It's a yes or no question that I think we both know the answer to.
Are participants in the vdice smart contract exposed to any risk from the ‘house’ being a bad actor, and/or from a bad actor internal to Oraclize.
Yes
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It's not at all. Though I understand what you are trying to do. We've seen you do it on many other forums, to many other game operators. To what end, who knows? Yeah, I've called out a bunch of different sites on their bullshit. Now I'm calling out yours. Seems as if vDice.io will be joining the my list including Betcoin.ag, Fortunejack, Betcoin.tm, btc-casino.io, and pocektdice. That's worthy of a $49 press release, right? Namely it is an attempt to discredit both our brand and the brand of Oraclize, and the technology that powers the game. It's an attempt to make the truth known to those who might otherwise give their money to scumbags. That question in the audit was specifically addressed by many, many developers in the community.
It has been answered in detail over and over above. It wasn't a question. It was a statement of fact. Participants in the vdice smart contract bear a small amount of risk from the
‘house’ being a bad actor, and from a bad actor internal to Oraclize. Please elaborate on exactly what you think the 'risk' is and the incentives and the possible attack vectors.
I will respond to each possible attack vector, with a proof that will conclusively prove no such risk, as you are trying to insinaute, exists.
Look forward to receiving the possible attack vectors from anywhere...and will gladly address them. Feel free to list them all. I'm asking you whether you consider the statement to be true or false. Cherry picking a sentence from a code audit, to try and build a straw man argument, will not work.
lol. You got me. My cherries are never out of context or manipulated though. I do have some other questions by the way: - Who are you? (The person behind the forum account I mean)
- When did you launch? I know it's been at least 5 months. What are your numbers like? Is the 7k bets listed life time?
- What happened to your lead developer, James Groton?
- Who is James Groton? His Github is new, can't find much of anything about him.
- Did your team go to china for the devcon? There was a bunch of blogs (that you probably paid for) about vDice becoming a Devcon sponsor. Then just nothing for a few weeks, then ICO time...
- These people seem to have no history on the internet.
 Kinda weird for a social media expert that's online all day... And this is Jason Colby really?  Looks more like this guy (who interviewed Jason) than the guy from the group picture in Miami:   |
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As far as ToS, if I don't read it then I don't bitch when I lose money because of my failure to read and understand it. Just like any other contract I agree to. That's part of adulthood.
What if you read every one of the ~4,200 words in their terms and conditions before making your first deposit. Over the next 3 months you deposit a bunch of times and have a few small cashouts for 2-5x your deposit. Then you hit huge for 800x your average deposit and celebrate with a few max bets at one denom higher , .03 btc per spin, before cashing out. After they inform you of the separate 2,400 word terms and conditions that you violated but didn't know existed since it was a pop up that could only be accessed from the right landing page, they give you your deposit back and only keep the remaining 99.7% of your balance. |
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It's a yes or no question that I think we both know the answer to.
Are participants in the vdice smart contract exposed to any risk from the ‘house’ being a bad actor, and/or from a bad actor internal to Oraclize.
Yes
or
No?
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Is this true: Participants in the vdice smart contract bear a small amount of risk from the
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Thanks for the response bitcasino support but how about the slot games you offer is there a way to check if they're provably fair. It would be nice because I mostly play slots on your site. Hi ralle14, Please be informed we do not have a provably fair system for the slot games as we are a licensed casino and use the same game providers as traditional currency casinos. Cheers, BitCasino.io Did I understand this correctly? Your Slots are not provably fair? The traditional currency casinos use firmware that are embedded into a RAM chip to store the software. This can be altered with a firmware upgrade, but that is not done by the casino. So you guys have full access to the software and can adjust certain parameters as you want? < House edge? > I thought the suppliers of these games adjust this themselves or is this just applicable to the shared jackpots? I suspect that a major software provider play the role of owner more so than anyone working for a single casino. The casinos are more like affiliates and CS for the platform provider. They keep the business model secret and the providers refuse to communicate with players, so we can only speculate for now. When there's an issue with a player not being paid, the provider can be blamed with the player being told there's nothing that can be done. |
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Decentralized app which rely on centralized services, this way it is not safe for players nor investor.
You should postpone your ICO 'till you solve those issues which RHvar pointed out.
What we have here is some competitors saying wrong things and bad information about us. We expect this of course. When do competitors say good things.  Everyone who reads this forum can really see that. So it's fine. They did disclose they are from competitor games, so it is OK. I'm not a competitor. I have no affiliation with any site. So please, just answer my question. Is this true or false: Participants in the vdice smart contract bear a small amount of risk from the
‘house’ being a bad actor, and from a bad actor internal to Oraclize. You paste images on social media. You spread lies generally. So dishonest.This was answered to the satisfaction of people much, much smarter than you, above. Maybe spend some time learning to understand the answer, instead of trolling  Once again, in response to your question:- ---- 1- "Replay Risk" the very reason why the authenticated JSON-RPC APIs of random.org are used, is because of the "requestsLeft" field which is returned by each API call response ( https://api.random.org/json-rpc/1/signing ). This field content is tied to the API credentials specified in the query and is there to indicate how many requests are left in a given day. If we check all the TLSNotary proofs published on the blockchain (which contain the whole API response!), an independent auditor can verify whether any subsequent number in the "requestsLeft" fields is missing - when that happens, the auditor has a good indicator that something wrong happened (either on the Oraclize side - which sent more requests than expected - or by any external party knowing that specific API key (vDice itself & random.org)). Of course this doesn't say much about the intent in itself (can just be some failure in the HTTP request, which had to be sent again), but in general it provides some level of security against replay attacks. ---- 2- "setConfig" Oraclize are updating on-chain contracts in the coming days to support this. It's here for forward-compatibility and enables arbitrary Oraclize flags to be enabled/disabled. The very reason why the vDice contract needs it is to enable the "zero-confirmation query precomputation" feature. ---- What the hell? I quoted the third part audit that you posted. It's a simple question that you still have not answered. The reason you haven't answered it is because: If you lie and claim it's false: you would be disputing the results of the third party audit that you've been spamming all over the place. If you answer honestly, it would be even more obvious to more people that you either don't understand the concept of decentralization or you're a scammer. By the way, it was quite a shock when I saw your linkdin after all these blogs and press releases popping up that you deny paying for or writing yourself (assuming this is Jason, the CEO. It could be Barney, the " Social Media expert who spends all his time on the internet and is new to the blockchain"  Even more shocking is that your simple dice site, which isn't even provably fair, is a piece of crap. Players can't verify rolls, it can take an hour to complete a single bet, and you've barely had 7k bets a month after launching. mikeyb @mikeyb Nov 07 08:17 @vDice_io_twitter What is the best way to validate/verify a bet? Doesn't seem like there is any info on easily replicating results. vDice.io @vDice_io_twitter Nov 07 09:27 Sure, that documentation is available through the support desk Just click the support tab on the site and contact them We'll get it live to the site as soon as we can Most of our devs front and back are focused on the ICO at the moment As you can imagine mikeyb @mikeyb Nov 07 09:46 Yeah but these are certainly things investors will want to see (like me, who is testing the system before investing) mikeyb @mikeyb Nov 07 09:55 And is it normal for it to take 30+ minutes for results on bets? Or is that due to the geth/parity swap? vDice.io @vDice_io_twitter Nov 07 10:52 Hi Mikey Understood I can leave a note for them to add this on the crowdsale site But it's best if you send them a message through the support tab I assume you mean when the results on bets are showing up in the UI And yeah, our front-end guys are upgrading the code for the custom APIs that power the UI As a result of the switch from geth to parity You should find that the bets themselves are being processed by the smart contract infrastructure in the standard timeframes mikeyb @mikeyb Nov 07 11:22 I am referring to the processing of the bet/game/round. When I send a transaction, it is taking over 30 minutes to send back to me either the winnings or 1 wei. https://i.gyazo.com/d133979710b4dd05c57b5335f2fae1e1.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/6a468ce34f2fea71328c84ca1c32f871.pngroughly an hour to process and return the results I have submitted support ticket, but the response is pretty slow. Really wanting to talk with someone in realtime so I dont play support tag until the ICO starts It's time to come clean Jason. Or is it Barney? |
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Sure, and many people have reported their own experience where BitStarz let them slide even though they violated TOS. BitStarz has to make a decision in each case. That is, to let someone slide or to penalize them for violating the rules. They've said themselves (and it looked like others confirmed) that they give people a free pass if they do it once, but when it looks like the user is repeatedly abusing the rules, or they have reason to believe they are setting up alt accounts to get away with the same violation multiple times, THAT is when they don't budge. Wake up, they aren't letting it slide out of generosity and they don't enforce it because they are confident the player is acting maliciously. They let it slide when it's small because when they enforce it they know there's a good chance that player won't be returning so the seized funds should be more than they expected that player to deposit in the future. It's a business. They can't run a successful business on empathy, and it's not fair to the users who do follow the rules to let others break them without any penalty. Are you drunk? Are you intentionally contradicting yourself? Or am I misunderstanding something and your intention is to point out that Bitstarz is unfair. Also, there's nothing unconscionable about their terms of service, from a legal standpoint.
The players have no legal stand point. There are no rules to protect players and there is nobody to enforce them even if there were. They can do whatever they want and the only way a player can protect them-self is by not shutting the fuck up. That being said, I agree that calling Bitstarz a scam is a stretch. I would easily rank them at the top of the long list of softswiss casinos. After dealing with several of them, Bitstarz is the only one that doesn't try to bury complaints in spam, blatantly ignore me or accuse me of working for another site. You're quite the hypocrite though for saying this: LOL I'm not mad at all, I just think it's stupid that people are still claiming they are some kind of scam because of a user who didn't read the terms and conditions.
after leaving this feedback: I felt inclined to provide this feedback/review after seeing some scammers giving Bitstarz bad feedback and trying to blackmail them into paying.
Bitstarz is A++++ in my book! Don't listen to the scammers.
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Every single site you ever go to on the internet has terms and conditions. It's your responsibility to read and understand them. If you fail to do so, you lose the right to bitch about shit when it doesn't go your way. I'm not bitching about shit that didn't go my way. In an unregulated environment I think the players need to speak up if they think they are being treated unfairly. It's the nature of the business that the casino is trying to make as much money as possible. They're going to push the limits untill the players push back. Regardless, BitStarz already said they are working on a solution to restrict those bets from even being possible when using bonus funds, so they are actively addressing the issue people are complaining about.
Seriously, stop whining and bitching... you just look ridiculous.
They've already taken steps to make it better by making the terms more visible. That's great if they implement the automatic restriction. Are you mad because fewer players will have their funds seized?I don't get it. |
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I would like to congratulate Bitstarz.com for receiving the BitcoinGG Certificate of Trust, and also thank them for upgrading their review I encourage all players to come and leave a short review whether good or bad about your favorite casino. Thanks, Chris Quite a rating for a site making excuses to take user balances when they see fit based on rules in fine print. There's no way the site could get 9.2 out of 10 based on what we've seen... Crazy max bet limitations on bonus funds which aren't enforced by software though allows the site to seize the funds. Based on what "we've" seen? You mean a player not understanding terms and conditions that are the same as many, many other casinos? Give me a break. I've played on BitStarz for over a year now with no problems ever. Follow the rules and you won't have any problems. Better yet, don't accept the bonuses. It's easy to click the little "forfeit" button. In fact, most bonuses have to be accepted. They aren't automatic in most cases. Lots of whiners and complainers in this thread who have no clue what they are talking about.  BitStarz rocks!!  1000 people that have never gambled at an online casino before decide to make Bitstarz their first after seeing an add on an affiliate site. If they all deposited 100 euro, how many of them do you think would make a bet over 5 euro ? |
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Seriously why even bother spamming?
mdexm, I suggest contacting coinprofit.io and posting what happened on askgamblers, latestcasinobonuses, thepogg, casinolistings, casinomeister and any other forum you can find.
Not sure if it will do you any good directly, but it might help prevent someone else from getting scammed and also decrease the chances of other sites scamming in the future.
I've been posting warnings for a year and a half (as have you) in this thread and still people try their luck with this corrupted casino. As P.T. Barnum once said "There's a sucker born every minute" It's still laughable that they drained his balance in Starburst, a ultra low variance slot, and even then it only took less than 20 spins to bust his balance. Just shows how crooked their pirated NetEnt slots are. At the very least they could have sent him off proper and wiped him out in Thief which would be more fitting for the circumstances It's a war that will never be won but hopefully someone will always be fighting it. |
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Seriously why even bother spamming?
mdexm, I suggest contacting coinprofit.io and posting what happened on askgamblers, latestcasinobonuses, thepogg, casinolistings, casinomeister and any other forum you can find.
Not sure if it will do you any good directly, but it might help prevent someone else from getting scammed and also decrease the chances of other sites scamming in the future.
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Any news on when you expect to be paying RB this week? Thanks.
Most likely right before he responds to you letting you know he already did it. |
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Decentralized app which rely on centralized services, this way it is not safe for players nor investor.
You should postpone your ICO 'till you solve those issues which RHvar pointed out.
What we have here is some competitors saying wrong things and bad information about us. We expect this of course. When do competitors say good things. Everyone who reads this forum can really see that. So it's fine. They did disclose they are from competitor games, so it is OK. I'm not a competitor. I have no affiliation with any site. So please, just answer my question. Is this true or false: Participants in the vdice smart contract bear a small amount of risk from the
‘house’ being a bad actor, and from a bad actor internal to Oraclize. |
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Their affiliation and the existence of this rakeback program and the Betcoin Poker room has little to no relevance. Your evidence and finding(s) are non-conclusive like always, but even if it was beyond a reasonable doubt it wouldn't really matter. Take for instance the Cesars/Horseshoe brand; if one their business affiliates makes a ruling for one of their progressives on the gaming floor that was against the customer (which happens for more often than you'd think), it really has no affect on the poker room either at that establishment or at an affiliate establishment. Your sabotage attempt of the poker room has no bearing.
In your example if Betcoin = WSOP then Caesaers = Betsoft and the third party also = Betsoft. Just read this ok? These are not assumptions, these are facts. This is directly from Jasons settlement with Betcoin, July 6th:
I hereby confirm that I have effectively cooperated and reached an agreement with Betcoin.ag and Betsoft in relation to a dispute over a jackpot payout. I agree that I may be called upon at any time in the future to make a statement provided by Betcoin.ag on any forum, as requested, in relation to this case.
I further agree to refrain from making any more negative statements about BetCoin.ag and Betsoft in regards to the matter involving this settlement, or I will be in breach of this agreement. This is what Betcoin.ag said on July 12th:
We don't want nor ever asked jasonort to keep his mouth shut. Betcoin also didn't pay jasonort off. This was an agreement between jasonort and the software provider Lutpin, the agreement is with the player and the software provider. This was never a dispute with Betcoin and our player. It was a dispute with our player and the software provider. As far as we are concerned, he can share any specifics that he wants and we never even asked him to sign an agreement with us. We never needed an agreement, a settlement or for him to shut up and encouraged him not to shut up and spoke to him nearly everyday about the matter. This was a dispute with the software provider. We actually want him to speak more about it and say whatever he wants. Do you think this should be considered acceptable behavior?Do you understand why it would be even worse if it turns out my assumptions are right and Betsoft is the parent company of Betcoin?
Put your affiliate deal aside and stand up for whats right. |
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Is this true: Participants in the vdice smart contract bear a small amount of risk from the
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Your screen of blockchain account has Russian interface. Interesting. It's not a screenshot, it's the actual blockchain website  You're seeing Russian interface because you're Russians... omg |
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Why do you think he would want to shoot off his balance while chatting with support claiming it wasn't him?
If he wins, obviously you aren't going to pay him.
What's the point?
It`s just a good show to make, most of the people really liked it. Of course, they think casino employees can rob player`s account while the player is online. None of that. But everybody believes that we did that. We were going to payout. That is why we asked him to divide it into small transactions, to make it every day approving them in portions. Our players can prove this way we do it with big wins. So either he drained his own account of 9+ btc to put on a good show for us. or You drained his account so that you wouldn't have to payout 9+ bitcoins. |
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It`s just a good show to make, most of the people really liked it. Of course, they think casino employees can rob player`s account while the player is online. None of that. But everybody believes that we did that.
We were going to payout.
That is why we asked him to divide it into small transactions, to make it every day approving them in portions. Our players can prove this way we do it with big wins.
What was the reason to ask him to make 49 x 200mbtc withdrawal? It does not make any senses to everyone. Is your casino do not have enough btc to pay 9.84btc at one time? I think 9.84 is not that big for such casino who offers big amount of jackpot. Just curious could just be a security issue, if you mess up the address or if something is not correctly processed it could mean the entire amount is gone No. It's because this casino is run by a bunch of incompetent scumbags. Same reason they offer mostly hacked games: Link |
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Why do you think he would want to shoot off his balance while chatting with support claiming it wasn't him?
If he wins, obviously you aren't going to pay him.
What's the point?
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Why do you think he would want to shoot off his balance while chatting with support claiming it wasn't him?
If he wins, obviously you aren't going to pay him.
What's the point?
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