Oh. You should really read this thread where they discuss the details of how they figured out the Betsoft Jackpots are rigged. Thats where the data is posted. You are lying....I read that and it does not demonstrate that over 100 jackpots were won while nobody was playing. You are lying again. I am not lying. I haven't claimed it demonstrated that. Again, I am not lying. |
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Typo  What a crappy forgery. protip: when faking a chat log in an attempt to make someone look bad remember to always spell their name correctly Now you say this guy isn't lying?? Dooglus confirm that he photoshop his ss proof. C'mon guys wake up, twitchy is brain sick faggot. idiot^^^ |
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Oh. You should really read this thread where they discuss the details of how they figured out the Betsoft Jackpots are rigged. Thats where the data is posted. |
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the player has the option of choosing which jackpot to play which also eliminates the possibility that the other jackpot could be won. And, if one or the other jackpot is such that it has a higher expected return than the other, then that's the one that will be chosen. Once it's chosen, the other jackpot cannot be won.
CJmoles thinks the reason one jackpot is never won is because everyone chooses to play for the other jackpot instead. Anybody with half a mutant brain cell would choose the mode that had the highest jackpot....Especially those who are spending thousands of dollars in max bets to hit the jackpot. If you had a choice to spend 5 to win 10, or 5 to win 5000.....would you still choose to spend 5 to win 10?
people were playing in "Bad Girl" mode because the jackpots were higher.
Players had the choice to play in the mode which they thought would be most profitable to them and when they did that it excluded the possibility that the other event could occur He thinks everyone just picked whichever mode had the highest jackpot, resulting in the other mode never hitting. Cj, How do you explain the smaller jackpot (the one nobody is choosing) getting hit over 100 times while not a single person wins the big jackpot that everyone picks?   I don't pay any attention to TwitchySeal's proofs unless the sources are cited and referenced
Note: all the data I've provided says "Casinolistings.com" on it. |
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I have no idea what those graphs are, or where they came from because you do not cite a source; therefore, I cannot give you an opinion on the accuracy of the data. Oh. You should really read this thread where they discuss the details of how they figured out the Betsoft Jackpots are rigged. I assumed you had educated yourself on casinolistings.com Over a month ago I told you:If you want to understand the whole story, read this entire thread, all 3 pages, where a user brought the issue up, and how the owner went about investigating it :https://www.casinolistings.com/forum/gambling/online-casinos/28043/questioning-betsoft-jackpots
Also, before questioning the integrity of the investigation, take a look into the history of CasinoListings.com Your response made it seem like you probably didn't read it yet, so I asked again:  Then you didn't respond at all, so I reminded you again:You really should have done more research. Did you know that they track over 700 online progressive jackpots? https://www.casinolistings.com/jackpots/progressivesThat they have been in the business for 10+ years and seem to be pretty respected within the online casino industry? |
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Wtf? Please don't just ignore me and spam your game of the week (which is a Betsoft Jackpot Game) Question, the 7,000+ bitcoin worth of progressive jackpot...are they exclusive to Betchain? Or are they part of a network with other casinos?
If so, which ones?
Hi, The progressive jackpots are run by BetSoft and involve most online casinos which provide BetSoft games. So if a player hits the .5 denomination jackpot at greedygoblins while playing at Betchain, which casinos would have their .5 denom greedygoblin jackpot reset? Also, how much would the new jackpot be seeded with? Also, are the odds the same of hitting the jackpot across all denominations of the game? What are the odds of hitting the jackpot of on each game? |
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I noticed you have some huge progressive jackpots on some of your betsoft games like greedy goblins and especially glam life.
can the fun casino jackpots be won at any other casino?
when a jackpot is won how much is seeded back into the new jackpot?
are the odds to hit the jackpot the same at each denomination?
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Question, the 7,000+ bitcoin worth of progressive jackpot...are they exclusive to Betchain? Or are they part of a network with other casinos?
If so, which ones?
Hi, The progressive jackpots are run by BetSoft and involve most online casinos which provide BetSoft games. So if a player hits the .5 denomination jackpot at greedygoblins while playing at Betchain, which casinos would have their .5 denom greedygoblin jackpot reset? Also, how much would the new jackpot be seeded with? Also, are the odds the same of hitting the jackpot across all denominations of the game? What are the odds of hitting the jackpot of on each game? |
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so your telling OGnasty is lying about your extortion to him?  Yes. I am. And that's not the only thing OgNasty is lying about. It wouldn't be hard to prove me wrong If he were telling the truth either. and you are not lying then??
No. I'm not lying. |
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In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf.
Why are you still chomping at it if you got what you wanted? Ok, so Og wasn't quite as nice with you as you expected, I get that. But there is nothing to be gained anymore and he's very unlikely (to put it mildly) to become your best friend if you keep pestering him. Seriously kids these days... I thought I'm a no-life troll but y'all take it to a whole new level. Because he keeps blatantly lying about me and other people. How is that ok? |
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In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf.
Indeed. I also apologized for my comment that supposedly initiated this thread. Yet the attacks continue and Lutpin still won't lock the thread. Sort of makes you wonder who was the one being harassed huh? I guess we're just waiting for an administrator to confirm he's lying about leaving me negative trust first so he'll remove it and apologize. Are you talking about Lutpin as the same person as Games-Protect? Because that's the first person who gave you negative trust for sure. I think you lied about the whole extortion thing though. I think they left you negative feedback and then you harassed them with multiple threats. Are you assuming this is Lutpin talking right now? Or if not, the same person as Games-Protect? Do you really think it's impossible that I am an individual that has not contacted you in any way from any account other than my own? Because that's the truth. If you were or are being harassed, just post the harassment. You have my permission to post whatever you have from me. Insult me, tell people you think I should kill myself just quit making statements about me that are false and then trying to play the role of victim while you refuse to address these statements. Post evidence. |
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I also just received a pm from Games-Protect informing me I was mistaken in my timeline: Hi, August 4-5- User: Games-Protect tells OgNasty to return Betcoin their fee and remove his signature or else he will leave OgNasty neg feedback.
-> this is not true. - I gave OgNasty a negative feedback like I gave to all the other promoters - I did not contact OgNasty asking him for anything - After he realized that I gave him a negative feedback, he sent me pms and threaten me to remove it Your recap below is correct: - Games-Protect Leaves OgNasty negative feedback. At the time this was the only negative feedback to be found on OgNastys profile including sent/received and trusted/untrusted
- OgNasty sends the following messages to G-P:
I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.
... This makes OgNastys entire accusation of being "extorted" invalid. He received negative feedback from a user for his decision to promote a site. He retaliated with threats to Games-Protect and ultimately "painted his account red" and also mine with complete lies and zero evidence of any kind. In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. |
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I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise.
You are certainly embracing it:  Did Theymos have his freedom violated also? Hi Theymos, I'll make this short. Please do not allow Betcoin.ag to advertise on this forum. They have refused to respond to numerous scam accusations relying on their signature campaign members to build their reputation rather than earning it by behaving reputable. They are currently bidding on forum advertisements because their signature campaign members will be likely receiving negative trust at the end of the month. Please let me know if providing links, explanations or anything would make things more clear. Thanks, TwitchySeal Thanks for letting me know, I rejected his bid.
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I noticed OgNasty changed his signature to another gambling signature campaign? Anyone know why?
Recap:
July 29Hi Theymos, I'll make this short. Please do not allow Betcoin.ag to advertise on this forum. They have refused to respond to numerous scam accusations relying on their signature campaign members to build their reputation rather than earning it by behaving reputable. They are currently bidding on forum advertisements because their signature campaign members will be likely receiving negative trust at the end of the month. Please let me know if providing links, explanations or anything would make things more clear. Thanks, TwitchySeal Thanks for letting me know, I rejected his bid.
August 1- Betcoin welcomes OgNasty to their campaign and points out how trusted the latest member is before locking campaign thread and starting a new, self-moderated thread.
- I contact OgNasty and ask him to stop advertising for Betcoin: (Complete history of messages with screen shots in this post)
Hi, I'm disappointed to see you have decided to promote Betcoin.ag Are you aware of the scam accusations made against them that they have refused to address? I'm not affiliated with any site, just a professional online poker player with over 10 million hands played on various sites that believes Bitcoin has the potential to solve many of the problems my industry faces. If you are unfamiliar with the issues with Betcoin.ag, would you be willing to hear me out? I'm happy to explain any or all and provide evidence. TwitchySeal I've been contacted by several members today about their issues. There's really nothing I can do about it at this point. I took their money to advertise for the month. At the end of the month I can certainly try to find a replacement advertiser who has a better reputation, but not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.
If I were you, I wouldn't take it as a sign I am vouching for them. Take it for what it is, I am taking their money for a limited advertisement.
It doesn't matter how I take it, I already know about Betcoin.ag It's how people who don't know about Betcoin.ag take it that concerns me. You are one of the most trusted/respected members on this forum and every post you've made now includes a promotion for Betcoin claiming they are "the most trusted bitcoin and litecoin casino". The reason they are paying you so much is because of your reputation. Betcoin has many issues. The biggest issue, however, is how they handle all the smaller ones. They don't. They simply ignore players who have issues. For the last couple months literally the only place they would respond was in their signature campaign thread. They recently switched to a self moderated thread, their final post before locking the old one: Betcoin is trying to buy a reputation they don't deserve. Please give them their money back and stop allowing them to leach off your good reputation. You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.
I just want you to understand that your decision to promote Betcoin will have a very real effect on individuals and communities. If you're interested I'd be happy to elaborate on what kind of effects they will be and provide evidence to back it up.
If you're just interested in selling your signature and reputation to the highest bidder, I'm definitely wasting my time.
I've been extremely vocal that I think signature campaigns are evil. I've done everything I can to bring a stop to them. I've even made proposals to limit them to extremes. I also think that gambling is evil and do not support or condone it in any way, nor do I participate.
We are all adults here. Everyone knows it is a paid signature. Easy for you to say to give the money back, but unless you want to put your money where your mouth is, please spare me the lectures.
- After the last message, I did not respond or attempt to communicate with OgNasty in any way until August
8th. 7th.
August 4-5User: Games-Protect tells OgNasty to return Betcoin their fee and remove his signature or else he will leave OgNasty neg feedback. (see edit)
- Games-Protect Leaves OgNasty negative feedback. At the time this was the only negative feedback to be found on OgNastys profile including sent/received and trusted/untrusted
- OgNasty sends the following messages to G-P:
I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.
Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately. I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same. Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy.
Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising? Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided.[/color][/b][/size] What other account You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?
If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.
That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.
Games-Protect does not remove his OgNasty negative feedback and... - OgNasty leaves feedback for G-P
- OgNasty leaves feedback for Twitchyseal:
- Ognasty sends a message to Twitchyseal:
Remove it...
edit: Hi, August 4-5- User: Games-Protect tells OgNasty to return Betcoin their fee and remove his signature or else he will leave OgNasty neg feedback.
-> this is not true. - I gave OgNasty a negative feedback like I gave to all the other promoters - I did not contact OgNasty asking him for anything - After he realized that I gave him a negative feedback, he sent me pms and threaten me to remove it Your recap below is correct: - Games-Protect Leaves OgNasty negative feedback. At the time this was the only negative feedback to be found on OgNastys profile including sent/received and trusted/untrusted
- OgNasty sends the following messages to G-P:
I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.
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I noticed you have some huge progressive jackpots on some of your betsoft games like greedy goblins and especially glam life.
can the fun casino jackpots be won at any other casino?
when a jackpot is won how much is seeded back into the new jackpot?
are the odds to hit the jackpot the same at each denomination?
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Guys, no good with this spam here. Began playing at this casino about a month ago. I text them inbox if something `s wrong. Sometimes failures happen everywhere. My general overview: they do have entertaining content, i stay here to play their tournaments. They give good bonuses if you are involved here or text them inbox. Withdrawals history by the link https://i.imgur.com/F815aJd.jpgYes sometimes it takes 2 days to get it if it`s weekend time, but again it can be refunded with a bonus. How long do you think it would take if you withdrew your entire balance? Are you aware that most of their games are hacked/pirated versions? I`m confused, but i like their tournaments, recently i won 2 bitcoins in the tournament and some time ago 500 mbtc and 1 btc, if i`m not mistaken. I usually change the prizes from CP back to bitcoins and play. Withdraw bits, didn`t have any troubles with payouts yet, hope it will be so. Games, i prefer endorphina, i`m not rally good at all this stuff, but now i play endorphina, think everything`s fine with these games. the people that create the software are the ones that are tested for fairness and control the servers the gamed are hosted on so that casinos can not influence the games they offer in any way. this doesn't mean that all software providers should be trusted or that we should assume no casinos cab influence them. however,many of the games btc-casino offer have been stolen from the software providers and hacked so that they are compatible with btc-casinos platform. |
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@xiao, will you please read what I wrote.
they blamed ungod for the DDOS attack as well as me. I think this may be what the manager was referring too.
I haven't spoken to ungod since I quit using Skype but I would bet everything had on th e fact he has absolutely nothing to do with any DDOS attack against anyone.
read what I wrote above, you will see why you should not trust what betcoin management tells you. especially if it has anything to do with me.
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OgNasty,
I am not games direct, i have not contacted you with any alt account ever, I have not attempted to extort you and I have not intentionally misrepresented our communication in any way.
Its really fucked up the way you keep lying about me in this thread which leads others to assume what you say must already be proven to be true. You've been asked by others to provide evidence and you haven't and won't because there is none.
edit:
Also want to add:if anyone thinks I'm trying to be sneaky or dishonest about anything in any way,feel free to ask/accuse me directly by pm, or even better publicly. The more direct the better.
(I'm traveling, on my phone, abd not totally caught up with things btw)
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Guys, no good with this spam here. Began playing at this casino about a month ago. I text them inbox if something `s wrong. Sometimes failures happen everywhere. My general overview: they do have entertaining content, i stay here to play their tournaments. They give good bonuses if you are involved here or text them inbox. Withdrawals history by the link https://i.imgur.com/F815aJd.jpgYes sometimes it takes 2 days to get it if it`s weekend time, but again it can be refunded with a bonus. How long do you think it would take if you withdrew your entire balance? Are you aware that most of their games are hacked/pirated versions? |
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