minor, according to Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI.  Smiley
As long as the CEO is human, I'm not impressed.
4895  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 15, 2023, 01:49:15 PM
And I love the use of "suggest, may, possibility" when mentioning every single thing.
The claim "A large share of this is connected to darkweb markets ...." is the opposite of any other (actual) research on mixers I've seen in the past.

Holy shit...
Indeed!
4896  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ultimate Bitcoin Privacy - Discussion on: March 15, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
something that was suggested for a long time
I think that's because blinded bearer certificates are quite complicated to understand. I read about it a few times, and I read your OP, but it's still unclear how it would work exactly.
Can you start by creating a live working version on testnet, before going for real Bitcoin? My guess is you'll have much more users testing your service when they don't risk real funds.

Point No 1 Op please make sure to edit your post and make it worth reading as its very hard to find what is ongoing in the particular section of the topic.
Agreed. If you can't present how it works in such a way that the reader quickly understands it, he'll move on to another service.
4897  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paper wallet on Android phone on: March 15, 2023, 11:12:31 AM
Okay, I'm genuinely confident that if you visit only websites like Google, Youtube, Wikipedia, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, news websites like CNN, BBC, FoxNews, Deutsche Welle, Amazon, eBay, PayPal, Your bank's website, etc. I hope you got the point, if you visit that websites, I genuinely believe that your wallets won't be compromised.
Allow me to destroy your feeling of security by showing you the first Google hit I get when I search "malware in ads":
Hackers abuse Google Ads to spread malware in legit software.
There are no safe websites.
4898  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling BTC Ledger to Ledger various Banks on: March 15, 2023, 10:50:45 AM
Does this "I sell a million Bitcoins for 20 billion dollars" scam still work? Do people send you enough money so you can eat again for a week?
4899  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Is there a way to get your btc wallet back if it is suddenly gone? on: March 15, 2023, 10:45:57 AM
Is there a way to get your btc wallet back if it is suddenly gone?
Only if you have a backup, or can recover the wallet from your computer.

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I have my password and seed but I can't find my old wallet.
If the seed belongs to your wallet, you can restore it.

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I just realized this is a different wallet I created (using the same password).
Your password protects the wallet on your computer, the seed restores the wallet. The password is useless without the wallet.

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What happened to my original wallet? I think I just lost $900 sending it to a wallet I can no longer find.
Where did you get the address you sent your Bitcoins to, if you didn't get it from your wallet?
4900  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system on: March 15, 2023, 10:33:34 AM
I love the trust system this forum uses.
That's great, but unfortunately I can't say you're using it correctly:
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Since you're posting this in my topic, this is how I think the Trust system should be used:
Comments
Write a clear description. Keep it as short as possible without leaving things out. If your comment gets too long, create a topic in Reputation or Scam Accusations to refer to.
Try to be objective. If you stick to the facts, people are more likely to take your feedback seriously than if you resort to name calling.

Use Reference links
A Reference link provides more background information about the Feedback. This is very helpful for others to assess whether or not your judgement was correct.
You can use a Webpage archive to preserve evidence when needed for your Reference link.

It's a wonderful way to log people's subjective thinking/stance on someone.
Try to be objective instead of subjective:
Try to be objective. If you stick to the facts, people are more likely to take your feedback seriously
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