Thank you for your input BayAreaCoins but in order to skip downloading a huge DOGE blockchain the core should be avoided. Something on the lines of Coinomi/Exodus type of wallet might be the way forward but I would not be happy about using them. Dogecoin core... what else do you need?
Also, all Dogecoin private keys are Bitcoin private keys too, so you can or could store your Dogecoin with your Bitcoin keys.
Trezor supports DOGE directly as well. |
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Stefanos Tsitsipas was losing 2 sets to 0 but came back to win this match and go through to the semi-final: Tsitsipas beats Nadal 3-6 2-6 7-6 6-4 7-5 to reach the semi-final of the Australian Open 2021 |
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With all the news surrounding the increase in DOGE value and the all time high it had just 9 days ago surely there should be better wallet options out there for those looking to hold and trade.
Other than a very old Multi-Doge wallet that has not been updated for years and clients such as Exodus/Atomic Wallet - there is not much else. I would have thought something would have been made available by now.
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Well what he accomplished was to drive this thread in to the gutter. qwizzie was a model member for this forum, always helping out in this thread and contributing in a fantastic way but since the trolls arrived they flooded the thread with nonsense. qwizzie worked so hard to maintain it and kept it updated with the latest news but he walked away from here citing the trolls and sock-puppets that infested this thread as the reason: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg56270697#msg56270697More than one user (me being one) has recently asked him to just go and fork Dash then start his own ANN thread but as always he has answers to stay in this thread but those answers defeat the object of every claim and allegation he made beforehand ....  I've explained this many times.
I think that's the problem. After repeating the same thing literally hundreds of times, you never stopped to consider whether the issues you believe to be outstanding have actually been baked into the price since Day 1 of the DASH masternode system. You should have realized a long time ago your words have zero effect on the course of DASH development, and if you were serious you would bring them up to people who actually have influence over the protocol rather than repeating yourself ad nauseum here... don't understand what it is you think you're accomplishing other than banging your head against the wall. |
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CHAMPIONS LEAGUE - ROUND OF 16 - 1ST LEG RESULTS: Barcelona 1-4 Paris Saint-Germain
RB Leipzig 0-2 LiverpoolLiverpool are back to winning ways after the win a tricky match at RB Leipzig. They had to play the game in the Puskas Arena in Budapest, Hungary because German officials did not allow Liverpool to play the game in Germany because of COVID-19 rules. It was supposed to be a night for Messi to shine but he faded and faded fast. After scoring the first goal to Barcelona a 1-0 lead, PSG fought back and it was Mbappe that was the star player who single-handedly destroyed Barcelona as he scored three goals. PSG thrashed Barcelona 1-4. Pique even tried to hold on to underwear that Mbappe was wearing but he failed  Messi looks like he had enough of Barcelona and will move to PSG or Manchester City at the end of the season on a free transfer. |
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The newbie OP has made just 1 post since registering and that was on 9th February 2021 to create this thread. After that he has not logged in. It is time to unwatch this thread and the related drama... The OP should have listed everything in detail so others would not have to write asking questions to get clarification. His post could easily have been: " I am interested in selling it for BTC (I have found a law firm that can work on the transaction).
I would appreciate any suggestions of how/where this could be marketed? Would anyone here be interested in purchasing a 7 seater car in Central London (W9)?" The onus is on the OP needs to put as much information out there as possible in order to generate interest. This sounds quite niche, why can't you use cash or fiat?
You might also want to list the value of the property. I've seen listings for quite a few things go up on this forum (Real Estate/yacht listings) but I'm not sure how well they do.
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I do wonder what would happen to the forum with regards to the number of daily/weekly/monthly posts if the promoting, managing and participating in signature campaigns were banned. What other motives remain for users to have multiple accounts apart from trolling and chatting to their alts? Signature campaigns are a big draw here.
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Here is the current EPL table. It is one of the closest ever seasons that I can remember. Only 11 points separate 1st place to 4th/5th place. Reigning champions Liverpool have now fallen to 6th place and out of a Champion League place. |
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AdkinsBET sock-puppets have now resorted to support scam accusations against rival websites I think 1xbit is by far the number 1 among the crook gangs. The worst part is that they don't have a gambling license. How can you have so much confidence in a site then? There are also sites without a license that do have a certain track record. Unfortunately, people don't read reviews before posting. BETB2B doesn't care about it either and they happily let 1xbit go their way. Understandable, given that you get a Revenue share. |
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IMO the best policy is to make everything transparent, and to make sure everyone involved is fully aware of the circumstances. Then why are you still claiming you didn't lose the election? If that's your true opinion, you are a hypocrite. I just noticed you changed his user name in the reply you quoted from Quickseller to PrimeNumber7 If the user isn't milking the forum for money the damage he cause is kind of acceptable.
However using multiple accounts without informing the public causes some other type of damage and it is not spamming.
Spam is the least of our problems here.
It is sockpuppeting.
If you have enough sockpuppets under your control, it is like having a media of your own. Like having an army of fake individuals. This is as dangerous as robbing the sig camps.
But if a person is determined enough, he/she can fool everyone else so it is pointless to try to fight this unless he/she makes huge mistakes and give signs. They sometimes do.
tldr; it is better to have one account per person but if they decide not to, you cannot do jackshit to counter it. According to your post if the user is not milking the forum for money then the damage is kind of acceptable but where do signature campaigns fit in to this? Nobody can milk the forum (website) directly but they can milk the signature campaigns or farm accounts to show false escrow transactions and then try to run off with stolen funds. What you said about having enough sock-puppets under your control is like having a media of your own - I agree with this and it is another down side of having multiple accounts because you can try to push forward your own agenda and where the negatives outweigh the positives. we're going towards communism Yup basically.. No alts in a sig camp accepted anonymously is a stupid rule because it’s unenforceable.. Breaching contracts is bad, but their gonna do it, and you’ll be chasing them forever.. Get rid of the rule.. It’s more fair anyway, if he can get 5 accounts in and you can’t even get one, he wins.. Completely fair.. Breaching contract though is untrustworthy.. You guys ever see the bait bike pranks on YouTube? Lol Signature campaigns all have their own rules, those signing up cannot dictate to the campaign managers what the rules should be. They sign up on the basis they agree to the rules therefore saying a cheat who enrolls 5 user accounts to a signature campaign is completely fair is anything but fair, it is exactly the opposite. If the campaign manager says they welcome sock-puppets and alt-accounts then there is no problem whatsoever but breaching rules is not acceptable. What alt accounts should not do is make posts in the same thread, giving the impression that there's a genuine conversation happening--that borders on spam, if you ask me, and I've caught people doing that in the past. And frankly, as long as the person with multiple accounts is making reasonably good posts across the board, who cares? Given that the forum treats alternate accounts as the same cryptographic identity and that the forum rules are applied to mentioned identities (e.g. bans, consecutive posts), I see no reason why talking to yourself (between two accounts) would not constitute as spam. Rather than write a single post that is edited with the content or rather than replying to other users, the individual is effectively inflating their posts and creating meaningless replies. Of course, once you start getting into multi-user discussions, it's a more complicated issue: do we have 51% discussion attacks where the alts control the conversation, yet are not considered spammers or rule-breakers because there is enough of an external flow of replies? What's the threshold here? A "51% discussion in threads" analogy is a perfect one to use under the circumstances. For duplicitous account operators who want to push out their agenda yet have no intention of entering signature campaigns, since the threshold can never be determined as it is down to individual opinion they too are rightly looked at with contempt. |
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RESULT:
West Ham United 3-0 Sheffield United
Chelsea 2-0 Newcastle United
West Ham are now in a European position sitting two points above Liverpool, their manager David Moyes has been a revelation because he has taken them from strength to strength. Sheffield United are 14 points from safety, they will not be able to stop their relegation and they still sit bottom of the EPL table as they have done all season.
Chelsea continue to improve under their new manager and Newcastle are getting closer to a relegation position they sit 7 points clear otherwise they are getting relegated.
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I never knew anything about that website, never even heard of it. So that is one of the places where people go to buy accounts registered in this forum either single or in bulk. I wonder what sort of money these sellers have made over the years for farming these accounts only to sell on later... |
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If there's a difference for the user entering multiple campaigns from the same or from different campaign managers, doesn't that imply it's also not acceptable for a campaign manager to manage more than one campaign?
If we're going towards communism anyway, shouldn't all users have equal chance of managing the campaign? And what if a campaign manager users multiple accounts to manage different campaigns? Is that acceptable? Zapo/aTriz comes to mind. Though the users Zapo and aTriz do sound familiar I cannot recall interacting with them and have no recollection of those names being involved in anything shady so cannot comment but in principle I think a campaign manager is hired in the knowledge he is working on multiple projects/campaigns. It is then the campaign manager who makes his own rules as to what conditions are in place before anybody could participate in his campaigns which would involve a ban on multiple accounts so I think there is a difference. For me, there is no issue using multiple accounts if he/she doesn't abuse forum rules & campaign rules as well. Never mind if the accounts as known or hidden. Because forum allows to create multiple accounts, and currently it's not very easy to build an account on the forum due to the merit system. If the campaign manager allows multiple accounts from the same person, then it shouldn't count campaign abuse since the manager is aware of that. But honestly, it's really not looking good. Joining different campaigns under different managers would be a nice choice to avoid campaign abuse. I would think that might be a reasonable thing to do though there is no perfect way to handle it simply because there in no consensus in the forum about it. Some might find it acceptable if using multiple accounts for signature campaigns but not using the same campaign manager twice unless they are told of the accounts before participation - might be something for those involved with multiple accounts in a single campaign should consider. |
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RESULTS: Arsenal 4-2 Leeds United
Everton 0-2 FulhamArsenal get three points against Leeds but the game that stands out for me was the one at Everton because Fulham who are in 18th position in the EPL table won 0-2 and are now just 7 points away from safety. They might catch 17th place Newcastle within the next 3-4 games |
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The conclusion: involving Alt's account in the campaign, companies, managers, cannot accept, because they are classified as greedy and evil.
Meaning: such an act is unacceptable. I understand your sentiments I really do but within the scenarios you stated my opinion is the word greedy would be applicable but evil is a bit excessive... The last two points 7 and 8, in my opinion, are the most normal reasons why owning multiple accounts will not raise any suspicion or accusations. Let the user hide his alternate entry if he does not commit any negative actions, but does not want to talk about it, this is his right.
Seriously speaking, why does one user need to have more than 2 accounts? This is already beyond the normal range, in my opinion. And hints at some split personality. And thus, it is not difficult to guess that they will be used for fraud.
Having several accounts for promoting bounty programs and not making the most naive mistakes, I think, is also not prohibited.
We must always take into account the fact that if we accuse someone, we must have a decent evidence base. And if it is not there, then there is no one to blame, that is, there are no prohibitions on what cannot be proved. People could have a whole host of reasons why they would use more than one account in the forum. Maybe the common reasons would be to join multiple signature campaigns but there have to be other reasons too and not all of them have to involve deception. I don't have a problem with people using alt accounts to participate in multiple signature campaigns/bounties, as long as they're not using more than one account in the same campaign/bounty. Nor does it matter to me who the campaign manager is. If someone was enrolled in two of Yahoo62278's campaigns, I think that's not against the rules and I don't think it's morally or ethically wrong.
What alt accounts should not do is make posts in the same thread, giving the impression that there's a genuine conversation happening--that borders on spam, if you ask me, and I've caught people doing that in the past. And frankly, as long as the person with multiple accounts is making reasonably good posts across the board, who cares?
And whether any of us like alt accounts or not, it's up to the campaign/bounty managers to create the rules that deal with them. Interesting views. I would have thought most users might be thinking two things: First, that using multiple accounts for signature campaigns are acceptable as long as they are not enrolled in the same campaign using more than one account unless it is with explicit acceptance from the campaign manager - therefore the campaign manger would know either via PM or off forum chat. Second, that using multiple accounts for signature campaigns are acceptable as long as they are not using the same campaign in more than one campaign. Hopefully others will start posting here to share their views.... |
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RESULTS: Southampton 1-2 Wolverhampton Wanderers
West Bromwich Albion 1-1 Manchester United
Arsenal vs Leeds United
Everton vs FulhamI thought I added the fixture list for the games taking place today  Anyway, Wolves get 3 points at Southampton. Manchester United only manage a draw against West Brom. Arsenal vs Leeds and Everton vs Fulham games are taking place later. |
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Loyce I am about to update the thread with more options but I think I get your point  6) Under no circumstances should single users operate more than one account (except for account recovery purposes) Nice one! A reminder: the forum's mission to be as free as possible. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it. Even hilariousandco/ etc joined 2 different signature campaigns. I don't see a problem with that, as long as it's not done in secret. And that secret part is the key: if you know what you're doing wouldn't be accepted if it came out, you shouldn't be doing it. |
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There is an excellent thread created by nutildah where he exposed a user and his many alt-accounts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.0In light of the on-going conversation regarding whether it is morally or ethically correct for a single user controlling and operating multiple accounts for the sake of earning crypto for displaying a signature, I wanted to add to this and ask direct questions while seeking consensus:
1- If a single user uses multiple accounts to promote and participate in the same signature campaign - is that acceptable?
2- If a single user uses multiple accounts to promote and participate in different/unrelated signature campaigns using the same campaign manager more than once - is that acceptable?
3- If a single user uses multiple accounts to promote and participate in different/unrelated signature campaigns never using the same campaign manager more than once - is that acceptable?
4- If a single user uses multiple accounts not to promote and participate in signature campaigns but simply posts either to their own other accounts or in general to other users - is that acceptable?
5- If a single user uses multiple accounts not to promote and participate in signature campaigns but simply posts either to their own other accounts or in general or for nefarious purposes - is that acceptable?
6- Under no circumstances should single users operate more than one account (except for account recovery purposes)
7- If a single user uses multiple accounts on multiple devices (pc/mobile) but hides their other accounts - is that acceptable?
8- If a single user uses multiple accounts on multiple devices (pc/mobile) but makes it openly known it is their account - is that acceptable?
I have read the thread in question and in part enjoyed some of the debate which essentially boils down to some users which are saying if someone managed to get multiple accounts on to a signature campaign then no harm done and the fact they were not removed earlier means they had a certain quality of posting the other side which says multiple accounts stop others from getting on to the same campaign and it is deception and cheating. Of course another part of the equation are the terms and conditions of participating in those signature campaigns because most if not all do not allow multiple accounts. Though every single permutation cannot be listed I have chose six, it would be interesting to see the results of the poll but at the same time all views are invited so kindly post here and share them. |
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I created a thread about this a couple of weeks ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313867.0~AdkinsBET
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This was the state of their sock-puppet Last Active timings in the run up to them using 7 different logins to post in that thread before they locked it. |
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RESULTS:
Crystal Palace 0-3 Burnley
Manchester City 3-0 Tottenham Hotspur
Brighton and Hove Albion 0-0 Aston Villa
Crystal Palace are just playing average football one week, mediocre the next week and excellent another week but Burnley really been playing excellent football recently. Of their last 6 EPL games they have W3 D1 L2.
Manchester City demolished Tottenham 3-0 and sit comfortably at the top of the EPL table. They will will comfortable winners at the end of the season but Leicester will not allow Manchester United an easy ride to second place they will want to be runners-up themselves.
A fantastic football season so far...
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