1) His name is probably Trendon Shavers, from McKinney TX.
2) He runs gpumax.com, which is registered under "Don Shrents". A little investigation would easily dig up how these people are related.
However, as long as he fails to inspire confidence that he's not just going to run away, we ought to keep whetting our knifes if only to make sure that pirate knows we're not playing around. There's plenty of useful information we could dig that would speed along the process of conviction should the stick become necessary.
1. Who has an BCST account and lives there ? bitlane? 2. Put up a wallet contolled by a "naysayer" who, even if difficult to find, sympathizes with bitlane  and has the communities future in mind ( BinaryMage ?). 3. They together finance some Humphrey Bogart to thouroughly investigate location and above mentioned identities around McKinney. 4. Report to in closed thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108657.0Cheers Zyk |
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early heroadopters.
I'm gonna go ahead and steal this phrase for any future appropriate conversations, in case you don't mind. I mind stealing but heroadopting it, thats fine with me but beware...using it might get you ignored....watch my counter Cheers Zyk |
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I certainly must not, but even if it does, you might have cause and effect reversed. It could be that the increase in price made pirate stop his business (if he was running through zeek, a sharp in crease in btc price would have been a problem since he would make his "profit" in dollar). It could be that people finding out about pirate's imminent default cause an increase, after all a ponzi meant people held 500K coins less than they thought. And most likely, as I said, it could be pirate no longer selling the bulk of his inflow and thus no longer artificially keeping btc price low. I see no shred of evidence that pirate was buying coins on a large scale. Was really happy that a fresh head gave signal to concentrate on the essentials ! --Find pirate and get his accounting-- full stop ! Funding has to be provided not to goats hands but to one of the "naysayers". Now you are diverting attention on shit.....fact is : when price rises from 4 to 15 $ and still rests at 11$, the loot is here and not in FIAT ! Would have still been easily found, when not enough time is already been wasted, to get the brotherhood to their senses. Sorry, if zykloogish again makes your brain - cells sweat. Cheers Zyk |
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let's discuss it more *after* pirate pays (if ever).
 You see the problem with this plan, I hope. It's concerning that paybtc isn't explicitly stating that any payment will go first to repay principal (total deposits - total withdrawals) first before any "interest" is paid. In this case, the "interest" was just the btc of the new depositors.
In the event that paybtc did a straight percentage based payout across all his accounts just based on the current balance he would be running his own ponzi scheme.
This too could be the motivation in not handing over the details. The only reason to hide the details of a sub account would be if that sub account had withdrawn more than it had deposited and therefore revealed the location where other peoples btc went.
actually, i have already stated that. sorry this thread is so disorganised. don't really have much time to write an essay in the OP. i originally wrote the order of the payouts: - those that requested withdrawals before BST closed. - principal balance up until bst closed, in order of user id (account age) - interest accrued after bst closed, in order of user id (account age) all that pretty much assumed full payout. if there's a partial payout, and funds are distributed via a %, then it doesn't matter if interest+principal is paid in one tx or two, it'll still add up to the same amount. As you, Sir chairman, still have not tidied up the OP and opened shop with a legal ToS, please donīt make any plans before asking your accountholders as any further losses to our claims, will need to be substracted from the 2 first admin/accounts of bitcoinmax. Thanks Zyk |
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Is any of you sheeples still interested in his monies ? Then please stop the earie silence and start a shitstorm as long as you can read in our OP : Bitcoinmax is open again for businessCheers Zyk If everybody just STFU, I will call it a day, doing the same and open my own thread |
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I invested in the savings book and I got out my 600 BTc within a reasonable time, not saying that this is legit or not, simply stating a fact //DeaDTerra If you donīt think it is legit, please keep it safe, as youīll recieve a chargeback, when found to be looted. Alright? Thanks Zyk |
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Seconded. I know it's asking a lot of you to not simply call it quits and move on, but will you be part of this? That's an understatement.  payb.tc withdraw: http://blockchain.info/address/19kEo3qmuUdAQb1Q7VZhRwahw5v3NSZCeW?filter=2payb.tc deposit: http://blockchain.info/address/1FmC6gUV1tkT7HHmQzo3NwtgZs3WGSz4Rd?filter=2Why would he try to shed light on this event, or change anything about the outcome? This is a feeder fund, with a real balance of >+3k when it started (he had already withdrawn more than deposited) and <-83k when it ended. It appears it got 7.7% interest, meaning he gained 0.8% weekly on a massively inflated paper balance. This guy probably holds profits, and the chaos of Bitcoinmax accounts hides the tracks for the last months. Oh yes, you guys are asking a lot. If I may take a guess, you're on your own. I see no way to obtain credible accounting unless you have it already. Heck, any of you, try to prove you're a Bitcoinmax customer and not a sock-puppet of payb.tc or who-knows-whom! How can anyone tell who is who and who should own what here, when there's no trustworthy party involved? Also, who is that payb.tc account even?Alright, Vandroiy, you are right sometimes and you will help making pirate to account properly from where some 5000 BTC came, will you?. Donīt offend our chairman even as the evidence of past performance is not the best.....but he has been trustworthy up to the time Zyk asked questions.....please let him go back there and i can STFU and you should STFU @Payb.tc open shop please Thanks Zyk |
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Seconded. I know it's asking a lot of you to not simply call it quits and move on, but will you be part of this? [07:03] <UncleScrooge> pirate, are you waiting for information for PPT still, or doesn't it matter anymore? [07:04] <@pirateat40> UncleScrooge, nope, those that didn't missed their chance and can battle it out on the high seas. I guess a battle plan is in order? Happy that even the ostrich is calling for action now ! You may start at post number 1907 : As bitcoinmax always stated, your coins are lost !, as Trendon Shavers shaves us all. In case the defaulted entity BCST is assuming its liabilities to bitcoinmax or pays out any amount to bitcoinmax, all principal investments are payed back evenly up to the amount deposited. The gained interest of all accounts is put in escrow until further notice. If bitcoinmax liabilities to you are not fully covered by this proceedure and in case BCST pays zilch, i payb.tc, will pact with bitlane to recover what is being able to recover new: the pact may involve Goat as well now from Trendon Shavers. But sorry to tell you but nor your efforts neither mine could change that, yet : update 2012-08-30: bitcoin max is now closed. Who doesnīt change that and why ? Happy to answer Zyk |
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1.5-3% per day isn't unusual for an online ponzi scheme (zeek managed to get to ~$600m and last over a year offering rates like that).
What interests me though is you saying he paid out more than he got in - what details do you have for that?
Block chain evidence, and no at times it seems he dipped into negative value however at the end it is clear he was up. Many people seemed to give him a lot of money once everyone started telling ponzi.
I agree we do not need to know what happened before we file a complain and we might not ever know. However collect evidence just seemed like the right first step. Part of this step is who is owed what and to see if the want to file a complaint as well. Sadly many large PPT operators at this time seem to not want to join us. Some slowly are talking with us however.
Thanks.
Also some smart people still think pirate had nothing to do with a ponzi. You really can at times make more than 1% a day just doing arb. Honestly pirate could have been something else.
Anyway we want to get evidence for the parts we are missing to get a better picture. Also it would help if pirate would just open up and talk.
Thanks.
The first thing we would like to do is find out exactly what pirate was doing.
Thats easy. He took your coins and ran. Whatever Pirate did with your coins, "invest", sell, gamble, coke or hookers doesnt matter one yota. Why dont you focus on verifying his ID and filing a formal complaint?There are powerful people on this forum, who nor want pirate@40 to be located, neither to see his uncooked accounting made public -- thats why---and thats why it takes 6 weeks for Goat to open this thread (going after Trendon Shavers) and now to put even that 3 steps back to the closed one (aggregating data) and IRC and thats why now, even as a Trendon Shavers will be identified, nor proper accounting, neither the operator of BCST will be found. It is good to hear that people are making "arrangments" to go after Pirate. But all in all. I'm not sure much will come from it.
By all means put Good money into chasing after bad money. Perhaps you might turn a profit in all of this. Well some PPTs obviously have (i think).
Bitcoin has moved into the strong hands. Get over it. Stop trusting scumbags on the internet to hold your damn bitcoins.
Read my posts in bitcoinmax before they are all becoming censored like in here and you can again see in the rear - view mirror : "Caution - Objects might be nearer than they appear" the first step should be to file a complaint imo. The sooner the better. Let them do their job.
We are doing this as a group and this is the way they wanted to do it. @Goat ...are you allowed to tell us who is ment by "we" and "they" ? Cheers Zyk |
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If people are blaming pirate for their "bank" shutting down why did they continue to pay interest after he defaulted ?
Why are they only closing now and stating their money was in pirate when they have still been paying interest out?
Im going to go out on a limb here and say they have been paying out of new deposits from people who withdrew from pirate to find "safer" funds.
Blaming pirate for your shutdown only makes sense if you shutdown when he did not weeks later. If people sent deposits after pirate defaulted the odds are that it was used to pay out old depositors the interest due at least untill it all collapsed with the latest liquidity crunch.
Yes of course all PPTīs can blame pirate, that their own ponziīs on top of his ponzi is now seen as what it was and what they are : SCAMīs !!! and the interest collected accountingwise after BCST default and the real interest looted before for the perpetrator and the oldest accounts, stems from ripping off the latecomers ! Stop obfuscating please and throw your efforts behind locating pirate and his accounting information..........! Beware - there are powerfull people in this forum, who have no interest in this ! Cheers Zyk |
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I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch. To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future. If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.) We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum). It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it ) If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced) Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time ) Have a nice day all Simon P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi Anonymous identity running a high yield investment program = scam. Sorry thats just the way it is. Hand over all your identifying info to the forum mods and we will leave you alone. I think this board needs a new rule that "investment programs" can only post here if they go through this process. After all its not a scam right and you have nothing to worry about ? Please make your "forum mods" showing their interest in preventing scams by locating pirate and cleaning up the PPTīs !!! As long as this process is energetically delayed and deliberatly hindered by said "mods", you please let indentification and location of chain - letter perpetrators in german hands, as we are not in Russia or Texas or needing to be bullied by your "mods". Thanks Zyk |
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He had a trust account so at least 5,000 BTC, probably a lot more - if it was his own money he's free to do with it as he pleases imo (which I know some others don't agree with), he is not free though to risk his own money in such an obviously high risk venture if that portion of it is being used to back guarantees & insurance given against funds loaned to him & he absolutely can not risk any of those said funds with BST, unless he had other liquid assets to pay back in case of a pirate default.
Trust account require WAY MORE than that to get the 7%. I'd say hashking have maybe 30k with pirate. Now, I am NOT saying that is all investors BTC, but nobody really knows except hashking. Haha. Is this a joke? People really gave pirate those kind of amounts? Without knowing who he is, where he lives, and watching his every move? Those kind of amounts have a way of landing people at the bottom of a river. Does anyone actually know who hashking is? The main reason I never invested with him is that it wasn't possible for me to pay him a visit in person should things go wrong. But yes, people put that kind of money with pirate, all the while throwing insults at people like me who pointed out that it was a fucking obvious scam. I'm beginning to think some of the people on this forum were dropped on their head at birth. Then you could even ask yourself, why none of the headdropped creatures even want to put up for locating pirate.... Question and questions and so many answers.....just put the pairs together......but youīll might still loose against a heroflush Cheers Zyk |
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If the source of the fog is already obscuring your views, may be changing it, wipes the tears off your eyes ZYK, you sir are suffering from a dreadful affliction known as  And he's talking all over the walls. The bamboozled dog seems a bit obstipated lately, pay your dept to hgmnicha !, or make sure not standing with your back to this wall, when not only my liquid feedback is sprayed on it Liquid feedback. I love it. [/quote] Oh Matthew, you phenomena, so plenty of liquid feedback is sprayed on countless walls, that I may reserve my tear when you want to feather your scalp the next time Cheers Zyk P.S, you got to be loved |
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No ! update 2012-08-30:bitcoin max is now closed. Coins are panic - hoarded just lift ignore button for a second Cheers Zyk |
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Even if all of that is completely true, and even if they do everything they promise, it's still an obvious scam.
Is this your academic definition of a scam ? If a = b and b = c then in no way c = a , cause Mr. Katz says so ? You should step out of your circle jerk, just for the honor of evidence! My cats always tell me that i shouldnīt buy them in a bag or if so , hitting them up iīll always meet the right one Cheers Zyk |
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especially donīt trust this forums members, if you canīt trust your own perception !
Cheers Zyk
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I'm happy to see that much interest on our project, even if the interest seems to have a negative touch. To clear it out at this point, we haven't scammed anyone in the past and we are not going to do this in the future. If you think/guess/assume that we're a big russian scam/ponzi/stock generation or whatever kind of bad buisness, I'm totally fine with that and I won't invest more time than I already did to convince anybody from the opposite/truth (and you should simply not invest any coins to our service.) We're still investigating on a way to prove the investments without revealing too much information (any suggestions, please pm or forum). It seems like the trend since pirate ran away is to be more careful with the investments, I like this trend, but i don't like to read 'scammer' or anything similar in this thread (but as long you feel you're telling the truth and got the urgent need to tell it to the world/forum, don't stop posting. i just don't like it ) If you feel like, report us to anybody you know as scam or whatever title/word you find for us, but please report your negative experience with our service here in the forum, or tell it to me via skype/pn, i'm sure i can clear things out for you (if you're not completely prejudiced) Of course if you feel like reporting a positive experience with our service you're also welcome to report it in the forum (you can also tell it to me via skype, i'll listen as soon i have time ) Have a nice day all Simon P.S.: Running buisness for over one year now, without ONE negative report so long. Just fyi You stopped trying, so now I stop trying: In Russia, Ponzi scams you!Hello  ? Here is Germany not Russia or Texas, put your money , where your mouth is please: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0Cheers Zyk |
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I don't think I would even NEED a lawyer, I mean, even if I agree with whatever they're asking for, I'm not worth anything. Can't get blood from a stone.
That might be true, but that probably won't be true forever. Yes, at the present time, there is absolutely nothing to gain from suing me or GLBSE. In the future that may change. Has Vandroiy emptied your escrow yet? |
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Haha. Is this a joke? People really gave pirate those kind of amounts? Without knowing who he is, where he lives, and watching his every move? Those kind of amounts have a way of landing people at the bottom of a river. Most of them were simply putting other people's money at risk. Nothing lost when the ponzi went bankrupt. I mean it wasn't their money. That applies to all passthrough operators, PPT bond issuers, and lying HYIP "guaranteed" deposit takers. Always going to be another sucker left holding the bag when it all goes tits up right? Do you have a say in the scammers - tag distribution/withholding process ? How is it judged and done ? Are there repercussions for false accusations? Is running ponzis defined as scamming yet? Thank you Zyk |
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