Let me be absolutely clear:
Infinity does not exist.
How can you be certain about that? There are several scientific theories which state an infinite universe. It doesn't matter. Even if the universe is truly infinite, in all directions, we couldn't begin to measure it, or access the energy contained in all of it. (warning, heavy physics ahead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_structure) For practical purposes, even if infinity exists, there's no such thing as infinite energy. Cheap, plentiful energy, yes. But not infinite. Considering an infinite universe it must contain an infinite amount of energy and matter if it's density is above zero. Given infinite time we can access an infinite amount of it (not necessarily all of it) if these conditions are true. Your wikipedia link means nothing for this discussion since it is part of the current academic consensus (or more specifically big bang cosmology) and thus conflicting with any theory which proposes an infinite universe.
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Altera Hardcopy is "65nm" too.
Of course they won't admit that they are using it.
I don't see 65nm on the product page: http://goo.gl/LhjH7Ok they probably are not using Altera Hardcopy. Perhaps Xilinx Easypath? You see there are several companies who off fpga conversion "ASICs", I don't know them all.
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Altera Hardcopy is "65nm" too.
Of course they won't admit that they are using it.
You're saying they are lying about creating a full custom ASIC? Yes
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Let me be absolutely clear:
Infinity does not exist.
How can you be certain about that? There are several scientific theories which state an infinite universe. They may not be the academic consensus but they are there. And we are far from the point where we can say we know that they are fallacious. BTW: Ever heard of surreal numbers? I guess not ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Altera Hardcopy is "65nm" too.
Of course they won't admit that they are using it.
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Oh right, my bad.
Keep in mind: You are arguing with libertarians who believe everything should be charged for. It's their religion, they think money to be the ultimate messiahs. Might as well argue with a cow about toilets.
LoL I am very close to libertarian ideas myself, you know. Actually, I usually agree with most of what Myrkul write iirc. But not on this, apparently. Then you are not a libertarian. The boundaries around this ideology are quite strict. I love how people like you love to throw Libertarians in the same lot as those in corporatism now who charge money for bottled water. In a way you are right. Libertarians are fine with charging for bottled water, as well as plain air. (If they could) That alone isn't bad, but... It's more of a distinction of social attitude, the line between anarchists and libertarians.... You don't have to look very far on this board to find instances of proposed human sacrifice in the name of market principles and social Darwinism. Libertarians are egoists, to a magnitude that is unhealthy.
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Good than it is price, you really wanna argue about semantics here?
The core point here is: Given sufficiently low costs for fundamental goods a gift economy is possible and can be more efficient than what we currently have.
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The last time something like this showed up it didn't end to well for those who used the service.
That can be said for a good handful of bitcoin services..... So true.
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You guys are arguing in circles.
Is air scarce? There is only a limited amount of it but still there is enough air available for everybody.
Air is not only abundant, it is everywhere people need it. Except underwater. And in tires. And hey! They charge for filling up scuba tanks and tires, don't they? And using the Economics definition, yes, air is scarce. The same air which I am currently breathing cannot at the same time be used by you. Should we attempt to do so, we would both die. That's not just air you are talking about. It's compressed air which underlies fundamentally different economic principles. I was just talking about air. Oh and it is possible to live in a society where certain things are without cost. (No I am not talking about an unlimited supply you nit-picker). It's just that you couldn't stand to live in it with your current mindset, but that's ok. To translate it into your language: Charity on a individual basis.
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Oh right, my bad.
Keep in mind: You are arguing with libertarians who believe everything should be charged for. It's their religion, they think money to be the ultimate messiahs. Might as well argue with a cow about toilets.
LoL I am very close to libertarian ideas myself, you know. Actually, I usually agree with most of what Myrkul write iirc. But not on this, apparently. Then you are not a libertarian. The boundaries around this ideology are quite strict.
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The last time something like this showed up it didn't end to well for those who used the service.
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My mistake ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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You guys are arguing in circles.
Is air scarce? There is only a limited amount of it but still there is enough air available for everybody.
Yes, that's what I meant when I mentioned air. Honestly I don't know what this obsession about infinite amounts is about. Oh right, my bad. Keep in mind: You are arguing with libertarians who believe everything should be charged for. It's their religion, they think money to be the ultimate messiahs. Might as well argue with a cow about toilets.
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Less talk more action...
Why the fuck haven't we broken 10.9 already?
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You guys are arguing in circles.
Is air scarce? There is only a limited amount of it but still there is enough air available for everybody. That's the kind of non-scarcity this is about, not some principle based on extrapolated geometric population growth. (Which isn't happing any more)
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That's cool, another potential candidate for them to engage in revisionist editing if it blows up, be hit on the fingers by the community and back-peddle.
Didn't work out too well with issue #1 and Bitcoinica did it?
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One 'killer use' might be Greek and Argentinian citizens smuggling money out of the country after a currency devaluation. This requires them to buy bitcoins ...
You are clearly delusional. But keep up the good work! ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Oh I see, that is becoming more complicated than I thought ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
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What is the goal of releasing the PMs?
What a question! Yes I would like to know that too.
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