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521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: facebook should incorporate bitcoin as soon as possible! on: February 25, 2015, 12:41:21 AM
Facebook and Bitcoin are both centralised and neither will be around in 5 years because, well, they are centralised and If you haven't noticed the world is heading in a decentralized direction.

Any company is centralized, so if what you said was true, no company should exist nowadays. But we have Coca-Cola, which has existed for more than 120 years. And frankly I don't see Coca-Cola disappearing anytime soon, despite the fact that open source alternatives exist (seriously).

At least I would like to think that anyway

The fact that you think that way doesn't make it real.
522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where Will Bitcoin Be In 2 Years? on: February 25, 2015, 12:31:50 AM
People wont be using bitcoin, like people don't use Altavista now.

That's just delusional.
"People wont be using TCP/IP" same shit.

People don't even know what TCP/IP is.
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Not everyone can run a full node, and that's OK on: February 23, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
in 2015, you can buy an SSD with 1To.


that my answer of the 33Go of the blockchain (ridiculous thing = 0,33 % of the SSD ...).


Cost: 400$

Benefit: None

What an amazing deal !

The benefit is securing the Bitcoin network. Why do you say it's none?
524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Not everyone can run a full node, and that's OK on: February 23, 2015, 09:38:58 PM
Given the recent hard fork proposal, I've noticed there are some complains about how increasing the block size means it would be cost prohibitive to run a full node, because of either storage or bandwidth issues.

However, I think that these people are complaining about a non problem. First, Satoshi himself stated that his vision of Bitcoin would be that as it becomes more popular and more widely used, most people would start to use SPV clients, and that full nodes and miners would only be available to few dedicated servers. So, Satoshi understood that decentralization doesn't mean that everyone can be a full node, but that everyone with the resources could become one, in the same way that in a free market, not everyone can sell products, but everyone with the resources and willing to invest can start to sell them.

Now, some people dislike when Satoshi is brought up because they feel it's an appeal to authority fallacy, and I agree with that. However, there are other arguments that support his idea.

I've said in another thread that the key to the success of humanity as species is specialization. Since the times of the first humans, there were hunters that went all day looking for animals to eat, and others who stayed at home taking care of the crops and the rest of the people such as kids.

As time progressed, humans have had more diverse and specific activities, I don't even know how many. For example, a student can choose to be an accountant, a graphic designer, an architect, a programmer, a civil engineer, a physicist, an entrepreneur, etc. They may choose not than one career, but trying to do all of them is unrealistic. Society works because there are people that know how to do one thing, but how to do it perfectly.

Another idea, already presented in other thread, is that not everything should be decentralized. Decentralization needs consensus of everyone involved for it to work, and as we've seen before, said consensus is quite difficult to obtain. Consensus also means that people understand the topic they're deciding about, which most of the time doesn't happen. People, as specialized as I've said, can only be expert in so many topics, and so expecting them to decide on everything turns out to be far from ideal, since they will choose what they think might work, it just choose what everybody else is choosing without even understanding what's going on. And this already happens with government elections. People sometimes vote for the most handsome candidate (and I've seen it, it's not a joke).

OK, so that's about consensus and specialization, but there's another issue here. Opponents of the fork argue that the new block size would severely limit access to the full node for those who can't afford larger bandwidth plans. But they somehow assume that the current software can be used by anyone in the world. To begin, around 40% of the world population has an internet connection today (http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/), which means that 60% just can't host a full node (how could they?). If you want to make the full node more inclusive, you need not to leave the limit at 1 MB, but actually decrease it to 0 MB so that everyone can participate (mathematically this makes sense, but it's obvious why this doesn't make sense). The other only option would be to give everyone Internet, but that it's tangential and not part of Bitcoin or Satoshi's plan.

Now, let's take the 40% that do have Internet. Can everyone have a full node? Should everyone? Well, no. Having a full node essentially means running a server (this was true even in 2009, but the servers were smaller). And running a server is not something everyone can do. We've talked about specialization before, and running a server requires knowledge of computers, networking, and protocols (in this case, the Bitcoin protocol). Someone that wants to run a full node either needs to already know about these concepts or be willing to learn about them. And then there's consensus.

Bitcoin is decentralized, so every time a new version is proposed, it means nothing until 95% of the network is willing to run it. Full node users must make the decision whether to do the upgrade or not, which ideally should be done if they are capable of taking that decision, not just leaving it to random chance or letting other people decide for them.

So, summarizing, why is the new block limit a bad idea? Because then not everyone could be able to run a full node? There are people right now who can't run it, and people willing to do it may not be prepared to deal with the responsibility of maintaining the server.

Let specialization do its work and allow anyone capable and with the resources to run the full nodes.
525  Other / Off-topic / Re: A huge solar blast occured 2 days ago on: February 23, 2015, 09:02:24 PM
This thread has nothing to do with bitcoin, which contrary to popular belief, doesn't even need the internet or computers or electricity to survive.

How can the Bitcoin system realistically survive without electricity?

It won't. Thats why we need to introduce offchain transactions , which can exist without elecctricity. I think thats what Gates is working on.

How can offchain transactions realistically survive without electricity?
526  Other / Off-topic / Re: A huge solar blast occured 2 days ago on: February 23, 2015, 09:01:05 PM

I would really appreciate it if you didn't alter my quotes.
527  Other / Off-topic / Re: A huge solar blast occured 2 days ago on: February 23, 2015, 08:08:43 PM
How can the Bitcoin system realistically survive without electricity?
Good old pencil and paper + carrier pigeons.

This is not realistic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=801196.0

Now, let me turn that question around: How can you survive without electricity? If the world loses electricity, you wouldn't be worried about bitcoin, you'd be worried about survival.

Of course not, electricity is a fundamental part of my life. But you were the one that suggested that electricity is not needed for Bitcoin to work.
528  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: How to get QR code from mobile phone to PC? on: February 23, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
Try taking a screenshot of your phone.

http://lifehacker.com/5994516/how-to-take-a-screenshot-on-android

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Take-A-Screenshot-on-iPhone-6/

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-to/wp8/photos/take-a-screenshot
529  Other / Off-topic / Re: A huge solar blast occured 2 days ago on: February 23, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
This thread has nothing to do with bitcoin, which contrary to popular belief, doesn't even need the internet or computers or electricity to survive.

How can the Bitcoin system realistically survive without electricity?
530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 23, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
Go away.

If a standard size font doesn't work, maybe a big size font will get my message across.
531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Is Bitcoin for EVERYONE or just a new ELITE? Vote! on: February 23, 2015, 07:07:55 PM
Yes, but that's just how money works, and Bitcoin was not designed to solve the money distribution problem. The point here is that everyone can use Bitcoin, even if they don't have the big amount early adopters have.

What problem is this?

Nothing. It was just a statement.
532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Is Bitcoin for EVERYONE or just a new ELITE? Vote! on: February 23, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
Bitcoin just like dollars will always be for everyone. Some people will always have more of both dollars and bitcoin. With that, they will exert more control. I guess you could say Bitcoin is for both the new elite and everyone, not just one or the other.

Are you saying that the elite is not part of everyone?

Yes they are, but everyone is not a member of the elite.

Then you can't pick “just one or the other”, as you said. Either it's for the elite, or it's for everyone (including the elite).
533  Other / New forum software / Re: New forum - Smiley ? on: February 23, 2015, 04:20:54 PM
Why not just use the Unicode Emoji we all know?
534  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 23, 2015, 02:55:23 PM
Thanks for stripping away my human rights. I really appreciate it.

There are no rights; only individual preferences.

Tell it to big brother, cry-baby.

It's dangerous to deal with people who think that rights can just be suppressed.
535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Is Bitcoin for EVERYONE or just a new ELITE? Vote! on: February 23, 2015, 02:53:05 PM
Bitcoin just like dollars will always be for everyone. Some people will always have more of both dollars and bitcoin. With that, they will exert more control. I guess you could say Bitcoin is for both the new elite and everyone, not just one or the other.

Are you saying that the elite is not part of everyone?
536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 23, 2015, 01:28:41 PM
I didn't know being in WoT was necessary to be able to use Bitcoin. Does that mean all those bitcoins I've sent all these years are invalid?

It means that those bitcoin were sent from a non-person. Even automated scripts can send a transaction; don't feel too special.

Thanks for stripping away my human rights. I really appreciate it.
537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Is Bitcoin for EVERYONE or just a new ELITE? Vote! on: February 23, 2015, 01:06:34 PM
Control of resources and power always migrates to those with luck, intellect and ability. Everyone on the globe can use dollars but a few small groups of individuals control the system. Bitcoin will be no different. The control of Bitcoin already rests in the hands of a small select group of businessmen and devs even though individuals around the world are using it.

Yes, but that's just how money works, and Bitcoin was not designed to solve the money distribution problem. The point here is that everyone can use Bitcoin, even if they don't have the big amount early adopters have.
538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 23, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
I think it's better than fuckin' it right now in two clicks because it's easy (or you are paid by USG to fuck it)

“You don't agree with me? You must be from the USG!!!!1!1!!11”. Whoever those guys are. I feel you're just making up acronyms.
539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 23, 2015, 12:53:55 PM
Blocks won't be instantly full when the limit is raised, so there's no point in going with “not so big blocks”. Unless you have another argument for doing it.

Yes, we know.

I want the spam limit to be lower, and not exponential.

This 20 MB + EXPONENTIAL growth would be an invitation for all kinds of services to spam the blockchain

No, it's not. Why would you think so? Transactions still need fees to get processed. People trying to spam will simply gave their transactions delayed or never confirmed, or it will cost them too much.
540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 23, 2015, 12:22:11 PM
People have discussed sidechains and pruning and other suggestions, but the fact is, they will take time to implement to make sure they actually work.  A 20MB blocksize is a far more simple solution that will work right now and until I hear something better, that's the one I'll be supporting.

Ok, but, see, we can go for 2-5-8 MB limit (wihtout exponential growth) before we hit the limit, and use the time gained by shooting the can to invent something better

It's not so urgent that our only choice is to implement exponential size growth

What you are saying now is, let's go exponential, maybe we can sustain it.

Blocks won't be instantly full when the limit is raised, so there's no point in going with “not so big blocks”. Unless you have another argument for doing it.
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