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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares 2.0 - Just the Facts Thread

on: August 27, 2015, 03:56:39 AM

Quote from: StanLarimer on August 27, 2015, 03:52:39 AM This thread has been created to try to provide a no-hype summary of critical information you might just want to know about. At launch, the big gold-rush excitement will be about signing up new users since those who do will receive up to 80% of the lifetime fees generated by every user they sign up. (So you can get a share of the blockchain's profits without owning any of the BitShares yourself.) Is this a decentralized coin or a ~~gym~~country club membership? Sounds like a top-down corporation to me. Feel free to delete my post which I assume you will. I can copy it to an unmoderated thread.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 03:53:55 AM

Got tired of the noise in the VanillaCoin IRC: Quote TPTB_need_war He is onlline now? So I want to hear his justifications for why attackers can't force his zerotime algorithm to inconclusive and thus to 1-confirmation? ThaHandyman lmao TPTB_need_war that was swaggish +etoque Well BCarp what i liked was looking at thier chart and seeing the trend line +etoque He don't spend alot of time on vnl and was pretty hesitant at the end lovepool TPTB_need_war you can PM John connor. He is "john-connor" / "john-connor-afk" ( when hes away from keyboard ) → Crueljz has joined ← vanillafan has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) BCarp what i saw was a clearly linear pattern moving the price upward, with a small break towards becoming exponential near the end of sept beginning of october.... I also love that he promoted waht I need, investors having cool heads so we can keep accumulating from the moners for a month or so nonproprietary I loved using coinigy until they started charging for it +etoque oh they charging → SovereignBits has joined +etoque I just create account lol BCarp: Yeah pretty much leftovers_ !vnl @VNLBOT VNL: 1 \| USD: 0.06458485 \| EUR: 0.05699413 \| GBP: 0.04168364 \| CAD: 0.08578554 \| AUD: 0.09053220 \| CNY: 0.41391978 \| BTC: 0.00028776 +etoque miss 10 cent ;( acoin ！vnl ← pinkice has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) acoin The price was cut nonproprietary wow, they are chargin 0.099 a month now... i thought i remember them having a period where pricing was a one time fee ← ShadowBits has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) BCarp if past experience has anything to say about it, price will stay somewhat stable though repressed until volume becomes about 2x what the daily miner sells are...(no idea what this actually is) then in fear of people losing interest the walls will fall and the bump will begin. → pinkice has joined ⓘ ChanServ set mode +v pinkice BCarp I think Im gonna paper wallet 5k or so and lock em away for 2 years. otherwise im gonna sell out at the wrong time lol Qzzn !c vnl @VNLBOT POLONIEX \| BTC-VNL \| LAST: 0.00028931 \| LASK: 0.00028931 \| HBID: 0.00028408 \| C: 0.37% \| VBTC: 19.708 \| QVNL: 69408.76 \| L24H: 0.00027401 \| H24H: 0.00030190 BITTREX \| BTC-VNL \| LAST: 0.00029145 \| LASK: 0.00030999 \| HBID: 0.00029145 \| C: 1.63% \| VBTC: 4.280 \| VVNL: 14495.83 \| L24H: 0.00027814 \| H24H: 0.00031000 → ShadowBits has joined WildBilla if anyone is interested, we discussed it earlier, but if anyone wants to generate a "VNL community" fund via FREE referral fees, I will compile all fees via this link https://www.coinbase.com/join/52b624a93ec584082e000082 if you are planning on buying btc for any reason (and not in Canada) the first $100 in btc buys gets $75 in referral bonus t o me... up from 25% pre-crash.. this is a limited offer, but I plan to not use it personally and compile it for whatever consensus suggestions/whatver people would want to use free btc for to benefit VNL WildBilla free money as coinbase probably panic bought the fall, just throwing it out there... its free btc.. might as well take it +pinkice .bal BCarp hey wildbilla do you sleep at all? everytime i come on your here :\ → bigdoge has joined +etoque haha WildBilla I dont sleep Bcarp I wait BCarp !bon WildBilla leftovers_ WildBilla: robot WildBilla I just smoked a lot BCarp !bong WildBilla * BayMax gives WildBilla the bong bigdoge vanilla bud leftovers_ Nilla buds BCarp tweeked my neck today, time to pull out the cannaboids WildBilla but honestly that referral bonus is a good idea IMO to get FREE BTC and I can put it wherever anyone wants.. hell, maybe rain fund. IDK but I am not selfish and love free shit +etoque WildBilla: ← SovereignBits has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) +etoque That's the spirit man ! WildBilla etoque you still buy btc ? +etoque Right now nan BCarp man I love you WildBilla.... what a guy WildBilla isnt $75 per first $100 a solid deal though? I was blown away bigdoge did i miss megastorm? WildBilla yes well, katrina if we get to 35K bigdoge el nino ← EmilioMann has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) → cryptocurrent_ has joined bigdoge got any 'nilla? BCarp cheap rain..... been suffering from a drought here lately, and i live beside a rainforest. If money comes in before price goes way down ill be buying me some rainfall → Guest84523 has joined ← Crueljz has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) bigdoge bcarp u live 'next to' rainforest! ← WildBilla has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) → WildBilla has joined BCarp well beside, in.... i guess its all about perspective Roepert .rain .1 @VNLBOT rain: Roepert rained .1 VNL on 18 account(s) (0.00555556 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips Qzzn thx bigdoge yes yes yes BCarp is anyone creating a marketpace? bigdoge bcarp i live next to marketplace +gaagaa !net @VNLBOT Network: 968.38 GH/s \| PoW: 39,908.03 \| PoS: 1.25 \| Blocks: 191,408 PooledTX: 0 \| Blocktime: 1440646475 (1m 50s) \| Type: proof-of-stake pool.vanillaco.in \| 864.77 MH/s \| 6 workers \| Last: 188,910 (2d 19h 59m 38s) vnl.suprnova.cc \| 285.11 GH/s \| 87 workers \| Last: 191,405 (4m 2s) vnl.idcray.com \| 806.80 GH/s \| 18 workers \| Last: 191,406 (3m 37s) pool.mn/vnl \| 381.8 MH/s \| 1 workers \| Last: 188,271 (3d 12h 59m 11s) WildBilla id sell/buy so much. I have some crazy shit lovepool with everyones vast supply of VNL, don't forget to pickup a VNL keychain or VNL coin! http://www.cryptomemorabilia.com/product-category/vnl/ BCarp I want to sell percebes for VNL maybe a testacle or two...... shit I drank to much wine tonight sorry about the rambling idiocy lovepool lol WildBilla I will get one soon lovepool can I get a coin for ever VNL? lovepool what do you mean by the last line you said? I'm confused ahha . WildBilla can I get a vnl coin for every vnl I have BCarp dont worry we will all buy keychains and minted coin when the price hits one VNL per coin → sonomoro has joined WildBilla so I can rain at titty bar BCarp lol WildBilla put some stripppers eyes out.. tell them dont worry, your rich bitch leftovers_ !rain .1 @VNLBOT rain: leftovers_ rained .1 VNL on 20 account(s) (0.00500000 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips BCarp ....... your fucked up Qzzn thx ThaHandyman ty leftovers WildBilla I am joking bro.. haha !rain .1 @VNLBOT rain: WildBilla rained .1 VNL on 20 account(s) (0.00500000 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips ThaHandyman lovepool is back ]o] WildBilla Night nillas! ThaHandyman \o\ Qzzn good night +UroCEO night ThaHandyman night my nilla +UroCEO !c vnl @VNLBOT POLONIEX \| BTC-VNL \| LAST: 0.00028751 \| LASK: 0.00028737 \| HBID: 0.00027799 \| C: -0.25% \| VBTC: 23.269 \| QVNL: 81908.68 \| L24H: 0.00027401 \| H24H: 0.00030190 BITTREX \| BTC-VNL \| LAST: 0.00029101 \| LASK: 0.00030995 \| HBID: 0.00029101 \| C: 1.48% \| VBTC: 4.338 \| VVNL: 14690.69 \| L24H: 0.00027814 \| H24H: 0.00031000 lovepool WildBilla LOL. I could get you one coin for everyone of your VNLs. having them for strippers would be fun! ahha night WildBilla gotta get my 2 hours of sleep in.. be back before china has lunch BCarp so where are we having the party when VNL hits $100 dollars per coin? WildBilla yep, thats my master plan love I WILL HOST EVERYONE I swear +UroCEO BCarp: lets try $1 first lol leftovers_ Later nilla BCarp lol ok how about a ski trip in chile when we go to $1 WildBilla I have noir in vegas and can get a massive suite.. we would have all the nillas there.. raining on my nillas VNL coins leftovers_ !rain .1 @VNLBOT rain: leftovers_ rained .1 VNL on 21 account(s) (0.00476190 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips +UroCEO hookers and blow WildBilla !rain .1 +UroCEO lol @VNLBOT rain: WildBilla rained .1 VNL on 21 account(s) (0.00476190 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips Qzzn thx WildBilla BUY THAT TINY SELL WALL and have a good night. later nilla s BCarp ok ok boring and all, but lets do vegas at $1 WildBilla I will 100% pay for Vegas at 1% since I can get a 10K/night suite for free (and im not rich I had one amazing trip and now am noir status... )luck later BCarp sweet ill give you 500 VNL for the party at $1 /vnl when we do WildBilla spread word on the coinbase referral.. I am serious I will protect it' ← WildBilla has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) BCarp honestly though Vegas is for wannabes....... though fun, real fun doesnt happen there im drunk I can say what I want ← Jimlite has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) → Jimlite has joined nonproprietary BCarp, I approve ⓘ ChanServ set mode +v Jimlite +Jimlite freenode sucks ← acoin has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) +Jimlite !net @VNLBOT Network: 1.56 TH/s \| PoW: 61,334.71 \| PoS: 1.72 \| Blocks: 191,418 PooledTX: 3 \| Blocktime: 1440647263 (2m 58s) \| Type: proof-of-stake pool.vanillaco.in \| 2.32 GH/s \| 6 workers \| Last: 188,910 (2d 20h 13m 55s) vnl.suprnova.cc \| 281.85 GH/s \| 91 workers \| Last: 191,405 (18m 18s) vnl.idcray.com \| 746.76 GH/s \| 19 workers \| Last: 191,417 (3m 32s) pool.mn/vnl \| 167.0 MH/s \| 1 workers \| Last: 188,271 (3d 13h 13m 27s) imine.xyz \| 3.12 GH/s \| 1 workers \| Last: 189,958 (1d 15h 49m 14s) → Wildbilla has joined Wildbilla I'm back for second. Is btc falling again. +Jimlite !c btc @VNLBOT BTC-USD \| BITFINEX: 225.26 \| BITSTAMP: 224.64 \| BTC-E: 223.44 \| OKCOIN: 224.10 Wildbilla

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best altcoin to be able to handle lots of transactions?

on: August 27, 2015, 03:47:42 AM

Quote from: smooth on August 27, 2015, 03:43:22 AM Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 27, 2015, 03:34:16 AM By the end of 1983, I owned a Commodore 64 and wrote a basic word processor in 68000 assembly language No 6510 (essentially a 6502 plus some extra integrated functionality). 68000 assembly would be far less impressive as it was close to the pinnacle of user-friendly CISC microprocessor instruction sets. (After that ISA development went RISC or stalled.) Almost a high level language by comparison. Correct. Its been a while (22 years) The Atari ST was 68000.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best altcoin to be able to handle lots of transactions?

on: August 27, 2015, 03:34:16 AM

Quote from: okiefromokc on August 26, 2015, 01:58:55 PM Quote from: rnicoll on August 26, 2015, 09:20:01 AM Quote from: americanpegasus on August 26, 2015, 05:12:11 AM Actual wisdom on the nature of change and humanity doesn't go out of style! It also takes decades to earn. Who knew? The number of people around here who consider months of experience to be an expert is astonishing. Even more impressive is how no-one seems to learn. I see people talking about coin devs with 10-20 years experience as if that's meant to be incredible; no, it's about right, and describes (for example) the devs for Bit, Lite & Doge. Edit: 10-20 years development experience. Obviously having more than 2-3 years of coin development experience is really difficult, and more than 5 would likely mean you're Satoshi :-D Yeah, I have been coding since 1967, wrote some IBM assembler back then, then migrated to COBOL as it was easier to code in... My first paid job was programming via wiring pegboards in a bank. The Bank mainframe had 256kb of iron core memory, which filled a 20 x 30 sq ft room with a raise aluminum floor. Well you got me beat. I was born in 1965. My first programming was Apple II Basic in the summer after graduating high school in 1983. But I had read a book from Radio Shack on microprocessors in 1978 and had been doing machine code programming in my head since that time. By the end of 1983, I owned a Commodore 64 and wrote a basic word processor in 68000 assembly language. I turned the 40 column display into 80 column by creating a font that could fit two characters into each column. I was programming the display at the bit level. I was doing this in my dorm at college, because I had this talent where I didn't need to attend class. I could just show up for tests. For example, I finished #3 out of 3 sections (300+ students) in freshman Chemistry. By 1985, I had acquired an Atari ST and began programming WordUp in my spare time. I started with assembly language but switched to C by version 3.0 of the commercially successful product. Yeah I guess I have about 20+ years experience, if factoring in that some years after 2001 I wasn't working.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 03:19:51 AM

And so now you know why IRC is inappropriate. If the man (or woman?) is serious, he will come to a forum where we can all post during our waking time and have an ongoing conversation that isn't buried by the noise of 1 post per ~~second~~minute on IRC nonsense. Stop your FUD.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 03:14:48 AM

I'm on the VanillaCoin IRC now. Where is "john conner"?

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 03:09:18 AM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 26, 2015, 05:45:34 PM Quote from: Levole11 on August 26, 2015, 05:42:51 PM "...timeframe in which the double spend being way too small for anybody to achieve and the costs of it would be to high..." puts on smug hat exactly what I have been saying as we have the same thing in our ledger tech And that is not simply provable. Thus not good enough for me. I want something that can not be attacked because it is irrefutable as is the math in Satoshi's paper for the probabilities on confirmations given the Poisson distribution approximation assumption.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:58:28 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 27, 2015, 02:57:15 AM If people make serious accusations that the code has been copied in part from ~~VNL~~Bitcoin... I'll alert smooth so he can come here and battle you on that issue. He was the one who pushed that recently not me. Gregory Maxwell apparently first discovered it in January.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:54:09 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 27, 2015, 02:48:07 AM your tech ripped apart among claims of plagiarism in this situation....Dude you discovered your ideas after you read his white paper and code....what hope do you have? Haha, my tech is so far removed from his. You are digging your grave. Just keep posting. Again sorry you got holding a bag of worthless coins. Charge it to experience. If you don't blame yourself, you'll never learn to be more discerning and stop being a loser. Everyone makes mistakes. After you stop blowing smoke out of your ears, calm down and realize that attacking the best developers won't help you, rather you'll just waste your time and sustain your loser life.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:49:09 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 26, 2015, 03:00:53 PM Quote from: rnicoll on August 26, 2015, 03:00:23 PM I'm saying I'm too tired of debating this and the next step for having it reviewed is to put it out in something more widely read. 30 seconds with Google suggests something like http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?reload=true&punumber=71 but there may well be better suited journals. That said, fairly certain a major netsplit (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption) would render parts of the network unreachable from other parts, creating a fork there's no way of reconciling until the network is repaired. I didn't read it as he was claiming that's solved, but it's still a double-spend risk. I honestly think the Bitcoin casual community has plenty of experts... Yet you say all of them are FUD. And you say we have to leave here and go to IRC to get the anonymous, liar "john conner" on record here. Losers just have it in their genes I guess.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:42:28 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 27, 2015, 02:34:50 AM But it's you who have criticised VNL in a public place, it is you that has spread FUD, it's is you who should be the man to go directly to the one you have decided to criticise. JC doesn't care what you think... I'll be on you like a rash if you start advertising your tech, it's the least you deserve for your cowardice... Loser. You will be a loser your entire life. Disrespecting a top developer isn't smart. Have fun attacking it. You'll be resoundingly ignored. I tried to help you, but you are determined to be duped. Go ahead. You'll get exactly what you deserve.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:40:18 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 27, 2015, 01:54:18 AM This also explains why we can't steal coins, yet the algorithm remains unsuitable for a reliable 0-confirmation proposal. There is the proof right there that either "john conner" is a liar or he is not expert. Why would he tell you that stealing coins is the test of veracity when in fact it can not be the test. That is another incriminating evidence that he is duping the community. Add that to the lies about the source code. You have enough signals already. If you continue to be duped, that is your own problem.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:28:40 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 27, 2015, 02:26:01 AM Stop telling me I need to chase the anonymous "john conner" around to his preferred hiding places, after he has already lied to the entire community and he produced a white paper that afaics did not do what he claimed it would do. He can come here where we are. If not, then stop advertising here. Go advertise in IRC. Are you paying me to waste my time? I made a judgment that he is not worthy based on the above. It is up to him to repair his reputation here. He seems not to care. Come on man, stop acting like an imbecile. I think you are grown up already. My rate is $455k + stock options annually. Can you pay that? Do you realize you are talking to top developers! Be a bit more respectful of our time please. It is a finite resource.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:26:35 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 26, 2015, 02:54:46 PM I'm not an expert And Fuserleer and I are more expert than you. So why do you think we are acting irrationally? You think we would trash the perfected technological solution so we could go work on an inferior one. That would be illogical. We'd be wasting our effort and time. We looked at his white paper with great interest.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:20:08 AM

Quote from: solid12345 on August 27, 2015, 01:59:52 AM Quote from: monsterer on August 26, 2015, 08:08:05 PM B) double spend was already (and actually) solved by satoshi Except he didn't really as Bitcoin has had histories of double spends. How can it be solved if it's happened before? NOTHING IS SECURE. I repeat, NOTHING is secure. Actually it can be made provably and 100% secure. Again I don't want to advertise. Why do you think I am not interested in expending too much effort attacking a dubious claim when it can be solved with a stronger claim. As Fuserleer said, we just want to warn readers that VNL's claims are challenged by peers who have been working on solving these issues for the past 2 years. Who ever has the correct solution is going to end up generating a $billion+ market cap. All the developers will migrate to it. So we surely wouldn't trash that which is the perfected solution. None of us are that irrational.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:16:46 AM

Quote from: solid12345 on August 27, 2015, 02:07:41 AM Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 27, 2015, 02:05:10 AM As the link to the deleted post above apparently reveals, IRC is not a permanent record. We communicate here in the public view where (normally) information doesn't disappear and is also available for all Bitcoin interested folks to view now and as an archive. May I suggest irccloud.com, it keeps 3rd party logs quite nicely. Feel free to point me to a link of all his justifications against our claims of attacks. I will review if you do. I am not a dishonest person. If he teaches me something, I will admit it. I will not go searching for it, if you do not provide it. This forum is very convenient for me.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 02:05:10 AM

Quote from: solid12345 on August 27, 2015, 01:59:52 AM Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 27, 2015, 01:54:18 AM Why is he hiding? I do not think we have been unreasonable. Hopefully "john conner" can be more social. He is in the IRC seemingly everyday, how is he hiding? As the link to the deleted post upthread apparently reveals, IRC is not a permanent record. We communicate here in the public view where (normally) information doesn't disappear and is also available for all Bitcoin interested folks to view now and as an archive.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 01:54:18 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 27, 2015, 01:36:48 AM Quote from: Fuserleer on August 26, 2015, 08:38:25 PM Quote from: traumschiff on August 26, 2015, 08:28:55 PM Quote from: Fuserleer on August 26, 2015, 08:26:08 PM Quote from: monsterer on August 26, 2015, 08:22:58 PM Quote from: traumschiff on August 26, 2015, 08:17:46 PM I don't need to, because I knew it wasn't possible, and now other 3rd parties have stepped in and pretty much confirmed that there was miscommunication between what John said and what is being reported here. My intention was not to advertise, but to provide an example that mirrors what I know is possible. I made plenty of other statements without referencing mine or any other projects. The majority of people on this forum think they know more than they do, thats not a criticism of them personally, nor is it generally their fault, and its due to 3rd hand knowledge being presented and taken as fact even when the real facts are presented. If you would rather informed people such as myself and others not step in, and allow people that are duped into believe false statements, to dig themselves an early grave then..well... I guess eventually we'll get frustrated enough and all leave you to it. For some reason though, despite all the shit I receive, I still have a hard time turning my back on these poor people when most would have long ago! Dude that's so insulting to 95% of Bitcoin followers who love the abilities of Bitcoin but don't have the first clue how to code a coin like clearly you spend your entire time doing. Some of us do other specialised jobs which involve various skills many of which are not tech based. Half the world uses phones and computers but a tiny amount actually understand deeply the technology. We depend therefore on people to tell us what tech works great and what doesn't.....sadly the crypto community is so riddled with scammers or due to self interests (many have said like yourself) you can't get a straight opinion on anything. That's a problem and so as a user in the 95% group I want to ask questions and so far JC seems the credible one not his detractors. This thread is another good example.....what you should of said if neutral would be oh great the risk with zero confirmations is not an issue now, so solved instead you wanted to strain on a gnat for your own self interests. That's what I see as one of the poor people you hope to help... That was an excellent post by Fuserleer. And your reply was very revealing. Now I understand that you are not intentionally pumping a ~~scamcoin~~dubiouscoin. Instead you've been ~~fooled by~~following "john conner" (nobody knows who he is, rather everyone knows my real name is Shelby Moore, have seen photos of me, knows my former software businesses, etc). I will try to summarize to you why we think VNL's zerotime algorithm doesn't work. 1. We don't strongly think it will enable double spend attacks that don't already exist. It may eliminate the Finney attack, because the attacker would need to force the zerotime algorithm to become inconclusive (per the methods of attack we outlined in the other prior thread of discussion) thus waiting for 1-confirmation. Note a 1-confirmation double-spend attack would still be applicable but not a Finney attack. 2. The problem is the algorithm will essentially always be forced to 1-confirmation when ever it is successfully attacked. That is good, but that is not a 0-confirmation (a.k.a. zerotime) attack-free algorithm. 3. You may ask why would anyone bother to attack the algorithm and force it to 1-confirmation, if they can't gain a double spend? The reason is to disrupt its 0-confirmation claim. This also explains why we can't steal coins, yet the algorithm remains unsuitable for a reliable 0-confirmation proposal. 4. As for refuting the claims we made in a prior thread about the attack vectors that can force the algorithm to become inconclusive, "john conner" has not given us his justifications. The link to his justifications upthread links to a deleted post. I have never seen his reasons. He is the one hiding, not us. I apologize for not making clear sooner why we can't steal coins, but that doesn't matter. Our complaint remains valid. Now if you are asking me why we don't want to prove we can attack the testnet and force 1-confirmations, in my case it is because I have much more robust and perfected solution and I am too busy developing it to mess around with VNL (as well 6 days into a water only fasting to try to cure my Multiple Sclerosis). Sorry to advertise, but you asked. Also I will add that "john conner" may not be intentionally fooling you (but the lie about the source code is quite worrisome), and he may sincerely believe he has a solution in hand. If so, he should not fear peer review. Why is he hiding? I do not think we have been unreasonable. Hopefully "john conner" can be more social.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fundamental flaw in consensus algorithms?

on: August 27, 2015, 01:33:46 AM

Quote from: username18333 on August 27, 2015, 01:21:38 AM This user is currently ignored. Fuck he stalked me from the Economics forum to the Altcoin Discussion forum. The price of some fame. Do you understand why I won't release any thing with my "AnonyMint" name on it!

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?

on: August 27, 2015, 01:26:01 AM

Quote from: nextgencoin on August 27, 2015, 01:23:24 AM You should start stealing coins then cause it's so easy, wow wow. If we steal coins via double spending, then coins will be worthless because we will have proven the vulnerability and the last remaining bag holding fools will even be induced to sell. I am sorry you got caught holding the bag after "john conner" lied to you (also lied to everyone about his code being written from scratch when in fact he reused Bitcoin code and tried to obscure that he was doing so), but that is not our problem. Your incessant pumping of a shitcoin is not helping your reputation.

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