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501  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Count down to Iran invasion on: August 01, 2013, 06:08:37 PM
No, I think it has to do with Syria, from the looks of things. Last time I checked, Iran is not the same country as Syria, but I could be wrong. In any case, the major "opponent" of the US in the Syrian Civil War is Russia, but we are clearly not going to go to war with them over this one country.

They have a mutual defense treaty.  The US has been unsuccessful at provoking Iran, so they are trying to start a proxy war through Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/01/us-syria-crisis-iran-idUSBRE88007120120901

Quote from: Mohammad Ali Assoudi
"If America were to attack Syria, Iran along with Syria's allies will take action, which would amount to a fiasco for America,"

Quote from: Reuters
Assoudi's comments were first carried by the government-linked news agency Young Journalists' Club but were later apparently taken down from the group's website.

Quote from: Reuters
Iran and Syria signed a mutual defense pact in 2006, but little is known of its details, or whether there are any other signatories.

Sounds like a bunch of hot air coming from Iran. This "mutual defense pact" obviously hasn't seen much use, as Hamas has been attacking Assad yet it still receives Iranian funding. In any case, I doubt that Iran would be so foolish as to attack the US troops if Syria was invaded. They wouldn't stand a chance, and it would give Israel an excuse to crack down on neighboring Arab countries.

However, as far as I know the US government has no intentions to send actual troops in, so I don't see how Iran could be provoked into a war. I also don't see the point in going to war with Iran anyways, since whichever politicians advocated it would be committing political suicide.
502  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BTC to PayPal on: August 01, 2013, 04:17:56 PM
Maybe you can try https://www.coingator.com/

Exchange rate is pretty low on there unfortunately, but that could prove useful if bitcoins drop and then go back up again.
503  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: what does Mt.gox stand for?? on: August 01, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
Why do people call it mount Gox then?

Probably once they became a bitcoin exchange, it was convenient to go along with it. MTGOX sounds like Mt. Gox, which sounds like Fort Knox. More than likely they wanted to keep the same domain and website to keep their users, and just by chance their old name sounded like one that would be the name of an exchange.
504  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Need new place to buy bitcoins like bitme.com and bitfloor.com before they close on: August 01, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
btcquick works pretty well for me

https://www.btcquick.com/beta/

It's not working for me. When I go to sign up the "register" button doesn't work.
505  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-30 Digital Asset Transfer Authority Announced on: August 01, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
The Federal Reserve Prints Money.
D.A.T.A. can not mint bitcoins.

Why not? I can mint bitcoins. And unless I'm misunderstanding this, DATA wants to regulate the bitcoin economy to some extent and push it in the direction that it feels is best.

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According to Internet World Stats:
There were over 2.4 Billion users as of June 30,2012
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

So even if every single user switched to bitcoins, that 2.5 billion number would still be wrong. Also, how are "Internet user" numbers determined. If they go by unique IP addresses, than that number could be much higher than it should be.


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2.5 Billion of the world population have no access to formal banking
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/financial_services/counting_the_worlds_unbanked

4.6 billion don't have access to Internet, meaning banks are still more accessible.


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You guys should try to read more. The world as we know it is rapidly changing.  You can sit back and watch it change around you.  Or you get be active and try to take part in this important dialogue.  That is the intention of D.A.T.A.

Can I actually take part in this dialogue, if DATA were to become a huge influence? Theoretically, I could email the federal reserve with my thoughts, but would they actually be acknowledged?

In summary, Bitcoin does not need regulation or influence, especially in the form of an organization made up of just a few people. The whole point is decentralization. Why does an organization need to start controlling bitcoin? The economy should be allowed to evolve freely, otherwise we might as well go back to fiat.
506  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Count down to Iran invasion on: August 01, 2013, 03:13:46 PM
Why was this bumped? Clearly OP was wrong...

You are right, why have a clearly decent discussion when we can spend time being right!

What discussion is there to have, at least on this thread? Clearly there was no invasion, and I still think that there won't be. Why did you choose to necro it two years after it was started anyways? If you have new evidence, why bump this as opposed to making a new thread?

You are so right! Certainly nothing related to discuss...

Thousands of Syrian police who joined the rebels are on U.S. payroll
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/07/25/thousands-of-syrian-police-who-joined-the-rebels-are-on-u-s-payroll/

Syria's rebel commander expected to visit United States
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-18/news/sns-rt-us-syria-usa-idriss-20130718_1_rebel-commander-rebel-group-supreme-military-council

Russian Military on Alert After Suspected Israeli Airstrike Destroys Russian Missiles in Syria
http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/russian-military-on-alert-after-suspected-israeli-airstrike-destroys-russian-missiles-in-syria/

Israel reacts positively to Egypt coup
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/22/314947/israel-reacts-positively-to-egypt-coup/

US And Russia Simultaneously Announce Intent To Arm Opposing Sides In Syria
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-russia-intend-to-arm-sides-in-syria-2013-7

US military chief outlines options for Syria
http://www.aawsat.net/2013/07/article55310850

Russia Rails Against US Arming Syrian Rebels
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/world-news/russia-rails-against-us-arming-syrian-rebels.html

CIA’s favorite Saudi prince is laying the groundwork for a post-Assad Syria
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/cia-s-favorite-saudi-prince-is-laying-the-groundwork-for-a-post-assad-syria-1.453434



Clearly none of this has anything to do with Iran. Nothing to see here, move along!




No, I think it has to do with Syria, from the looks of things. Last time I checked, Iran is not the same country as Syria, but I could be wrong. In any case, the major "opponent" of the US in the Syrian Civil War is Russia, but we are clearly not going to go to war with them over this one country.
507  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-30 Digital Asset Transfer Authority Announced on: August 01, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
From the Huffington Post article:

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that will add 2.5 billion people to the economic system in the next four years.

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Today, we're in the midst of another exciting arrival: digital assets to enable financial inclusion for all.

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Beyond that lies a future of machine to machine payments past the scope of human involvement, with over 50 billion connected devices by 2020.

Pretty ambitious. Do 2.5 billion people even have Internet access? Is DATA going to pay for those 50 billion devices? Because where are all of these statistics coming from, and what evidence do they have to back them up?

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When fully established, this self regulating organization is envisioned to play an important role in creation standards and best practices for digital asset transfers, while providing a reliable solution to regulation that helps the brightest ideas flourish.

Sounds exactly like the federal reserve.


Overall, I'm not very supportive of DATA. It seems like they want some control over bitcoins which is not what should be happening. Centralization is the opposite of what bitcoins should be. Worse, they clearly don't know what they're talking about. 2.5 billion people added in four years? If 2.6 billion people don't even have access to sanitation, how are they expected to have access to bitcoins? (http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats#src1)

This seems like a power grab, backed by false promises.

508  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do most Bitcoiners seem intelligent? on: August 01, 2013, 02:32:46 PM
Looking down on this planet, you observe that all over the earth, smokestacks are pouring carbon dioxide and toxic chemicals into the air. So are the dominant beings who run on the roadways. But carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. You notice that the amount of it in the atmosphere increases steadily - year after year. The same is true of methane and other greenhouse gases. If this keeps up, the temperature of the planet is going to increase. Spectroscopically, you discover another class of molecules being injected into the air, the chlorofluorocarbons. Not only are they greenhouse gases, but they are also devastatingly effective in destroying the protective ozone layer.

You look more closely at the center of the South American continent, at a vast rain forest. Every night you see thousands of fires. In the daytime, you find the region covered with smoke. Over the years, all over the planet, you find less and less forest and more and more scrub desert.

You look down on the large island of Madagascar. The rivers are colored brown, generating a vast stain in the surrounding ocean. This is topsoil being washed out to sea at a rate so high that in another few decades there will be none left. The same thing is happening, you note, at the mouths of rivers all over the planet.
But no topsoil means no agriculture. In another century, what will the earthlings eat? What will they breathe? How will they cope with a changing and more dangerous environment?

From your perspective, you can see that something has unmistakably gone wrong. The dominant organisms are simultaneously destroying their ozone layer and their forests, eroding their topsoil, and performing massive, uncontrolled experiments on their planet’s climate. Haven’t they noticed what’s happening? Are they oblivious to their fate? Are they unable to work together on behalf of the environment that sustains them all?

Perhaps, you think, it’s time to reassess the conjecture that there’s intelligent life on Earth.



Humans may pollute the environment, but at least we are aware of the consequences (even if some of us don't care). There are other species that are perfectly capable of destroying an environment or ecosystem, and they are completely ignorant of what they're doing. Many invasive species will destroy all other forms of life they come in contact with, even if it will lead to their deaths. I'd say that our awareness puts us ahead of most species in that aspect. Plus, while humans may destroy the environment, we also nurture it. No other species protects others from extinction.
509  Economy / Services / Re: Get up to 0.30 BTC a month for your signature! on: August 01, 2013, 02:23:01 PM
Does the first month that we put our signature in not count? I put it in pretty late (July 24th) but I think that I've at least made 50 posts since then.
510  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-28 Aftenposten.no: Slik Road has doubled since 2012 on: July 30, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
So it looks like "reverse stings" are legal, but the buyers can get away with it with a pretty lame excuse (the lawyer argued that since the police never intended for the buyers to get away, they were never in possession).

http://www.kpho.com/story/22102426/police-reverse-sting-operations-under-scrutiny-by-az-supreme-court

Also, I know in the state of Maryland and I think Virginia as well, the cops will not sell real drugs. Because buying fake drugs with the intent to distribute as if they were real is illegal, they do this instead.

Finally, trying to sell drugs through an anonymous market would be pointless, as they can't prove that it was the recipient of the package who placed the order. Plus, it seems counterintuitive to distribute drugs to stop distributors...

The risk is likely low but it isn't zero.  Receiving the drugs would likely be sufficient evidence to get a search warrant for home and computers.  How many drug users have 0 (as in passes a CSI inspection) evidence of drug use in their home.  Home many bitcoin users are so perfect in their security that no evidence of bitcoin transactions can be found.  If you graphed these two populations how often would they intersect.

Most people are "safe" because Police are more interested in major dealers not end users and such stings would be expensive and manpower intensive for little gain.  However potential users shouldn't confuse Police "not" doing something with an "inability" to do something.

Receiving the drugs is not sufficient evidence to search the home. I used to have a friend that got packages of a certain herb (not from SR or Atlantis) and one day, due to poor handling of the package at the post office, the contents were revealed and he was brought in for questioning. He simply denied everything. Mind you, he doesn't keep everything out in the open anyways, but I doubt most users of SR are morons who leave stuff all over the place. You don't have to believe me, but a simple google search will show many people in the same situation.

Because the police have no proof that it was you, they have no way of acquiring a warrant. Even if they did somehow get a warrant, and went straight to the computer (which they would need a specific warrant to do so), you have a strong case against them. You could easily say that the police ordered a package of drugs to your house and then raided it. Unless they can prove that it was you that ordered it (impossible because of Tor), there is no way that they can get you for anything. Imagine how ridiculous it would look to a judge or jury when the police try to arrest you for drugs that they shipped without your (supposed) knowledge.

I do agree with your second paragraph- it is stupid to think that just because they haven't doesn't mean that they won't. However, seeing as there is only one confirmed report of someone being arrested because of SR related activities I think that it is very hard to get someone for this kind of thing.
511  Economy / Lending / Re: Medical Marijuana and Bitcoin on: July 30, 2013, 06:17:03 PM
Or you can do a free cash transfer at the bank. You can buy bitcoins almost immediately if you do this. We will add the money to your Yado account the moment your USD hits our bank account. Once the money is in your Yado account, you can exchange freely between BTC and USD without any wait. Another fast option is bank wire.

I will do this within a few hours. I'll also post in your feedback thread when I've received the btc.

Edit: What account am I transferring the money to? I only see the options to mail money or add a checking account?
512  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-28 Bitcoin apps for iPhone, Android and Windows Phone on: July 30, 2013, 04:13:15 PM
The app for iOS is cool, but I can't seem to access my QR code on the website? When I hit "show/hide pairing code", the iOS one is cut off. Scrolling down doesn't do anything.
513  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Demographics Polling] Language 2013-2014 on: July 30, 2013, 03:25:04 PM
Comparison: ronpaulforums.com


Injun and Spic?  Roll Eyes
514  Other / Off-topic / Re: Colorado town to issue drone-hunting licences on: July 30, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
"Any resident can petition for a citizens' initiative and then draft an ordinance."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/us/colorado-town-drone-ordinance

OP title isn't exactly accurate, since the measure has to be voted on. At this stage it is only a proposition.
515  Economy / Lending / Re: Medical Marijuana and Bitcoin on: July 30, 2013, 03:14:33 PM
I'm not really interested in offering a loan, but I would certainly use your website yado.com if you provide proof that it's legit. Also, what is the name of the dispensary?

What proof do you need that it's legit? We've done only a small number of transactions since launch...roughly $5,000.

The alpha phase of Yado is being used to test some of our theories with online currency. Right now we're using BTC but operating under the assumption that there will be more popular currencies in the future.

There is much work to be done but Yado is fully functional. At the moment it's a simple exchange and it will be transformed into a marketplace in the upcoming months.

The name of the Dispensary is "Non Profit Patient Center". This will obviously be changed. The entire team has been working remote so far and we will all meet in about 10 days.

I'd just like some examples of people saying that they used it and received the bitcoins in a timely manner. For example, I found this thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1hv9od/new_exchange_yadocom_needs_feedback/

And these comments:

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I recently transferred 175 USD (A relatively small amount just to be safe) to test the waters with them 2 days ago. It cleared my bank last night but hasn't popped up on YADO itself, still just says pending.

I will update if/when I receive the money.


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Added a small amount of Funds July 11th. July 19th Still waiting for it to clear.

I haven't found any threads besides this one, another one that you made (that I was the only commenter on) and one on bitkoins.com that had no responses. I would be willing to use this for bitcoins today, I just want to see some feedback on your site. Clearly you are searching for feedback so could you provide a link to some positive purchases?

Also, how long would I expect it to take for the bitcoins to arrive if I were to do a cash deposit?
516  Economy / Gambling / Re: New BTC Found on: July 30, 2013, 02:50:58 PM
Introductory Offer Price
0.25 BTC per Share (through April 1st, 2013)

Those shares should grow in value fast and with 0.25 btc, maybe worth to grab a few:
http://www.bitbillions.com/gbbg-fund/

To participate, you need to be registered participant in BB:
-ref link removed-

Moderator note: As always, please use your brains before 'investing' your coins. We're not responsible for your stupidity nor your own money.

Why do mods know and acknowledge that these are terrible investments but still keep them up? Natural selection?

Probably because it's not their responsibility. It's your money, and you can do whatever you want with it no matter if it's a obvious ponzi or something that is bound to take your money. They merely give you a warning that you're about to waste your money.

I guess, but then why do some people get scammer tags and others don't? Wasn't Pirate's an obvious Ponzi scheme as well?
517  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do most Bitcoiners seem intelligent? on: July 30, 2013, 02:39:43 PM
I've never seen so many con men and marks together in the same place.

The Bitcoin world has reproduced in miniature almost every financial scam known, from pump and dump to blind pools to bucket shops to front-running. There are plenty of marks on here who have no clue how to recognize a con game.  It's embarrassing.   

I have to agree!  It's like watching the math department flocking into a Vegas casino.  So innocent.  So unsuspecting.  So hilarious!  Grin

I think the stated size of certain scams were wayyy overestimated.

PirateAt40 made off with 500,000 XBT?
Bullshit.

Those people are misinformed. It's actually 263024 BTC.

Only 263,024? That's only about USD 26 million...
518  Economy / Economics / Re: "Any news is good news." on: July 30, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
Is there proof that bitcoins are illegal in Thailand? I was under the impression that this was BS.

Either way, it would still affect the market the same.
519  Economy / Economics / Re: List of Bitcoin Hostile (and friendly) Banks on: July 30, 2013, 02:31:01 PM

TD Bank                                              US                    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189917.msg2794888#msg2794888
   
      

While I appreciate that I am cited as a source, I think that TD US should be put in an "unconfirmed" section or something along those lines. For one, my friends use TD. I do not, and thus don't know the full extent of their friendliness. They haven't had any issues, but I don't think that this qualifies as "Bitcoin friendly". Maybe someone could contact a representative and confirm that they are either supportive or at the very least neutral? If TD Canada is hostile then I doubt that they are truly friendly. There probably just isn't an official company stance either way.

I myself use Citizens Bank. I have done a few wires and even some debit charges (through Skrill) and initially I had some issues. I buy bitcoins pretty much every day, and only about every 3 out of 4 transfers would make it through without being rejected. This was very frustrating, so I called customer support each and every time it got rejected. The very first call had the representative saying that Citizen's "does not associate with these kinds of businesses" although I don't know whether they were referring to Skrill or any of the exchanges. The next two calls went the same way, although Citizens did not prevent me from using my bank account on any of the sites. Finally, on the fourth time it got rejected I got pissed, as the time before I had specifically requested that any bitcoin related money transfer go through. After arguing with the rep, I finally requested to talk to the fraud department directly. They were much more reasonable and explained that the customer service rep probably didn't know what she was talking about (lol) and that the reason that most of the transfers were rejected was because the recipient banks were foreign, and the constant purchases every day looked suspicious. They explained that Citizen's does not "associate" (not sure what exactly they mean by this) with these kinds of businesses but that they would not reject any more transfers or flag them as suspicious.

From this, it would appear that Citizen's is "friendly", but it seems more likely that they just don't care either way.
520  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Doing for Money What Email Did for Snail Mail on: July 29, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
Who says we won't have 0 fee transactions in USD in the near future?

It's not like it's technically impossible

The only reason its not here yet is because it needs a solid infrastructure, which is being built right now, but takes time

Aren't there already 0 fee transactions? If you go paper wallet to paper wallet, there are no fees, correct?
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