Government isnt protection from bandits naive person, government is what resulted from the bandits winning and taking over.
That is probably the dumbest, most poorly contrived argument ever trolled. It belongs in the Internet Troll Hall of Shame. if cbeast didn't have me on ignore, he'd learn that a troll got onto a German stamp for exactly the idea put forward by Anon136: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Oppenheimer#Der_Staat_.28The_State.29Let's see something that has been written in recent anthropological or sociological peer reviewed journals. Anyone can conjecture. Again, if you are going to assert an opinion, base it on some evidence. I am not an historian, but at least I used Rome as an example of a developing state. That's the difference between philosophy and science. You can prove facts wrong, that is how science is done. Since philosophy cannot be falsified it is not science. Maybe I'll look for a discourse between Oppenheimer and Marx. It sounds like an interesting subject on labor philosophy. This will be very important in the post central bank era. |
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Do you want roads, police, courts, firemen, water, and electricity? Of course I do. Are you willing to live near people that would not pay for those because they can get what they want by force instead? Would you pay for them as well?
No. That's why I am an anarchist. What you think you are is irrelevant. Before the extant of public commons, there was no civilization. Without civilization, you are merely food. this is so amazingly backward. Government cant exist with out leaching resources from society. Reseources can not be leached from a society that does not have surplus production. A society can not have surpluss production with out specialization and the division of labor. Specialization and the division of labor are the hallmarks of civilization. civilization necessarily comes before government because government has no means with which to sustain its self with out civilization. Society cannot aggregate resources until they have protection from anarchist bandits and warlords. Tribes paying for good governance is far cheaper and more efficient than losing everything to roving barbarians. That's why people choose to live in the protection of castle walls. Eventually, the castle walls are replaced by roads (i.e. Rome) and standing armies that police the environs. Finally feudalism evolves into empire and into modern civilization. Government isnt protection from bandits naive person, government is what resulted from the bandits winning and taking over. That is probably the dumbest, most poorly contrived argument ever trolled. It belongs in the Internet Troll Hall of Shame. |
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There was a time when bank deposits earned interest. If you kept your money in the bank long enough, then the interest earned would itself accrue interest. This was called compound interest and was the foundational incentive to encourage saving. Apparently this was merely a ruse to cover up the ponzi scheme created by the central bank to inflate the ecconomy. Now banks pay little or no interest, yet people still believe in the myth of compound interest.
Bitcoin deposits in an investment bank could hypothetically yield interest, but there is no guarantee of growth because they cannot just print the money to meet the depositor's promised rate. There have been arguments made to add a savings incentive to the Bitcoin protocol, but it is too unbalanced toward the richest savers only. There have been suggestions to change the protocol to discourage savings which has been met with disinterest. We are left with two choices. Savers will become hoarders and keep their savings offline with the hope of deflation, or stock investors that place their holdings at risk. Even if you hold a stock for a long time, there is ever growing risk of stock manipulation. There is no safe in-between anymore. Some might say we are left with the problem of a safe middle ground.
Here's the thing. We will no longer have the problems created by the central banks, like funding unnecessary wars. We will no longer have treasuries printing corruption of public officials. We will have an even greater dividend from Bitcoin; peace and the greater technologies that will emerge. Bitcoin will pay us something better than compound interest, it will yield peace and progress.
tl;dr It is time to debunk the myth of bank savings and inflationary compound interest and replace it with compound progress.
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A completely philisophical thought experiment. You may believe this argument if you wish, but it is not based on forensic sciences. There are a lot of ifs used and no historical examples. |
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Im not on the app just viewing it through the browser. Im sure the mobile version of the site is more basic
It works great for me on win7 with mozilla. |
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Stopped reading here: the recent announcement that Silicon Valley Bank will hold Bitcoin deposits FFS... IIRC, Coinlab will hold Bitcoin deposits just as mtgox does. Coinlab != Sillicon Valley Bank Well no, but Silicon Valley Bank is in a partnership with Coinlab. They probaly got this from the Forbes article: Silicon Valley Bank, a company that provides financial services to emerging growth companies, will be holding deposits of bitcoin and dollars for Coinlab. |
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How do I get the private key off my blockchain wallet to move coins to a mtgox account?
Use the import/export tab and ok the advanced warning. Use the paper wallet option to show all your addresses. Copy the private key from the balance you have and import it into mtgox. In the mtgox funding option choose redeem private key. Mtgox will sweep the value into your mtgox wallet and will show up after it is confirmed. Im viewing blockchain on a smartphone, I cant see any import or export tabs? I'm not at all familiar with the app, only the website. Perhaps you can access your login info through a full browser or import it into a pc. |
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Stopped reading here: the recent announcement that Silicon Valley Bank will hold Bitcoin deposits FFS... IIRC, Coinlab will hold Bitcoin deposits just as mtgox does. |
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What a super idea! All alt coin development is absolutely welcome! This is the type of post I exclusively reserve for extra exclamation points! It's not quite an all cap post. I'll wait until the code is released for all caps!!!
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How do I get the private key off my blockchain wallet to move coins to a mtgox account?
Use the import/export tab and ok the advanced warning. Use the paper wallet option to show all your addresses. Copy the private key from the balance you have and import it into mtgox. In the mtgox funding option choose redeem private key. Mtgox will sweep the value into your mtgox wallet and will show up after it is confirmed. |
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Do you want roads, police, courts, firemen, water, and electricity? Of course I do. Are you willing to live near people that would not pay for those because they can get what they want by force instead? Would you pay for them as well?
No. That's why I am an anarchist. What you think you are is irrelevant. Before the extant of public commons, there was no civilization. Without civilization, you are merely food. this is so amazingly backward. Government cant exist with out leaching resources from society. Reseources can not be leached from a society that does not have surplus production. A society can not have surpluss production with out specialization and the division of labor. Specialization and the division of labor are the hallmarks of civilization. civilization necessarily comes before government because government has no means with which to sustain its self with out civilization. Society cannot aggregate resources until they have protection from anarchist bandits and warlords. Tribes paying for good governance is far cheaper and more efficient than losing everything to roving barbarians. That's why people choose to live in the protection of castle walls. Eventually, the castle walls are replaced by roads (i.e. Rome) and standing armies that police the environs. Finally feudalism evolves into empire and into modern civilization. |
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Yeah, people tell me they don't watch TV. Yet we have satellite, multiple streaming services, analog and digital cable, fibre optic, and still good old broadcast stations. There are TVs in your SUVs. There are TVs in your RVs and yachts. There are hundreds of stations and thousands of direct to video movies every year. BTW, I hear they have the NFL and the baseball package special going on now. But hey, don't let me interrupt your not-watching-tv time. Just be glad you didn't have to suffer the snowy black and white sets while you watch your ever growing big screen HDTVs.
I can assure you that I don't have a single TV on my yacht. These days most yachts never leave the slip and there's satellite TV in the boathouse. ;-) |
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Before the extant of public commons, there was no civilization. Are you claiming that government = civilization? I am not an anthropologist. But yes, In the modern era I will argue that civilization requires a government for protection at the very minimum. Since you are not supporting your argument and are merely fabricating fallacious attacks, I will return you to my ignore list and you may continue to troll in your free-market fairyland. |
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Do you want roads, police, courts, firemen, water, and electricity? Of course I do. Are you willing to live near people that would not pay for those because they can get what they want by force instead? Would you pay for them as well?
No. That's why I am an anarchist. What you think you are is irrelevant. Before the extant of public commons, there was no civilization. Without civilization, you are merely food. |
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Most roads are actually built by private contractors... Paid for with public funds.
I suppose if no one stole the money to pay these people, no one would ever pay for roads to be built, right?
If a market need exists, someone will be willing to provide it. If no one is willing to pay for it, no market need exists.
That's a lot of ifs. Evidentiary facts would be better. Those aren't "ifs," they're if-then statements. As for evidence to back up those statements, you need only look at the black market. People want drugs. They are willing to pay for them. (There is a market need for drugs.) Other people are willing to provide these drugs, even at significant personal risk. Drug trafficking is an excellent example of a secure, industrious, and well-adjusted population. No, it isn't. Well, not "secure" or "well adjusted", but they certainly are industrious. Well, if a drug cartel run country is your best evidence of a free-market economy, then you can have it. Try Afghanistan, you might like it there. Did I say it was? You wanted evidence that the market acts to fill market needs. I provided that. My original question was not if the market can meet needs, but whether there is such a thing as a free-market without a publicly created infrastructure. Do you feel you have done that? Is there a market need for infrastructure? Do people want infrastructure? Are they willing to pay? Do you want roads, police, courts, firemen, water, and electricity? Are you willing to live near people that would not pay for those because they can get what they want by force instead? Would you pay for them as well? |
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Most roads are actually built by private contractors... Paid for with public funds.
I suppose if no one stole the money to pay these people, no one would ever pay for roads to be built, right?
If a market need exists, someone will be willing to provide it. If no one is willing to pay for it, no market need exists.
That's a lot of ifs. Evidentiary facts would be better. Those aren't "ifs," they're if-then statements. As for evidence to back up those statements, you need only look at the black market. People want drugs. They are willing to pay for them. (There is a market need for drugs.) Other people are willing to provide these drugs, even at significant personal risk. Drug trafficking is an excellent example of a secure, industrious, and well-adjusted population. No, it isn't. Well, not "secure" or "well adjusted", but they certainly are industrious. Well, if a drug cartel run country is your best evidence of a free-market economy, then you can have it. Try Afghanistan, you might like it there. Did I say it was? You wanted evidence that the market acts to fill market needs. I provided that. My original question was not if the market can meet needs, but whether there is such a thing as a free-market without a publicly created infrastructure. Do you feel you have done that? |
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Can you just export the private keys to another app and try to send from there?
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Most roads are actually built by private contractors... Paid for with public funds.
I suppose if no one stole the money to pay these people, no one would ever pay for roads to be built, right?
If a market need exists, someone will be willing to provide it. If no one is willing to pay for it, no market need exists.
That's a lot of ifs. Evidentiary facts would be better. Those aren't "ifs," they're if-then statements. As for evidence to back up those statements, you need only look at the black market. People want drugs. They are willing to pay for them. (There is a market need for drugs.) Other people are willing to provide these drugs, even at significant personal risk. Drug trafficking is an excellent example of a secure, industrious, and well-adjusted population. No, it isn't. Well, not "secure" or "well adjusted", but they certainly are industrious. Well, if a drug cartel run country is your best evidence of a free-market economy, then you can have it. Try Afghanistan, you might like it there. |
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I anticipate that we will soon see the end of local computer systems. Cloud based computing is coming. I'm concerned about the security of using cloud servers for managing my Bitcoin wallets. Hardware wallets are useful for keeping your keys offline, but at some point you will have to use an online wallet. Even brain wallets will need to be rebuilt online. How will we protect the privacy of our keys when every electronic device is always online?
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