Why should Ken bother with paying out divs when he dont had time to bring the shares to an exchange where divs can be paid out automatically? Doesnt make sense. And by the way... we dont have our own miners yet. What do you want with some satoshis now?

Theres a slight chance that ken ordered the foundry queue already weeks ago but the "good news in 8 weeks" sounds more like thats not the case.

Crypto-stock -> account -> legend

btctc.co you got your key by email like deizel wrote.

Ah... thats what happened... didnt notice this somehow.

Ukyo... i hope your plans work. Somehow it sounds like you still work on a technical solution to get the coins back. It doesnt match to you claiming that the coins are gone "how you have seen" but i think short time its better to let you try things.

Install ProxMate in Firefox... it unblocks videos automatically for free. It did it for me with the video too.

I dont see that this is needed too. The house advantage at just-dice can stay at 1% like it always was, no other pool needed in my eyes. The kelly value is different from the house advantage.


Im not sure if im wrong now but i believe that wouldnt be a problem. At the moment there is only one value. The house. Every investment and divestment is calculated to or from it. When someone would invest at 1% kelly then the house would grow by the investment in total. The max profit wouldnt be a fixed value then anymore, taken from the house value, it would be its own value. So when someone adds an investment at 0.5% then the max profit is rising 0.5% of that investment. If someone invests at 1% kelly then max profit is rising 1% of the new investment.
While playing the house value and the max profit value is adjusted accordingly to the results of the bets and when someone is divesting the change of max profit value in comparison to the value of max profit at the time of investment is taken for calculating the profit or loss. I think thats just like it works now and it should even work with fully free adjustable kelly values. Only that the calculated max profit is independent from the kelly value then.
I might have a thought error i didnt see though.


I guess! that the server at the moment not even is using 5% of the CPU. I wouldnt know otherwise what its used for. I think the variable kelly wouldnt need a much higher CPU-Usage because the calculation of max profit out of the house or max profit calculating out of the last bets shouldnt mean a difference that is so much away from current status. (Under the premise i mentioned above...)

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So you dont want to take a higher risk but dont want that others take it too? I dont see the problem. Either you want the higher profit and take the risk or you play it safe. But at the moment its mathematically nonoptimal because some didnt want to take the risk of variance. Even though the past has shown that stochastics work pretty fine like it should.
Its correct that max profit bets are played seldom but then again... thats what a risk setting would be for. Setting your personal comfort zone between risk and possible gain.

Daytrading? For me it looks more like people invest when the profits are on top and divest when its below the value it should be. But i didnt observe that long enough maybe.

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Anyone knows when the charts at https://bitcoinproject.net/ are back?

*lol* Somehow i must have angried you. Its some time since i read such a tirade that not even includes any fact besides ranting and naming.

There are others that lost way more. I wonder why the thread with the list of claims doesnt contain the list anymore...

The fuse looks intact... must be something worse...

Why adjustable chances when just-dice could be a simple even bet site?

And what confusion? The gambler wouldnt see a difference at all and for investors that dont care wouldnt change anything at all too. They would stay at 0.5% as usual. But for all others there is a chance to adjust.

Its not hard to implement. When the profit per person really is calculated while divesting then the profit would be calculated by the set risk level. Before that at investing the playable max profit is adjusted matching the investors risk level too. Doesnt sound like many more calculations to me. I think even fully free setable risk levels could be possible. Though im not sure why someone wrote about too much calculations then. As far as i see it at the moment its only an adjustment in code, a database entry for risk level of every investor and a database field for the playable max profit for the house is new. Adjusted at every in- or divestment.

Thanks for explaining maqifrnswa!


For a house advantage of 1% it would mean that 0.5% of your complete investment is taken and 1% of my full investment is taken and added to the max profit value. Thats the maximum a gambler can play for then. In case he plays for full profit as target and he wins i lose 1% of my investment and you 0.5%. If he loses we win proportionally to the risk played. It all boils down to the amount of bitcoins put into the jar that contains the winable amount of bitcoins.


I think 1a and 1b are practically the same. I believe you misread UserBankroll as Bankroll. I would be fine with 1b if its the better solution. Too much finetuning isnt needed anyway i think.

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Why so conservative? If things run why change? What about making things better?

Might be that doog is set and dont need to change the website but still we can ask if he would do it. I await he would develop and test things on a clone website so there is no downside i see.

Wheres the fuse and what do i have to do to replace it when its broken? One bitburner xx stopped working and doesnt react at all so i wanted to see if a fuse is broken. Only i dont know where it is and dont see broken things.

It means adjusting the kelly percent. First just-dice ran with 1% kelly with is the optimum to get the most profits with the least risk. Now just-dice runs with 0.5% kelly which means 3/4 profit with much less variance. And the kelly value determines what amount of the house can be taken to play by gamblers. Since we only have a house advantage of 1% and 0.5% kelly that means 0.5% of the house can be won in one game. But some would like to risk more of their investment. That works like dicenow shows. Players that play a bigger investment then risk more of their investment and have the chance to lose more of course. At 2% kelly an investor should make no profit anymore when gamblers play full profit. Its not growing or shrinking in average.

At the end the only effekt of different kelly values would be the playable money is raised or lowered depending on the risk level the investors use.

Im not sure about API. Is there really such a demand for players that want to use a bot? I mean at the end they need bitcoins first to gamble with. I doubt a bit that this will lead to a significant more bitcoins gamed but of course it would be a feature.

Its nothing esoteric. Its already done at dicenow, only with fixed values to chose from. And its not really much to code in my eyes. Of course i dont know the website code here.

It could lead to more players when investors raise their kelly percent. Because then the max profit is rising and you could advertise with higher max wins.

Can you explain how you want to make profit when VMC has miners in 4 months only? Even with the best miner VMC is selling now and you start mining on february the first... you will not even double your investment in 6 months. Starting to mine in march the first means no profit at all. And you speak about 4 months from now? I wonder what profit margin you see on the price on VMC-Miners. I think you are too optimistic. http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

And please stop naming sceptics. I lost way more bitcoins on mining companies than i would like to admit. Being sensitive to problems is nothing bad. Bad is only when people are so fearful that they crush the small hope to make something a success still by doing something stupid.

I would donate for that possibility if dooglus would be willing to implement it. Perfectly would be a kelly percent you can chose freely, not even fixed values to chose from. For gamblers it wouldnt change anything than most probably the max profit. For investors wouldnt change anything either except they want to. And the calculation behind would be done automatically by the site.
To be on the sure side there should be a warning so that noobs dont complain later when the risk didnt work out.
At the end i believe anyone can only win with it. Gambler can play higher, investors can play riskier or play safe and the attracted gamblers would lead to dooglus getting more profit. Win-Win-Win.

Nope... the only thing i keep getting told is that he seems to have a plan and that this plan seems to be the best chance to get the bitcoins back. I dont have a clue what plan that might be but i think there is not much other to do than letting ukyo try this plan. Though it would be helpful to know a timeframe for that plan.

So VMC sold miners for thousands of bitcoins. And we have a delay of months. Were are all the customers? With every other miner selling company you saw threads filled with customers that are angry and want their money back. Only think about avalon batch 3. But VMC has nothing like that?

That sounds really strange und unusual. I cant believe that the refunds are working so flawless that no one complains. I mean refunds are in USD and even when someone got a refund he would write about it right? But nothing from any customer? Can this be?

The worst thing in this all seems to me that we seemingly had a working prototype but ken decided we need a redesign.

Regarding forum deletions... i dont see that ken is deleting critics totally. Not one of my critic posts vanished. So i wonder what posts are deleted.

Indeed... thats strange. Either he has no time or he has time to delete posts he doesnt like. I dont know. The only other solution is that that work is done by others but he always is saying he cant work on the shares because he has to work on the core of VMC. That contradicts that he has time to delete posts here...

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I dont see him hurt. I guess thats again some piece of ken's rhetoric's. He probably shipped the prototype to a customer. Then he could claim that he started to ship miners. And thats why we never got another profit of that prototype board after the testrun.
So no, i dont see that a sling can be made out of this.

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So can someone enlighten me? Ken hired an RTL team and that means he is designing the chip again? After the protoype already worked? I have read the last update the way that he redesigns the board to meet intellihash. If he really redesigns the ASIC's that means eASIC wasnt good enough for him and he starts over. He wouldnt have enough bitcoins for that and it would take months from now.
I cant see how things could go that badly. I regret i didnt buy when the first results in hashing came in. Now i have to watch my investment die it seems.
If this really all came only from perfectionism... earning 20%, while those 20% would be eaten in 2 weeks diff updates already, and we now slowly turn to 75% loss in the meanwhile and its still open how many months it will take from now... if thats true... i really want to kick someone in the balls. I know i wouldnt do it but if my assumptions are true i would like someone guilty at least imagine it vividly...

My theory is that ken shipped his prototype board. Thats why we dont get any earnings from that board anymore after he tested it. Then he could claim he shipped. Again its cheap rhetorics on his side that i really dislike and i hope he comes to mind. I dont wand to have the next "Duke Nukem Forever". (Google it when you dont see what i mean. Perfectionism...)

You believe that some would get paid because they sue and the rest gets nothing? Thats not how it works. If you sue all debts from ken come on the table. There is no "early advantage" for the first sueing. You would get the same per share like any shareholder.

Next thing... how will you prove you have shares?

And... only because people "believe" ken has stolen bitcoins or still have many bitcoins doesnt make it true. You hopefully realize that the IPO was in the height needed to create the chips and miners right? And you know eASIC is paid and and and. Im puzzled where you want to get the money from. Dont tell me from the preorders because im pretty sure customers come first to be refunded before anyone "owning" a part of the company/revenue. Shareholders are last in line. So what will you get out?