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5281  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: November 10, 2012, 12:41:03 AM
As a miner i am glad still above 10.
If i was a speculator i would be shocked if still above 10 by christmas.

i guess miners make for poor speculators then, i see that as a good sign  Smiley

It's hard to forget that every coin at some point belongs to a miner, I'm disappointed in you.
5282  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Poll] Oil speculation on: November 09, 2012, 09:32:29 PM
You guys forget one important factor related to Oil Prices. War.

It contributes to higher prices in thee accords: At first it is concentrated in strategic regions where there is oil in the ground. This will create artificial scarcity and drive up prices.
Second all those drones, jets and the whole marine fleet consume an increasing amount of fuel.
Third Oil is an important raw material for war machinery, there is fuel consumed by constructing it and every time an actual hot conflict takes place the destroyed infrastructure needs to be rebuilt.

And finally all of the above makes oil a big target for the pump & dumpers on wall street.
5283  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 08, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Psyops combined with making sure your technology is as current as theirs?

So... you'd steal it?

Actually that would be defrauding it.
5284  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: November 08, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
Where is the volume gone?

not sure what you mean....the volume has be pretty high the past couple of weeks.
since price doubled the volume is only slightly lower. Volume in Currency is nearly double what it was only a few months ago.
i`m not sure what's holding us back from going to 100$ pre coin and simple selling less of them Wink

Nobody would be willing to deal with 3 digit coins until well after the block-reward halving occurs.
5285  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 08, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
In transhumanism it refers to self-improving machines which again can not be constructed by definition. Every machine will still have a constraint defined by the parameters it is programmed even if it is able to construct copies of itself and use stochastic processes to fine-tune the parameters.

I'm no expert but it seems to me that you're talking about twentieth century style AI.   Nowadays computing engineers for AI use genetic algorithms, artificial neural networks and stuff like that.  They don't program the behavior of the machine.   Moreover, your brain also has "parameters":  the maximum number of neurons, the physical laws they obey, and so on.   A computer might actually have more degrees of freedom than your brain can ever have.

Again a machine is by definition lifeless. Discussing a hypothetical scenario where we could enable life makes no sense since we have no idea how it could be accomplished.
Genetic algorithms and artificial networks are exactly what falls under computer science as the subject of "AI" they are exactly the mathematical processes I was referring to.
5286  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 08, 2012, 04:09:37 PM

Nothing is the only thing that is impossible, and I (and I would argue no one else) still do not KNOW this.

Except when something is impossible by definition.
Could it be possibly to enable mechanical life some day? Who knows, but that wouldn't be artificial nor a machine.
5287  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 08, 2012, 03:53:58 PM
Imagine a world where both a Binding Contract and Artificial Intelligence are considered the product of fanatic nutjobs imagination as a general consensus in society.

The world would be so much better.  Smiley

Electricity is arguably a product of "fanatic nutjobs imagination" ...  If you have any problems with it, like the nice man from the electric monopoly company said when he came to turn my power off one time,
"There are other alternatives"

...
I looked at him like  Huh Roll Eyes and flipped him off as hard as I could.

Artificial Intelligence is a cybernetically impossible transformation. It's just not possible to create it, by definition.

Machines can be arbitrarily complex but they are defined in such a way that they depend on Man to control them. In computer science AI is used as a weasel word to describe mechanisms which attempt to solve problems using mathematical concepts which should, in theory enable the machine to compute solutions for problems it wouldn't have sufficient computational strength using other methods.
In transhumanism it refers to self-improving machines which again can not be constructed by definition. Every machine will still have a constraint defined by the parameters it is programmed even if it is able to construct copies of itself and use stochastic processes to fine-tune the parameters.
5288  Economy / Economics / Re: Has the 'Bitcoin Experiment' changed your political or economic views at all? on: November 08, 2012, 02:57:02 AM
The Bitcoin forum thought me about libertarian ideology and it's fallacies by first hand observation. At some time I even considered them bearable but not anymore, they are selfish, rude and hypocritical.

I still consider myself an anarchist and have assumed that libertarians share some of my views, but sadly from what I've leaned here nothing can be further from the truth. They propose a system where a binding contract is enforced by hierarchical structures which is ultimately harmful. Debt should never be considered to be backed by law because it undermines trust. Payment should be instant and the fulfilment of debt voluntary.
Bitcoin is a good example of a system which ultimately doesn't work with debt (or more specifically profiting from other people debt) and the recent failures within this community are directly linked to libertarian ideology.
5289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Now that Obama's in for 4 more... on: November 08, 2012, 01:12:30 AM
If it's going to happen, better to rip the bandaid off fast rather than the long slow agonizing pull, and hope it comes to a head in my lifetime to save my kids and grandbabies.

You want your kids to live in a  collapsed society?

What makes you think we aren't already?

The fact that I can buy food easily.  
Poor qualification. Food is readily available in Kenya and Somalia, as well.
What's keeping you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0 (yeah I know cheap, but I just had to...)
5290  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Trendon Shavers - Pirate Pass Through - Crowdsource list on: November 08, 2012, 01:11:00 AM
Sad thing is, even coblee the creator of Litecoin ran a passthrough https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91240.0

coblee repaid all the investors of his pass-through with his own money. No investors of this PPT is owed any money of any sort.

The only list where coblee has to be is in the "members of honor" list.

*EDIT*
Considering the goal of this thread, I think it's safe to say that the amount invested by his LTCPPT is a loss to coblee though. You could ask him how much he loss and add it to the total amount. But you should separate coblee from the rest of the PPT, since it's the only PPT to have never defaulted and that paid back everything.

I haven't realized that, coblee is that nice of a guy. That gives me a shred of hope for this community, at least for that tiny part of it.
5291  Economy / Services / Re: Drawing contest, win 5 BTC on: November 08, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Lol I'm not talented for this.

Here is it anyway  Cheesy

But at least it has a leaf Wink
5292  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 10:50:15 PM
Then I can safely label you "Evil." Buh-bye now, crazy evil person.

That is also poethic justice, you see for every person who would be left for dead in a Libertarian wonderland there is one satoshi illegally possessed by pirate. (Purposefully exaggerated, your mileage may vary)
5293  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 10:36:06 PM
Imagine a world where both a Binding Contract and Artificial Intelligence are considered the product of fanatic nutjobs imagination as a general consensus in society.

The world would be so much better.  Smiley

Yup, a world where you didn't have to do what you agreed to, ever. Sounds like Paradise.
I'm glad you agree.  Grin
I didn't say for who...
I'm fine with that. Poetic justice nothing more.
5294  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
Imagine a world where both a Binding Contract and Artificial Intelligence are considered the product of fanatic nutjobs imagination as a general consensus in society.

The world would be so much better.  Smiley

Yup, a world where you didn't have to do what you agreed to, ever. Sounds like Paradise.
I'm glad you agree.  You see it's that easy to get along Grin
5295  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 10:24:28 PM
Imagine a world where both a Binding Contract and Artificial Intelligence are considered the product of fanatic nutjobs imagination as a general consensus in society.

The world would be so much better.  Smiley
5296  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 01:04:32 PM
This whole thread is incredible - Libertarians vs. Transhumanists, it's the ultimate Internet war.
Like cyborgs vs pirates, just with logical fallacies instead of bullets.
5297  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 02:25:11 AM
http://goo.gl/lhr5V
5298  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 02:14:05 AM
I'm not wikipedia.
5299  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
Considering an infinite universe it must contain an infinite amount of energy and matter if it's density is above zero. Given infinite time we can access an infinite amount of it these conditions are true.

OK, you've got me there. Given an infinite amount of time, and a way to get to it, we could collect an infinite amount of energy. Of course, all the stars in our galaxy are eventually going to burn out, and the other galaxies are all accelerating away, so getting there may be the biggest hurdle. But hey, we have infinite time to fly through the deep dark to get there, right? At least, until the stored energy from the last of our suns runs out...

You still are assuming conditions postulated by big bang cosmology. For instance you assume all galaxies are moving away from us,
That is not an assumption. That is an observation. And they're not just moving away, they're accelerating.

Yes it is. They are interpreting redshit this way. Other interpretations are not only possible but have been done consistently.
5300  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: November 07, 2012, 01:32:05 AM
Considering an infinite universe it must contain an infinite amount of energy and matter if it's density is above zero. Given infinite time we can access an infinite amount of it these conditions are true.

OK, you've got me there. Given an infinite amount of time, and a way to get to it, we could collect an infinite amount of energy. Of course, all the stars in our galaxy are eventually going to burn out, and the other galaxies are all accelerating away, so getting there may be the biggest hurdle. But hey, we have infinite time to fly through the deep dark to get there, right? At least, until the stored energy from the last of our suns runs out...

You still are assuming conditions postulated by big bang cosmology. For instance you assume all galaxies are moving away from us, assume all stars will eventually burn out (without new ones to replace them).
Given an infinite universe there could very well be a case where matter is created out of literally nothing.... I know, I know we are getting into fringe science here. But there is almost no research into this subject so I might as well assume all of those conditions could be true.
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